[00:11] <Red-Raven> holstein, sry about that. dinner, chores, etc. :P i can be here for a while now. (i think). so what do i do now?
[00:51] <Unguided> hello all. quick question. I was given a p4 2.4ghz laptop with 512meg of ram and a 40hd with dvd rom drive. will this system run ubuntu 10.10
[00:51] <Red-Raven> it should.
[00:51] <Unguided> i thought so but wasnt sure. i love linux and ubuntu
[00:52] <MrChrisDruif> Unguided: If it doesn't you could also try Lubuntu :)
[00:53] <Unguided> lubuntu? whats the difference?
[00:53] <Red-Raven> i run a rig with 512 RAM, 40GB is plenty (each disto only takes like 3 GB or something like that i think) and  DVD rom drives work with ubuntu, and are great for making live CDs/DVDs. idk about the processor, but it should work.
[00:54] <Red-Raven> Lubuntu is an environment that stands for light ubuntu.
[00:54] <MrChrisDruif> Almost, Lubuntu uses LXDE...but the effect is the same
[00:54] <Unguided> ok. so it is not using gnome? if not what does it use?
[00:54] <MrChrisDruif> Unguided: ^
[00:55] <Red-Raven> its small than the typical ubuntu, and will run even faster on you 512 MB RAM. i have both ubuntu and Lubuntu on my 512 Mb rig.
[00:55] <Red-Raven> smaller*
[00:56] <Red-Raven> ubuntu runs fine, but Lubuntu is faster in my experience.
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: It should, LXDE is lighter then Gnome :)
[00:57] <Unguided> ok. got it. i found the lubuntu page. looking at it now. thanks.
[00:57] <Unguided> Holstein: you are right now i want my own system
[00:59] <MrChrisDruif> Unguided: If you've got any questions about Lubuntu, please come to #lubuntu :)
[01:00] <Red-Raven> have you installed ubuntu before Unguided?
[01:00] <Unguided> Cool. thanks a lot for your help. You guys are always awesome for newbies.
[01:00] <Unguided> nope. I believe I need thre partitions. one for the os (root) one for swap and one for home
[01:01] <Unguided> I have used wubi
[01:01] <Unguided> shoot. that laptop has windows xp on it right now. i could try wubi with it and that way i would know for sure
[01:01] <Red-Raven> Unguided, i canhelp you there. im sort of new too, but i've installed ubuntu twice as well as Lubuntu (that last one is easy)
[01:02] <Red-Raven> or virtual box :P
[01:02] <Unguided> true. i didnt think of vbox either
[01:02] <Red-Raven> i wuv Vbox.
[01:02] <MrChrisDruif> Unguided: I wouldn't suggest Wubi :)
[01:03] <Unguided> ok. i think vbox would probably be better to test with
[01:03] <Red-Raven> it is.
[01:04] <Unguided> ok. i will go that route. thanks again.
[01:04] <Red-Raven> how does wubi work? i've heard about it, but im only familiar with Live CD, and Live USB installs.
[01:05] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: As far as I'm concerned it doesn't work ;) Other then that I don't know :)
[01:05] <Red-Raven> ok then... Hey i might be disconnecting/reconnecting in a minute. im trying to connect to my SSH server.
[01:06] <MrChrisDruif> Good luck, I'll be off to bed :)
[01:06] <Red-Raven> alright. cya tommorow then :P
[01:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, prolly :)
[01:12] <Unguided> red-raven: it basically works in windows. it makes an entry into the boot settings allowing you to, in a sense, dual boot but it uses a file to boot from like vbox does. i think of it as vbox meets a partial dual boot system
[01:13] <Red-Raven> hm. interesting.
[01:14] <Red-Raven> anyone here know about ssh servers on ubuntu? i think im connected but im  not sure it gave me a command line into the server when i connected.
[01:14] <Unguided> the boot menu gives you the option to boot windows or ubuntu if you choose ubuntu it boots using the file if you choose windows it boots the windows partition.
[01:16] <Red-Raven> oh. so its like the GRUB menu then?
[01:17] <Unguided> similar yes. but when you uninstall it removes the entry from the boot menu and removes the file all at once. kind of a poor mans way to test/try out ubuntu/linux. i used it to test and become some what familiar with ubuuntu
[01:29] <Unguided> anyway off to eat talk to all of you later
[01:31] <Red-Raven> ok i've figured out now that i am connected to it. do i want to make it forward/tunnel my traffic or set it up to be an encrypted proxy? (im trying to bypass my school's web filter)
[02:03] <earthling^> How do I start ubuntu with metacity, but still have the option to switch?
[02:08] <Red-Raven> this is an archive, but it should still help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-121750.html
[02:10] <earthling^> I installed compiz fusion icon, which allows me to switch, but when I reboot it always starts with compiz
[02:11] <Red-Raven> log out. there should be a drop up (as opposed to down) box in the bar at the bottem. pick the manager you want, then log back in.
[02:11] <Red-Raven> oh sry i get it now. you may have to set it to default some how.
[02:13] <earthling^> I like that option of setting at login screen
[02:13] <earthling^> but yeah, am looking for default set
[02:14] <earthling^> do you use compiz?
[02:14] <Red-Raven> yah.
[02:17] <earthling^> its fun sometimes, but it uses alot of memory
[02:17] <earthling^> compared to metacity
[02:17] <Red-Raven> i think you can just pick one at login, and then that will stay you windows manager untill you change it again.
[02:18] <earthling^> I'll check that when I logout
[02:18] <Red-Raven> i have 2 GB RAM and don't (usually) run memory-heavy stuff, so i'm good there.
[02:19] <earthling^> do you use ubuntu or other varients?
[02:20] <earthling^> I'm always looking to speed things up
[02:20] <Red-Raven> i run ubuntu on this machine and Lubuntu and ubuntu on my desktop.
[02:21] <earthling^> ok, will try it now, thanks
[03:36] <earthling^> After installing compiz, its being used as the default window manager. I want to use metacity as default, but do not want to remove compiz. How can I set metacity as default?
[05:53] <jon8_> Does laptop battery management still work without Gnome running?? Is there a command line, command, that i can use to check battery usage?
[05:54] <bioterror> acpi?
[12:29] <Red-Raven> hey guys. anyone know how to tunnel trafic through ssh in ubuntu?
[12:38] <Red-Raven> anyone please?
[12:44] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: Sorry, I (still) haven't got any experience with SSH :)
[13:54] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[13:55] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Silver_Fox_ :)
[13:55] <Silver_Fox_> Hello MrChrisDruif
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> I'll be back in about an hour or two at most
[14:15] <M0hi> Hello Silver_Fox_
[14:15] <Silver_Fox_> Hello moh
[14:15] <Silver_Fox_> Hello M0hi
[14:15] <M0hi> Silver_Fox_, sowwi for that. mohi will do (=
[14:16] <M0hi> how are Silver_Fox_ ?
[14:23] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you M0hi . How are you ?
[14:23] <M0hi> I am doing good. ty and brb
[15:37] <aveilleux> nhandler: Ping
[17:51] <Red-Raven> hey. anyone got a good site to learn python that explains everything for beginners? like with examples and explanations of what arguments, strings, objects, etc. are? im trying to learn it but most tutorials throw around words and consepts like that and don't explain it.
[17:53] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: This might help a little http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Polymorphic_Data_Structures_in_C/Glossary
[17:54] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It's for C, but it has some of the terms you're looking for
[17:54] <holstein> i plan on using http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[17:54] <holstein> i found http://www.upriss.org.uk/python/PythonCourse.html googleing around
[18:33] <kaushal> hi
[18:33] <kaushal> please guide me about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/557773/
[18:34] <kaushal> Its oracle on Ubuntu Server
[18:41] <kaushal> anyone around here ?
[18:42] <bioterror> kaushal, oracle database is not a beginner related thing
[18:43] <bioterror> kaushal, Mon20:42 Freenode :: #oracle(74): Ask your question, stick around if someone doesn't respond right away. Use this channel for general Oracle/Sun questions, If
[18:43] <bioterror>                      busy here Use ##oracledb for Oracle DB related problems.
[18:45] <kaushal> bioterror: is there a Mailing list where i can seek help ?
[18:46] <bioterror> I dunno, go to #oracledb
[18:47] <holstein> or #ubuntu-server maybe
[18:48] <holstein> this channel tends to be more desktop users
[18:48] <bioterror> more beginners :D
[18:48] <holstein> yeah, that too ;)
[18:49] <holstein> kaushal: sometimes your loco team can be a great resource
[18:49] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[18:50] <kaushal> holstein: ok
[19:49] <ereotav> I cant get VirtualBox OSE to detect a usb anyhelp?
[19:51] <aveilleux> ereotav: That would be because VirtualBox OSE doesn't have USB support.
[19:52] <ereotav> Oh Thats would probally do it. So what version of Virtualbox does have usb support? And does it also have the shared folders ability
[19:53] <holstein> the proprietary one
[19:53] <aveilleux> ereotav: The OSE has shared folder support. The PUEL version ( http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads ) has USB device support.
[19:55] <ereotav> so essentially I need to pick whitch on i need correct? Either usb detecting on PUEL or shared on OSE. So neither have both?
[19:55] <aveilleux> ereotav: No. The PUEL has shared folders as well.
[19:55] <ereotav> oh ok
[19:55] <ereotav> THanks!
[19:55] <aveilleux> ereotav: The PUEL is basically the more "complete" version, but it's not fully open-source.
[19:56] <ereotav> Ok i understand now! It seems evertime im in here needing help u are too and always on point. Thanks a bunch!
[20:10] <ereotav> I am running 10.10 on a HP dv9000 but whenever i turn off the builtin keypad the keyboard stops working. I have tried to pick the closest keyboard layout (dv5) any fixes?
[21:08] <Red-Raven> hey guys.
[21:13] <Red-Raven> got another (hopefully) quick SSH question. can i connect to the server with the remote address even if the client is local to the server? or do you have to use the local IP (192.167.8.1XX)?
[21:16] <bioterror> what
[21:18] <MrChrisDruif> I think he means that both the client and the server are on the same network and I think the answer would be yes, the traffic will be routed through the router and even out....would be faster I think to use the local address ofc :)
[21:19] <Red-Raven> i have the client and server on the same network. do i have to connect the client with the local address (192.168.8.XXX) or can i use the remote address? the one that changes every time (unless its static)(XX.XXX.XXX.XX)
[21:19] <Red-Raven> yah i know. i want to make sure this one works though.
[21:19] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: You can always try ofc :)
[21:20] <Red-Raven> OFC=?
[21:21] <MrChrisDruif> But again, local address would be faster because it doesn't go out the network :)
[21:22] <Red-Raven> I know local is faster. i need to make sure remote address works. im asking are you supposed to be able to use the remote IP even if you are local? because as of now i always get a timed out error with the remote IP.
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know for sure :)
[21:24] <Red-Raven> ok. well the local address still works...
[21:25] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes, if the port forwarding is set up properly.
[21:26] <Red-Raven> hm. weird. i know the port is set correctly. ive triple checked it.
[21:27] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You sure you're using the correct remot IP?
[21:27] <aveilleux> remote*
[21:27] <Red-Raven> yah. i used a website called IP chicken on the server.
[21:28] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Assuming you're on the same router, your remote IP and the server's remote IP is the same thing. Use http://whatismyip.com/
[21:28] <Red-Raven> IK.
[21:30] <Red-Raven> the cammand is "ssh <user name on server>@<remote IP>" right?
[21:31] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: you need the -p option if you're using an IP that's not 22
[21:31] <aveilleux> er
[21:31] <aveilleux> port
[21:31] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Did you change the SSH port?
[21:31] <Red-Raven> no. the port is 22/
[21:32] <Red-Raven> .*
[21:32] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You opened port 22 to the world? D:
[21:32] <st33med> Lemme rape that port for ya
[21:32] <aveilleux> !language | st33med
[21:32] <ubot2> st33med: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[21:32] <st33med> :p
[21:32] <st33med> Oh sorry
[21:32] <st33med> I'm forgetful
[21:33] <Red-Raven> ok. but if i changed it then wouldn't i have to go messing around with IPtables?
[21:34] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: No
[21:35] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: I change the SSH on all my servers. It's the first thing I do and it's a very simple way to protect yourself from non-determined crackers
[21:35] <Red-Raven> just change the config file, change the port in the router, and restart SSH?
[21:37] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: yes
[21:38] <Red-Raven> cool thx! unfortunately that still leads the problem of the remote IP.
[21:42] <Red-Raven> ok the port is changed. so the new command is "SSH -p <port> <user>@<remoteIP>"?
[21:42] <Red-Raven> or "SSH -p <port> <user>@<localIP>"?
[21:42] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: yes but in lowercase, not caps.
[21:43] <Red-Raven> ok thx. local worked. now i'll try remote.
[21:45] <Red-Raven> it didn't work.
[22:01] <Red-Raven> brb.
[22:02] <nhandler> aveilleux: Pong
[22:08] <Red-Raven> hey. can you help me with the remote IP? its still giving me that connection timed out error.
[22:21] <Red-Raven> hey nit-wit. have you ever used SSH?
[22:24] <Red-Raven> or anyone for that matter. i'm still getting a connection time out error whenever i connect via remote IP.
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: ssh -p <port> <user>@<remoteIP> doesn't work?
[22:24] <Red-Raven> nope. ^
[22:24] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, no not really
[22:25] <Red-Raven> oh ok. im setting one up to use as a proxy in school. mainly for fun.
[22:25] <Red-Raven> occasionally for youtube. but mainly for fun.
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: You've followed all the steps from here > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH ?
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: There is an alternative to OpenSSH, which isn't very Linux ofc....TeamViewer...
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> You can use that till you've got SSH set up properly...
[22:28] <Red-Raven> i dont need it that bad. OFC=?
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> Of course
[22:29] <Red-Raven> oh ok. wiki sort of was a dead end on that/
[22:29] <Red-Raven> .*
[22:42] <Red-Raven> MrChrisDruif, ive done all that. but do i need to run one of the commands from this page of that article? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> Afaik/scimmed the page: no it doesn't...but I've heard others on this very channel saying if you did your port-forwarding good it should work :-/
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux said it :)
[22:47] <Red-Raven> i just checked. its good.
[22:56] <Red-Raven> ugh. its ssh -p ## username@remote IP     and the #s are the port right?
[22:57] <Red-Raven> is there something i have to do to allow remote connections? like change a config file or security setting or something in IPtables?
[23:00] <Red-Raven> i think i found it! in the ruter settings, "block anonamous internet traffic" is checked. the description is: By enabling the Block WAN Request feature, you can prevent your network from being "pinged," or detected, by other Internet users. The Block WAN Request feature also reinforces your network security by hiding your network ports. Both functions of the Block WAN Request feature make it more difficult for outside use
[23:00] <Red-Raven> rs to work their way into your network.
[23:01] <Red-Raven> (sry for so many posts)
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> It's alright :)
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> As long as we can learn from it :)
[23:04] <Red-Raven> so do you think that could be it? i can still ping it even though its checked for some reason/
[23:04] <Red-Raven> .*
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe you can change the timeout time somewhere?
[23:05] <Red-Raven> on the server, client, or router?
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> Client or server, I don't know which sets the timeout...I would think client..
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> When pinging the server, you get back what the ping is...
[23:08] <Red-Raven> i was pinging the router.
[23:08] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but I mean you get back how long it took :)
[23:09] <Red-Raven> max while pinging the server was 12 ms, and that was only the first one. the rest were all like 2 ms.
[23:11] <MrChrisDruif> That should be within the timeout threshold...
[23:12] <Red-Raven> think it could be that firewall setting i posted?
[23:14] <MrChrisDruif> Well, could be...I haven't seen it, but if I would be checking down: localIP works, so it must be some setting in the router or firewall...
[23:15] <Red-Raven> LOL:  ConnectTimeout 0  found that nice little line in my ssh config file on the client. weird thing is, it displays the error after about 15 seconds, not 0.
[23:15] <Red-Raven> i also found a port 22 line in the same file. should i make it to my custom port as well?
[23:16] <MrChrisDruif> I believe so....not sure...
[23:16] <Red-Raven> both?
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> The timeout you could try on say 5 or 15 secs and the port change to your port....but I'm not sure, never done SSH myself :)
[23:19] <Red-Raven> oh ok. ill give it a shot.
[23:41] <ereotav> I am running 10.10 on a hp dv9000. When i shut off the builtin keypad the keyboard stops working. Any idea how to fix this?
[23:42] <Red-Raven> by key pad you mean the number pad off on one side?
[23:42] <ereotav> oh i mean the trackpad
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[23:43] <Red-Raven> oh. thats weird.
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> That's weird indeed....
[23:44] <ereotav> i went to keyboard layout and the closest thing is the hp dv5
[23:45] <Red-Raven> why do you want to shut off the trackpad? you don't need to to use an external mouse.
[23:46] <ereotav> I like to use a external mouse. Also when typing  I hit the trackpad. Plus it bothers me
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: It's a function some people like :)
[23:47] <Red-Raven> i get it.
[23:47] <Red-Raven> im a lot more OCD about other things.
[23:47] <ereotav> yup haha