[15:56] <hggdh> ~ô~
[15:56]  * pedro_ waves
[15:57]  * charlie-tca waves, too
[16:00] <pitti> o/
[16:00] <marjo> o/
[16:00] <bjf> o/
[16:00] <sconklin> o/
[16:00]  * ara waves
[16:01] <jibel> o/
[16:02] <victorp> I am apparently running the meeting today!
[16:02] <victorp> lucky me
[16:03] <victorp> ready to go?
[16:03] <victorp> #startmeeting
[16:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is victorp.
[16:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <victorp> agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-01-17-SR?action=show&redirect=ReleaseTeam%2FMeeting%2FStableReleaseAgenda
[16:04] <victorp> today as it is a "in between" meeting
[16:04] <victorp> we will try to keep it short
[16:04] <victorp> basically status on current SRU and preparation for 10.04.2 candidate
[16:04] <victorp> [TOPIC] Current SRU - Regression testing
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Current SRU - Regression testing
[16:05] <victorp> sconklin - so both kernels are now uploaded?
[16:05] <sconklin> victorp: yes
[16:05] <sconklin> Lucid had no reverts or changes
[16:05] <victorp> so Lucid is the same kernel from the validation week
[16:05] <sconklin> Maverick had one revert of an upstream stable patch that caused regressions for Radeon.
[16:05] <sconklin> ..
[16:05] <sconklin> yes
[16:05] <victorp> excellent
[16:06] <victorp> jibel - are we doing the QA testing already ?
[16:06] <marjo> victorp: i can give status
[16:06] <victorp> ok - go ahead please
[16:06] <jibel> marjo, go ahead then
[16:06] <marjo> lucid is almost done
[16:06] <marjo> amd64 testing in progress
[16:06] <marjo> ec2 - hggdh will sync up w/ smoser today and start testing ASAP
[16:06] <marjo> ..
[16:07] <hggdh> I am preparing to start the ec2 tests
[16:07] <marjo> hggdh: thx
[16:07] <victorp> marjo - what sort of test targets are we using for Lucid (real hw or vms?)
[16:08] <marjo> victorp: real HW w/ VMs as backup
[16:08] <victorp> marjo - so are you still ok for completing all tests by 27th?
[16:08] <marjo> victorp: yes
[16:09] <victorp> great
[16:09] <victorp> marjo - any else from QA ?
[16:09] <marjo> victorp: no, that's it for now
[16:09] <victorp> Ara - can you give us an update on HWCert testing?
[16:10] <ara> sure!
[16:10] <ara> on Friday we started testing the SRU for Lucid, but the results are not valid, as we are aiming to use the new SRU test suite
[16:10] <ara> and those were not run
[16:11] <ara> but hopefully that will be fixed today and we will be able to run the suite for Lucid, we will update on those tomorrow at the kernel meeting
[16:11] <ara> as for Maverick, we were waiting for the new kernel to be uploaded
[16:11] <ara> we hope to be able to finish by Thursday, but right now it is going to be a best effort situation
[16:12] <ara> sconklin, what time do you expect the results on Thursday?
[16:12] <victorp> Ara - but no later than Mon 31st right?
[16:12] <sconklin> I'm confused.
[16:12] <victorp> sconklin ?
[16:13] <ara> victorp, right, no later than 31st
[16:13] <sconklin> We have no further testing except to double check that the revert fixed the radeon problem, and I expect to have that today
[16:13] <sconklin> not sure what results Ara refers to
[16:13] <ara> sconklin, the certification results
[16:13] <victorp> sconklin - I think Ara is referring to the regression testing that certification runs
[16:14] <sconklin> oh, that's up to the people who run them. I don't have any tasks dependent on them
[16:15] <ara> sconklin, OK
[16:15] <ara> victorp, that's all from me
[16:15] <victorp> pitti - when are we taking the decision to release the SRUs on the 27th?
[16:15] <pitti> victorp: it entirely depends on verification feedback
[16:15] <pitti> the packages which don't get verified will just slip
[16:16] <victorp> ok
[16:16] <pitti> we want to switch over to building CDs from -updates only around start of Februrary AFAIUI
[16:16] <pitti> right now the dailies build with -proposed
[16:16] <victorp> ok - so any delays on releasing the SRUs will impact the builds of CDs for 10.04.2 ?
[16:16] <pitti> unfortunately we only get very little community feedback on maverick
[16:16] <ara> pitti, any reason why we don't have a i386 daily?
[16:17] <pitti> ara: how do you mean?
[16:17] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily-live/20110124.1/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily-live/20110124.1/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[16:17] <ara> pitti, alternate
[16:17]  * victorp is closing off the SRU topic and moving to 10.04.2 - ready everyone?
[16:18] <pitti> ara: ah, will check
[16:18] <pitti> ara: we certainly mean to have one
[16:18] <victorp> [TOPIC] Getting ready for 10.04.2
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Getting ready for 10.04.2
[16:18] <victorp> skaet plan says:
[16:18] <victorp> 1/27 - Martin provides 10.04.2 image candidate built from -updates
[16:18] <victorp> 1/28-2/10 - HW Cert does full certification run on 10.04.2 image
[16:19] <victorp> pitti are we still on track for the first item?
[16:19] <pitti> victorp: we have dailies with -proposed enabled
[16:19] <pitti> victorp: I think we want that for now, as there is the new kernel etc.
[16:19] <pitti> it's not _that_ critical when exactly we switch to -updates only
[16:19] <pitti> once we do, -proposed gets unfrozen
[16:19] <pitti> but we don't have a pressing need for that right now
[16:20] <victorp> Ara , sconklin - does that impact you?
[16:20] <pitti> however, if we have packages on the CDs which we don't get feedback for, we need to do it way before we do the final cert run
[16:20] <victorp> pitti - the manual cert run is schedule to start next week
[16:20] <sconklin> victorp: no, we'll continue to make kernels, and when things unfreeze can copy from the PPA at that time if needed.
[16:20] <ara> pitti, the thing is that we were aiming to do a very likely cert run next week
[16:21] <ara> pitti, so we need the cds from -updates
[16:21] <pitti> ara: the final one?
[16:21] <pitti> ara: ok, but I think we need at least the kernel and d-i in -updates for that, plus a few SRUs which were milestoned
[16:21] <ara> pitti, sure, sure, at  least the kernel, that's for sure
[16:22] <victorp> pitti - we cant start cert testing of 10.04.02 until we finish the SRU testing (same people & same systems doing the test)
[16:22] <victorp> ok
[16:22] <marjo> pitti: ditto for QA team
[16:22] <ara> so the idea was to have CDs from -updates as soon as the most hw related packages were in -updates
[16:22] <pitti> victorp: right, so makes sense to verify the current SRUs first
[16:23] <marjo> pitti: +1
[16:23] <ara> indeed
[16:23] <pitti> ara: right; from then on we need to take care to only let stuff into -updates which isn't hw specific and can be tested independently
[16:23] <victorp> to summarise - we need to have the current SRU kernel moved to -updates before we can create a CD that HW cert & QA can start doing the testing for 10.04.2
[16:23]  * victorp looking for anyone that don't agrees
[16:24] <victorp> pitti +!
[16:24] <victorp> +1
[16:24] <hggdh> doesn't that mean that you cannot test the SRU until it is approved?
[16:25] <victorp> hggdh - we can test the SRU now
[16:25] <victorp> We shouldn't build the 10.04.2 CDs from -update until the SRU is approved
[16:25] <hggdh> victorp: ah, sorry
[16:25] <victorp> hggdh - no worries
[16:26] <victorp> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[16:26] <victorp> going once
[16:27] <victorp> going twice
[16:27] <victorp> #endofmeeting
[16:27] <pitti> thanks everyone
[16:27] <marjo> thx victorp!
[16:27] <victorp> #endmeeting
[16:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:27.
[16:27] <ara> thanks victorp
[16:27] <victorp> thanks to all for participating!
[16:27] <MrChrisDruif> I just quietly observed :)
[16:28] <pedro_> thanks all
[16:28] <MrChrisDruif> Just a small question....what is SRU
[16:28] <hggdh> MrChrisDruif: Stable Release Update
[16:28] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks :)
[16:30] <jibel> MrChrisDruif, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates , and you are very welcome if you want to help to verify the fixes at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[16:32] <MrChrisDruif> SRU is like the next dot-release?
[16:34] <hggdh> MrChrisDruif: no SRU is any update to a stable release. a dot-release is basically a new sync point: all SRUs applicable are woven in a dot-release
[16:35] <hggdh> so installing a dot-release is equivalent to installing the base relase PLUS all SRUs up to the dot-release
[16:35] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, makes sense then :)
[18:03] <mdeslaur> jdstrand, sbeattie, kees, jjohansen: meeting?
[18:03] <jjohansen> o/
[18:04] <jdstrand> sure
[18:05] <kees> mdeslaur: \o/
[18:06]  * sbeattie waves
[18:06] <mdeslaur> who's first?
[18:06] <kees> mdeslaur: you! :)
[18:07] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:07] <mdeslaur> So I'm on community this week
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and I'm working on hplip updates
[18:07] <mdeslaur> will also be testing dovecot and subversion
[18:07] <mdeslaur> hopefully releasing them all this week
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and will go down the list after that
[18:08] <mdeslaur> that's it!
[18:08] <mdeslaur> NEXT!
[18:08] <kees> me me
[18:08] <kees> I'm auditing this week
[18:08] <mdeslaur> kees: tag, you're it!
[18:08] <kees> I've got a few from IS I need to do, and I'm probably going to report a few things on freerdp. found some non-exploitable crashes due to integer overflow, etc
[18:09] <kees> going to see about refreshing our CVE pool for 2011
[18:09] <kees> that's it from me
[18:09] <mdeslaur> \o/
[18:09] <kees> sbeattie: you're it!
[18:09] <mdeslaur> whoops..that was for the cve pool, not for you being done :)
[18:10] <kees> hehe
[18:10] <sbeattie> heh
[18:11] <sbeattie> I'm on triage this week.
[18:11] <sbeattie> Also, I've got openjdk, but am *still* waiting on one build.
[18:11] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: wow...just...wow
[18:12] <sbeattie> yeah.
[18:12] <sbeattie> other than that, I may poke at a few apparmor things this week.
[18:12] <sbeattie> that's it from me.
[18:13] <kees> good patch in over the weekend on network logprof updates
[18:13] <jjohansen> yeah, I was just looking at those
[18:13] <sbeattie> heh, I was also looking at that this morning.
[18:14] <jjohansen> s/those/that
[18:14] <sbeattie> (as well as slowly going through jeffm's other patches)
[18:14] <jjohansen> sbeattie: oh thanks, I have been meaning to get to that
[18:14] <sbeattie> jjohansen: yeah, sorry, I didn't more visibly announce that, but it's been a slow process.
[18:15] <jjohansen> sbeattie: np, its not like I've been looking at it, just had a vague intention to get to it some day
[18:17] <sbeattie> anyway, that's it from me.
[18:17] <sbeattie> does anyone else have anything for the security team? jjohansen?
[18:18]  * jdstrand hasn't gone yet
[18:18] <sbeattie> jdstrand: doh!
[18:18] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:18] <sbeattie> sorry
[18:18] <jdstrand> no worries :)
[18:19] <jdstrand> I am working on dbus-glib this week. after that I plan to talk with jj about confining dbus/applications that use dbus
[18:19] <jdstrand> depending on how those work out, I'll likely work on moodle
[18:19] <jjohansen> hehe, and here I was going to say skipping jdstrand just means he doesn't need to talk to me this week about dbus :)
[18:19] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[18:19] <jdstrand> hehe
[18:20] <jdstrand> oh, it seems a firefox and tbird update is imminent-- I might have to work on that
[18:20] <jjohansen> ouch, I have a feeling I am going to be preempted again
[18:22] <jdstrand> jjohansen: probably not. I just have to look at a couple of things
[18:22] <jjohansen> jdstrand: sure, sure ... :)
[18:22] <chrisccoulson_> jdstrand, it's not due until 8th feb ;)
[18:22] <chrisccoulson_> you've got a little bit of time yet
[18:22] <jdstrand> cool
[18:23] <jdstrand> jjohansen: actually, I thought of a way to do it all without messing with ipc, but need an api in libapparmor1 and an extremely fast implementation of that call
[18:23] <jdstrand> jjohansen: let me look at things though
[18:24] <jjohansen> jdstrand: hrmm, okay /me is interested to discuss
[18:24] <jjohansen> jdstrand: /me is concerned about the extremely fast part
[18:25]  * jjohansen is thinking we will have to do some caching in userspace for "extremely fast", context switches just aren't fast
[18:25] <jdstrand> yeah, we'd need to talk about it
[18:26] <jjohansen> yep, later then :)
[18:26] <jdstrand> is there anything else for the security team?
[18:27] <mdeslaur> zzzzzzz
[18:27] <jdstrand> alrighty then :)
[18:27] <jdstrand> thanks everyone!
[18:27] <mdeslaur> thanks!
[18:27] <kees> thanks!