[09:50] <TonyBurn> good morning
[12:59] <TonyBurn> good afternoon
[14:50] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[15:01] <TonyBurn> lo
[15:02] <brobostigon> afternoonings TonyBurn
[15:03] <TonyBurn> whats happening?
[15:03] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: umm, not much, tobe honest.
[15:04] <TonyBurn> fair enough
[15:06] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: only was, i got rid of the native gmail app inandroid 2.3, and replaced it with k9.
[15:06] <brobostigon> (ilike that name, k9)
[15:10] <TonyBurn> the film was a bit crap i believe
[15:10] <TonyBurn> what android phone you got?
[15:10] <TonyBurn> i had a play on angrybirds on my mrs htc desire last night, it was quite good
[15:11] <TonyBurn> i thought it would be terrible compared to iphone version
[15:11] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: htc dream.
[15:15] <TonyBurn> think that is a little earlier then desire isn't it?
[15:15] <TonyBurn> i'd like a play with the galaxy s tbh
[15:16] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: the htc dream, was the very first android dev phone.
[15:27] <TonyBurn> looking forward to honeycomb
[15:27] <TonyBurn> it might inspire to find a reason to own a tablet
[15:27] <brobostigon> it will be interesting, to see the gui.
[17:16] <markjones> hiya brobostigon, ianto and TonyBurn
[17:16] <ianto> Hi
[17:16] <brobostigon> afternoonings markjones and ianto
[17:17] <markjones> i've still got to Work on the presentation
[17:22] <brobostigon> markjones: i have got a feeling i am going to have strees over here tonight, so i maynot beable to help much.
[17:22] <markjones> that's fine brobostigon
[17:23] <brobostigon> sorry,
[17:23] <markjones> don't be, I get stressed too :)
[17:24] <brobostigon> :)
[17:45] <ianto> markjones: I recommend that you sign up to "watch" the 2011 page on the Wiki
[17:46] <ianto> Imma go sleep for now, brb later
[19:15] <TonyBurn> sleep?!?
[19:16] <markjones> he's a student
[19:16] <TonyBurn> ahh, i remember those days
[19:19] <TonyBurn> i bought my work laptop home with me cos i was finshing something and i'm still using it for some reason, hateful thing, i cant go back to using anything after my mac
[19:19] <TonyBurn> standard trackpads are utter, utter gash
[19:20] <brobostigon> multi-finger scrolling i do like,on some trackpads.
[19:20] <brobostigon> and debian lets me do that, onmy eeepc.
[19:21] <TonyBurn> i liked multitouch soo much i even bought a magic trackpad
[19:22] <TonyBurn> i think thats what they were called?
[19:22] <brobostigon> :)
[19:22] <TonyBurn> the external apple trackpad thing
[19:22] <brobostigon> i think the one in my eeepc is a synaptics.
[19:22] <TonyBurn> criminal price @ 60 quid but meh
[19:22] <brobostigon> ouch
[19:22] <TonyBurn> typical apple markup
[19:23] <brobostigon> agreed.
[19:23] <markjones> yup, I could be working for Apple
[19:23] <TonyBurn> yea?
[19:24] <markjones> got to find the nerve to write a covering letter
[19:24] <TonyBurn> XD
[19:24] <brobostigon> iwould want to do some dev on darwin, otherwise i wouldnt be interested,
[19:24] <TonyBurn> so still at application stage?
[19:24] <markjones> yup
[19:25] <TonyBurn> i aplied for a job at ebay today
[19:25] <TonyBurn> 1 at google last week
[19:25] <TonyBurn> and got an interview in the bag for nokia
[19:25] <brobostigon> :(
[19:25] <TonyBurn> loathe jobhunting
[19:25] <brobostigon> last i applied for was at sirius
[19:26] <TonyBurn> the jobs i'm applying for are all based in germany since i'm intending to move there
[19:26] <TonyBurn> asap
[19:27] <brobostigon> ah.
[19:27] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: i spent most of my teenage years ingermany, while my dad was working in germany.
[19:27] <TonyBurn> cool, my mrs is german and wants to move back to germant to be closer with her family
[19:28] <brobostigon> :)
[19:28] <brobostigon> good luck.
[19:28] <TonyBurn> i've grown to despise my job and would like a bit more of a career path
[19:28] <TonyBurn> ta
[19:28] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: you could apply to suse aswell,
[19:29] <TonyBurn> yea, might check their site, always wanted to be spat out by attachmate XD
[19:31] <TonyBurn> suse have 2 jobs in all of their germany offices :/
[19:31] <brobostigon> hmm.
[19:33] <TonyBurn> oh, found another 2 if i go back to 3 months of openings
[19:37] <TonyBurn> Software Engineer - Architecture Maintenance
[19:37] <TonyBurn> i could even do that one
[19:38] <TonyBurn> name is a bit misleading, desciption is full on datacentre operations tbh
[20:03] <TonyBurn> so brobostigon, are you proficient in C?
[20:04] <brobostigon> c++, just been relearning it.
[20:04] <TonyBurn> similar boat to me maybe then?
[20:04] <TonyBurn> spent most my time doing java/c#
[20:04] <TonyBurn> now i want to go back to C and C++
[20:05] <brobostigon> i would rather spend my time doing systems design and manegement.
[20:05] <TonyBurn> looking for a project to contribute to and really struggling tbh
[20:06] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: haiku-os.org :), something i have beentesting for a while, a floss version of aclosed systemcalled beos i used to use inthe 90's.
[20:09] <TonyBurn> was thinking about something a little less obscure XD
[20:09] <TonyBurn> no offence
[20:09] <TonyBurn> whats the main appllication of haiku?
[20:09] <TonyBurn> lightweight computing?
[20:10] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: as a desktop OS.
[20:10] <brobostigon> and with proper smpsupport, and real multi-tasking and multi-threading.
[20:18] <TonyBurn> looking at the homepage now..
[20:19] <brobostigon> its really interesting, and is looking so good. and developement is moving so quickly.
[20:23] <TonyBurn> http://www.haiku-os.org/development/learning_to_program_with_haiku
[20:23] <TonyBurn> nicely written guide there
[20:24] <brobostigon> very. some very clever people work on the haiku project,
[20:26] <TonyBurn> i'm interested, just like something a little more linux oriented though
[20:27] <TonyBurn> i'll use the guides though ta :)
[20:27] <TonyBurn> and deffo run it on a vm out of curiosty
[20:27] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: maybe contribute to parts of ubuntu or debian.
[20:27] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: runs best in qemu in my experience.
[20:28] <TonyBurn> yea, was looking at enlightenment the other day as i used to follow that but the project doesn't seem to be going anywhere imo
[20:29] <brobostigon> iwould agree.
[20:31] <TonyBurn> meego is worth a look
[20:32] <TonyBurn> either that or do some gui concepts for ubuntu
[20:32] <TonyBurn> had a killer idea the other night
[20:32] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: gnome-shell/gnome3 ?
[20:32] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: whatwa sit?
[20:33] <TonyBurn> in my mission to rid any wasted vertical pixels on open windows
[20:33] <brobostigon> yes ?
[20:34] <TonyBurn> sort the max/min/close buttons out either integrated into the app window (diffuclt/not possible), or make them mega small only a few px high and then zoom bigger with the mouse hovered over them
[20:34] <TonyBurn> in the same way a dock zooms icons when hovered
[20:35] <brobostigon> interesting.
[20:35] <TonyBurn> wasted vertical pixels are a pet hate of mine
[20:35] <TonyBurn> and window borders
[20:36] <TonyBurn> the other idea i had was for layering windows on the desktop in the same way as you could text/graphics on a desktop publishing package
[20:36] <TonyBurn> ie bring forward, bring to front etc
[20:36] <brobostigon> interesting also.
[20:36] <TonyBurn> the 'always on top' option is still available and faar too dated
[20:37] <TonyBurn> ie, i use iplayer, i might want to see it in the popout window
[20:37] <TonyBurn> i'd want this to hover above a console or something, but dont want all browser windows always on top
[20:38] <TonyBurn> there'd have to be a better way of layering the windows than a DTP package offers though
[20:39] <TonyBurn> and a tiling wm isn't the answer for me as i dont have enough desktop space on a laptop to have every window allocated its exclusive space
[20:45] <TonyBurn> haiku installing..
[20:47] <brobostigon> how are you installing?
[20:50] <TonyBurn> into virtualbox
[20:50] <brobostigon> you just need to run the vm image, no need to do any installing.
[20:51] <TonyBurn> oh i thought i'd download the iso, assuming the image has virtual driver compiled?
[20:52] <brobostigon> i dont know anything about virtualbox, so no idea.
[22:14] <markjones> ohai ianto
[23:31] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:56] <ianto> Finally removed the xmas bit? ;)
[23:57] <markjones> yup
[23:59] <markjones> heh
[23:59] <markjones> reet boyo
[23:59] <markjones> i needs a llun for "who we are" slide
[23:59] <ianto> Should we register #haciaith and put some information on the wiki?
[23:59] <markjones> yeah