[02:13] <sparc> Does anyone here host a local ubuntu ubuntu repository, to install from?
[02:13] <sparc> s/ubuntu//; # :)
[02:14] <sparc> if so, i'm curious if you provided preseed options to the installer through a preseed file, or as boot options
[02:14] <sparc> it seems like there are two ways to do it
[02:14] <sparc> boot options seem better, since then the installer doesn't have to depend on the Internet being available
[02:16] <sparc> alas, the installer continues to look for archive.ubuntu.com, even when mirror/http/mirror and apt-setup/security_host are provided
[02:16] <sparc> must be more, to do...
[03:13] <jzacsh> hi, i'm about to file a bug in launchpad, `apport-bug php5` -- but its just a guess, and I'd like to hash how some details to pick the correct package. my problem is with less, or readline, or ubuntu, or php... not sure: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10359461#post10359461
[03:13] <jzacsh> if anyone has any thoughts could they hilight me, or post to that thread? thanks a ton :)
[04:24] <jmarsden> jzacsh: re your "CLI ISSUE #2": I cannot duplicate this in Ubuntu 10.04.1 here, using Esc and then j or k works for command history in mysql for me, when using your .inputrc .
[04:27] <jzacsh> jmarsden: thanks for taking the time to try.
[04:27] <jzacsh> i'm on 10.04. what is the extra point version? (10.04.1?)
[04:28] <jmarsden> Just a minor update, you probably have it too, do  lsb_release -d    to check
[04:30] <jzacsh> jmarsden: yes, i have .1 as well. (sorry -- in another channel need hilights sometimes)
[04:31] <jzacsh> jmarsden: i know its not _just_ me -- as i had people in the drupal.org issue queu (linked in my issue) say they also experience this in ubuntu (only)
[04:31] <jzacsh> jmarsden: rr... nvm, i'm thinking of CLI ISSUE #1 -- (its late here)
[04:32] <jmarsden> OK.  And your mysql is linked against libreadline as usual, right?  What does     ldd `which mysql` |grep readline    output?
[04:33] <jzacsh> jmarsden: ahahah, lol.. wow. now i don't have the issue in mysql either
[04:33] <jzacsh> mayb eit was a recent update (has to be -- i've bene chasing this for months)
[04:33] <jmarsden> OK... I'll stop trying to duplicate it :)
[04:33]  * jzacsh checks python
[04:34] <jzacsh> very very strange.
[04:34] <jzacsh> oy.
[04:34] <jzacsh> jmarsden: so ISSUE #1 is reproducable for you, then?
[04:34] <jmarsden> I'm not sure, I found #2 easier to understand how to duplicate so I went for that one first. Trying #1 now.
[04:36] <jmarsden> Doing php -r 'print_r(get_defined_constants());' |less    seems to work as I would expect it to, so no, #1 I can't yet duplicate either.
[04:36] <jmarsden> jzacsh: ^^
[04:36]  * jzacsh makes sure that hasn't fixed it self either
[04:38] <jzacsh> jmarsden: okay, that's still an issue for me -- i have: `php --version`: http://dpaste.de/fqgy/raw/
[04:40] <jmarsden> Um.  In 10.04.1 ???  In Lucid you should have 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.7 not 5.3.5 .
[04:40] <jmarsden> jzacsh: ^^ I keep forgetting to highlight you...
[04:41] <jzacsh> jmarsden: i may have upgraded (very possible) -- i work as PHP dev as my day job, -- but I don't honestly remember for this laptop-- I rarely use it.
[04:42] <jmarsden> OK... not sure if that matters or not.  What does    php -r 'print_r(get_defined_constants());' |cat -e -v |tail -1    output for you?
[04:42]  * jzacsh tries
[04:43] <jzacsh> jmarsden: )$
[04:44] <jzacsh> (without the preceding: "jmarsden: "
[04:44] <jmarsden> Ok, same here... so there is no unwanted ^M in there on your machine... at least not one that is visible to cat -e -v ... so what is less seeing?
[04:44] <jzacsh> jmarsden: hmm.. very strange, php -r 'print_r(get_defined_constants());' |cat -e -v |tail -1
[04:44] <jzacsh> wh00ps
[04:45] <jzacsh> jmarsden: php -r 'print_r(get_defined_constants());' |cat -e -v | less  has the same issue
[04:45] <jmarsden> That starts to suggest that #1 is more to do with less than with php output??
[04:46] <jzacsh> jmarsden: that's what was also suggestd in php.net bug i posted.
[04:47] <jzacsh> i've heard a lot about this possibly being related to how ubuntu packages less
[04:47] <jmarsden> If you do    php -r 'print_r(get_defined_constants());' >somefile     you can then hexdump -c somefile   and less somefile and prove it is independent of php, perhaps?
[04:48] <jzacsh> jmarsden: nope, its fine when read back from a file..
[04:48] <jmarsden> OK.  does lv have the same issue?
[04:48] <jzacsh> php -r 'print_r(get_defined_constants());' > ~/tmp/buggy; cat /home/jzacsh/tmp/buggy  | less
[04:49] <jzacsh> jmarsden: lv?
[04:49] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get lv   # another viewer
[04:49] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get install lv   # I mean.
[04:49] <jzacsh> jmarsden: sorry, i was just running those test on my archlinux box. oy (ssh confusion) -- sorry
[04:50] <jmarsden> Ah... not so useful, that.   Also, check what     set |grep LESS   outputs, you can radically alter less behaviour with lesspipe stuff...
[04:50] <jzacsh> so, yes, the above ^ command runs without any issue (to file, then to less) on my Ubuntu system as well.
[04:51] <jmarsden> OK.  I think I have some custom stuff in my .bashrc for lessopen/lessclose, now I think about it...
[04:51] <jzacsh> jmarsden: LESS=' XFRr '
[04:52] <jmarsden> Just for fun, try   export LESS=MMich4    and then retest
[04:54] <jzacsh> jmarsden: yes, same behavior with the options you requested.
[04:54] <jmarsden> Hmm, OK.  That's what I use... I was hoping the rR might be what was causing less to behave poorly for you.
[04:55] <jzacsh> not okay when passed directly through pipes (eg.: ` ...  | cat -e -v | less`) and okay when passed to a file (eg.: `... > ~/tmp/buggy ; less < ~/tmp/buggy)
[04:55] <jzacsh> so, is still suspicious that things are not okay when passed directly along through the pipe
[04:56] <jzacsh> jmarsden: i have to go soon, but if you could either comment on the ubuntu-forum post, or just start a launchpad.net/ubuntu bug, that would really be very awesome.
[04:57] <jzacsh> thakn you for all the help so far. this machine i'm chatting from shouldn't get disconnected, so i should See hilights should you hav emore to say. i'm off to bed for now :)
[04:57] <jzacsh> jmarsden: ^
[04:57] <jmarsden> jzacsh: I'll see what I can do.  I need to duplicate the issue first, really... will try in a new default user without all my customizations and see what happens.
[04:58] <jzacsh> jmarsden: whatever you can find or can _not_ find, if you'd post to that forum thread at the least, that'd be aewsome :)
[04:58] <jzacsh> ciao
[04:58] <jmarsden> Bye
[08:22] <elkingrey> Hello, I have recently installed the Postfix and Dovecot package on my Linode server. My problem right now is setting it up in my Evolution client so that I can access that email account. Can anybody point me to a guide that will walk me through the specs I have to put into Evolution for the new account?
[08:30] <Datz> is there a download for the -virtual kernel?
[08:31] <twb> Datz: apt-get install it
[08:32] <Datz> ah, thanks
[08:42] <Datz> If I'm on 10.04 install, do I have to sick with a certain kernel version? I'm on 2.6.32 now, but aptitude search shows linux-image-2.6.35-22-virtual
[09:08] <bluefrog> exit
[09:11] <twb> Datz: you probably screwed up, then
[09:12] <twb> Ah, that kernel has been backported to lucid-updates.
[09:12] <twb> IMO you should stick to .32 unless you have a really good reason not to
[09:51] <awanti> thanks
[10:00] <Adman65> hey guys. Is there some way I can configure the fastest mirror?
[10:00] <twb> deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt lucid main universe
[10:02] <Adman65> ty
[10:03] <jpds> Not exactly fastest, but random country mirrors.
[10:03] <Adman65> well atm im getting <200kB
[10:04] <twb> jpds: the "mirror" method will always pick the first entry returned by the smart server
[10:04] <jpds> Adman65: As you're in the US, try mirror.anl.gov.
[10:04] <jpds> twb: "smart".
[10:04] <twb> I'm told it returns based on geoip, but I don't know how granular that gets
[10:05] <twb> jpds: right, "smart" as in it violates the spirit of HTTP by not returning static, stateless content :-(
[10:05] <jpds> It's cached.
[10:06]  * twb thinks the whole "web app" think should FOAD and go back to Display PostScript.
[10:06] <twb> s/think /thing /
[10:06] <jpds> Still, if you want to find the fastest mirror, you're better off looking at routes and seeing which mirrors you have peering with or something.
[10:07] <jpds> http://mirror.{a,p}nl.gov/ happen to be the two 10Gbps US mirrors there are.
[11:25] <kerozene> aptitude seems to assume --purge-unused.. how can I reconfigure that?
[11:29] <lauris> hi, how to make service starting automatically on 10.04 ?
[11:30] <\sh> lauris: check /etc/default/<service>
[11:30] <lauris> and if there's no such file ?
[11:31] <twb> kerozene: run its gui and hit f10, then wander through the options
[11:31] <twb> kerozene: it's in there somewhere
[11:31] <kerozene> I've no gui
[11:31] <lauris> creating empty file didn't helped
[11:31] <twb> kerozene: yes, you do.
[11:32] <twb> kerozene: you may not have a *raster* GUI, but you are very unlikely to be ssh'ing from a printer
[11:32] <kerozene> gotcha
[11:32] <twb> Just run "aptitude" without arguments
[11:32] <kerozene> yeah
[11:33] <lauris> \sh, service --status-all shows [ ? ]  mysql
[11:34] <kerozene> twb: I only found gui options
[11:34] <twb> Sigh
[11:34] <twb> Dependency handling >     [X] Remove unused packages automatically
[11:35] <kerozene> under Options?
[11:35] <twb> F10 > Preferences, IIRC
[11:36] <twb> F10 > Options > Preference
[11:36] <kerozene> yeah, it's not there. this is 8.04
[11:36] <kerozene> good call tho
[11:36] <twb> Grmph
[11:36]  * twb wanders over to amc.prisonpc.com
[11:37] <twb>     [X] Remove unused packages automatically
[11:37] <twb> ...it's there in 8.04
[11:37] <twb> That's aptitude 0.4.9-2ubuntu5
[11:38] <kerozene> beautiful. works
[11:38] <kerozene> not used to that ui: scrolling, split screen etc.
[11:39] <\sh> lauris: mysql should come up by default when you don't have any bugs in your config
[11:39] <lauris> i can start it manually with service mysql start
[11:40] <lauris> so i assume there are no bugs in the config
[11:42] <twb> lauris: 10.04?
[11:42] <twb> As at 10.04, mysql is started from upstart, not sysvinit
[11:42] <lauris> yes, 10.04
[11:42] <\sh> lauris: when you check the upstart script, it says start on (net-device-up and local-filesystem and runlevel [2345]) so this works as expected, or you have something missing from the start on events
[11:42] <lauris> how can i check this ?
[11:42] <\sh> eventually your net-device is not up, or your local filesystem isn't mounted
[11:43] <twb> lauris: with great difficulty :-/
[11:43] <twb> \sh: looks like the mysql upstart job has some stinky spinlocks and things, I suppose they could be borking
[11:43] <lauris> \sh, this might be the case since i use openvz guest for running mysql
[11:43] <twb> \sh: did you check his /var/log/auth.log and syslog?
[11:43] <\sh> lauris: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[11:43] <twb> lauris: that's why
[11:43] <twb> lauris: openvz and lxc do not generate the lo event that upstart expects
[11:44] <twb> lauris: here's what I do: http://paste.debian.net/105515/
[11:44] <\sh> twb: hmm...lo up is triggered by udev, right? so it should run with any udev events regarding a NIC coming up
[11:45] <twb> \sh: he's running a container
[11:45] <\sh> twb: ah no udev then
[11:45] <twb> \sh: the kernel events are consumed by the dom0; the domUs don't see them
[11:45] <twb> He probably has udev within the container, but it just sits there on its ass
[11:45] <twb> The ifupdown NMU 0.6.8ubuntu29.1 "fixed" a bug where the lo up event was raised twice
[11:45]  * \sh hoorays for bare-metal ;)
[11:46] <twb> So you (or at least *I*) get the case where an update from lucid-updates suddenly causes all containers to stop booting
[11:46] <twb> Now, openvz is a little different from lxc, but I expect he's running into basically the same issue -- it might be a slightly different event
[11:47] <lauris> host is running on debian
[11:47] <twb> FWIW, OpenVZ isn't supported by Ubuntu anymore
[11:47] <lauris> which is supported.
[11:47] <twb> They dropped it in favour of LXC, which isn't really production-ready as at 10.04 :-(
[11:48] <lauris> and then i run ubuntu guests on top of it
[11:54] <lauris> ok, i assume i'd better workaround it
[13:40] <iclebyte-work> we are looking for a solution with which we can monitor network traffic at various points across our network i.e. by protocol like for example a network tap. Does anyone know of any existing software for this?
[13:43] <SockPants> hi all
[13:43] <SockPants> i'm installing ubuntu server 10.10, but the partitioner isnt working properly
[13:44] <SockPants> i'm trying to set up software raid on 2 disks
[13:44] <SockPants> i succeed in creating the software raid setup, but i can't subsequently partition the raid disk
[13:46] <JamesPage> SockPants: is there any particular error message you are getting?
[13:47] <SockPants> JamesPage: no errors. right now i see the raid disk with an ext4 partition (i created that earlier for a lack of alteratives). selecting the disk and hitting enter does nothing but flash the screen, i can't delete the partition so i can't create swap space
[13:48] <SockPants> i've restarted the server and tried again but nothing changed
[13:50] <JamesPage> SockPants: just reminding myself of how the installer works for RAID (did one a few months back)
[13:56] <JamesPage> SockPants: are you selecting the partition or the disk?
[13:56] <soren> smoser: Where can I find some info on the desktop cloud images?
[13:56] <SockPants> selecting the disk just flashes the screen, selecting the partition leads to the 'use as, copy, erase, done' menu
[13:58] <JamesPage> SockPants: OK so if you configure the use as 'do not use this partition'
[13:58] <SockPants> JamesPage: that's how it's configured now
[13:59] <JamesPage> right - and then delete the software raid partition using the 'Configure software RAID' option at the top of the partition disks screen
[14:00] <SockPants> JamesPage: that works, it deletes the raid disk
[14:00] <JamesPage> SockPants: does that get you to where you need to be?
[14:01] <SockPants> JamesPage: no, i'm trying to get a root partition and a swap partition on the raid disk i just removed
[14:02] <JamesPage> SockPants: OK - and do you want to use LVM on top of the RAID-1 configuration?
[14:02] <SockPants> not necessarily
[14:02] <mrroth> oh
[14:05] <JamesPage> SockPants: you will need to setup a RAID device per partition you want to create if you don't use LVM
[14:06] <SockPants> ah in that case i misunderstood
[14:06] <SockPants> how come i can't partition the raid disk as if it were a physical one
[14:06] <JamesPage> SockPants: or you can configure the RAID device as an LVM physical device and then create LVM volumes within it.
[14:09] <JamesPage> SockPants: good question - I'm not sure
[14:10]  * JamesPage looks to see if there are any reasons why this can't happen.
[14:10] <smoser> soren, uec-images.ubuntu.com
[14:10] <smoser> they're basically just images with ubuntu-desktop in them.
[14:11] <soren> smoser: Ah, no NX or anything like that?
[14:11] <smoser> well...
[14:12] <smoser> it looks like they currently all have a lucid-built nx from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds/view/head:/vmbuilder-uec-ec2-fixes
[14:13] <smoser> woops. from http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu . the previous url has details
[14:14] <smoser> i thikn i'll probably yank that or deal with it some other way in natty for alpha3
[14:15] <RoAkSoAx> morning all!
[14:15] <JamesPage> RoAkSoAx: morning
[14:15] <smoser> yo
[14:16] <RoAkSoAx> how's it going ?
[14:20] <JamesPage> SockPants: Software RAID disks can be partitioned - but this has not always been the case;
[14:20] <JamesPage> SockPants: so this is probably a hangover from the days before Software RAID devices could be partitioned.
[14:20] <SockPants> JamesPage: i believe then i'm missing some option in the partitioner
[14:21] <SockPants> actually i'm pretty sure i was able to remove the partition on the software raid disk once before and then choose to partition the free space into 2 partitions
[14:21] <SockPants> but i can't reproduce it
[14:21] <JamesPage> SockPants: :-) always the trick....
[14:21] <SockPants> there's no option to remove the partition or create a new partition table anywhere
[14:22] <JamesPage> SockPants: looks that way - the only workaround I can suggest is to use LVM ontop of the RAID device
[14:23] <SockPants> i see. thanks for the help!
[14:24] <JamesPage> SockPants: it would be a nice feature of the installer as it would make setting up RAID much quicker
[14:31] <jdstrand> shauno: rules added via the ufw cli command are sotred in /var/lib/ufw or /lib/ufw depending on the version of ufw your are using. also, (again, depending on the version of ufw you are using), you can use the /usr/share/ufw/check-requirements to see if your kernel has everything needed to use ufw
[14:43] <kaushal> hi
[14:44] <kaushal> can someone please suggest me about running the query in Oracle ?
[15:00] <JamesPage> SockPants: I raised this feature under bug 706949
[15:00] <SockPants> JamesPage: great, thanks for the effort!
[15:00] <SockPants> i hope it gets fixed
[15:01] <JamesPage> SockPants: if you want to add any more information to be bug report/and or confirm it that would be great.
[15:01] <SockPants> JamesPage: i'll have a look
[15:03] <JamesPage> zul: remember our brief conversation about Samba 4 in main last week?
[15:04] <zul> JamesPage: yeah and its still not going to happen
[15:04] <JamesPage> zul: I know; but its been pointed out to me that only the Preferred dependency has to be in main.
[15:07] <soren> JamesPage: Yes, that's correct.
[15:09] <JamesPage> zul, soren: so could we not support existing samba4-client installs using smbclient | samba4-clients ?
[15:09] <JamesPage> smbclient: in main
[15:09] <zul> why again?
[15:09] <soren> JamesPage: Sorry, what?
[15:10]  * soren is completely missing context
[15:10] <JamesPage> Context:
[15:10] <JamesPage> bug 704377
[15:11] <JamesPage> smbclient conflicts with samba4-clients so if you install nagios3, samba4 gets un-installed in preference to the smbclient dependency
[15:11]  * JamesPage forgets that soren is not a mind reader
[15:12] <zul> JamesPage: nack
[15:12] <soren> JamesPage: Sure, if nagios is happy to use the samba4 equivalent of smbclient, just add it as an alternative in the Depends.
[15:12] <soren> zul: Why not?
[15:12] <hallyn> bug 525287
[15:12] <zul> soren: because i can just see this causing headaches down the road
[15:12] <soren> There's a bajillion examples of this in the archive.
[15:12] <soren> Roughly.
[15:12] <zul> soren: name one
[15:13] <soren> I didn't actually count them.
[15:13] <zul> soren: i assumed you didnt ;)
[15:13] <soren> We have eleventy billion mta's, for intance.
[15:13] <soren> Only two are in main, yet a lot of packages specify a dependency on mail-transport-agent.
[15:14] <soren> It's less direct, since it's a virtual packages, but that causes more headaches, not less.
[15:14] <soren> But sure, I'll find an example.
[15:15] <soren> Heck, we even have dependencies that don't exist at all!
[15:15] <soren> adduesr depends on debconf | debconf-2.0. debconf-2.0 doesn't exist.
[15:16] <soren> alsa-utils depends on whiptail | dialog. dialog is in universe.
[15:16] <zul> rght you made your point
[15:16] <soren> ...and I've only made it alsa-utils (going alphabetically).
[15:17] <soren> Ah, debconf provides debconf-2.0. My bad.
[15:18] <soren> Apache depends on any MPM. The itk one isn't in main, yet validly fulfills the requirement.
[15:20] <suman> how to connect to internet any one???
[15:20] <suman> i mean my server
[15:21] <suman> anyone here
[15:21] <suman> ??
[15:21] <suman> have a small problemo
[15:22] <suman> hullo can anyone help
[15:22] <Pici> !details | suman
[15:24] <suman> ok sorry ..pls wait
[15:25] <suman> I am running ubuntu server edition which is not connected to internet ..i jus need a command which connct it to the internet...sorry for my english
[15:27] <suman> actually i installed server edition first but now want to switch to desktop edition ..am trying sudo apt_get install ubuntu_desktop
[15:27] <suman> its not working syaing that cannot locate the package
[15:27] <Pici> suman: The package name is ubuntu-desktop not ubuntu_desktop
[15:28] <suman> yeah i did that by mistake i typed that
[15:28] <Pici> suman: There is no 'one command' that connects a server to the internet.  Do you see your network connection in   ifconfig
[15:29] <suman> one coulumn is lo
[15:29] <suman> and other isvirbr0
[15:30] <suman> its showing my ip n stuff
[15:31] <Pici> Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
[15:31] <suman> wait will do that
[15:33] <suman> network is unreachable
[15:33] <suman> output:network is unreachable
[15:34] <suman> can i come back some one knocking my door
[15:35] <Pici> Sure
[15:36] <SockPants> i now seem to be in a situation where i can't partition at all
[15:37] <SockPants> is there any way i can manually force-delete / ignore all the info it thinks it has?
[15:37] <leprechau> sure
[15:37] <SockPants> .. in the installer?
[15:38] <leprechau> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=512 count=32 ... that will completely wipe your partition table
[15:38] <SockPants> leprechau: how do i get to a cli
[15:38] <leprechau> where sdx is the drive you want to wipe
[15:38] <leprechau> boot cd into 'rescue a broken instalation' mode from the first menu
[15:38] <hggdh> smoser: there?
[15:39] <smoser> here
[15:40] <smoser> hggdh,
[15:45] <suman> Pici:i am back ..can u please guide me to connect to internet
[15:46] <suman> pici:r u there
[15:46] <suman> ??
[15:48] <suman> can anyone help me connectiing my ubuntu servr edition to internet
[15:49] <suman> ???
[16:00] <SockPants> is there any way to switch to a cli in the middle of installation
[16:01] <genii-around> SockPants: You can togle consoles with the usual combos like alt-f1 thru alt-f4
[16:02] <genii-around> If memory serves 4th console is where all the output messages are appearing
[16:04] <Pici> suman: I got called away to work on something, are you still having issues?
[16:04] <suman> yeah
[16:05] <SockPants> hm ok
[16:05] <SockPants> how can i manually make a partition table on /dev/md0 during install? it cant find parted
[16:05] <suman> rusty149:yeah
[16:06] <JamesPage> SockPants: use fdisk /dev/md0
[16:07] <Pici> suman: Is this a virtualized server?
[16:12] <SockPants> JamesPage: thanks, that seemed to work, but then there was an error anyway. what's the command for setting up software raid manually?
[16:14] <netzi> hi @ all
[16:16] <netzi> bräuchte hilfe beim Compilern
[16:19] <zul> RoAkSoAx: there is a newer drbd8 in debian
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: yeah! upstream is releasing a newer version though
[16:22] <zul> RoAkSoAx: cool
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: but I'll take care within this or next week...
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> zul: btw... what kernel is natty gonna ship?
[16:23] <zul> .38 i think
[16:26] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok, thanks! Then I guess Debian version should be enough for us!
[16:40] <SpamapS> Goooood morning u-bun-tuuu
[16:41] <SockPants> good evening:)
[16:41] <JamesPage> Hey SpamapS
[16:43] <mrothhh> how do you sys admin manage emails
[16:45] <SpamapS> When I was a sysadmin (now an OS developer) I viciously attacked anything that caused email to arrive in my inbox, and never used filtering
[16:45] <SpamapS> now I do the same actually ;)
[16:45] <aljosa> which version of ubuntu works with/has ibm db2 express-c in partner repository?
[16:45] <zul> Hey SpamapS good weekend?
[16:48] <hootenanny> hey, does anyone know whether symbols in passwords can mess with IMAP over SSL?
[16:48] <[diablo]> anyone noticed problems booting min. virtual guests that are 10.10?
[16:49] <[diablo]> I sometimes get hangs, and have to restart em via virsh (triggers the ACPI)
[16:52] <JamesPage> SockPants: I'm not sure what tools are available in the installer environment but here is a good place to start http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[16:54] <SpamapS> zul: great weekend thanks... yours?
[16:54] <zul> SpamapS: a whee bit too cold
[16:55] <SpamapS> zul: I know when you say that, it means it was unbelievably cold
[16:55] <zul> SpamapS, -23C right now
[16:55] <SpamapS> thats quite a bit colder than my current 17C ;)
[16:56] <RoAkSoAx> I'm at 23C
[16:59]  * SpamapS wonders how long before somebody throws RoAkSoAx and he in a freezing swimming pool at an ubuntu event.
[16:59] <SpamapS> s/he/him/ :-P
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> hahaha
[17:00] <aliverius> hi. i found my server powered off. it wouldnt power on. in the end it did. now i want to take a look at the logs in case i find what happened before the shutsdown. nut which log?
[17:07] <aliverius> http://pastebin.com/kcLk9MVg
[17:09] <aliverius> what does the above tell us?
[17:10] <e_t_> Does the connection function?
[17:11] <aliverius> now yes
[17:11] <aliverius> and no kernel msgs
[17:12] <e_t_> It looks to me like eth0 and eth1 are being disabled as independent interfaces and then brought up as part of the bridge.
[17:12] <aliverius> it is just that the above where its last words :p
[17:13] <aliverius> now such msgs appear now. and the server is full functional
[17:13] <aliverius> in fact i am speaking to you through that bridge
[17:13] <e_t_> There's that famous saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
[17:14] <aliverius> i must prevent the next failure
[17:14] <aliverius> so there may be something to fix
[17:36] <zul> SpamapS: for that cobbler i was thinking of combining the cobbler_web.conf and the cobbler.conf into one
[17:40] <SpamapS> zul: that would mean combining cobbler-web and cobbler again.
[17:40] <lynxman> oh hey zul o/
[17:41] <zul> SpamapS: yeah maybe not a good idea :)
[17:41] <SpamapS> zul: the whole point of the cobbler-web package was that you install it and get the web interface.. no install.. no web interface..
[17:41] <SpamapS> zul: I'm wondering if we should push to have our version included upstream as like, cobbler_web_debian.conf
[17:41] <SpamapS> zul: the two philosophies are somewhat different
[17:42] <zul> SpamapS: probably
[17:42] <SpamapS> zul: and we can always include the common bits
[17:42] <SpamapS> zul: but I was thinking that would be in the "make the web interface better" effort next cycle
[17:43] <zul> SpamapS: meh...i dont want to step on people's toes
[17:43] <zul> hey lynxman
[17:43] <zul> SpamapS: thats more landscapish
[17:45] <SpamapS> zul: landscape is so many lightyears ahead of it.. I don't want to do any work on making the interface itself better... I just want to make it easier to install. ;)
[17:46] <zul> SpamapS: ah sure
[17:46] <SpamapS> zul: I do think that landscape should be able to be plugged into it similar to spacewalk.
[17:47] <zul> SpamapS: well the base is there its up to them if they want to use it or not
[17:58] <SockPants> has anyone here ever used ubuntu on an ibm server?
[18:12] <zul> SpamapS: does this look sane to you?
[18:12] <zul> http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/05_fix_init_paths.patch
[18:13] <SpamapS> zul: reading
[18:15] <RoAkSoAx> zul: error in ""%s/named restart", % which_init_path"  (and dnsmasq, dhcpd) , should be ""%s/named restart" % which_init_path", note the ","
[18:15] <zul> RoAkSoAx: right
[18:19] <SpamapS> zul: I'm not sure I like the approach of looking in /etc/init.d for a file...
[18:19] <SpamapS> zul: service kind of already has this logic.. but a bit misplaced
[18:19] <Datz> !seen twb
[18:19] <zul> SpamapS: does fedora have service?
[18:21] <zul> SpamapS: because that would be more distro agnostic
[18:21] <Datz> I "sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-27-virtual" but when I restarted I still see 2.6.32-27-server.  Is there something more I need to do?
[18:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: YES it does have service blablabal start etc etc
[18:22] <zul> RoAkSoAx: win
[18:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: though, as it is expected, the name of some services might different
[18:26] <SpamapS> zul: yes, I believe we took it from fedora
[18:29] <RoyK> Datz: iirc -server is equal to -virtual now
[18:40] <Datz> RoyK: interesting.. why would there be -server and -virtual then?
[18:40] <Datz> I guess I should have tried another kernel version, then I'd know if there was a switch :P
[18:41] <pmatulis> Datz: the virtual kernel does not need physical h/w drivers?
[18:42] <Datz> pmatulis: that was my impression
[18:44] <RoyK> Doonz: did you try manually booting into the virtual kernel?
[18:45] <RoyK> just press shift during boot
[18:48] <m_tadeu> hi...when I dmesg, I get an error from SMBus complaining about the buffer lenght...aparentely it needs 42 and only has 20...where is this configured?
[18:48] <Datz> RoyK: you mean Datz right :P
[18:48] <Datz> I will try though
[18:48] <Datz> thanks
[18:50] <RoyK> Datz: I did, wrong nick :P
[18:50] <kaushal> Shall i pastebin the impdb logs ?
[18:50] <kaushal> I have exported DB on EE and trying to import it to SE on Oracle 11g R2 DB Server
[18:50] <kaushal> I get lot of errors
[18:50] <kaushal> Please suggest/guide
[18:50] <kaushal> I am not getting help at #oracle or ##oracledb
[18:51] <RoyK> kaushal: I don't think this is an oracle channel, so you may dump it to /dev/null - less hassle
[18:51] <oCean> you not getting answers does not make it an ubuntu issue, right?
[18:51] <RoAkSoAx> zul: btw.. still don't wanna sponsor lvm ? :)
[18:51] <zul> RoAkSoAx: not really
[18:52] <RoyK> linux needs a good filesystem that can mirror zfs' work
[18:52] <RoyK> btrfs may be the one, but the current progress isn't showing much potential
[18:52] <sparc> yeah :(
[18:52] <sparc> btrfs is on the way...
[18:53] <sparc> we installed FreeBSD for our NAS just for ZFS
[18:53] <oCean> it btrfs different from drbd?
[18:53] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: you haven't found anyone to sponsor it yet?
[18:54] <RoAkSoAx> mdeslaur: nope :( apparently nobody want's to touch that package :)
[18:54] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: what's the bug # again?
[18:55] <RoAkSoAx> bug #525287
[18:55] <RoyK> oCean: btrfs has some of the stuff zfs has, like block-level checksumming and raid-1, but it isn't ready, and hasn't been worked on very heavily for a couple of years
[18:56] <oCean> and what about DRBD?
[18:56] <RoyK> oCean: drbd isn't a filesystem, it's a block-level replication mechanism
[18:56] <oCean> Ah, ok
[18:57] <oCean> And glusterfs? That's enitrely different thing?
[18:58] <oCean> *entirely
[18:58] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: I'll sponsor it...I'll upload it once I take a look, build, and test lvm2
[18:58] <RoyK> glusterfs is an overlay over filesystems for clustering
[18:58] <RoAkSoAx> mdeslaur: awesome! Thanks!
[19:00] <RoyK> oCean: if you're looking for a filesystem that can handle bad drives, use zfs
[19:00] <RoyK> preferably on openindiana or something - the current zfs-fuse code is quite bad in terms of write speed
[19:01] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: welcome
[19:02] <oCean> RoyK: ok! thx for the info, have to look into that some more.
[19:02]  * RoyK has two 100TB boxes running openindiana for bacula storage - owrks well
[19:02] <RoyK> s/owrks/works/
[19:07] <m_tadeu> my ACPI is complaining that SMBus needs a buffer length of 42 and only has 20...how do I solve this?
[19:11] <Datz> RoyK: grub menu shows -server as well
[19:17] <genii-around> m_tadeu: Looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/606999
[19:20] <m_tadeu> in deed...what are the implications of this error?
[19:21] <genii-around> m_tadeu: Looks like vendor acpi extensions may not work
[19:23] <wizardslovak> hello people
[19:23] <wizardslovak> i installed wordpress
[19:23] <wizardslovak> but i cant get it to work
[19:23] <wizardslovak> i mean i used apt-get install
[19:24] <wizardslovak> and then i got to ip/wp-admin and it shows that there is no folder like that
[19:28] <genii-around> wizardslovak: sudo ln -s /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/wordpress.conf                   then restart apache
[19:30] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: lvm2 uploaded
[19:30] <Datz> RoyK: well, aptitude search shows that -virtual but -server shows "c" meaning that some configuration files remain.
[19:31] <Datz> virtual is installed*
[19:31] <RoAkSoAx> mdeslaur: thanks ;)
[19:31] <mdeslaur> RoAkSoAx: np
[19:32] <wizardslovak> genii-around, http://pastebin.com/ek9kgzYA
[19:36] <Henry1> I changed my ssh conf on my new vps, added my own username, set PermitRootLogin to no and AllowUsers <onlyme> and everything worked for a while when connecting via ssh with my new username and after installing LAMP I changed my network (moved to another place with my laptop) and after that I only get Permission denied, please try again. … any advice?
[19:38] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  well it didnt work , how to i reverse it?
[19:39] <Datz> humm, well I removed configuration files for all linux-image*-server, aptitude showed that Linux-image*-vitual was installed, restarted. Now, Kernel panic :|
[19:39] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Apologies on lag, work required me. For the moment, just to remove the symbolic link, eg: sudo rm /etc/apache2/conf.d/wordpress.conf
[19:41] <Datz> can I update grub which in kernel panic?
[19:41] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  ;) thank you for help , i understand u gotta work ;) hihih
[19:41] <Datz> update-grub*
[19:42] <genii-around> wizardslovak: The idea would be to make an apache alias for /usr/share/wordpress and place it in /etc/apache2/conf.d with appropriate name
[19:43] <wizardslovak> genii-around, ah , gotta google that one ;)
[19:43]  * Datz reverts to previous snapshot..
[19:44] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Something like http://pastebin.com/YMr3BJF5
[19:46] <wizardslovak> genii-around, thank you ;) so i should just copy it to apache2/conf.d
[19:47] <genii-around> wizardslovak: To inside that directory, yes, but in a file named perhaps like wordpress.conf
[19:47] <Pici> And make sure that www-data can read it
[19:48] <wizardslovak> genii-around, sorry i am noob at this , so make file named "wordpress.conf" and just write allias u wrote me , i just use correct folder i got wordpress installed in
[19:51] <wizardslovak> i am sorry people , the only think i know is how to simple settup apache
[19:51] <wizardslovak> and i need help with wordpress
[19:52] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Basically if you do something like: sudo nano /etc/apache2/conf.d/wordpress.conf                and then add the lines from the pastebin, exit with saving, then restart apache
[19:52] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  let me try it
[19:52] <wizardslovak> ok that conf is empty
[19:53] <wizardslovak> blank
[19:53] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Then http://localhost/wordpress        takes you there
[19:53] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Yes, it will be blank at first since it is a new file just made
[19:53] <Datz> looks like I need the configuration files for -server to run -virtual kernel?
[19:55] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  i got this http://pastebin.com/8gyydqLJ
[19:56] <wizardslovak> i mean i tried server lan ip and still same think
[19:58] <genii-around> wizardslovak: You might want to try first: http://localhost/worpress/wp-admin
[19:58] <wizardslovak> genii-around, "The requested URL /wordpress/wp-admin was not found on this server."
[20:02] <genii-around> wizardslovak: perhaps  http://localhost/worpress/wp-admin/index.php
[20:02] <wizardslovak> nope same think
[20:02] <genii-around> oops typo, forgot a "d" in wordpress there
[20:03] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  hehe i didnt , and still aint working
[20:03] <wizardslovak> btw i change allias to my requirements , maybe mistake in there? http://pastebin.com/yVnqMShq
[20:04] <wizardslovak> genii-around, and i am getting this "/etc/wordpress/config-192.168.1.106.php could not be found. The file is either not readable by this process or does not exist.
[20:04] <wizardslovak> Please check if /etc/wordpress/config-192.168.1.106.php exists and contains the right password/username."
[20:05] <genii-around> wizardslovak: The files should not be in /var/www/anywhere but in /usr/share
[20:05] <genii-around> Since that is where the package puts them
[20:05] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  oh i moved folder from /usr/share to /var/www
[20:07] <wizardslovak> ok i moved everything back
[20:07] <genii-around> wizardslovak: You should not do that. The package manager for instance will not be able to track manual moving of files if it needs to uninstall. Also then it defeats the purpose of an alias to it
[20:07] <wizardslovak> ok
[20:07] <genii-around> When you spontaneously improvise it makes it difficult to assist...
[20:07] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  i moved them back
[20:08] <mrmist> I'd just install the various bits rather than use a package for wordpress.
[20:09] <wizardslovak> grrr i used apt-get
[20:09] <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. I am having a heck of a time installing software RAID with LVM in Ubuntu 10.04 Server x64. Check out this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/4rDmyjyM . Is software RAID + LVM capable of being installed? If so, is having a /boot partition on a software RAID possible?
[20:09] <_UsUrPeR_> the pastebin details my partition layout
[20:11] <SpamapS> _UsUrPeR_: we test RAID1 and LVM independently during our release cycles, but I don't know if we test the two together
[20:11] <mrmist> I mean you may have success with the package method, but wordpress has its own support base that's fairly large and a lot of the folk wouldn't necessarily know a package install
[20:11] <SpamapS> _UsUrPeR_: I assume you mean GRUB not GRUP ?
[20:11] <_UsUrPeR_> oh yeah. sorry, GRUB2
[20:11] <_UsUrPeR_> :)
[20:12] <_UsUrPeR_> SpamapS: For the record, it appears that the grub/LVM partitions are created correctly. I just can't figure out where to put the grub installation
[20:12] <SpamapS> _UsUrPeR_: RAID1 should actually be causing grub to install on both devices.
[20:12] <SpamapS> _UsUrPeR_: *you* shouldn't be installing grub yourself.. the installer takes care of it.
[20:13] <SpamapS> and it should in fact be putting it on sda and sdb
[20:13] <SpamapS> I think
[20:13] <SpamapS> I've never actually been in that code :p
[20:13] <_UsUrPeR_> I understand. I am using the software RAID configuration tool in the Partition editing portion of 10.04 server install disk
[20:13] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Work needs me for an extended period, apologies. I should be back at computer in 10-15 minutes
[20:13] <wizardslovak> genii-around, i will behere ;)
[20:14] <_UsUrPeR_> and it is, indeed, my intention to have all this information RAIDed across both hard drives
[20:14] <_UsUrPeR_> I also understand that LVM cannot store boot partitions, which is why I created a separate RAID device specifically for that purpose
[20:16] <toddc> that is what I am trying to do also raid 1 with LVM and having a hard time the setup is different that older versions
[20:16] <SpamapS> _UsUrPeR_: so it succeeds in partitioning/creating filesystems, copying files, but then grub installation fails?
[20:17]  * SpamapS should probably fire up a VM and test this out
[20:17] <_UsUrPeR_> SpamapS: that is correct. I am stymied only during the GRUB2 installation process. Up to that point, everything appears to be moving along normally.
[20:21] <_UsUrPeR_> SpamapS: I am seeing something of a bug pertaining to this here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/527401  I am reading through it right now. It appears this has vacillated between "fixed" and "broken" a couple times now.
[20:21] <_UsUrPeR_> jynx :)
[20:21] <_UsUrPeR_> oh dammit, that's just a bot.
[20:21] <_UsUrPeR_> lol
[20:22]  * _UsUrPeR_ buys a beer for his new robot friend.
[20:25] <arkonova> If i deleted a user and group and now want it back, can i just restore /etc/passwd, /etc/group and /etc/shadow from /etc/passwd-, /etc/group- and /etc/shadow-. Or is that a silly idea?
[20:34] <wizardslovak> hmm
[20:34] <wizardslovak> how do i change persmissions on folder?
[20:34] <wizardslovak> Unable to create directory /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01. Is its parent directory writable by the server?
[20:44] <SpamapS> arkonova: you may also need to restore the user's home dir if it was deleted
[20:47] <arkonova> SpamapS, this one was not deleted. So that all there is to users and groups files. Nothing else elsewhere?
[20:52] <wizardslovak> anyone of u ever used ssmtp?
[20:55] <RoAkSoAx> zul: drbd should be ready in a bit for you to sponsor ;)
[20:57] <zul> RoAkSoAx: eod...kirkland can probably sponsor it as well
[20:57] <zul> SpamapS: i still have to read your application as well
[20:58] <kirkland> zul: sure
[20:59] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: let me know what you need
[21:08] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will do ;)
[21:11] <SpamapS> zul:  take your time next DMB meeting is 1/31
[21:22] <hggdh> smoser: there?
[21:22] <smoser> here
[21:30] <hggdh> smoser: after adding -proposed, apt-get update & dist-upgrade, and rebooting, uname -a still shows 2.6.32-311-ec2
[21:30] <hggdh> smoser: grub.cfg has the correct kernel as default
[21:31] <smoser> you didn't launch with the pv-grub kernel
[21:32] <smoser> can you pastebin euca-run-instances output ?
[21:32] <smoser> err...
[21:32] <smoser> euca-describe-instances or ec2-describe-instances
[21:34] <hggdh> smoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/557850/
[21:35] <smoser> hm..
[21:37] <smoser> hggdh, i'm looking at it. just a minute
[21:38] <hggdh> smoser: np
[21:39] <smoser> hggdh, there is no linux-ec2 in -proposed
[21:40] <smoser> the -virutal is (explicitly) ignored via update-grub-legacy-ec2, and /boot/grub/menu.lst is the config file used, not /boot/grub/grub.cfg on EC2
[21:41] <smoser> (its not my fault, all that we have available on EC2 -- and in xen anywhere -- is grub 0.97 like loader, not grub2)
[21:42] <hggdh> oh
[21:42] <smoser> something is busted maybe in us-east-1 archive
[21:42] <smoser> according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ec2 though, there should be a new linux-ec2 in the archive
[21:42] <smoser> at least newer than 2.6.32.311.12
[21:49] <hggdh> so... what to do? There is no 312.24 in the archives
[21:49] <smoser> sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-312-ec2
[21:49] <smoser> hggdh,
[21:49] <smoser> the meta package isn't there, but the actual binary is
[21:53] <hggdh> smoser: installed, rebooting now
[22:00] <resno> ive got multiple users who need to upload large files, are there any inventive methods to allow this?
[22:02] <Patrickdk> scp, ftp, http, email, ...
[22:02] <Patrickdk> dunno that email is very practical, but hell
[22:02] <Patrickdk> hell, bittorrent?
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: bug #707117
[22:11] <smw> Anyone know why apache would not start on ubuntu but when you run the init script manually it works? I am using the official ami for amazon ec2. Apache is in my rc2.d
[22:11] <smw> the boot does not even mention it
[22:11] <smw> boot log* (/var/log/boot.log)
[22:15] <arkonova> Some folks using etckeeper with git here?
[22:16] <arkonova> Was wondering if using a nested repo to manage apache's sites is a good idea. I can't foresee any issue with that...
[22:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok so I was reviewing powernapd again, and the get_interrupts function is used by the get_console_activity to get interrupts of PS2 mouse/keyboard, and also examines the most recently touched (os.stat) device in /dev.
[22:22]  * genii-around sips
[22:23] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Still struggling with Wordpress?
[22:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the combination of that is used to grab the "Console" activity in general to be able to cancel the attempt to perform an action
[22:24] <genii-around> wizardslovak: I just went through the install process here on a spare box for it, I agree that it's not so straight forward as it should be
[22:27] <wizardslovak> yea i ve done it
[22:27] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  u have to edit wp-config
[22:27] <wizardslovak> genii-around, then copy example to orginal
[22:27] <wizardslovak> it works
[22:28] <wizardslovak> now i am trying to figure out how to work with it
[22:28] <genii-around> wizardslovak: No, there was a file to run /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/setup-mysql
[22:28] <wizardslovak> not really
[22:28] <wizardslovak> in config file u gotta write sql database name , username and password
[22:28] <wizardslovak> after that it worked perfectly
[22:29] <wizardslovak> now i have different problem
[22:29] <wizardslovak> as my friend from other pc aross the town cant reply for blogs
[22:29] <wizardslovak> it throws him into my servers LAN  ip
[22:30] <genii-around> wizardslovak: Do you have apache rewrite module enabled?
[22:31] <genii-around> wizardslovak: I do not prefer to talk by personal message
[22:31] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  nope
[22:31] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  ok understand
[22:31] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  how do i check it out ?
[22:32] <genii-around> wizardslovak: sudo a2enmod rewrite
[22:32] <wizardslovak> "enabling module rewrite
[22:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, drbd8 uploaded
[22:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, so how about powernap?
[22:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: thanks for the upload!!
[22:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'm on it, I was thinking that instead of PS2 monitor, should just be a ConsoleMonitor?
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yes
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i agree
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: good idea
[22:35] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  its rewritten
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's how it is working now. Once that code is separated from powernapd the loop itself will change dramatically to also allow running the monitors when on PowerSave
[22:36] <genii-around> wizardslovak: I am testing my current setup to see if outside ip can respond, etc
[22:36] <wizardslovak> ok sure
[22:37] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  take your time , i dont rush ;)
[22:37] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I already separated the WoL monitor into its own Monitor, though I'm still using the old code till I get the ConsoleMonitor up and running. Then I'll allow the monitors to run at all times. I expect that to be done by tomorrow
[22:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: btw.. u forgot to debuild -S -sa for drbd :)
[22:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i know, i'm redoing now :-/
[22:40]  * SpamapS hates when that happens
[22:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: re-uploaded
[22:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sweet!  you're the man
[22:40] <genii-around> wizardslovak: External access works for mine. I'm just port-forwarding to the internal lan IP, but the box has a name assigned
[22:41] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  well i did forward 80 and 22
[22:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: thanks for the upload ;)
[22:41] <wizardslovak> what ports does wordpress uses?
[22:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: btw.. did you finish the TCPMonitor?
[22:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: nearly
[22:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: got distracted;  thanks for the reminder
[22:42] <genii-around> wizardslovak: As far as I can tell just http and possibly https ( 80, possibly 443 )
[22:43] <wizardslovak> hmm
[22:46] <wizardslovak> done it and still
[22:46] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  in general settings by "site address url" do you have lan ip?
[22:47] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: oh!! btw!! I was also thinking that while in PowerSave mode, the monitors could run as "event" based monitors, while during ABSENT_SECONDS, we can just poll every INTERVAL_SECONDS, instead of transforming everything to event based
[22:48] <RoAkSoAx> so that we have a combination of behaviors
[22:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, okay ....
[22:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: what does that give us?
[22:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: while in Powersave, makes no sense to be polling every INTERVAL_SECONDS. but while running ABSENT_SECONDS, we don't really care cause we are running in full power.
[22:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, yeah, that sounds really good
[22:51] <genii-around> wizardslovak: I have by fqdn
[22:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so for example, during ABSENT, if INTERVAL=10, and we receive a TCPMonitor (ssh) and every 10 seconds it will check if it received it, so that it allows the daemon to sleep every 10 secs. But when on PowerSave the TCPMonitor, can just send an event to the daemon to take a recover action and we "stop" powernapd from polling
[22:52] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[22:53] <wizardslovak> genii-around, let me try that
[22:55] <kirkland> lifeless: howdy, around?
[22:55] <kirkland> lifeless: squid question(s) for you when you are
[22:56] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  if ill send you address can you register and post comment?
[22:59] <wizardslovak> genii-around,  nevermind , got it to work ,
[23:09] <kirkland> lifeless: i think i figured it out, though i wouldn't mind vetting my config by you ;-)
[23:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/557885/
[23:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think you're going need a breaks/replaces since you moved a file from one binary package to another
[23:17] <lifeless> kirkland: hi
[23:18] <lifeless> kirkland: 'sup?
[23:18] <kirkland> lifeless: okay, I'm working squid-deb-proxy -- you familiar?
[23:18] <lifeless> yes
[23:18] <lifeless> not yet gotten around to reading the impl details
[23:19] <kirkland> lifeless: we're trying to push that as a sane, default, preferred deb caching solution
[23:19] <kirkland> lifeless: i'm looking for the best practice in a usecase that may well be common in some of the enterprises we're targeting, and i've reproduced that environment here
[23:20] <kirkland> lifeless: okay, so the network setup looks like this ...  an open, outer network, with a secure, inner network inside of it, separate subnets
[23:20] <kirkland> lifeless: clients of the secure, inner network can, of course, initiate connections to servers in the open, outer network, but not vice versa
[23:20] <kirkland> lifeless: the squid deb proxy is running in the open, outer network
[23:21] <kirkland> lifeless: i can't find any way to get the avahi/zeroconf/mdns broadcast messages from the outer network to the inner network
[23:21] <kirkland> lifeless: i played around with a little bit of firewalling and port forwarding, but it just doesn't look like it's possible
[23:21] <lifeless> mmm
[23:22] <kirkland> lifeless: i could use a confirmation of that,  but in the mean time, i think i have a workable solution
[23:22] <kirkland> lifeless: mmm means you're thinking, or affirming?
[23:23] <lifeless> kirkland: well, in corporates you may find mdns firewalled (possibly host as well as routers)
[23:23] <lifeless> e.g. http://www.net.princeton.edu/filters/mdns.html
[23:23] <kirkland> lifeless: right, good point
[23:24] <lifeless> 'Our measurements in Fall 2006 indicate that this filter reduced multicast/broadcast traffic by 52-63% (measured by packet rates) on the largest campus networks.
[23:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: do you think it would really be necessary given that 1.12 was only on natty?
[23:24] <lifeless> '
[23:24] <lifeless> 'We filter the mDNS traffic at the wireless access points or wireless controllers. '
[23:24] <kirkland> lifeless: okay, in any case, my "solution" to the two subnet problem is to run a second squid-deb-proxy in the inner, secure network, and "chain" it to the "real" one in the outer network
[23:24] <SpamapS> kirkland: I don't think s-d-p was designed with that use case in mind.
[23:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: perhaps not
[23:24] <lifeless> RoAkSoAx: its always useful to reduce problems
[23:25] <SpamapS> kirkland: I think it assumes you're on a shared LAN w/ the clients
[23:25] <kirkland> SpamapS: lifeless: okay, well, here's what I added to squid-deb-proxy.conf:
[23:25] <lifeless> kirkland: so I have an alternative
[23:25] <kirkland> cache_peer 10.1.1.11 parent 8000 3130 no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange
[23:25] <lifeless> kirkland: fixup s-d-p to use SRV records as well as mdns
[23:26] <SpamapS> ooo good plan
[23:26] <SpamapS> the corporate alternative
[23:26] <kirkland> hrm
[23:26] <kirkland> interesting
[23:26] <lifeless> kirkland: you can of course chain squids
[23:26] <SpamapS> kirkland: it would be cool to have another avahi mdns service going to that let the s-d-p's find eachother for ICP
[23:26] <kirkland> lifeless: right, so that was my immediate question ... is this config "valid" to your eyes?
[23:26]  * SpamapS will re-type that in english.. :p
[23:27] <lifeless> but if they are both in the same lanish area there's no particular advantage to chaining, and you'll add latency
[23:27] <SpamapS> kirkland: it would be cool to have another avahi mdns service going so that multiple s-d-p's find eachother for ICP
[23:27] <lifeless> kirkland: as far as the config goes
[23:27] <lifeless> cache_peer $upstream-hostname-or-up parent $port 0 no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange, if you want to disable all that
[23:28] <lifeless> but there isn't any particular reason to disable everything
[23:28] <lifeless> kirkland: the big thing you want though is to tweak the hierarchy and direct rules
[23:28] <SpamapS> lifeless: one reason to chain would be to traverse a restrictive firewall
[23:29] <lifeless> specifically you want the child proxy to never go direct
[23:29] <lifeless> SpamapS: sure; OTOH if you're opening a port to a specific outside proxy that is locked down, few admins would object to opening that to all the clients.
[23:30] <kirkland> lifeless: right, all i'm really going for is to ensure that the inner proxy, which is the only one that the inner clients sees, pull deb's from the outer proxy's cache when available, rather than pull all the way from archive.ubuntu.com, while there are live cache hits available on the outer LAN
[23:31] <lifeless> kirkland: I would tell it to always use the outer proxy, otherwise the outer proxy will grab stuff the inner already has
[23:31] <lifeless> *or*
[23:31] <lifeless> make the inner and outer peers
[23:31] <lifeless> but the corp scenario makes peering less ok
[23:31] <SpamapS> I kind of think once you start dealing w/ corporate networks s-d-p becomes less about the avahi, and more about a consistent port that only allows deb/apt downloads.
[23:32] <kirkland> lifeless: hmm, what are the directives to do that?
[23:32] <lifeless> http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/ConfiguringSquid#How_do_I_configure_Squid_to_work_behind_a_firewall.3F
[23:33] <kirkland> lifeless: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/CacheHierarchy seems to be what I want, no?
[23:39] <kirkland> SpamapS: hmm, yeah, a protocol by which squid-deb-proxies cooperate would be cool
[23:39] <kirkland> SpamapS: kinda torrenty :-)
[23:41] <lifeless> kirkland: was answering the specific bit of your query :)
[23:41] <kirkland> lifeless: ah
[23:43] <SpamapS> kirkland: screw it lets just hack bittorent support into d-i
[23:43] <SpamapS> install 1000 servers in under 5 minutes
[23:44] <kirkland> SpamapS: what a plan
[23:49] <SpamapS> kirkland: its not all that far fetched.. system imager had bittorent support
[23:49] <SpamapS> kirkland: but s-d-p is far simpler. :)
[23:54] <kirkland> SpamapS: heh
[23:56] <binaryhat> im not seeing check_sensors plugin installed, nagios-plugins-standard doesnt include it?
[23:58] <SpamapS> binaryhat: maybe try nagios-plugins-extra ?
[23:59] <binaryhat> nope