[08:47] <fta> dpm, hi
[09:07] <fta> dpm, hi, i realized while testing chromium in some langs that i can't test it properly. i see some (few) untranslated strings but looking at the code, they come straight from gtk. obviously, i don't have all the locales installed. so i'd like some help finding issues.
[09:08] <fta> you mentioned a wiki page is the way to go. do you have a template or an example in mind?
[09:12] <dpm> hi fta, I don't have a template in mind. What I had in mind for a wiki page was to have: a general explanation on how to translate Chromium, the requirements for a language to be included, and any other info that would be of interest to translators. We could certainly add info on how to test the locales. That's the idea I had. I'd put the page somewhere outside the Ubuntu wiki, since it should be info that is not specific to Ubuntu, but right now,
[09:12] <dpm>  I don't know where the best place would be. The Chromium wiki seemed a bit too restrictive the last time I looked at it, or at least I could not figure out how to edit it
[09:12] <fta> dpm, yep, it seems they recently restricted the creation of new pages
[12:34] <fta> i wonder how i can add libgles2-mesa to Depends without breaking the backports...
[14:57] <micahg> fta: control.in, add it in d/rules for select releases only
[14:58] <fta> micahg, well, i'm not sure i really want to do that. gl could be problematic depending on your h/w
[14:59] <fta> same thing with vdpau
[15:30] <micahg> jdstrand: I use the apparmor-notify package, maybe it's worth adding to suggests for Firefox?
[15:32] <jdstrand> micahg: my inclination is 'no'. people who don't know about apparmor might install it, then see the notifications about other parts of the system. apparmor-notify is intended as a developer tool only
[15:32] <jdstrand> micahg: it only reports without giving a method to fix anything
[15:32] <micahg> jdstrand: ah, but the only time I get deny messages is from Firefox, so I guess the rest of the profiles are either doing their job
[15:33] <jdstrand> micahg: perhaps one day we can have a tool that would do more, but the last thing we want is what we see on fedora, where people are prompted for selinux denials all the time
[15:34] <jdstrand> micahg: true. it is useful. perhaps we could update documentation surrounding enabling the firefox profile-- if you do, you might be interested in the apparmor-notify package
[15:34] <jdstrand> "if you do, you might be interested in the apparmor-notify package"
[15:34] <jdstrand> (ie, I wasn't saying if *you*, micahg, do
[15:35] <jdstrand> )
[15:35] <micahg> jdstrand: i know :), I'll look into updating it
[15:36] <jdstrand> micahg: great, thanks! :)
[15:36] <jdstrand> micahg: you could also mention aa-update-browser and the local/ directory in the same area too, if it isn't already mentioned
[15:37] <micahg> jdstrand: can we update the AA profile after feature freeze?
[15:37] <jdstrand> micahg: sure. those are bug fixes, not features
[15:37] <micahg> jdstrand: cool, thanks
[15:51]  * fta is installing apparmor-notify...
[16:20]  * chrisccoulson_ is installing apparmor-notify too
[16:21] <chrisccoulson_> don't want to miss out :)
[16:40] <fta> grrr, we really need a dh_tweak_deps_and_builddeps_for_this_dist_please
[19:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hi, do you have Fennec done, or just the build system?
[19:44] <fta> doh, bad for us: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0#Iconvertedmypackagebutitfailstobuildorfailstounpackonallbuildds
[19:46] <micahg> err, they should defuzz automatically
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, fennec is pretty much done
[21:14] <micahg> almost all buildds are belong to us
[21:16] <asac> hey gents. so firefox 4.0 crashing... if i hit restart firefox 4.0 in that dialog it _never_ restarts ;) ... known bug (id?)
[21:16]  * micahg noticed that too :)
[21:16] <BUGabundo> \o
[21:17] <asac> fta: what is chromium using gles for?
[21:17] <micahg> asac: the version in natty also or just the dailies?
[21:17] <asac> dailies maverick
[21:17] <asac> dont have the luxury atm to upgrade ;)
[21:17] <fta> asac, some 2D canvas features iirc, maybe webgl too
[21:17] <micahg> asac: same as me :)
[21:18] <asac> fta: is it using gles on x86 too? nice
[21:18] <fta> asac, still watching my patches? ;)
[21:19] <asac> fta: whenever i get to those they are usually quite old so i dont spend as much time on them as i would
[21:22] <asac> fta: doesnt chromium ship binaries for linux? what are they doing there wrt gles?
[21:22] <asac> chrisccoulson: this reminds me: whats the webgl/gles status for ffox
[21:22] <fta> asac, i was quite happy to see my translation power plant finally done, but the lp guys killed me
[21:23] <asac> fta: huh? wth happened?
[21:23] <fta> asac, you should read my blog :)
[21:23] <fta> for gles, they just dlopen the libs if they are installed
[21:28] <fta> asac, http://ftagada.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/chromium-translations-explained-part-2/
[21:28] <asac> fta: yeah... from upstream vs. contributions feels buggy as you describe it
[21:28] <fta> og
[21:28] <fta> oh
[21:29] <asac> fta: do you know why the improved translations suddenly became "from upstream" ?
[21:30] <asac> fta: do you reimport from your side with all the changes included?
[21:31] <fta> asac, no. i feed lp just with the upstream stuff
[21:31] <fta> it put a link to the lp announcement
[21:32] <fta> asac, https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-translators/msg00256.html
[21:34] <fta> i'm in touch with danilo, but he told me Deryck Hodge will take over to solve this
[21:38] <asac> kk ... seems its maybe a one time problem and that folks are taking care of that. makes me happy
[21:40] <fta> i wanted a low maintenance translation system, but i've spent way too much time on this already
[21:43] <fta> asac, did you like my article? :)
[21:43] <fta> asac, you asked me so many times to start a blog
[21:46] <asac> fta: i retweeted it ;)
[21:46] <fta> asac, rate it :)
[21:46] <asac> fta: its really awesome content ... not much to add there ;)
[22:08] <fta> the indicators are still broken
[22:09] <fta> and i still can't use unity
[22:28] <fta> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hhnjdplhmcnkiecampfdgfjilccfpfoe
[22:56] <chrisccoulson>  hi asac
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> ffox has gles support AFAICT, but we don't actually build it
[22:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: could you please try that?
[22:58] <asac> at least on arm ...
[22:58] <asac> at best some builds for intel would be nice as well
[22:59] <asac> with gallium etc. you can have accelerated gles for some x86 video chips
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i could try that. i think i'd need to do a build system hack for that though. it currently selects gles automatically only for maemo and android builds
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> (from what i can see from the makefile anyway)
[23:02] <asac> chrisccoulson: yeah. that needs to be improved ;)
[23:02] <asac> should select that for linux/arm/gnu in general
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> we could probably make it do that ;)
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> it wouldn't be difficult to fix
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> heh, it's going to be a fun night tonight, my daughter keeps waking up
[23:10] <asac> chrisccoulson: good time to continue working then i guess
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> this moonlight crasher is really bugging me now
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> fta - do you still see that in chromium too?
[23:17] <fta> chrisccoulson, i don't use moonlight, but i still see people reporting bugs about it
[23:18] <fta> it's when you have both icetea and libmoon
[23:19] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i can still recreate it sometimes, but i still don't fully understand why it's crashing
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> fta - http://is.gd/AANWKL
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> there's quite a few now
[23:21] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=49743
[23:23] <fta> i should probably work on integrating breakpad too
[23:24] <fta> http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=472
[23:24] <ubot2> icedtea.classpath.org bug 472 in Plugin "Update of icedtea crashes epiphany" [Normal,New]
[23:25] <fta> mix of malloc and tcmalloc? (last comment)
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> fta - interesting. the second link there seems to show a different crash