[15:27] <micahg> xubuntu-docs in lucid-proposed ready for testing :)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:54] <ochosi> hi charlie-tca 
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Still got the themes issue in Natty. It will not stay in the selected theme.
[15:58] <mr_pouit> if it shows the ugly dark grey thingy with rectangles everywhere, it's not a theme, it's gtk's default uglyness
[15:59] <ochosi> :)
[15:59] <mr_pouit> (meaning, xfsettingsd might have crashed, or you're missing a gtk theme engine)
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Even the live cd?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> this is the light grey theme, both gtk and xfwm 
[16:00] <charlie-tca> It also affects the mouse cursor
[16:01] <mr_pouit> could you make a screenshot?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> it is xfsettingsd
[16:01] <mr_pouit> if nothing is themed, xfsettingsd has probably crashed yeah
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I just ran it in terminal, and the greybird theme came up. Mouse cursor changed, too
[16:02] <charlie-tca> that means it is crashing as soon as the desktop starts
[16:02] <charlie-tca> on installs and the live desktop
[16:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: xubuntu-docs in lucid-proposed ready for testing :)
[16:04] <charlie-tca> will get that today, micahg 
[16:04] <charlie-tca> thanks
[16:38] <mr_pouit> I tried the daily live in vbox, and the theme is there
[16:38] <mr_pouit> no crash
[16:39] <charlie-tca> hm, I will try today's image then. Yesterday it failed
[16:43] <charlie-tca> It's been failing for several days, screenshot from a few days ago
[16:43] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit : screenshot at http://imagebin.org/133250
[16:45] <mr_pouit> :q
[16:46] <charlie-tca> I will run the images later today. I have to try the lucid docs, too
[17:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I think we have to keep thunderbird for email. Claws-mail just is not as easy to use 
[17:29] <charlie-tca> and for those who really need to save that little bit of memory, send them to Lubuntu
[17:34] <ochosi> charlie-tca: you're referring to the latest comment on the ml?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> yes. I think we are going to stay with thunderbird
[17:35] <ochosi> right, i don't mind so much
[17:35] <charlie-tca> gmusic?? and browser is up in the air. I don't really care either way
[17:35] <ochosi> mmh
[17:35] <charlie-tca> But I am pretty determined on thunderbird. Claws-mail just is not as easy for users 
[17:35] <ochosi> well, the main advantage of gmusicbrowser is the responsive/friendly upstream and that i'm working on it i guess
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Is it in the repositories already?
[17:36] <ochosi> browser, well, i would trust others with the choice, integration is definitely not a problem
[17:36] <ochosi> charlie-tca: check out the shimmer ppa for the latest version
[17:36] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:36] <ochosi> it's natty-ready ;)
[17:36] <charlie-tca> browser we are letting the discussion run until we see which way it leans
[17:36] <ochosi> ppa:shimmerproject/ppa
[17:37] <charlie-tca> I just didn't want you to get too much hope up for claws-mail
[17:37]  * charlie-tca uses claws-mail, too
[17:37] <ochosi> i don't mind so much, i personally use/love it, but i can see why people wouldn't
[17:37] <charlie-tca> I don't really like thunderbird enough to use it
[17:37] <ochosi> :)
[17:37] <charlie-tca> but in configuring it, it wins
[17:38] <ochosi> probably, i've never tried version3
[17:38] <charlie-tca> heh, I wish I could say that
[17:38] <ochosi> btw, one more thing i like about gmusicbrowser: it can use gstreamer as backend, meaning it'll share the same backend with parole meaning less extra dependencies
[17:38] <charlie-tca> setting it up with 10 email addresses and a ton of mailing lists took a couple of days
[17:39] <ochosi> hehe
[17:39] <ochosi> okeydokey, gotta run now
[17:39] <ochosi> looking forward to some gmusicbrowser feedback
[17:39] <ochosi> c u
[17:41] <charlie-tca> thanks
[19:15] <charlie-tca> micahg: found an issue when verifying bug 650806
[19:15] <charlie-tca> all references to www.xubuntu.org fail on the page
[19:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: why did you mark verification-done then?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> they are entered as "file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/www.xubuntu.org" which will not work. It needs to be "http:www.xubuntu.org"
[19:16] <charlie-tca> cause the original bug is fixed
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Do I add that to the bug or open a new one?
[19:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: oh, this is a new bug?, please file a new bug, tag regression -proposed and have bookemdano get me a fixed branch as soon as possible
[19:17] <micahg> oops, no space in the tag
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Okay, I can do that
[19:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: is this a regression, or a new bug introduced?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> AFAIK, new bug introduced
[19:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, let me ask pitti then
[19:18] <charlie-tca> but I can not say for sure
[19:18] <micahg> hmm...
[19:20]  * charlie-tca doesn't read the docs each release, and doesn't really know if it was there before or not
[19:24] <micahg> charlie-tca: you could downgrade to the release version and see if it's there :)
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Let me go look
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I have 4 bugs I am verifying, will look in another install
[19:27] <charlie-tca> micahg: new bug. The section has been almost completely re-written
[19:27] <micahg> ok, I think that's a pretty big bug though, right?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> well, Since that is what is being used to test a network connection that failed, ...
[19:28] <charlie-tca> wait a minut
[19:29] <charlie-tca> minor issue. It is a misprint to have it as a link
[19:30] <charlie-tca> It is simply supposed to be a reference to use for ping tests. as in "www.xubuntu.org" instead of a link
[19:30] <micahg> ah, ok
[19:30] <charlie-tca> used as "to ping www.xubuntu.org" 
[19:31] <charlie-tca> doesn't really count for anything
[19:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: so we shouldn't fix?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> well, if we have time, sure, let's fix it. But it is really an annoyance
[19:33] <charlie-tca> I don't want to not get these docs in for that, though. They are really nice
[19:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, file the bug and I"ll get pitti to look at it
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Okay.
[19:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[19:34] <charlie-tca> thank you 
[19:35] <charlie-tca> It helps to have someone working with us
[19:39] <micahg> charlie-tca: glad to help :)
[19:40] <charlie-tca> docs verified for lucid
[19:40] <micahg> cool
[20:28] <charlie-tca> micahg: I guess I should let you know, we are keeping Thunderbird.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> micahg: I gave up answering all those who insist we have to get rid of xulrunner
[20:46] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks, I thought I was clear on the xulrunner issue :)
[20:46] <cody-somerville> hey folks
[20:46] <charlie-tca> you were, I think. 
[20:46] <cody-somerville> how are things?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Hello, cody-somerville 
[20:46] <micahg> hi cody-somerville
[20:46] <charlie-tca> been keeping busy
[20:47] <charlie-tca> We are going to have updated 10.04 docs in .2
[20:47] <cody-somerville> its been a crazy month so far for me. I see a lot of stuff go through my mailbox but haven't had a chance to read yet.
[20:47] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, sweet :)
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Oh, I don't know if they will be translated, though
[20:49] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: seems like you are still spread a bit thin... You could really use a double
[20:52] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, lol. so I'm told.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: we announced the greybird theme for Natty this week
[21:02] <cody-somerville> is that an entirely new theme or just a big improvement on top of the new one introduced last release?
[21:03] <charlie-tca> grey instead of black/blue of the last release
[21:03] <charlie-tca> same icon set
[21:03] <charlie-tca> and panel arrangement changed
[21:04] <charlie-tca> xfce 4.8 gives us more ability to play with panels
[21:05] <charlie-tca> The theme itself is a change in the bluebird of 10.10
[21:07] <cody-somerville> Cool, ok.