[17:38] yo === `Alessio` is now known as quadrispro [18:56] doh, ckontros left already [18:56] hi quadrispro [18:56] hi scott-work ! [18:57] falktx, I'm starting to work on ladish [18:57] quadrispro: nice! [18:57] ailo, holstein, paultag: i made a blueprint for the kernel check/update : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+spec/update-and-add-functionality-in-ubuntustudio-controls [18:57] quadrispro: did you check my package or are you starting from scratch [18:57] ? [18:57] i based it under ubuntustudio-controls because that seemed to make sense, but it doesn't have to stay there if it is better to go somewhere else [18:58] quadrispro: nice! [18:58] falktx, huh, do you have a package? i've been starting from the scratch [18:58] scott-work, yes, hope to upload it to experimental soon [18:58] quadrispro: havent I told you? it's on REVU [18:59] quadrispro: most of the stuff is ready, maybe the copyright needs update [18:59] quadrispro: just make sure you got the latest ladish release ;) [18:59] I see a final 0.3 release, is it the right one? [19:00] quadrispro: yes [19:00] quadrispro: the package on REVU is an old release though [19:00] but it will work with final 0.3 [19:01] ok [19:02] scott-work: im looking at the wishlist [19:02] about the codecs [19:02] is that something that studio needs to answer? [19:02] ive seen that before in #ubuntustudio [19:02] quadrispro: btw, ladish depends on laditools [19:02] holstein: i'm not sure what you are asking [19:03] "i couldnt play mp3's in ubuntu, so i installed ubuntustudio" [19:03] falktx, you call it, what is laditools? [19:03] quadrispro: ladish tools... hm.. [19:03] do we need to provide more than vanilla ubuntu in that regard [19:03] quadrispro: you'll have to package it too. but please use the version in ladish tarball [19:04] i like the way the new installer for vanilla buntu prompts for mp3 codec [19:04] holstein: i think during the new installs you have the option to add "third party applications" [19:04] heh [19:04] we wont get that though right? [19:04] falktx, ok, I've reach'd that :) ah ok, so can I build the laditools binary from the ladish tarball? [19:04] with the alternate installer? [19:04] * quadrispro going to have dinner [19:04] quadrispro: yes, that will work fine [19:04] oh, i think i see what you are asking [19:04] if/when we move to a live CD and installer [19:04] that would be addressed [19:05] as a user, i usually just install ubuntu-restricted-extras [19:05] holstein: to be honest, i don't think the best vector is to have this run or ask anything during the installation [19:05] but i think that is a mis-conception about ubuntustduio [19:05] scott-work: great, thanks :) [19:05] what is it for? [19:06] holstein: i've talked to ailo about it, i think the best thing is to have a script run at a consitent event (say after login) to check the kernel and do the rest [19:06] if i have a large mp3 collection, and i cant play them in ubuntu [19:06] maybe i need ubuntustdudio [19:06] and that is not the case [19:06] scott-work: is someone from kernel on it? ( since it's so easy now? ) [19:06] and i dont think it should be [19:06] BUT thats easy enough to address [19:06] I still think the best would be to include a 3rd party option during installation, if possible [19:06] Like Ubuntu does with mp3 [19:07] paultag: not directly, but we are considering all of the kernels we would isntall to be from PPA [19:07] scott-work: OK [19:07] scott-work: So noone is working on the -controls as such? [19:07] ailo: i agree that it would be nice to isntall 3rd party stuff during installation but i'm not sure it's possible with alternate install currently [19:07] falktx, mmh... 0.3 release tarball seems not to have laditools [19:07] ailo: that is correct, no one is working on -controls currently [19:08] the alternate install needs to be ditched [19:08] quadrispro: use the "complete/full" tarball [19:08] quadrispro: there are 2 [19:08] holstein: it's a decision based on available know-how and manpower [19:08] that would address the mp3 playback issue [19:08] falktx, is there any laditools tarball ready? [19:08] and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892 [19:08] Ubuntu bug 695892 in Ubuntu Studio "no live CD for ubuntustudio" [Wishlist,New] [19:08] quadrispro: yes, but old [19:09] and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774 [19:09] Ubuntu bug 697774 in Ubuntu Studio "cant install ubuntustudio from USB stick" [Undecided,New] [19:09] scottL: If we use -controls with my script, it would make sence to turn it all into python script. I've been learning about this Pythin gui stuff lately [19:09] quadrispro: the one in ladish is known to work, so it's better to use it [19:09] scott-work: what do we need? [19:09] how can i make that happen? [19:09] thats something i would like to see before 12.04 [19:11] falktx, so.. upstream's website, project summary pages... [19:11] falktx, where I can find more information? [19:11] quadrispro: about laditools ? [19:11] holstein: Did you decide on a meeting? [19:11] yes [19:12] quadrispro: http://marcochapeau.org/software/laditools [19:12] falktx, I see a tarball, is it obsolete? [19:12] quadrispro: you can also check #ladi and talk to nedko (he's the author of ladish) [19:12] quadrispro: it's pre-compiled! [19:13] ailo: not yet [19:13] oh no, that's not good [19:14] falktx, I don't have time now, could you please ask nedko to publish a separate tarball? [19:14] holstein: i'm not really sure what is involved in making a live-cd, the best thing i can think of is to start bugging other flavours, xubuntu perhaps, and find someone who knows what is involved [19:14] ok, the dinner is ready [19:14] see you later [19:14] quadrispro: sure [19:15] ailo: cool about the python, i tried reading about it but since i never used it i really didn't learn and retain anything [19:16] scott-work: is it a matter of switching packages? [19:16] paultag: would you know about this? [19:16] falktx has done it [19:17] scott-work: I'll try have something ready by the end of the week. [19:17] holstein: but remember, falktx did it on his computer, not in ubuntu's automatied buildd system [19:17] yeah, but we know its possible [19:17] ailo: cool, does this include any GUI stuff as well? [19:17] it'll be DVD sized [19:17] but thats not a problem [19:18] scott-work: I'm thinking of making the same sort of -controls as before. [19:18] * falktx loves when people talk about me [19:18] holstein: right, it certainly is possible, but i think using falktx as a barometer of what is possible is probably not a good choice, he doesn't have to work within the ubuntu framework [19:18] true [19:18] ailo: absolutely, i think that would be the easist [19:18] i joined #ubuntu-installer [19:19] i'll start there [19:19] and see what i find [19:19] scott-work: and keep you informed :) [19:19] holstein: you might also talk to someone in #xubuntu and see if you can find the guy who adjusts xubuntu for the live cd, since xubuntu and ubuntustudio are both derivatives [19:19] quadrispro: nedko says to use a git commit of laditools - http://repo.or.cz/w/laditools.git [19:19] holstein: cool :) [19:20] blender gets a new UI: http://lxnews.org/2011/01/24/blender-gets-a-ui-refresh/ [19:20] that's awesome [19:20] oh, and if anyone is interested in authoring DVD's, i found a new application in the repositories: dvd-styler [19:21] it's a cross platform program what works better than everything in the repositories in my opinion: http://www.dvdstyler.de/ [19:21] the only one that came close was bombono, but dvd-styler handled menus much, much better [19:22] scott-work: qdvdauthor is the best tool for me [19:22] falktx: qdvdauthor is no longer in the repos for natty :( [19:23] scott-work: qt3 ? [19:23] i had included it in the seeds for natty and when they removed qdvdauthor we started getting emails about packages with uninstallable libraries [19:23] no way! [19:23] falktx: the only thing i saw was in the change log and it said that qdvdauthor was "obsolete" [19:24] ...no comment [19:24] this people is crazy [19:24] falktx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qdvdauthor/+changelog [19:24] deleted in natty: reason (obsolete) [19:25] can i contest? [19:25] i'm really excited about the new blender UI :) [19:25] falktx: i have no idea to be honest [19:26] from webpage "Last updated Jan 10'th 2010 " [19:26] it's not obsolete! [19:27] i hope to have the diff for the plymouth theme uploaded tonight or tomorrow night :) [19:27] they are even starting to make a FLOSS manual for it! [19:29] falktx: you might also check out dvd-styler http://www.dvdstyler.de/ or bombono http://www.bombono.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ as well [19:30] scott-work: it was my tool for my school project 4 months ago! [19:30] scott-work: i made some videos/transition in kdenlive, then the stuff in qdvdauthor, it was a great dvd [19:32] scott-work: I'll open a bug just to request qdvdauthor again... :) [19:32] falktx: i tried openshot to edit and make a dvd, the editing went well but the authoring didn't work so well [19:32] but then again, it was making a .dvd file while i'm not really sure what it is (i assumed it was to be burned to dvd) [19:32] falktx: lol [19:33] re: request qdvdauthor again [19:33] i like blender for editing mainly, because it really is powerful and it can read just about EVERY video format extant [19:33] but i'll be using dvd-styler for authoring from now on [19:34] scott-work: blender2.5 now support jack audio too! [19:34] scott-work: i have it in the new team PPAs [19:34] just try it! [19:34] falktx: yeah, i saw that, that's really cool [19:35] but i admit that i don't really know what i would stream into blender from jack [19:43] * falktx leaves quietly [22:19] wonder why falktx leaft quitely?