[00:00] RAOF, well maybe, but I think we'd also need the trigger fired from the kernel like Intel does [00:00] Yeah. [00:00] certainly it gets us closer [00:00] That bit probably wouldn't be *terribly* hard; nouveau will normally spit some errors already when that happens. [00:01] at the least now we seem to have toolage for doing manual debugging, which is solid step forward if true [00:18] micahg, bratsche: You've added interfaces to gtk# in that branch; you therefore need to bump the clilibs version. The simplest way to do this would be to change API_VERSION up the top of debian/rules. [00:18] bratsche: as long as you're making changes, make sure to change the version to 1ubuntu1 instead of 1build2 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:36] micahg: any chance you could switch daily mozilla builds to the new p.. pri.. par... argh.. need more sleep.. recipes :) [05:37] micahg: *you* being the ubuntu mozilla team, not you in particular. [05:53] Does laptop battery management still work without Gnome running?? Is there a command line, command, that i can use to check battery usage? [05:54] see what you have in /proc/acpi/battery/ [05:55] i have BAT0 [05:55] [ ken: /proc/acpi/battery ]$ ls [05:55] BAT0 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:56] is the file, /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state, accurate and current information? [05:56] you should have two files in the BAT0 folder, info and state (plus alarm). You can get most info out of those files [05:56] yeah.. i just did 'cat' on all of them.. [05:57] what about powermanagement things, will those still operate correctly? [05:57] i set it within GNOME when plugged into AC power not to hibernate or goto sleep or anything.. [05:57] By and large, yes. [05:57] http://pastebin.com/zZRuvFFA === pitti is now known as pitti_ [05:58] none of those files say that its detected as being plugged into AC power .. and not actually using the battery. [05:58] doesn't gnome-power-manager coordinate actually doing things anyway? (i.e. hibernating based on timeout, sleeping when you close the lid, etc) [05:58] Where in GNOME there was an indicator [05:58] Good morning [05:58] jon8_: the upower command may be an easier interface to that stuff [05:59] hmm [05:59] never used that before [05:59] * jon8_ googles [05:59] pitti_: Good morning. [06:00] yeah.. see [06:00] sigh [06:00] hey RAOF, how are you? [06:00] my screen just went dark [06:00] jon8_: If you don't have gnome-power-manager running then there's nothing that'll make the system suspend, hibernate, etc. Oh, except for the VT blanker. [06:00] jon8_: "charging state: charged" means that the battery is charged (as opposed to charging, or discharging) [06:00] kklimonda ah, ok [06:01] pitti_: Pretty much recovered from Dallas :) Last week was an exercise in progressive increases in the proportion of the work day not spent being sleepy :) [06:01] [ ken: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 ]$ ps aux|grep gnome-power-manager [06:01] ken 2137 0.0 0.0 11332 880 pts/1 S+ 01:00 0:00 grep --color=auto gnome-power-manager [06:01] so this means no power management is being ran.. [06:01] morning pitti [06:01] whether it be sleep, hibernate .. or not to do either of those two [06:01] RAOF: weekends help hopefully? [06:01] hey kklimonda [06:01] pitti_: Yes they do! [06:02] sorry for the rather noobish questions guys.. i've got some things running on my laptop that i dont need gnome running for [06:02] jon8_: Right. You won't get any of the “suspend after X” type of power management things. You'll still get cpufrequency and such hardware things. [06:02] and i just want to make sure that everything is going to stay on/awake/etc [06:03] It will. It won't even sleep when you close the lid :) [06:03] well, can you explain to me then, why just sitting at the terminal login prompt, with the lid open.. my screen went black after say, 5 or 10 minutes.. [06:03] nothing stopped running.. I have an ssh connection open from my desktop to my laptop using openssh-server and that stayed active [06:04] there are no factory settings in bios that would do this, i've double checked. [06:04] kklimonda thank you for that 'charged' 'charging' and 'discharging' tid bit btw. ;) [06:05] jon8_: that's the VT blanker. Pressing any key will re-light it. I've never cared enough to hunt down whethere or not it's controllable. [06:05] RAOF ah ok.. i was wondenig what you meant by that VT blanker earlier. :) [06:05] i'm really loving this ubuntu community. you guys no matter what the question you guys are always super helpful! [06:07] RAOF, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1600699 :) [06:09] RAOF and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=778296 [06:10] morning pitti [06:10] ups [06:16] seiflotfy_: good morning! [06:16] seiflotfy_: libzeitgeist and zeitgeist-extensions currently want to go to universe; is that intended? [06:17] (I thought unity etc. would use it) [06:24] kklimonda: no, there's currently an hg bug [06:24] err, bzr-hg bgu [06:25] damn :/ [06:25] argh! I accidentally pressed ctrl-e in ffox, that "grouped my tabs" and messed up everything [06:27] pitti_: that'll change to SHIFT+CTRL+E in beta 10 [06:28] ah, I think I finally found out how to restore things again [06:29] hey micahg, had a nice weekend? [06:29] oh no, now if I press ctrl+t for a new tab, it lands in a new window [06:29] pitti_: yeah, still a little behind as usual :) [06:29] pitti_: it sounds like a bug I hit yesterday [06:29] pitti_: how was your weekend? [06:29] it has to be a bug, because this behaviour makes absolutely no sense ;) [06:30] (restarting Fx "fixed" that for me) [06:31] micahg: pretty nice, went from the Prague hackfest to Munich, and we spent some time outside [06:31] kklimonda: phew, yes [06:31] pitti_: I've been hibernating in Chicago with it being 20F or less outside [06:32] Hey folks. [06:32] hey TheMuso [06:33] o/ [06:33] * TheMuso notes it got to 32 degrees C here today. [06:33] With more to come this week. [06:33] Come down to Hobart. It's a very reasonable mid-20s kinda place ☺ [06:34] psh. it was a gorgeous 70 degrees F here today, and it's still supposed to be winter for me :-P [06:35] * micahg thinks broder needs to visit Chicago for some real winter [06:35] feh - /me shivers and cranks up the heating a notch [06:35] * kklimonda mutters about snow being everywhere.. [06:35] micahg: i just moved out of boston. i've done my time [06:36] broder: fair enough [06:36] RAOF: Yeah I'll bet, thats what I call nice summer weather. Even 30 degrees would be ok here without the humidity. [06:47] i wonder if someone can help me deduce why the PPA server is rejecting my uploads? [06:48] the only thing error-looking in the rejection email is the following: [06:48] Rejected: [06:48] Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error. [06:48] desrt: Can you pastebin the whole email? I vaguely remember getting something similar in the past, and maybe the full context will shake something loose. [06:49] sure [06:49] http://fpaste.org/6xdR/ [06:50] maybe it doesn't like that i'm trying to upload version '0' of something :p [06:50] desrt: that sounds like a possibility [06:50] could also be that the PPA service doesn't know how to deal with native releases out of git [06:50] desrt: Oh, you can't upload binaries to the PPA. Or anywhere on launchpad. [06:51] ah, that would probably be it :) [06:51] ah. i thought i was doing a source upload [06:51] * desrt tries again... [06:51] debuild -S is your friend :) [06:52] ah ya. the amd64 thing might have tipped me off :) [06:52] thanks for the obvious. it's 2am her e:) [06:56] sigh. rejected again. [06:57] * desrt will try to figure it out later... [06:57] nite everyone [07:15] by the way, for anyone that was involved in the multimonitor discussion at UDS, i'd appreciate feedback on how well http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnomecc-list/2011-January/msg00007.html addresses the concerns people had === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:14] good morning [08:16] bonjour didrocks [08:17] hey pitti_, how was you week-end? === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [08:22] didrocks: quite nice indeed, a much-needed relaxation after not having had "real" weekends for the past three weeks due to travelling :) [08:23] didrocks: went from Prague to Munich on Friday night, and we spent a long time walking [08:23] didrocks: how was your's? [08:24] pitti_: was fine, thanks. A little bit cold, but a lot of walking in Lyon center city as well + shopping and such :) [08:25] good morning [08:25] can someone review/sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/evince/fix_linking_for_gir/+merge/47158 ? it fixes the current evince FTBFS in natty [08:26] hey geser, will have a look today. Thanks :) [08:55] good morning everyone [08:56] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:56] hi pitti_ - i'm good thanks, how are you? [08:56] you're back from the hackfest now? [08:58] good morning chrisccoulson! [09:00] hi didrocks, how are you? [09:01] morning [09:01] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, and you? [09:01] hey rodrigo_ [09:01] didrocks - yeah, not too bad thanks [09:01] hi didrocks [09:01] and chrisccoulson [09:01] hi rodrigo_ ! [09:05] i'm glad my laptop is still working today, i took the display off it yesterday [09:06] i thought it might not work again once i put it back together again ;) [09:16] chrisccoulson: yes, I am, just writing my report [09:16] chrisccoulson: ugh, why disassembling your laptop? [09:16] "Engineer's motto: If it ain't broken, take it apart and fix it" [09:16] pitti - the hinges were coming loose on my lid again [09:17] in fact, when i got the bezel off the display, one of the screws fell out ;) [09:17] ugh [09:17] that seems to be a laptop's weakest spot [09:17] well, that and the inability to deal with a full cup of coffee :) [09:17] yeah, thats the second time i've had to tighten up the screws now [09:18] although, the first time it was the screws that hold the hinge on to the base, which are much easier to access ;) [09:27] hey [09:29] salut seb128, ça va? [09:29] lut didrocks, ca va bien! [09:29] et toi ? [09:30] ça roule :) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [09:50] hey seb128, how are you? [09:51] hey chrisccoulson, I'm quite well, what about you? [09:51] chrisccoulson, did you have a nice we? [09:51] seb128 - yeah, not too bad thanks. i didn't do much over the weekend ;) [09:52] which is what weekends are for right? ;-) [09:52] i planned to wash our car, but i never got round to it in the end ;) [09:52] heh :) [10:03] hey seb128, bonjour! [10:03] hey pitti_ [10:03] back in Germany ? [10:03] how are you? had a nice we? [10:03] salut seb128 [10:04] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [10:04] seb128: yes, went to Munich Friday night, and finally enjoyed a weekend after 2 weeks :) we went for some nice long hikes [10:04] seb128, fine, and you? [10:05] pitti_, great ;-) [10:05] rodrigo_, I'm fine thanks [10:05] still catching up on emails after the we! [10:06] heh, that's the Monday top task, yeah :D [10:07] rodrigo_, did you have any chance to work on this g-s-d gdm issue? [10:08] seb128, I had a quick look at gdm code, but couldn't find where to kill the gdm's g-s-d, so pinged upstream [10:08] * pitti_ waits for his server to come back to read mails and post week report [10:12] rodrigo_, doesn't g-s-d normally just die when it loses the X connection? [10:12] perhaps that's the real problem [10:13] i don't think it registers with the session manager at all [10:13] chrisccoulson_, : about that bug, it's not, it's the user's g-s-d starting when gdm's g-s-d hasn't died yet [10:13] so the user's g-s-d dies [10:13] chrisccoulson_, well the issue there is that some people get the session one starting before the gdm one exit-ed [10:13] the session one bails out on "there is already a settings daemon running on this display" [10:14] yeah, only one xsettings process can be running at a time [10:14] i get that bit :) [10:15] but if g-s-d doesn't register with the session manager, then that's probably the real bug isn't it? [10:16] i think it normally just sits around until X dies [10:16] i might be wrong though [10:18] chrisccoulson_, having it to register with the session would also give respawning on crash [10:18] which would be a nice to get ;-) [10:19] especially since the gtk theme is resetted when it crashes [10:19] yeah :) [10:24] pitti_, seb128: I have a question regarding Bluetooth and a fax-modem which requires a long PIN, and I was pointed in your directions by asac - might you be able to help? [10:25] iansmith, hey, I doubt I will be useful, I've little clue about bluetooth and no clue about fax modem or pin numbers [10:26] seb128: Do you know anyone who may be able to help? [10:26] iansmith: inability to enter a long pin? I think that'd be best handled in an upsream bug report, as nobody on the desktop team is particularly working on bluetooth [10:26] iansmith, what pitti said [10:26] pitti_, seb128: Many thanks - I did log a bug, but nothing has happened in a couple of months :-( [10:27] iansmith, what is the bug number? [10:27] seb128: Just let me find it... It may take a while... [10:28] seb128: #669471 isthe bug number. [10:29] gnome bug #669471 [10:29] no bot today? [10:29] seems it took a long week-end :) [10:29] seb128: Sorry, but I don't understand :-( [10:30] iansmith, oh, is that a launchpad bug? [10:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/669471? [10:30] Launchpad bug 669471 in blueman "Blueman fails to register long PIN" [Undecided,New] [10:30] seb128: Yes - that's it - did I log it incorrectly? [10:31] iansmith, do you use blueman? [10:31] it's an universe software and you opened an upstream bug task on launchpad [10:31] not a surprise that nobody replied [10:31] seb128: I do, but it doesn't mean I have to - as long as it works... [10:31] iansmith, I've no clue about blueman we don't install that in Ubuntu standard [10:32] it's coming from universe, not even sure if it's maintained by anyone [10:32] seb128: Could you point me in the direction of the "right" way :-) [10:32] what are you trying to do? [10:33] why not trying with gnome-bluetooth with is what we use by default? [10:33] seb128: I just want connectivity between my Bluetooth dongle and my PDA/ Phone & fax modem - the PHone & PDA work fine - it's just getting so I can now use the fax modem. [10:34] seb128: I thought I had tried all combinations - but I will check what is installed,and ensure that it is Gnome that is installed, not Blueman [10:36] well on a standard ubuntu installation you get a bluetooth icon with the indicators [10:36] it's gnome-bluetooth === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [10:45] seb128: I've removed Blueman, and ensured gnome bluetooth is enabled (it wasn't removed), and I can see the modem, but I can't seem to test it is working. With Blueman it would communicate, and then tell me it couldn't establish a connection. Sorry for being such a clueless fool! [10:46] iansmith, I've no clue about bluetooth modem but wouldn't that require to use connman or nm rather? [10:52] seb128: As far as I understand it, there are two ways to communicate - one is using a serial terminal emulator, and the other is with fax software e.g. efax of gfax (but I don't have experience of either working due to no communication with the device!). I haven't seen anything crop up for BT in NM/ connman. [11:36] fta: any idea why when I try to open anything from chromium, it keeps telling me "can't open : it's not a folder" [11:37] didrocks, ?? never got that. is that the exact error message? [11:37] screenshot? [11:37] which version is that? latest stable? [11:38] fta: the version in natty, making a screenshot, one sec [11:41] fta: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/chromium-open-file.png [11:42] (confirmed it's working in double-clicking from nautilus or in firefox) [12:03] didrocks, that error message doesn't seem to be coming from chromium. when you click on something in the dl bar, it uses xdg-open [12:05] fta: right, confirmed directly with xdg-open which is broken then. Not sure what firefox is using then, but it should be something else (gio?) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:07] didrocks, xdg-open seems to be using gvfs-open by default (in natty), or fallback to gnome-open [12:07] for gnome [12:08] (unless the DE detection is broken) [12:09] I guess it's trying to use gnome-open looking at it, but this one doesn't work either [12:11] didrocks, gnome-open doesn't work on what urls? [12:11] seb128: like, download a tar.gz, then try to gnome-open (same with pdf too) [12:12] didrocks, wfm [12:12] didrocks, wfm too [12:13] hum, what can be wrong in my config then? :/ [12:13] it tries to open it as if it was a directory… [12:13] didrocks, do you get the issue on any format? ie images or txt as well? [12:13] do you get the issue if you "gnome-open example.pdf" [12:13] ie without a directory name? [12:14] seb128: yeah, seems to be on everything (with or without a directory in the path, every file format) [12:14] weird [12:15] is gvfs-open doing the same thing? [12:15] gvfs-open isn't installed [12:15] let me do it [12:15] ok, for me neither [12:16] it's not required, that's just to check if gvfs has the same issue [12:16] ok, was wondering if it was related :) [12:16] trying [12:16] same [12:17] didrocks, can you check the url xdg-open receives from chromium? (maybe add "echo $@ >> /tmp/xdg.txt" at the top of the script) [12:17] fta: sure, one sec [12:17] didrocks, can you gvfs-info on the file and pastebiny it? [12:17] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/557616/ on a text file [12:19] didrocks, does it work in a guest session? [12:20] fta: it receives an absolute path, nothing fancy [12:20] seb128: good idea, trying [12:21] didrocks, maybe a problem with the space and/or parentheses in your filenames (not unusual in shell scripts) [12:26] fta: no, I tried with an unicode only path [12:26] ok [12:26] ok, so chromium doesn't seem to work in the guest session [12:26] however, I tried xdg-open directly [12:27] it prompts a gnome dialogbox asking which is my prefered file manager (and proposing nautilus) [12:27] so, it definitively wants to bind that to a file manager [12:27] bug 577919? [12:27] Launchpad bug 577919 in gdm-guest-session "chromium-browser fails to start (guest account, OpenVZ): "Failed to move to new PID namespace: Operation not permitted"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577919 [12:28] fta: same, right [12:28] I guess it's an apparmor thing, should strace it [12:28] try with --no-sandbox [12:28] but it's not recommended to keep it [12:29] + disabled [12:29] fta: ok, will give it a try, thanks === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [12:46] pitti, will you do a gdm update today? [12:46] seb128: for the focus fix? [12:46] thought about it [12:47] our CDs are back in reasonable shape; still need to do a smoketest [12:47] pitti, ok, I've other changes I want to get in, please ping me before doing an upload if you do one [12:47] seb128: ah, ok [12:47] pitti, you will just use vuntz's patch for it? [12:47] seb128: yes, if it works (we have tons of patches, after all) [12:47] ok [12:48] chrisccoulson_, is firefox listing a week worth in history under "Today" a known issue? [12:49] seb128 - i don't think so [12:49] like it's listing launchpad bugs and components pages I didn't access today for sure, likely last week [12:49] Today [12:49] > launchpad.net [12:49] the history is sorted by "date and site" [12:50] hmmmm :/ [12:50] chrisccoulson_, do you get the same issue? [12:50] it doesn't seem like it. i just had a look, and it seems to be only sites i've visited today [12:51] ok, weird [12:51] usually it's fine I think, not sure what's going on today [12:51] didrocks: could you delete Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/hamster-applet/ubuntu ? [12:51] it's in universe [12:52] chrisccoulson_, ok, it's not only last week, it seems it lists the fd.o history of things it knows about and quite some launchpad ones as well [12:55] kklimonda: delete Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/hamster-applet/ubuntu from d/controls. branches for universe are deprecated and going to remove. [12:55] someone just did it [12:55] pitti, sup [12:56] ari-tczew: sure, done [12:56] ***** [12:56] ari-tczew, could you try to not ping several people just because one didn't reply immediatly? you just lead to work duplication [12:57] seb128: ? [12:57] heh [12:57] ari-tczew, well you pinged didrocks then kklimonda, by the time didrocks read your request kklimonda had it done and didrocks wasted time [12:57] seb128: I don't understand [12:57] seb128: no [12:57] seb128: calm down and listen [12:58] don't tell me to calm down when I'm not angry to start ;-) [12:58] seb128: didrocks has got access to ~ubuntu-desktop, so I pinged him to check branch - my bad that it was deleted in the past [12:58] but kklimonda want to be sponsored for universe and I pinged him to fix his branch [12:58] I don't see a duplication [12:59] k [12:59] maybe I am wrong? [12:59] dunno, I just saw that by the time didrocks checked there was no vcs to clean [12:59] seems that was a mistake so let's forget about it and move on ;-) [12:59] yes my bad [12:59] no worry [13:00] ok === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:27] was the last gdm supposed to fix the keyboard layout issue? [13:29] what gdm keyboard layout issues? [13:29] there is no gdm keyboard layout issues known [13:32] seb128: hey. can you help me with an upload issue? [13:32] desrt, hey, depends of the issue, tell us [13:33] grr, can't figure what is bring python-gnome2 on the livecd images [13:33] http://fpaste.org/CO63/ [13:34] desrt, you uploaded a .dsc and a .git? [13:34] i did dput on a .changes [13:34] it did what it did :) [13:34] but my source/format is 3.0 (git) [13:34] does LP perhaps not like 0 as version? [13:34] desrt, shouldn't you have an upstream tarball as well? [13:34] desrt, that and the 0 version can't be causing issues [13:34] native package straight out of git (i have debian packaging on a branch) [13:34] can't -> can [13:35] desrt, try with a non 0 version [13:35] hmm [13:36] do you have a particular method of packaging unreleased software? [13:36] * desrt wonders if it will complain about a missing tarball due to a debian revision version even with git format... [13:36] not really, I would take the configure version and add a ~git something [13:36] makes sense [13:37] have you seen this git-describe thing? [13:37] no, we don't use git a lot around [13:37] juergbi is using it in vala. i'm thinking about it. it's pretty awesome. [13:37] try asking on #launchpad maybe [13:37] I would not be surprised if soyuz didn't handle the 3.0 (git) format [13:37] it takes the last tag on the current branch and appends the number of commits that have happened since then to it, plus the abbreviated git commit tag [13:38] so you get a version like 0.7.1-5-abcdef [13:38] and you can setup autotools to use that (for pkgconfig files, even). pretty neat. [13:38] nice [13:38] cdbs for qmake, btw, is pretty interesting :) [13:39] i was swearing at it a lot when it wouldn't take the files from my debian/tmp/ directory for the separate binary packages [13:39] seb128, when i type my login, i have an unexpected qwerty layout, the password is in azerty (expected) [13:39] until i realised that the cdbs rules assume that qmake is broken (which it is) and try to take the files directly out of the source tree :) [13:39] fta, is the layout wrong on vts as well? [13:39] vts? [13:40] vtys? [13:40] no [13:40] VTs [13:40] ie vt1 [13:40] yes, it is [13:40] seems rather that console-setup issue [13:40] i regressed ~2 weeks ago [13:40] it [13:40] right, there is a console-setup issue [13:56] seb128: you were right. changed to 3.0(native) and everything is peachy [13:56] not really sure with the '(git)' gets me, to be honest [13:58] desrt, http://wiki.debian.org/GitSrc [13:59] or rather http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 [14:00] I always found the dpkg-source manpage to explain source formats well [14:00] desrt, the debian dir is maintained with git if you use that [14:04] kklimonda: why we should bump debhelper, upgrade to 3.0 source format? this is a place for Debian [14:06] pitti, was there any decision about the at-spi version to use this cycle? [14:06] rodrigo_, ^ [14:07] seb128: deferring to TheMuso [14:08] pitti, what was the conclusion when you discussed it in Dallas? [14:08] seb128: that TheMuso needed to look into a problem with bonobo, and once that's fixed, we can switch over [14:09] seb128: i have the debian/ directory in upstream git on a branch [14:09] desrt, well, the format is different from the storage [14:10] i noticed that i get some extra checks [14:10] desrt, sourve v3 (git) would mean you have your upstream tarball and a diff.gz where the diff.gz is a git repository [14:10] with 3.0(git), for example, it makes sure all my changes are committed before i try to roll the release [14:10] hm. it seemed just to make a .git and a .dsc/changes [14:10] desrt, so you maintain your debian dir in a git, not your source in git [14:10] oh. i see. [14:11] ya. not what i'm doing here. [14:11] what you do is usual source v3 quilt [14:11] i was reading some stuff last night about releasing out of upstream git too [14:11] shallow clones and stuff... [14:11] like you have upstream and debian dir in git and you use debian/patches in quilt format to add patches [14:12] i guess quilt with 0 patches is pretty much like native? [14:12] ...assuming the debian/ directory is in the 'upstream' tarball [14:12] eh. this will be something to worry about after i actually release [14:12] (which at this point i see no real benefit in doing) [14:13] right [14:13] i have to admit... git direct to PPA is a pretty nice system :) [14:13] tarballs are so 2010 [14:15] sort of works nicely with qmake too (since there is no 'make install' or 'make dist') [14:15] rodrigo_, Laney: would it be any way to drop the tomboy depends on libgnome24-cil? [14:16] libgnome2.24-cil [14:16]