=== bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [01:38] Can I safely assume the X transition is under way with all these xorg uploads? [01:40] Not yet. [01:40] These are preparatory steps, which won't break anything. [01:40] So that when we *do* break everything it's quicker to unbreak it :) [01:50] Right. [02:05] TheMuso, a rough plan of attack is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Roadmap/Natty if you're interested [02:06] bryceh: thanks [02:06] like raof said we're just tending to preparatory stuff right now [02:07] yep gotcha [02:14] Hm. I appear to spell build as “bulid” with remarkable frequency. [02:24] I would like to call attention to bug #574187 which is a pam problem with Gnome screensaver and the nopasswdlogin group. It's really annoying to disable password logins but then get locked out by the screensaver. [02:24] Launchpad bug 574187 in gnome-screensaver "Screensaver asks password when the user is in the password-less login group" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574187 [02:27] jhansonxi: the bug is currently marked as incomplete, which means that it's awaiting action from the reporter before further consideration [02:27] if the bug still exists, you could mark it as confirmed [02:29] Confirmed. I usually don't confirm bugs as I prefer someone slightly more official to do that. === asac_ is now known as asac [06:03] Good morning [06:19] pitti: good morn [06:19] hey desrt, how are you? [06:19] great [06:19] on holidays for the first time in a while :) [06:20] desrt: oh, nice! so what are you doing on IRC then? :-) [06:21] pitti: My thoughts exactly, and, good morning. [06:21] c [06:21] hey TheMuso [06:21] pitti: meh. where else am i going to hang out? :) [06:22] ...anywhere away from the computer would be my answer to that. :) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:11] good morning [08:12] good morning didrocks [08:13] hey mvo, how are you? [08:13] didrocks: mostly good, hurt my knee yesterday while playing hockey, but it seems not be too bad (fingers crossed). and you? [08:14] mvo: oh, hockey is really a dangerous game, hope you'll feel better soon :( [08:14] mvo: kind of cold here, but otherwise, excellent, thanks :) [08:15] it is sometimes :/ [08:15] happy to hear that [08:20] hey didrocks, mvo [08:20] mvo: oh, playing Hockey again? [08:20] hey pitti, playing retargetting bugs? ;) [08:21] didrocks: cleaning up the a2 bug list a bit [08:21] didrocks: for some reason I thought a2 was this Thursday [08:21] I'm not sure why QA is targetting for alphaxxx every single bugs they found and add a natty task [08:22] pitti: no worry, we only rely on upstream milestone in any case. I'll talk to Brian so that he stops doing that (or for beta only for very important ones) [08:22] didrocks: merci [08:49] pitti: yeah, when I get the chance I play :) not always easy timewise for me [09:04] morning [09:08] mvo: the lucid update in bug 670629 has some confusing comments -- is it intended to show the EULA on upgrades? [09:08] Launchpad bug 670629 in msttcorefonts "EULA not shown for Microsoft Fonts" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670629 [09:08] good morning rodrigo_ [09:09] pitti: yes, that is what I understand from the legal feedback we got. that we need to show even for existing installs (once) [09:09] mvo: ok, thanks; so I'll move that to -updates, ok? [09:09] hi didrocks [09:09] pitti: sounds good to me [09:20] hey [09:22] didrocks: no need to review my merge request for the ~ubuntu-desktop evince packaging branch anymore, TheMuso already fixed the FTBFS with a similar fix as I proposed [09:23] geser: thanks for the notice [09:23] salut seb128 [09:25] bonjour seb128 [09:26] hey didrocks, pitti, how are you? [09:27] seb128: I'm great, thanks! (apart from being confused about when alpha-2 happens :) ) [09:27] pitti, did you mean to move those bugs milestones or was that part of the confusion? [09:27] just reading my bugmails from the night [09:28] seb128: I still mean it; those weren't alpha blockers [09:28] high/alpha 2 means "we can't release a2 without this fixed", which was clearly exaggerated for most of them === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:29] pitti, k, need to think about that, that's how dx handle their milestones [09:29] pitti, so you just dropped target from their list [09:30] we need a way for teams to track what they want to work on without creating noise on the r-t list [09:30] seb128: if they are actually working on it by a2, we can put them back [09:30] but they seemed unrealistic to fix in one day [09:30] seb128: but they also have their milestones on their upstream tasks [09:31] right [09:34] hey seb128, I'm fine, thanks, you? [09:36] didrocks, ca va bien ici ;-) [09:36] pitti, well, "one day", they plan another bug fix rollout on monday or tuesday [09:37] pitti, so some days [09:37] ah, ok [09:41] How do i make my clock "24 hour" system wide. What text file or envirnomentvariable do I edit, or what GUI-tool do i use? I am fed up of fightinng the AM/PM-ghost :-s [09:43] Brumle: in unity or classic GNOME? [09:43] pitti: latest LTS :) [09:43] Brumle: set LC_TIME to a locale which uses 24 hours [09:49] pitti, seb128: can you please have a look at this sync request from robert -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gst/+bug/658851 ? [09:49] Launchpad bug 658851 in clutter-gst "update the clutter-gst package" [Wishlist,Triaged] [09:50] micahg, ping [09:51] rodrigo_: sure, doing now [09:51] pitti, thanks [09:57] pitti: Thanks. I'll look into it :) [09:58] Hello, can someone help with LP 608515 ? It is happening on my maverick system. I just tried with a natty VM, and that problem does not happen. What I fear is that the problem would still persist even when I upgrade my system to natty. [09:58] Launchpad bug 608515 in empathy "Can't establish audio or video calls" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608515 [10:00] chrisccoulson: good morning [10:00] chrisccoulson: say, do you know if we currently build firefox with some special debug options or so? it has felt like a tarpit for the last weeks at least [10:01] switching tabs, trying to mark text, and other actions takes 5 seconds [10:02] (very often, not always) [10:03] it spins up the CPU to 100% during that [10:08] hi pitti [10:09] no, we haven't changed anything recently [10:09] pitti - you don't use the nvidia driver too do you? [10:10] chrisccoulson: intel [10:10] pitti - does it happen on a new profile? [10:10] chrisccoulson: it's never really been snappy, but right now it makes you want to throw the thing out of the window.. [10:10] chrisccoulson: checking [10:10] pitti, I don't get that issue on intel video there [10:11] chrisccoulson: hm, after restarting it seems to be fast, and then gets worse over time [10:12] but my previous restart was about 2 h ago, so I'll check it with a new profile and let that run for a while [10:33] didrocks: is it intended that libzeitgeist and zeitgeist-extensions want to move to universe? don't we need those for unity? [10:34] pitti: I think it's because unity-place-* aren't recommended anymore by unity as they were uninstallable, will be fixed with this week release [10:34] ah, I see [10:41] pitti - do you know what keeps swt-gtk in main? i looked at it's rdepends yesterday and saw only universe packages [10:42] it's the only thing keeping xulrunner-1.9.2 in main now [10:42] -- natty/main build deps on libswt-gtk-3.5-java: [10:42] gwt [10:42] -- natty/main build deps on libswt-gtk-3.5-java-gcj: [10:42] gwt [10:42] that's it [10:43] pitti - oh, i didn't check the build-deps. but there are no run-time dependencies keeping it in? [10:43] none that I can see [10:51] didrocks: "appdevs-desktop-n-quickly Medium finish /opt work regarding the decisions above" -> is this still actually blocked? Is there still something to decide here? [10:54] pitti: there is still a pending email sent to the application review board without any answer. I need to resent one [11:01] pitti: just did verification for 666511/lucid-proposed [11:01] err, why this nick? === lan3y is now known as Laney [11:01] Laney: ah, thank you1 [11:02] np [11:02] I fixed it for squeeze ages ago, would have taken care of Lucid too but it was already uploaded by then so slipped by me [11:51] pitti - oh, i just saw your e-mails about main being frozen ;) [11:52] chrisccoulson: the followup as well, I hope? [11:52] * pitti <- brown paperbag [11:52] pitti - yeah, i saw that too :) [11:52] heh :-) [11:52] pitti: more coffee in the morning ;) [11:54] pitti: hi there! you scared me, *a lot* [11:55] * pitti hugs nessita -- was a nice wakeup call, wasn't it? [11:55] :-D [11:55] I was already thinking how will I convince you all to upload a few packages :-P [11:57] (that's pitti's technic to get more WI fixed in a small amount of time ;)) [11:58] hey nessita! [11:58] hi didrocks! [12:01] hi nessita [12:01] hi rodrigo_, how are you? [12:01] nessita, feeling cold, I just came back from some errands on my motorbike, so hands frozen :-) [12:01] nessita, what about you? [12:02] all the opposite, my hands are not cold and the weather is freaking hot. Though yesterday it rained a lot so today is a little bit fresher than yesterday [12:03] right, summer there now :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === zyga is now known as zyga-coffee [12:09] pitti, hmm, "disable hibernate in the UI: DONE"? why is it disabled? [12:10] rodrigo_: was discussed at uds; apparently it's failing for a lot of people, and is slow [12:10] it's slow yes [12:10] our OEM guys disable it for every rollout they do, too [12:10] apparently the major laptop manufacturer want it that way, or so [12:13] ok === zyga-coffee is now known as zyga [12:40] pitti - how strange, i've also just noticed firefox running really slowly on my system, but that only started this morning [12:40] and nothing changed recently :/ [12:59] talking about updates, I haven't updated for a couple of weeks [12:59] is it safe to apt-get upgrade now? [13:10] pitti: I solved the C code problem I mentioned last week, so the MPs linked to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/693337 are ready for review. [13:10] Launchpad bug 693337 in language-selector "Menus for choosing language should have one option per available translation" [Undecided,In progress] === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:35] GunnarHj: hi! great, thanks! [13:36] GunnarHj: was on the gnome hackfest last week, so I didn't have time to review [13:36] * pitti -> back in 45 mins [13:51] pitti: Yes, I knew about the hackfest. :-) [14:13] seb128: argh, you forgot to remind me for the meeting reminder :) [14:13] * pitti sends now [14:14] is unity supposed to have a battery indicator? [14:16] bcurtiswx_ - perhaps [14:17] only if you're not connected to power, i think [14:17] do you have a battery? ;) [14:17] dpm_: I'll fix the missing files later today [14:17] chrisccoulson, im on my laptop and i just unpluged it [14:17] no battery [14:18] hmm. maybe check your settings in gnome-power-preferences [14:18] didrocks, cool, thanks ;) [14:18] bcurtiswx, there you can set when you want to show a battery indicator [14:19] ah ya know what, could be GNOME3 PPA.. i have that gnome-power-manager [14:21] chrisccoulson, cyphermox. a laugh for today http://paste.ubuntu.com/558123/ [14:22] seems GPM still has some GTK2 symbols [14:22] ah, gnome-power-preferences has gone away now [14:22] it's a g-c-c panel instead [14:22] that's why you see that :) [14:22] i'd imagine those symbols are in another library it's linking against [14:28] tedg, I have some indicator nit fixes lined up. When is next release? [14:29] mterry, Thursday. [14:29] tedg, ok, hopefully I'll have merges filed today. Nothing major yet. I'm trying to clear out the critical warnings when running the panel service [14:30] mterry, Sweet! Good stuff. [14:30] for example, I found the darn code that prints out the 'isn't an int32 variant' :) [14:31] chrisccoulson, http://imagebin.org/134333 [14:31] chrisccoulson, my battery is unplugged mind you [14:32] mterry, Cool, it's easiest if you put each fix in it's own branch. What I usually do then is have a single packaging branch that merges those in so that I can test it on my own machine, but then I can propose them all separately. [14:33] tedg, ok [14:33] tedg, they're in lots of different packages anyway [14:34] mterry, Heh, that makes it easier to keep them separate :) [14:42] hi chrisccoulson, do you think you could have a look at adding the FF translations to the package as we discussed in the Rally? [14:43] mvo: do we still need software-properties-gtk in the software-center world, or was this integrated into sc? [14:43] mvo: if so, want me to port it to pygi? [14:45] hi guys, can I (please) have a sponsorship for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.9/+merge/47399? [14:48] hey nessita [14:48] nessita, does it fix the sso dialog on session start? ;-) [14:49] nessita, I can do the sponsoring [14:50] pitti: feel free to port, but we plan a big push toward a better UI for O [14:50] pitti: its still needed and will be needed in the future [14:50] mvo: ok [14:50] but the UI and the code will change as it will (finally) be ported to policykit :) [14:52] dpm - yeah. i want to figure out what mercurial repo they use to build the xpi's really though, and use that rather than shipping xpi's [14:52] seb128: nopes, the release of u1client will. It should go out today, we already requested dobey to do it. We had to delayed it due to some issues on syncdaemon [14:52] seb128: sorry :-( [14:52] dpm - the issue with merging xpi's in to the firefox source is that we always build the firefox pre-releases, and there are no xpi's at this stage [14:53] i don't want to block updates on waiting for translation xpi's ;) [14:54] mvo: are you a big fan of SimpleGtkBuilderApp? I. e. do you want to keep it, or can I kill it while porting? [14:54] chrisccoulson, I thought XPIs were always at http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ - that's where we get them when we upload them manually [14:55] dpm_ - that is for release builds. we prepare our source tarball and uploads before they are released [14:55] i'm just doing b10 now [14:56] nessita, no worry, I was just checking because jasoncwarner asked me if that was going to be fixed for alpha2, it happens on the livecd still [14:57] seb128: yeah, it will [15:02] chrisccoulson, ok, so if we cannot import them like that, what about other options of automating the import? What about what we talked about using the same method to generate the en-US template to build the xpis? We've uploaded the translations manually this time, but I do not follow the FF releases that closely, and we cannot guarantee that they are manually imported before every upload [15:03] dpm_ - building the xpi's using the code from mercurial seems like the right way. i just need to figure out their release process for translations, and also whether the build system supports building multiple languages too [15:03] nessita, happy birthday ;-) [15:04] seb128: thanks! am I getting a cake too??? [15:04] happy birthday nessita! [15:04] ooh, happy birthday nessita! *hug* [15:04] seb128 - it's not your birthday today too? [15:04] ;) [15:04] lol [15:04] nessita, next time we see each others maybe you get one ;-) [15:05] chrisccoulson, I don't think it's nessita's one either ;-) [15:05] awesome! [15:05] I just sponsored her update [15:05] lol [15:05] which is like a birthday present [15:05] * seb128 hugs nessita [15:05] * nessita hugs seb128 [15:07] * desrt /join #hugfest [15:08] chrisccoulson, sounds good. It would be awesome if we could automate this. Is there anything I can help with? [15:08] (that doesn't require becoming an expert in the Mozilla build system? ;) ) [15:08] felicidades nessita! [15:09] :-) [15:19] rodrigo_: I may not have time today to talk about CouchdbDocument - I'll be on call for at least an hour or so, and I know you finish the job around 6pm or so. If I don't get back in an hour or, can we talk tomorrow? [15:20] kklimonda, sure :-) [15:20] or so [15:20] ;) [15:27] KenEdwards: you lied. [15:27] err [15:27] kenvandine: ^^ you lied rather. [15:27] KenEdwards: sorry :) [15:27] ? [15:28] kenvandine: midori doesn't only do the yellow bar by strcmp on 'https' in the url [15:28] dobey, i just read that in a bug report :) [15:28] dobey, np ;-) [15:29] dobey, have they implemented a UI for managing them? [15:29] kenvandine: it's actually tri-state with newer libsoup/webkit. it checks the SoupFlags on the message for _TRUSTED_CERT [15:29] kenvandine: no, there's no way to manage them yet, but untrusted certs it makes the urlbar background red instead of yellow [15:29] ah... better than nothing [15:29] someone should do the same in epiphany [15:30] although i think it might still be doing that wrong, but haven't looked into it much further yet [15:30] from python i don't seem to have access to the SoupRequest [15:30] and midori crashes more than windows with a virus [15:31] and it's not really the ui i want, so still going to bring back encompass [15:36] kenvandine: you can probably do the same thing midori does, from python, if you use introspection instead of bindings? [15:36] dobey, yeah, should be able too [15:36] not sure which is more work though [15:36] doing that, or opening the default browser for oauth [15:38] does it matter? [15:38] the user experience should be more important than what is more work [15:43] hi, i'd like to replace my nvidia video card to a better one. How do i check which card is currently actuall installed? [15:45] xw4400: #ubuntu is the help channel, you will probably get better response there. [15:46] ah, ok. This is a dev channel? [15:49] xw4400: some like this [15:55] nessita: still need the sponsoring? (was in meeting until now) [15:56] pitti: not right now, seb128 did it [15:56] ah, great [15:56] I will need another one for u1cp in a few hours [16:08] wow! didrocks is an archive admin! [16:08] promotion? [16:09] more like "dumped on him while he wasn't on guard" [16:14] :) === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [16:18] * bcurtiswx_ bows down to didrocks ;) [16:19] * seb128 dumps taks on didrocks, welcome! [16:20] tasks [16:20] seb128: nooooooooooooooooooooooooo :-) [16:20] I still don't have my shell access, so I can't do anything :) [16:20] you can NEW from the webui [16:21] oh right, I should have a look to that NEW thing :) [16:22] session restart, brb [16:22] chrisccoulson, is there a known problem where firefox becomes "undecorated" [16:23] kenvandine, what problem? not that i'm aware of ;) [16:23] for some reason firefox just lost it window decorations... but none of my other windows did [16:23] it is still working fine though [16:23] gotta be a compiz bug :) [16:23] hmmm, that sounds odd ;) [16:23] but weird... [16:24] does it come back if you switch to full screen and back again? (ie, hit F11 twice) [16:24] oh, i've just noticed that full screen isn't really full screen anymore [16:25] unity bug though ;) [16:27] chrisccoulson, oh... so is full screen like 2/3 of the screen with no decorations? [16:28] kenvandine, the panel is still displayed with full screen now [16:30] not for me [16:30] but i don't have decorations when not full screen :) [16:31] DING DING DING meeting o'clock [16:31] hello! [16:32] :) [16:32] * kenvandine waves [16:32] no Jason today? [16:32] no [16:32] LCA [16:32] heya [16:32] hey [16:33] bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter: meeting time [16:33] hi [16:33] hi! [16:33] hi [16:34] hey [16:34] apparently no actions from previous meeting [16:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-01-25 for the current reports about Unity etc. [16:35] kenvandine: do you have a parnter update? [16:35] yup [16:35] i should put that on the wiki too :) [16:35] partner, too [16:35] anyway [16:35] of U1 [16:35] for U1 [16:35] syncdaemon performance improvements, should land end of next week [16:35] unity integration has begun, should land in time for FF assuming all goes well with the libunity api they need [16:36] shotwell integration work will start next week, minimal work required, also should land in time for FF [16:36] nice [16:36] DX: [16:36] like, publishing photos to the cloud? [16:36] libunity landing this week, hopefully enough to get the U1 team comfortable with the API [16:36] pitti, basic [16:37] making sure photos can be synced easily [16:37] like i think things like revision info and metadata about photos [16:37] hi [16:38] the other big thing from DX this week is work on moving menu parsing out of appmenu-gtk and libappindicator and into dbusmenu-gtk [16:38] which should help with bug triaging and hopefully fixing [16:38] that is all i have, questions? comments? [16:38] kenvandine, libunity landed last week no? [16:38] kenvandine: (libunity already landed btw) [16:38] kenvandine, well at least didrocks uploaded and I reviewed it [16:38] yeah... but not with the new PAPIs [16:38] APIs [16:38] ok [16:38] i think the beginning of the new APIs are landing this week [16:38] so new update you mean [16:39] yeah, not new package :) [16:39] kenvandine, is it worth trying to fix appmenu issues until the parsing update lands? [16:39] like lpi menu items not working [16:39] don't think so [16:39] ok [16:40] if there are appmenu issues to debug btw, i could take a look at them whilst this stuff is all fresh in memory :) [16:40] i think a few people mentioned at the rally there were some long standing bugs [16:40] there is indeed, feel free to pick on the bug list [16:40] there are, i think tedg hopes to get that code in one place so it is easier to triage and fix [16:40] cool, i'll take a look [16:40] not sure how much that will be useful with the refactoring though [16:41] so maybe check with ted to get the updated code before starting on those [16:41] sure, no problem [16:42] oh, one more thing [16:42] kenvandine: so you'll add to the wiki as well? thanks [16:42] libappindicator gtk3 port is up for review now [16:42] so should land this week [16:42] \o/ [16:42] happy to test [16:42] great [16:42] :) [16:43] kenvandine, up to upstream review, i.e ted? or packaging one? [16:43] pitti, will do [16:43] I can help to review [16:43] upstream [16:43] ok [16:43] didrocks: do you want to paste/say something extra/discuss unity updates? [16:43] well, people can read on the wiki I guess [16:43] but I have a BREAKING news! [16:43] we need to read now? how boring! [16:43] (which is more a fix in fact) :) [16:44] ok, copy/paste then, just for seb128 ;) [16:44] New unity landed this week [16:44] * a bunch of bug fixes and the dash has its first release (really early prototype though)! [16:44] a lot of accessibility improvments as well. [16:44] we got an intermediate upload to fix an annoying "invisible unclickable window" bug. [16:44] the places have been rebuilt to drop some packages from the archives, the big come back is for this week release. [16:44] still some stacking issues (menu disappearing, windows not clickable) in compiz. Apparently, there is a fix proposed, so fortunately, this will be fixed this week. [16:44] also, some specific issue with nvidia card (black screen) still there, as well as launchers weird behavior in some cases. [16:44] libunity is now a new source to make the foundation API more unrelated to the view. [16:44] -> Next week, on your almost natty alpha2 computer: [16:44] full release upload planned on Thursday with working places (\o/), miscellaneous improvements and still bug fixes. [16:44] didrocks: do we need to discuss the detection? right now it seems to be painfully expensive [16:44] another "final" upload on Monday evening/Tuesday morning (european time) with crusty fixes and small incremental changes for getting ready for alpha2. [16:44] a compiz upload which should speed the startup time and fixes some annoying bugs (no ABI break planned). [16:44] -> misc: [16:44] we know we have a lot of false positives of "your computer can't run unity" because the detection tools take more than 3s to answer on a cold cache (and the timeout was 0.5s, then 1s). For now, I'll upload a gnome-session package with a timeout of 5s for the release. The detection tool loads 15 MiB of libraries which can explain that. Some work on that planned for alpha3. [16:45] support of multiple fallbacks added to gnome-session. So, if you install unity-2d, the fallback for the unity session is unity-2d instead of gnome-classic without a warning message in that case. [16:45] didrocks, sorry I was just joking since IRC or wiki we need to read anyway but thanks ;-) [16:45] lot of nice things coming this week [16:45] first the news ;) the stacking issue (some menu disappearing in the background or window taht you can't click) is fixed! [16:45] nice! [16:45] just a few minutes ago :) [16:45] yay [16:45] * chrisccoulson hugs didrocks [16:45] \o/ [16:45] chrisccoulson: hugs smspillaz rather :) [16:45] he put a lot of effort in it [16:46] congrats to him! [16:46] * chrisccoulson hugs smspillaz [16:46] yay smspillaz! [16:46] wasn't trivial ;) [16:46] nice smspillaz! [16:46] pitti: re: detection [16:46] smspillaz: rock! [16:46] pitti: one of the issue is that we are linking against 15Mb (the full nux stack) [16:46] didrocks: what does it currently do? [16:47] just for basically checking opengl capability + lspci [16:47] it's not enough to check the graphics driver and available X.org modules? === nessita1 is now known as nessita [16:47] apparently not, they want to ensure the full nux is woking [16:47] working* [16:47] and make some tests [16:47] again, the tests are not expensive [16:47] initializing nux is [16:47] pitti: :) [16:47] didrocks: so in sum they are [16:48] yeah :) [16:48]