[17:38] <ckontros> yo
[18:56] <scott-work> doh, ckontros left already
[18:56] <scott-work> hi quadrispro 
[18:56] <quadrispro> hi scott-work !
[18:57] <quadrispro> falktx, I'm starting to work on ladish
[18:57] <falktx> quadrispro: nice!
[18:57] <scott-work> ailo, holstein, paultag: i made a blueprint for the kernel check/update : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+spec/update-and-add-functionality-in-ubuntustudio-controls
[18:57] <falktx> quadrispro: did you check my package or are you starting from scratch
[18:57] <falktx> ?
[18:57] <scott-work> i based it under ubuntustudio-controls because that seemed to make sense, but it doesn't have to stay there if it is better to go somewhere else
[18:58] <scott-work> quadrispro: nice!
[18:58] <quadrispro> falktx, huh, do you have a package? i've been starting from the scratch
[18:58] <quadrispro> scott-work, yes, hope to upload it to experimental soon
[18:58] <falktx> quadrispro: havent I told you? it's on REVU
[18:59] <falktx> quadrispro: most of the stuff is ready, maybe the copyright needs update
[18:59] <falktx> quadrispro: just make sure you got the latest ladish release ;)
[18:59] <quadrispro> I see a final 0.3 release, is it the right one?
[19:00] <falktx> quadrispro: yes
[19:00] <falktx> quadrispro: the package on REVU is an old release though
[19:00] <falktx> but it will work with final 0.3
[19:01] <quadrispro> ok
[19:02] <holstein> scott-work: im looking at the wishlist
[19:02] <holstein> about the codecs
[19:02] <holstein> is that something that studio needs to answer?
[19:02] <holstein> ive seen that before in #ubuntustudio
[19:02] <falktx> quadrispro: btw, ladish depends on laditools
[19:02] <scott-work> holstein: i'm not sure what you are asking
[19:03] <holstein> "i couldnt play mp3's in ubuntu, so i installed ubuntustudio"
[19:03] <quadrispro> falktx, you call it, what is laditools?
[19:03] <falktx> quadrispro: ladish tools... hm..
[19:03] <holstein> do we need to provide more than vanilla ubuntu in that regard
[19:03] <falktx> quadrispro: you'll have to package it too. but please use the version in ladish tarball 
[19:04] <holstein> i like the way the new installer for vanilla buntu prompts for mp3 codec
[19:04] <scott-work> holstein: i think during the new installs you have the option to add "third party applications" 
[19:04] <scott-work> heh
[19:04] <holstein> we wont get that though right?
[19:04] <quadrispro> falktx, ok, I've reach'd that :) ah ok, so can I build the laditools binary from the ladish tarball?
[19:04] <holstein> with the alternate installer?
[19:04]  * quadrispro going to have dinner
[19:04] <falktx> quadrispro: yes, that will work fine
[19:04] <scott-work> oh, i think i see what you are asking
[19:04] <holstein> if/when we move to a live CD and installer
[19:04] <holstein> that would be addressed
[19:05] <holstein> as a user, i usually just install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:05] <scott-work> holstein: to be honest, i don't think the best vector is to have this run or ask anything during the installation
[19:05] <holstein> but i think that is a mis-conception about ubuntustduio
[19:05] <paultag> scott-work: great, thanks :)
[19:05] <holstein> what is it for?
[19:06] <scott-work> holstein: i've talked to ailo about it, i think the best thing is to have a script run at a consitent event (say after login) to check the kernel and do the rest
[19:06] <holstein> if i have a large mp3 collection, and i cant play them in ubuntu
[19:06] <holstein> maybe i need ubuntustdudio
[19:06] <holstein> and that is not the case
[19:06] <paultag> scott-work: is someone from kernel on it? ( since it's so easy now? )
[19:06] <holstein> and i dont think it should be
[19:06] <holstein> BUT thats easy enough to address
[19:06] <ailo> I still think the best would be to include a 3rd party option during installation, if possible
[19:06] <ailo> Like Ubuntu does with mp3
[19:07] <scott-work> paultag: not directly, but we are considering all of the kernels we would isntall to be from PPA
[19:07] <paultag> scott-work: OK
[19:07] <ailo> scott-work: So noone is working on the -controls as such?
[19:07] <scott-work> ailo: i agree that it would be nice to isntall 3rd party stuff during installation but i'm not sure it's possible with alternate install currently
[19:07] <quadrispro> falktx, mmh... 0.3 release tarball seems not to have laditools
[19:07] <scott-work> ailo: that is correct, no one is working on -controls currently
[19:08] <holstein> the alternate install needs to be ditched
[19:08] <falktx> quadrispro: use the "complete/full" tarball
[19:08] <falktx> quadrispro: there are 2
[19:08] <scott-work> holstein: it's a decision based on available know-how and manpower
[19:08] <holstein> that would address the mp3 playback issue
[19:08] <quadrispro> falktx, is there any laditools tarball ready?
[19:08] <holstein> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892
[19:08] <falktx> quadrispro: yes, but old
[19:09] <holstein> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774
[19:09] <ailo> scottL: If we use -controls with my script, it would make sence to turn it all into python script. I've been learning about this Pythin gui stuff lately
[19:09] <falktx> quadrispro: the one in ladish is known to work, so it's better to use it
[19:09] <holstein> scott-work: what do we need?
[19:09] <holstein> how can i make that happen?
[19:09] <holstein> thats something i would like to see before 12.04
[19:11] <quadrispro> falktx, so.. upstream's website, project summary pages... 
[19:11] <quadrispro> falktx, where I can find more information?
[19:11] <falktx> quadrispro: about laditools ?
[19:11] <ailo> holstein: Did you decide on a meeting?
[19:11] <quadrispro> yes
[19:12] <falktx> quadrispro: http://marcochapeau.org/software/laditools
[19:12] <quadrispro> falktx, I see a tarball, is it obsolete?
[19:12] <falktx> quadrispro: you can also check #ladi and talk to nedko (he's the author of ladish)
[19:12] <falktx> quadrispro: it's pre-compiled!
[19:13] <holstein> ailo: not yet
[19:13] <quadrispro> oh no, that's not good
[19:14] <quadrispro> falktx, I don't have time now, could you please ask nedko to publish a separate tarball?
[19:14] <scott-work> holstein: i'm not really sure what is involved in making a live-cd, the best thing i can think of is to start bugging other flavours, xubuntu perhaps, and find someone who knows what is involved
[19:14] <quadrispro> ok, the dinner is ready
[19:14] <quadrispro> see you later
[19:14] <falktx> quadrispro: sure
[19:15] <scott-work> ailo: cool about the python, i tried reading about it but since i never used it i really didn't learn and retain anything
[19:16] <holstein> scott-work: is it a matter of switching packages?
[19:16] <holstein> paultag: would you know about this?
[19:16] <holstein> falktx has done it
[19:17] <ailo> scott-work: I'll try have something ready by the end of the week. 
[19:17] <scott-work> holstein:  but remember, falktx did it on his computer, not in ubuntu's automatied buildd system
[19:17] <holstein> yeah, but we know its possible
[19:17] <scott-work> ailo: cool, does this include any GUI stuff as well?
[19:17] <holstein> it'll be DVD sized
[19:17] <holstein> but thats not a problem
[19:18] <ailo> scott-work: I'm thinking of making the same sort of -controls as before. 
[19:18]  * falktx loves when people talk about me
[19:18] <scott-work> holstein: right, it certainly is possible, but i think using falktx as a barometer of what is possible is probably not a good choice, he doesn't have to work within the ubuntu framework
[19:18] <holstein> true
[19:18] <scott-work> ailo: absolutely, i think that would be the easist
[19:18] <holstein> i joined #ubuntu-installer
[19:19] <holstein> i'll start there
[19:19] <holstein> and see what i find
[19:19] <holstein> scott-work: and keep you informed :)
[19:19] <scott-work> holstein: you might also talk to someone in #xubuntu and see if you can find the guy who adjusts xubuntu for the live cd, since xubuntu and ubuntustudio are both derivatives
[19:19] <falktx> quadrispro: nedko says to use a git commit of laditools - http://repo.or.cz/w/laditools.git
[19:19] <scott-work> holstein: cool :)
[19:20] <scott-work> blender gets a new UI:  http://lxnews.org/2011/01/24/blender-gets-a-ui-refresh/
[19:20] <scott-work> that's awesome
[19:20] <scott-work> oh, and if anyone is interested in authoring DVD's, i found a new application in the repositories:  dvd-styler
[19:21] <scott-work> it's a cross platform program what works better than everything in the repositories in my opinion:  http://www.dvdstyler.de/
[19:21] <scott-work> the only one that came close was bombono, but dvd-styler handled menus much, much better
[19:22] <falktx> scott-work: qdvdauthor is the best tool for me
[19:22] <scott-work> falktx: qdvdauthor is no longer in the repos for natty :(
[19:23] <falktx> scott-work: qt3 ?
[19:23] <scott-work> i had included it in the seeds for natty and when they removed qdvdauthor we started getting emails about packages with uninstallable libraries
[19:23] <falktx> no way!
[19:23] <scott-work> falktx: the only thing i saw was in the change log and it said that qdvdauthor was "obsolete"
[19:24] <falktx> ...no comment
[19:24] <falktx> this people is crazy
[19:24] <scott-work> falktx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qdvdauthor/+changelog
[19:24] <scott-work> deleted in natty: reason (obsolete)
[19:25] <falktx> can i contest?
[19:25] <scott-work> i'm really excited about the new blender UI :)
[19:25] <scott-work> falktx: i have no idea to be honest
[19:26] <falktx> from webpage "Last updated Jan 10'th 2010 "
[19:26] <falktx> it's not obsolete!
[19:27] <scott-work> i hope to have the diff for the plymouth theme uploaded tonight or tomorrow night :)
[19:27] <falktx> they are even starting to make a FLOSS manual for it!
[19:29] <scott-work> falktx: you might also check out dvd-styler http://www.dvdstyler.de/ or bombono http://www.bombono.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ as well
[19:30] <falktx> scott-work: it was my tool for my school project 4 months ago!
[19:30] <falktx> scott-work: i made some videos/transition in kdenlive, then the stuff in qdvdauthor, it was a great dvd
[19:32] <falktx> scott-work: I'll open a bug just to request qdvdauthor again... :)
[19:32] <scott-work> falktx: i tried openshot to edit and make a dvd, the editing went well but the authoring didn't work so well
[19:32] <scott-work> but then again, it was making a .dvd file while i'm not really sure what it is (i assumed it was to be burned to dvd)
[19:32] <scott-work> falktx: lol
[19:33] <scott-work> re: request qdvdauthor again
[19:33] <scott-work> i like blender for editing mainly, because it really is powerful and it can read just about EVERY video format extant
[19:33] <scott-work> but i'll be using dvd-styler for authoring from now on
[19:34] <falktx> scott-work: blender2.5 now support jack audio too!
[19:34] <falktx> scott-work: i have it in the new team PPAs
[19:34] <falktx> just try it!
[19:34] <scott-work> falktx: yeah, i saw that, that's really cool
[19:35] <scott-work> but i admit that i don't really know what i would stream into blender from jack
[19:43]  * falktx leaves quietly
[22:19] <scott-work> wonder why falktx leaft quitely?