[00:00] <Pendulum> I wonder if we could do a "buddy testing" sort of thing. Where people who would like to test, but can't break their systems due to a11y reasons, get a friend or work with a general tester one-on-one to test a11y
[00:02] <Pendulum> maybe having some people willing to do the guiding from the a11y side might get people over the "I don't understand a11y" hump more than test cases alone
[00:02] <charlie-tca> That might work. It's a good idea
[00:03] <charlie-tca> dasher is not working good either in natty
[00:03] <Pendulum> I expect dasher to be a mess in Unity
[00:03] <charlie-tca> well, that seems about right so far. I tried it again today
[00:03] <Pendulum> I'm still trying to figure out how to get my hands on a machine that I can break
[00:04] <charlie-tca> It works fine, as long as you don't expect it to print any letters out
[00:06] <charlie-tca> heh, we just keep trying
[00:07] <Pendulum> does it work in non-direct mode?
[00:07] <Pendulum> (don't know if you've tried both)
[00:07] <charlie-tca> not at all today
[00:07] <charlie-tca> I got the letters to zoom, though
[00:08] <charlie-tca> direct and non-direct both failed
[00:08] <Pendulum> *nods*
[00:09] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Yeah but Debian's testing doesn't really appear to be that visible to me, or I am just not looking harde enough.
[00:09] <Pendulum> TheMuso: I did wonder about that.
[00:09] <Pendulum> I'm starting a thread on gnome-a11y to ask what other distros do because I'm curious since they claim to test
[00:10] <TheMuso> Ok.
[00:11] <Pendulum> (I'm copying it to ubuntu-accessibility to see if anyone of the lurkers there have ideas)
[00:11] <TheMuso> ok
[00:12] <mhall119> Pendulum: a better tweet might be "dows anybody know of a distro that gets a11y tested fully?"
[00:12] <TheMuso> Its worth mentioning that someone tried to subscribe to ubuntu-accessibility by emailing subscribe in the subject to the list address. I sent them a mail to put them in the right direction.
[00:12] <Pendulum> okay
[00:14] <Pendulum> btw, am I the only person who always wants to pronounce a11y as ally?
[00:14] <MichelleQ> erm, nope, I do
[00:14] <TheMuso> Personally I'd rather use accessibility everywhere, but even I have started using a11y when writing, something I am not proud of. :p
[00:14] <Pendulum> heh
[00:14] <TheMuso> Y say accessibility when talking
[00:14] <TheMuso> s/Y/I/
[00:15] <Pendulum> I use a11y more when typing because of my hands hurting
[00:15] <TheMuso> Understandable.
[00:16]  * charlie-tca thought he was the only one disliking a11y in place of accessibility
[00:17] <Pendulum> I also like it on twitter, but that's just because 140 characters is often fewer than I need ;)
[00:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[00:19] <maco> Pendulum: i read it as "ally" frequently but have been known to say eh eleven why out loud
[00:20] <Pendulum> maco: congrats on job!
[00:20] <maco> Pendulum: thanks!
[00:35] <charlie-tca> I am sorry, Pendulum. This does not seem to be one of my positive days
[00:36] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: it's okay :)
[15:35] <fregl> hi, does anyone here have at-spi2 running?
[16:28] <hajour> hai fregl :)
[16:30] <hajour> i am not a programmer so i don't no what that is but maybe AlanBell  or cprofitt  knows it
[16:30] <hajour> iff i pinged the wrong persons then very sorry for that :)
[16:32] <Pendulum> fregl: TheMuso might have at-spi2 running, but he's asleep right now. API might also have it (dunno if he's still working, though, either)
[16:33] <fregl> yep, I'm currentyl trying to get something to work on natty
[16:33] <Pendulum> hahaha
[16:33] <fregl> but I was hoping to start from a "works a bit" base
[16:33] <Pendulum> there is no a11y on Natty yet
[16:33] <Pendulum> TheMuso & co. are in the process of getting it written and working now
[16:33] <Pendulum> (essentially the framework isn't there yet)
[16:34] <fregl> Pendulum: how so? at least at-spi1 should work I thought?
[16:34] <Pendulum> fregl: Unity is not Gnome based and in the past the a11y framework was set-up on the Gnome level of things so was there for Ubuntu
[16:34] <API> fregl, well, yes I have at-spi2 running
[16:35] <API> anyway, AFAIK, natty will still use at-spi
[16:35] <Pendulum> so they're having to write the framework for apt-spi and at-spi2 to talk to within Natty
[16:35] <fregl> API: ok, that is what I was hoping
[16:35] <fregl> API: anything special for at-spi2? or do I just use system packages?
[16:36] <fregl> also accerciser keeps crashing
[16:36] <Pendulum> API: feel free to correct me on if I'm wrong with what I'm saying about the framework and the lack of a11y in Natty
[16:36] <fregl> uhhh, I just had orca repeating "preferences" in an endless loop :D almost annoying...
[16:37] <fregl> what is the best way to debug apps/d-bus? I'm currently looking at d-feet, but that is not really the right tool
[16:37] <API> fregl, any error message on accerciser?
[16:39] <API> fregl, ah ok, I already had that issue
[16:39] <fregl> API: http://pastebin.com/SFSQ7Z2T
[16:39]  * API checking mail
[16:39] <API> urgh
[16:39] <API> fregl, about your last pastebin
[16:39] <API> it seems that you are using the old pythong bindings
[16:40] <API> as it shows bonobo warnings
[16:40] <API> at-spi2 requires pyatspi2
[16:40] <fregl> let me check
[16:40] <API> that doesn't use bonobo
[16:41] <fregl> ah, I have both installed
[16:41] <fregl> can I remove the pyatspi 1?
[16:41] <fregl> seems like it
[16:42] <API> fregl, not required, AFAIK, you could have both on the system
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: I am trying to test that dasher bug of yours
[16:42] <API> anyway, fregl sorry, but I need to go other place
[16:42] <fregl> API: thanks, one step further, now I get: ImportError: No module named pyatspi.constants
[16:42] <fregl> hehe
[16:43] <fregl> and orca doesn't manager to importa pyatspi at all
[16:46] <hajour> o its something from orca is i have good understand it ?
[16:46] <fregl> I doubt that this works, afaik I need the old pyatspi which makes use of the dbus stuff in the pyatspi2 package
[17:50] <moza> hello
[17:50] <AlanBell> hi moza 
[17:57] <fregl> ok, so I can start accerciser from the build dir but not after installing it...
[17:58] <AlanBell> nigelb: wotcha, how is goa?
[17:59] <moza> i arrive there on the advice of #ubuntu-women :) i'm a ubuntu user and i work on non-visual HCI directed toward visually impaired people.
[18:00] <AlanBell> that is great moza, welcome to the team
[18:01] <moza> i'm not sure i'll be part of the team, but i'll start by being part of the channel if it is ok :)
[18:03] <AlanBell> :)
[18:06] <moza> but thank you :)
[18:48] <AlanBell> bug 599206
[18:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599206 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main "Typo in "protanopia" color filter" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599206
[18:57] <AlanBell> that is fixed in Natty
[18:58] <Pendulum> moza: of course it's okay :)
[18:59] <moza> :)
[19:01] <Pendulum> moza: can I ask where you work? (just curious to know where it's happening :) )
[19:01] <moza> I work in Sweden
[19:01] <moza> in the Certec team at the university of Lund
[19:02] <Pendulum> ah, cool :)
[19:09] <AlanBell> o/ Pendulum 
[19:09] <Pendulum> hi AlanBell :)
[19:10] <AlanBell> I have been doing some work on the Faisal persona blog post
[19:10] <AlanBell> and my haggis is nearly cooked
[19:10] <Pendulum> no haggis for me :(
[19:11] <Pendulum> I wonder if I can get away with scotch later and not choke on it...
[19:11] <moza> i've heard you're looking at personas?
[19:11] <AlanBell> we are
[19:12] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas
[19:12] <AlanBell> this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Faisal is nearly done
[19:13] <moza> i'll keep an eye on that and contribute if i can :)
[20:17] <hajour> AlanBell,  why the piece by faisall is left out from taping something heavy on the wrist ?
[20:18] <hajour> or binding?
[20:19] <hajour> he has that arthritis
[20:20] <hajour> i had put that in i had informed that by my mother.she has the same disease
[20:20] <hajour> Pendulum,  do you now why maybe?
[20:21] <hajour> and i have the first symptoms from it to. its in the family by me
[20:22] <AlanBell> hajour: because I haven't finished it yet, I started copying from the wiki and I haven't incorporated your additions made to the etherpad
[20:22] <AlanBell> and the wiki was an earlier version than the etherpad
[20:23] <AlanBell> I will pull in the additional text, but I don't want the short sentence structures in the blog post, but will try and use them in a secondary format or something
[20:23] <hajour> a  ok very sorry then AlanBell  will you accept my apology ?
[20:23] <AlanBell> of course hajour :)
[20:23] <hajour> ok :)
[20:25] <hajour> can i put some help in with the persona s  or is it already finished ?have not yet looked from the time from the last meeting
[20:25] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[20:25] <hajour> i got time now
[20:25] <AlanBell> yes, but not Faisal at the moment
[20:25] <hajour> wich you want first to be worked on AlanBell ?
[20:26] <AlanBell> how about Henrietta
[20:26] <AlanBell> I wanted the short simplified sentences for that one
[20:27] <hajour> ok i go look to it now :)
[20:28] <hajour> i first go look or i can find it.from the last reinstalls.everything is moved on my eeepc 
[20:28] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/henrietta
[20:32] <UndiFineD> I think I found the conference hotel for UDS-O
[20:37] <hajour> well i we cant afford to pay a hotel . and i want to be sure that i can be useful
[20:44] <hajour> i am still puzzling to yes and no's for to go to the conference.in financial and or i can be useful.and if i can over win my biggest barrier  to speak to so lot of people i not personally know
[20:45] <hajour> my fear to do that i mean
[20:46] <Pendulum> My general theory is that anyone who thinks they might want to be there, might as well apply for sponsorship
[20:46] <Pendulum> (if they don't work for Canonical ;) )
[20:48] <Pendulum> if the people who vote on sponsorship think you should be there, they'll vote you in. If they don't you then have to decide if you can afford it on your own or get where you work to pay or whether you'd be okay participating remotely.
[20:48] <Pendulum> Once you get there, I found it a good group of people for someone who is shy
[20:57] <AlanBell> UDS is friendly
[20:59] <Pendulum> yep
[20:59] <Pendulum> but also lets you be friendly on your terms
[21:09] <hajour> well people had said to go to there to me
[21:10] <hajour> sorry for late response .i was busy to dig up some information by to read about it for the henrietta persona
[21:10] <Pendulum> hajour: I definitely think you should apply for sponsorship and to make it there if you can. I just can't garantee that you'll get sponsorship.
[21:11] <hajour> i don't think i can go there.i already get help from someone to pay my medicine.
[21:12] <Pendulum> *nods*
[21:12] <hajour> and i am so terrible to write that sort of mails for asking what cost so much
[21:13] <Pendulum> Sponsorship will pay for food, hotel, and travel if you get it. If you apply and get it and then can't go, you can tell them that. I'm happy to talk through the process once the sponsorship application is out (probably not for another month)
[21:13] <hajour> always thinking that someone else could have more on that
[21:14] <Pendulum> and part of what I like about the way it's done with Canonical is that really what you talk about is what you do and why UDS helps you do it
[21:14] <Pendulum> (or would help you do it)
[21:16] <moza> What is UDS?
[21:16] <Pendulum> the Ubuntu Developer Summit
[21:16] <Pendulum> every 6 months a whole bunch of people do work on Ubuntu and related to Ubuntu get together and plan what's going to happen for the next release cycle
[21:17] <hajour> well i sometimes also not know the words in English also a problem
[21:17] <hajour> i cant put the words on the laptop for look it up then
[21:18] <Pendulum> hajour: kinouchou was at the Brussels UDS and she speaks less English than you do (I think). 
[21:18] <Pendulum> Anyway, it's not a decision you'd have to make now.
[21:19] <hajour> Pendulum,  do you think i really could be helpful there?
[21:19] <Pendulum> moza: it's a broad definition for developer, though. I've been twice and I've never written any code for Ubuntu ;)
[21:20] <Pendulum> hajour: I think you could have a new perspective that people there haven't seen before and it would be good to have.
[21:20] <hajour> mmm ok
[21:21] <hajour> also i cant eat food with chemicals in it.
[21:21] <Pendulum> I have no idea if the people who decide sponsorship would agree, but I do strongly believe in trying for it and seeing what happens
[21:22] <hajour> some from them i could be die from
[21:22] <moza> ok, thanks for the explanation Pendulum :)
[21:22] <hajour> i have troubles sometimes also with the short cuts moza :)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> I am hoping to get to go to UDS again
[21:23] <Pendulum> hajour: I can honestly say they've been very helpful on my physical access needs and I know some people with dietary needs who've had luck.
[21:24] <Pendulum> I have no idea what things will be like for the Budapest hotel, though
[21:24] <kinouchou> Pendulum hi
[21:24] <Pendulum> hi kinouchou :)
[21:24] <hajour> then i have to know it 2 months before because i need a special passport because of my medicine.i dont want to come in jail
[21:24] <Pendulum> that might be the hardest bit
[21:24] <kinouchou> hajour: where you live?
[21:24] <hajour> my meds fall under the drug law
[21:25] <hajour> netherlands
[21:25] <kinouchou> oki
[21:25] <kinouchou> moza: you came at FOSDEM?
[21:25] <hajour> there is 6 weeks before needed but sometimes it takes longer to get it.so thats why 2 months
[21:26] <moza> kinouchou, no, not at all. I'm not that much going to open-source conferences. i've been to conferences on haptics and i'll probably go to conferences on HCI if i get papers published...
[21:26] <kinouchou> :(
[21:26] <moza> but i guess i could try open-source conferences next year, after my mid-PhD exam, if i get something published around open-source.
[21:27] <moza> around participatory design. i'll have to think about it.
[21:28] <kinouchou> Pendulum: I go to FOSDEM for ubuntu'ss booth and accessibility's booth
[21:29] <Pendulum> kinouchou: that's wonderful!
[21:29] <hajour> moza,  you work on visually impaired people i saw 
[21:29] <kinouchou> for ubuntu it's with ubuntu-be and ubuntu-hl
[21:29] <moza> yes hajour :)
[21:29] <Pendulum> hajour: I just realised I have no idea if any of my meds would be an issue entering hungry because I've never been asked about them entering any other border.
[21:30] <moza> for VIP :) very important personalities :)
[21:31] <hajour> well i would suretenly look in it or you need a medical passport Pendulum 
[21:31] <hajour> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour  << moza 
[21:31] <JanC> hungary is part of the EU, so for most meds it should be okay I think
[21:31] <Pendulum> tbh, I don't remember them asking me about medications last time I went to Hungary
[21:32] <hajour> it depends on what meds you use Pendulum 
[21:32] <kinouchou> I go to hungary for UDS \o/
[21:32] <Pendulum> kinouchou: you will! yay! 
[21:32] <hajour> congrats kinouchou 
[21:32] <kinouchou> thanks hajour 
[21:33] <Pendulum> hajour: yeah, I"m on some meds that might be questioned. But I'm likely to just go and hope to not have a problem.
[21:33] <JanC> of course if you use stuff that's often used for non-medical purposes, a special medical passport is a good idea
[21:33] <kinouchou> it's my present for christmas
[21:33] <Pendulum> yeah, I don't use that stuff
[21:33] <Pendulum> at least not outside of The Netherlands
[21:33] <JanC> lol
[21:33] <Pendulum> seriously. I go to Amsterdam for 'pain holidays'
[21:34] <Pendulum> or at least I used to
[21:34] <moza> Thank you for the presentation hajour :)
[21:35] <hajour> well i had put the medical thing in it because for to help with accessibility moza 
[21:35] <moza> i understand hajour :)
[21:36] <hajour> have you seen the sub page to moza ? from accessibility sub page i mean on my wiki?
[21:36] <hajour> there are standing issues and possible solutions on it
[21:37] <hajour> also for bad sight
[21:37] <moza> i'll look at that.
[21:37] <hajour> that i had noticed the first 2 weeks  that i came here
[21:38] <hajour> and have written the idea that was pop up in my head to solve them
[21:38] <moza> that's wonderful that you write there the problems you encounters and the ideas you have :)
[21:39] <hajour> we are already busy with a new program named speechcontrol for open source
[21:39] <hajour> links from that are also on my wiki page
[21:39] <moza> Just to clarify : i am not working on accessibility in ubuntu. I am working on projects for Visually Impaired People in two different projects.
[21:40] <hajour> AlanBell, and Pendulum  have helpt also a lot with the program for get permission and sort things out
[21:40] <moza> that's good :)
[21:41] <hajour> well i assume its open source i hope anyway
[21:41] <Pendulum> hajour: you know that with Ubuntu you don't need permission to write programs, right? You can just start a project and do it.
[21:41] <hajour> well you helpt to get it official the chat room and also phillw helped a lot
[21:42] <hajour> that was what i mend
[21:42] <Pendulum> ah
[21:42] <moza> hajour, part of one project will be open-source, and the other project should give an open-source project too. But it is all research prototypes for now, so nothing is out yet.
[21:42] <hajour> and that was a lot of work from what i have seen
[21:42] <moza> an open-source application* sorry.
[21:43] <hajour> ok .well the mean thing i did was to get so many people in the team who had worked on speech programs
[21:44] <hajour> from all kind of programs
[21:44] <hajour> to get them to talk to each other
[21:45] <hajour> what 1 person not in succeed maybe many will succeed .by to put all knowledge by each other 
[21:45] <hajour> also AlanBell  have pulled people in with the same goal
[21:46] <hajour> and UndiFineD  and bedahr
[21:47] <hajour> its the whole team what make it to a working team
[21:48] <hajour> in beginning AlanBell  and i had some difference opinions but i know now him a little better .and sorry i was such a difficult person in the beginning AlanBell :)
[21:49] <hajour> wanted to say that al for weeks .
[21:50] <moza> :)
[21:51] <hajour> but moza  maybe if its alright .i am not so long here so . we could help you with your program .is that ggood AlanBell  and Pendulum ?
[21:51] <hajour> good i mean
[21:52] <hajour> they are very busy and active people here AlanBell  and Pendulum  most of this team .
[21:52] <moza> oh, thank you hajour, but i am working already full time on the two projects, and they both involve people who are paid for it. As soon as they will have something to publish i'll probably speak about it so that anybody can contribute :)
[21:53] <hajour> no i mean we help you
[21:53] <moza> if Visually impaired people are in sweden, i'm interested in contacts, but other than that.
[21:53] <Pendulum> moza: feel free to poke people here when you want new contributers
[21:53] <moza> i understand hajour :)
[21:53] <moza> ok Pendulum :)
[21:53] <Pendulum> also, you might want to try e-mailing the e-mail list just in case there are VI people in Sweden on it ;)
[21:54] <moza> i'll give you links since you insist :) one project is european : Haptimap http://www.haptimap.org/
[21:54] <hajour> i thing not take it personal.i dont work on not open source projects.its a principal thing
[21:54] <moza> it is about making maps more accessible non-visually.
[21:55] <hajour> maps like files?
[21:55] <moza> maps like the geographical maps.
[21:55] <moza> the other project is a national project in sweden, a drawing program for school children with force-feedback.
[21:55] <moza> http://www.certec.lth.se/forskning/hipp_haptik_i_pedagogisk_praktik/
[21:57] <hajour> great just what i have said in the sub page from accessibility
[21:57] <hajour> well in a surten way i think
[21:59] <hajour> yes it is just have see the link.i did not know it already was there
[21:59] <hajour> learn some new again
[22:00] <hajour> well i was started this projct because there was a program here in netherland not very good but still.not open source it cost 1295 euro to buy it.
[22:01] <moza> I will have to leave for now, but i will probably come back here later.
[22:01] <hajour> most people who have issues cant afford that
[22:01] <hajour> ok thanks for the talking moza .
[22:02] <hajour> looks very good the programs
[22:07] <hajour> mmm AlanBell  and Pendulum  .how can a program be open source if there is payed for it or have i read it wrong ?
[22:08] <Pendulum> hajour: open source just means that if you have the program you also have access to the source code and can change things as you wish
[22:08] <Pendulum> there's nothing that says you can't have to pay for the program, just many open source programs are free
[22:09] <Pendulum> well, are free as in cost
[22:09] <hajour> but speech control stays a program where people not have to pay for right?
[22:10] <hajour> i mean it stays in reach from people who have no almost not or have no money
[22:10] <Pendulum> well, you control SpeechControl. You can license it so that people have to keep any derivative programs open source, but I'm not sure you can control if they charged people to sell the derivative programs.
[22:12] <AlanBell> the free market sorts it out
[22:12] <Pendulum> yeah
[22:12] <AlanBell> you *can* charge for Free software, however you are competing against other people who can give the same code away
[22:13] <hajour> but then there is still the danger it will become a program just for fun or make easy working for people who not really need it
[22:13] <AlanBell> no danger as the source is free
[22:13] <AlanBell> one sec, I will find an article about this
[22:13] <hajour> ok
[22:14] <AlanBell> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
[22:15] <maco> hajour: for example, xchat charges money for their windows binary installers but gives free access to source code. if a windows user doesn't want to pay, they can compile it. however, silverex.org offers free windows binaries from the xchat source code anyway, which is where the competition comes in
[22:15] <hajour> i have a lot of pm s from people who really need a program like this and looking forward to it that it really go work.how longer i work on it how more i am convinced ans realize how much it means for other people 
[22:16] <Pendulum> hajour: that's why I work on accessibility in general. (I just know my skills are better suited to what I'm currently doing than to coding)
[22:18] <charlie-tca> +1
[22:18] <hajour> i am still looking for what i  can do and fit in best for study and work. either way speechcontrol i eat sleep and live with it
[22:19] <Pendulum> hajour: I honestly suggest that you make sure you don't eat, sleep, and live with it for too long. You will burn out. And then you will have issues. And then you may or may not come back. (This is the voice of experience)
[22:19] <hajour> i go read the link AlanBell 
[22:20] <hajour> i mean with that .its very important for me it will go work Pendulum 
[22:21] <Pendulum> I know. But you will do no one favours by burning yourself out. And it's impossible not to without giving yourself a break from time to time
[22:21] <Pendulum> AlanBell can back me up on this as he's seen me go through this in the time I've known him
[22:22] <hajour> AlanBell,  all lines in that link are at touched by each other .and very small fonds . sorry i cant read it good
[22:23] <hajour> but i let it in browser and ask UndiFineD  to read it for me
[22:23] <maco> hajour: try hitting ctrl+ a few times to make big font
[22:23] <hajour> already done maco 
[22:24] <hajour> its alright i have that often i am used on that 
[22:25] <JanC> hajour: so you have a living SpeechControl already !!
[22:25] <JanC>  ;-)
[22:27] <hajour> well Pendulum  i got a helper who comes 3 times a week for me and the kids.i always was unsure and down.because i felt myself not useful .  she said i completly become different when i started working on accessibility here and on speech control.what special care helpers was not in succeed .is succeed by ubuntu. in 2 months
[22:27] <AlanBell> also read the GPL http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[22:28] <hajour> and they had try it for many many years
[22:28] <hajour> yes JanC  but that living speechcontrol is 13 hours away a day 5 days a week
[22:29] <hajour> AlanBell,  the license from speechcontrol is good right?
[22:30] <hajour> the choice
[22:36] <Pendulum> hajour: don't spend more than 40 hours a week on it. Think of it like a fulltime job like that.
[22:37] <Pendulum> I don't know anyone who can spend 13 hours a day, 7 days a week on anything without burning out eventually.
[22:37] <Pendulum> even 13 hours a day 5 days a week is very difficult
[22:37] <Pendulum> and that's without also having kids!
[22:42] <hajour> i will look for it.also if i work to long my team kicks me to bed :)sort of speaking
[22:42] <Pendulum> hajour: good.
[22:43] <Pendulum> not that anyone here has ever had to tell me to go to bed or eat. honest
[22:43]  * Pendulum looks innocent
[22:43] <hajour> have sometimes the feeling i got many dads and moms here XD
[22:43] <hajour> hehe
[22:44] <hajour> i going to get something to drink :) brb
[22:46] <AlanBell> hajour: not sure what the speech control license ended up as, I know a lot of the component parts have a complicated mix of licenses
[22:46]  * AlanBell laughs at Pendulum's innocent look
[22:47] <Pendulum> AlanBell: :P
[22:57] <hajour> well most have suggest to put GPL 3 on it so that's what on speechcontrol now  well phillw is busy with that.but its already announced on the wiki from speechcontrol
[22:57] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[23:34] <JackyAlcine> Yup, AlanBell, we've torn down licenses from Julius and other components and found out how they could comply to the GPL3 standard.