[04:47] <clavin12> hello?
[10:34] <bsdestroyer> hello. there is by default no Xorg config file?
[10:36] <psycho_oreos> yup
[10:36] <bsdestroyer> my X sets up by default 16bpp for my screen
[10:36] <bsdestroyer> I'd like to try to change that to 24
[10:36] <psycho_oreos> you could get xorg to dump the config file for you to hack away
[10:37] <bsdestroyer> how do you do that?
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> Xorg -configure
[10:42] <bsdestroyer> ok. other question: could what I just mentionned (being in 16bpp) be responsible for problems I experience with wine? namely, crashing on any app start. (even wine configuration tool causes X to reboot)
[10:50] <psycho_oreos> its a little hard to say when you're dealing with wine, have you asked in their support channels yet?
[11:58] <bazhang> !appdb | bsdestroyer
[11:58] <bazhang> bsdestroyer, /join #winehq
[12:06] <bsdestroyer> ok so.. it appears i have a prob with /dev/fb0 too, anyway, cannot get into any VT to run the Xorg -configure command
[12:09] <bsdestroyer> ideas?
[12:27] <bsdestroyer> hello?
[12:37] <bazhang> bsdestroyer, better to explain exactly what you are trying to do
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> i want to set up 24bpp instead of 16bpp for my screen
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> someone suggested to generaate Xorg's config file with Xorg -configure so I could hack it manually
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> but, I cannot run that command, or any command outside of X
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> X is all that works on this laptop it seems, virtual terminal F1-F6 are not functionnal, I suspect because of broken/missing framebuffer stuff
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> so i'm stuck
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> that would be 2 problems so. fix Xorg, and fix virtual terminals
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> running Xorg -configure while X is running, doesn't work also
[12:43] <bsdestroyer> bazhang: there that is my prob :P
[12:45] <bsdestroyer> did my messages make it through?
[12:46] <bazhang> bsdestroyer, change the framebuffer?
[12:46] <bsdestroyer> i'm not familiar with this stuff.. there are different framebuffers? how do you mean?
[12:47] <bazhang> bsdestroyer, not sure how that is connected to your screen resolution; you cannot get to a tty? is this in virtualbox or the like?
[12:47] <bsdestroyer> i got default xubuntu 10.10 install on this old laptop with poor gpu (savage driver iirc)
[12:48] <bsdestroyer> no, its on the actual hardware
[12:48] <bsdestroyer> not VM
[12:49] <bsdestroyer> pressing ctrl-alt-F1 doesnt bring me to a terminal as it hsould, but to garbled screen
[12:52] <bsdestroyer> going back to F7 would also cause Xorg crash/reboot
[12:52] <bsdestroyer> erm.. whats the new location for /etc/inittab!??
[12:53] <bazhang> !upstart
[12:53] <bsdestroyer> bazhang: you have more info about changing the framebuffer? i dont even know what it means
[12:54] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#grub
[13:46] <fmax30> how do i change the processor speed in xubuntu(using a pentium m) ?
[13:57] <Harry> Hello!!!
[14:03] <brot> fmax30: if your processor supports it it should work out of box
[14:06] <histo> does 11.04 have xfce 4.8
[14:06] <bazhang> histo, #ubuntu+1 for natty please
[14:06] <histo> Trying to figure something out with 4.8. If you browse to a samba share and gvfs mounts it. Thunar doesn't show it as a mount. It's not put on the desktop etc...
[14:07] <histo> bazhang: the guys in #ubuntu+1 don't use xfce
[14:07] <bazhang> histo, sure they do.  its all natty related question, lxde kde4 xfce4 etc
[14:18] <Guest17533> I got a problem with the network manager. Basicly i got no nm-appalet (xbuntu 10.4)
[14:55] <bsdestroyer> it seems I messed my X even more, which is weird because I did not edit any file
[15:00] <bsdestroyer> all I did was go to tty, stop gdm, and run startx with different bitdepth
[15:00] <bsdestroyer> now, after reboot, I can't login as usual in gdm, it causes X to reboot instantly
[15:01] <bsdestroyer> this happens since i tried the different bitdepth
[15:03] <bsdestroyer> also now, the startx thing is said above fails too for that user
[15:04] <bsdestroyer> but works for other user (root)
[15:06] <bsdestroyer> log talks about ddxGiveUp in the end
[15:06] <bsdestroyer> ermf
[15:10] <bsdestroyer> i'm pissed
[15:12] <epdv> Hello! I want to install Xubuntu 10.10 alternate, but couldn't find any installation instructions. :-(
[15:13] <bsdestroyer> first time i hear about it.
[15:13] <bsdestroyer> what is it?
[15:15] <epdv> Especially, should support LVM and other special features.
[15:15] <Sysi> text-based installer
[15:15] <Sysi> it's pretty simple
[15:15] <Sysi> basic debian installer afaik
[15:16] <epdv> Are there any instructions available?
[15:17] <bsdestroyer> I always hated X
[15:18] <epdv> It's funny to have a link for bug reporting but none for installing ... probably I first should report about missing docs?
[15:19] <Sysi> basic installation is about just pressing enter
[15:19] <Sysi> i guess there's different docs for LVM and such
[15:23] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/index.html
[15:23] <epdv> Hm, I wanted what to do before installing, not to ask when I've probably already made some bad things.
[15:24] <Sysi> see url above
[15:26] <epdv> Thank You, that's at least a starting point (which I couldn't find using google - too many unrelated docs).
[15:26] <epdv> BTW, You're too quick for me - I'm still thinking how to tell You sth. while You're already answering, sorry.
[15:27] <epdv> Thank You very much, going to read :-)
[15:28] <Sysi> nice exception i could say
[16:26] <bigbrovar> hi guys I am considering xfce as a desktop enviroment. just need to ask some questions about it.  does xubuntu ship pulse audio by default? and is it possible to use the msg indicator on xubuntu?
[16:27] <Sysi> pulseaudio is shipped but pavucontrol isn't, dunno about "social media", somebody other maybe does
[16:31] <bigbrovar> sysi the msg indicator is not a social media app. its an applet on ubuntu which agregated incoming msges  from IM and email clients agregating them into one notifier
[16:32] <bigbrovar> its also available on kubuntu
[16:32] <Sysi> gnome panel plugins work with xfapplet, it it works on systray it will also
[16:37] <bigbrovar> sysi thanks. But are there any over head of running gnome applets in xfce? do I loose integeration?
[16:37] <Sysi> i'd guess not very much
[17:13] <bigbrovar> Has anyone tried running xfce 4.8 on Xubuntu using the packages made available for  10.10
[17:14] <bigbrovar> how smooth was the upgrade?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> where did you find 10.10 packages for xfce 4.8?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> AFAIK, to upgrade 10.10 to Xfce4.8, you have to compile the packages yourself
[17:58] <bigbrovar> charlie-tca: funny there are packages for 10.04 weird
[17:59] <Sysi> LTS
[18:04] <charlie-tca> bigbrovar: where did you find them?
[18:06] <bigbrovar> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/~alexx2000/+archive/xfce
[18:06] <charlie-tca> It's unofficial ppa.
[18:06] <charlie-tca> apparently, alexx2000 really wanted to use xfce4.8 in 10.04
[18:06] <bigbrovar> charlie-tca: yeah it is
[18:07] <bigbrovar> doubt there would be official packages anytime soon
[18:07] <bigbrovar> guess so