[06:06] <jdeslip> Why aren't all weekends long? ;)
[06:10]  * pleia2 could use a long weekend
[06:10] <pleia2> on call went swimmingly until tonight when it...didn't
[06:10] <pleia2> now I'm all tired and need a weekend :)
[15:36] <Guest30477> ok heres a wierd one. for the last couple of weeks i sign in like normal it lets me in here on this chat as jamie. today i sign in and im supposed to be guest 30477 wth???
[15:38] <jamie_> wow that was wierd i sign out and then sign back in and now im me again.... wierd
[17:56] <MarkDude> Video from my talk at LUGOD >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad6kHE-S1x0
[17:56] <MarkDude> Linux is a cult, but a good cult
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> Is it hard to move around on BART with the tux costume?
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> What if you need to use a toilet?
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> Has the penguin ever been pick-pocketed?
[18:07]  * MarkDude could both run, and do Kung Fu in the suit
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> Do you get free things at stores or restaurants for wearing the costume?
[18:07] <MarkDude> Not yet
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> Does the suit make you popular with the ladies :) ?
[18:07] <MarkDude> Well, silence is the better part of Valor
[18:08] <MarkDude> You can see my online album for that answer
[18:08] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: sometimes! http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/112010/mark_melissa_lyz_halloween.jpg
[18:08] <MarkDude> Does not hurt at all, let's put it that way ;)
[18:09] <MarkDude> AMAZINGLY
[18:09] <iheartubuntu> Apparently not! One penguin to 3 ladies is a pretty good ratio. Almost like Russia.
[18:10] <MarkDude> lol
[18:11] <kdub> in america, penguins ride the subway
[18:11]  * MarkDude does not judge, but one of those folks was most likely a dude
[18:11] <kdub> in soviet russia, subways ride the penguins
[18:11] <MarkDude> lol
[18:12] <kdub> not my best, but i couldnt pass up the russia reference
[18:13] <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Halloween#5537241955528906578
[18:13] <MarkDude> I think I should remove the GK watermark from the Halloween pics
[18:14] <MarkDude> pleia2, has lived in cali for a enough time that she was not as shocked at the nightclub scene there
[18:14]  * iheartubuntu checks internet for penguin costumes
[18:14] <MarkDude> $32 shipped
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> does thee, uhhhhh, size of the theee, uuuuhhh, flippers make a difference?
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> or beak?
[18:15]  * MarkDude is sending one to FUDcon for the end of week. Im sure I will be known as that kooky Ubuntu guy with the suit
[18:16] <MarkDude> Well the beak is more interesting than I originally thought :D
[18:16] <iheartubuntu> thats what i was thinking
[18:16] <MarkDude> You can still put your hand out thru the flipper
[18:17] <MarkDude> *Universal Truth*;
[18:17] <MarkDude> Anything you can do with a hand, is infinitely funnier with a flipper
[18:17] <MarkDude> If you dont believe anything else I say, believe that
[18:20] <kdub> MarkDude, lets be fair, the /northern/ california nightclub scene :)
[18:21] <kdub> we've got more of a kesha-wannabe vibe down here :D
[18:21] <MarkDude> and plastic surgery/enhancements also :D
[18:22] <MarkDude> You have no shortage of dudes that dress like chicks tho
[18:22]  * MarkDude was born and grew up in San Diego 
[18:23] <pleia2> kesha-wannabe vibe is less of a culture shock than... the castro on halloween
[18:24] <pleia2> (I'd think anyway)
[18:24] <kdub> MarkDude: i live in PacificBeach, all those problems are in 'epidemic' status in my neighborhood :P
[18:24] <kdub> pleia2: probably true
[18:26]  * MarkDude grew up in PB
[18:26] <MarkDude> Apparently Cher is not the most popular outfit anymore- it is Lady Gaga
[18:26] <pleia2> california is a whole different world from where I grew up
[18:27] <MarkDude> Well Philly has created new and better swear words- they made it an artform
[18:27] <pleia2> I grew up in Maine :)
[18:28] <pleia2> Philly was just a stop along the way
[18:28] <MarkDude> Yes, I forgot
[18:28] <pleia2> the reluctant gypsy that I am
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> i heard maine is not very business friendly. lotso f taxes n stuff
[18:28] <MarkDude> well it is still a Masters degree in cursing from what i understand
[18:28] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, it's a tourist state, florida is similar
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> i miss VT and NH
[18:29] <MarkDude> Grandmas are even willing to teach the proper way to drop F-bombs
[18:29] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, Jan 15th- I was wondering if I should have worn shorts
[18:29] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I love Maine, but career prospects are slim outside of the tourist industry, so I left
[18:29] <iheartubuntu> i would think maine is similar
[18:29] <MarkDude> It costs so much to live here for a reason
[18:30] <MarkDude> California's crappy cities are often better than other states great cities
[18:30] <MarkDude> So says the 3rd generation Californian :D
[18:30] <iheartubuntu> heres a computer related Q... can computers and other electronics that are turned OFF survive an EMP?
[18:32] <MarkDude> Dont most things that produce EMP leave a residual?
[18:33] <MarkDude> Tubes can operate after nuclear bomb
[18:34] <MarkDude> So later this Summer, *penguin party* hit SF either wear a penguin suit- or a white shirt and black shirt unbuttoned
[18:35] <kdub> iheartubuntu: probably not. emp's induce voltages accross the circuitry regardless of whether its on or off
[18:35] <iheartubuntu> yah i think tubers would be fine... but more complex circuits like computers im curious if they would still work. im gonna get an old western electric 500 series dial phone just in case
[18:36] <MarkDude> Anything that was made before the 555 circuit might be fine
[18:37] <MarkDude> Many cars wont run, since they have computers also, even the *dumb* ones have chips
[18:37] <iheartubuntu> i dont recall my 1974 vw bus having any electronics
[18:38] <iheartubuntu> i miss that too :)
[18:38] <akk> Nearly anything new enough to have fuel injection (except a few of the early Bosch k-jetronic) has a computer.
[18:39]  * kdub thinks the pre-computing timing mechanisms for engines are pretty cool
[18:41] <MarkDude> I agree - the adjustments that are made are crazy
[18:42] <akk> Engines run a lot more efficiently and cleanly with the computer stuff, though.
[18:42]  * MarkDude was a mechanic for a bit, I loved the old trucks and cars- you could pretty much climb into the engine compartment
[18:42] <MarkDude> Not after nuclear fallout
[18:42] <MarkDude> Mad Max situation, you need the older stuff
[18:43] <akk> Sure.
[18:43] <MarkDude> And guns strapped to your car :D
[18:43] <akk> And a source of gasoline, oil, machine tools to make parts, ...
[18:43] <MarkDude> And of course, your endless quest for gasoline
[18:44]  * akk can just see carefully filing down that new replacement carburator jet by hand ...
[18:44]  * MarkDude just imagined himself in that scenario--- wearing the suit of course
[18:44] <MarkDude> Giving the talk humoungous or whatever that dudes name is giving the speech before they attack
[18:45] <MarkDude> Yes I need help :)
[18:45] <akk> A rich fantasy life makes life fun. :)
[18:49] <MarkDude> True.
[18:49]  * MarkDude is not  big fan of boring
[18:52]  * kdub installs faraday cage around car computer
[18:56] <MarkDude> With nuclear fallout- a rate that wont maybe kill you - can kill chips with background radiation
[18:57] <MarkDude> Russian had a bomber that was made with tubes
[19:02] <iheartubuntu> I bet the stereo on that bomber was awesome :)
[19:02] <akk> lol
[19:08] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/705265
[19:08] <pleia2> fix committed, now we just wait for release \o/
[19:10] <akk> Yay!
[19:11] <akk> That was fast.
[19:25] <pleia2> yeah, it's one of the projects I don't feel guilty about telling people to report a bug for since I know it won't get ignored
[19:26] <pleia2> (and you won't need to wait 6 months for the fix to be released, in the next version of the OS)
[19:44] <kdub> i dont know if bugs are actively ignored in most projects, they're just not the most productive thing to do :)
[19:45] <kdub> err, not the most /fun/ and productive
[19:46] <akk> You can argue about why they're ignored but it doesn't change the fact that they're ignored in many projects.
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> prays my ubuntuone paid acct will work with 11.04
[19:49] <kdub> akk: true, never hurts to understand the problem in an attempt to improve the turnaround time
[19:50] <kdub> sounds like a good blog article for me to write about :D
[20:14] <jamie_> hello everyone
[20:15] <pleia2> g'day jamie_
[20:15] <jamie_> hi pleia2 how is your day?
[20:15] <pleia2> jamie_: it's a monday, but not as bad as some so far :) you?
[20:16] <jamie_> how much do you want to hear? :)
[20:17] <pleia2> hehe
[20:18] <jamie_> i got the regular case of the monday crap
[20:18] <MarkDude> Oh speaking of cults, here are some pictures from the loud music show on Sat http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/SeveredFifthJan222011#
[20:18] <pleia2> jamie_: that's no fun
[20:18] <jamie_> spent most of the day on tis project of trying to put ubuntu on a zipit which was a total bust
[20:19] <pleia2> I think my monday is less monday today because I was on call this weekend (and actually had to do some work)
[20:19] <jamie_> oh and my wife told me last night she wants  a divorce
[20:19] <pleia2> jamie_: oh no! I'm sorry
[20:20] <MarkDude> Sorry to hear that
[20:21] <jamie_> its ok i guess i kinda saw it coming but heck of a way to start the week
[20:21]  * pleia2 just had her 2 year divorciversary
[20:29] <mpontillo> =( http://www.amazon.com/dp/0609805797 this is a good book if you think it's recoverable
[20:34] <jamie_> anyone else try doing that zipit thing?
[20:34] <jamie_> pleia2,  congratulations i guess
[20:35] <jamie_> or is it condolences how does that work?
[20:35] <pleia2> a bit of both
[20:35] <pleia2> it was the most painful experience of my life
[20:36] <jamie_> this is my second marriage. ending the first one sucked but im so uch more in to this girl than i was the first.
[20:36] <jamie_> and i have a 10 month old son with her as well
[20:37] <pleia2> wow, that must be difficult
[20:40] <jamie_> its getting there
[20:40] <jamie_> you have any kids pleia2?
[20:40] <pleia2> jamie_: fortunately not
[20:40] <pleia2> I hope to eventually though :)
[20:41] <jamie_> i hope you do some day they can really be a blessing in your life
[21:49] <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/2011/01/24/you-can-be-a-geek-and-still-rock/
[21:49] <MarkDude> Jonos show.
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> I noticed all my files appeared missing on my 8GB USB drive while browsing in Nautilus, but I can see everything if I use Dolphin. Anyone know how to fix this in Nautilus? I hope my drive isnt "going
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> '"going"
[23:23]  * kdub raid-1's all my usb drives (nrly) :)
[23:24] <pleia2> akk: still dislike grub2?
[23:24] <pleia2> debian squeeze defaults to it, which means I officially have to get over my reservations and suck it up
[23:24] <akk> pleia2: Yes -- afaik they haven't fixed any of the problems.
[23:25] <pleia2> siigh
[23:25] <akk> I haven't actually tried it in a while -- it messes up too much stuff to try it casually just to see if they fixed things and nobody mentioned it.
[23:25] <akk> Why do you have to use it?
[23:25] <pleia2> I didn't even realize squeeze defaulted to it until today, I went to look at my menu.list in a new install and got a surprise
[23:26] <akk> Oh, you have to use it because it installed it without asking?
[23:26] <pleia2> at work we like to keep in sync with debian policy as much as possible when it comes to defaults, tends to make upgrade paths and general maintenance easier
[23:27] <akk> It's not that big a deal for machines that only have one system installed.
[23:27] <pleia2> we have at least one server that have been running debian since potato, upgraded from release to release
[23:27] <akk> It's really only a horror if you're trying to maintain several different root partitions/systems on the same machine.
[23:28] <akk> Well, or if you have several kernels -- it does make the boot menu sort of awful even with only one root partition.
[23:28] <pleia2> well, no worries about that here, one kernel, one root partition
[23:28] <pleia2> using software raid and LVM, but that's a whole different layer
[23:29] <pleia2> I was a bit worried about our systems that still run lilo (a lot of them!) but someone revived lilo for squeeze
[23:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yay, tomorrow  finally have a computer again
[23:30] <pleia2> yay :) what happened to the old one?
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> My lappy broke
[23:31] <pleia2> oh right, and you're getting a new one
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> But, I found somone who had an extra laptop and donated it.
[23:31] <pleia2> all coming back to me now
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> I almost turned it dowm
[23:32] <DarkwingDuck> *down
[23:32]  * pleia2 finds http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6991/2/ and now all she wants to do is put fishies on her grub
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> But, I have a good production machine for SCALE
[23:34] <akk> pleia2: Once you get used to a graphical grub screen, the plain one is awfully boring.
[23:34] <kdub> my goal for scale is to have a decent wayland setup running for everyone to see
[23:34] <pleia2> I had a custom lilo years ago
[23:34] <akk> That's from the Monterey Bay Aquarium, btw.
[23:35] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/leiaLiloPhoto.jpg
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'll have KDE, GNome and XFCE on my new system
[23:35] <pleia2> (sorry, yeah, I had gentoo and xp installed back then, I grew out of it!)
[23:35] <akk> pleia2: haha, nice image
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:35] <pleia2> I still need to get down to the Monterey Bay Aquarium
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> We need some spindles
[23:36] <akk> also, "leialilo" sounds much better than "leiagrub"
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> on blank CDs
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> on/of
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> this way we can burn CD if needed
[23:37] <pleia2> erichammond is bringing some
[23:37] <pleia2> it's on the wiki
[23:38] <pleia2> "Bringing 200. Let me know if we might need more."
[23:38] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[23:38] <DarkwingDuck> I'll get back up to speed tomorrow night
[23:39] <kdub> question about scale, is it like an exhibit or something?
[23:39] <pleia2> it's a conference
[23:39] <DarkwingDuck> and Expo
[23:39] <DarkwingDuck> there is a large room with all sorts of booths
[23:39] <DarkwingDuck> and there are talks
[23:40]  * kdub should have probably put a talk together, maybe next time :)
[23:40] <pleia2> akk is speaking :)
[23:42] <kdub> well, even if i don't have a talk to give, i can still have an interesting bleeding edge build on my laptop and try to show it off :)
[23:42] <kdub> akk: what are you speaking about?
[23:43] <akk> kdub: Writing GIMP scripts and plug-ins
[23:43] <DarkwingDuck> Nice Akk
[23:43] <DarkwingDuck> I was going to but decided against it.
[23:53]  * kdub uses gimp. if i were approx. 2 smidgens better, i'd feel better about publishing my works
[23:58]  * MarkDude has never used photoshop-  GIMP serves my purposes well. I hope to see your session akk
[23:59] <DarkwingDuck> Mark, you're going to make it again?
[23:59] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, I better- I have 2 talks there :D
[23:59] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:59] <DarkwingDuck> Will be good to see you again.