[00:57] <ari-tczew> bdrung, tumbleweed: could you avoid in sponsors-overview last comment by  ?
[00:57] <ari-tczew> janitor
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[08:34] <sagaci> afternoon dholbach
[08:35] <dholbach> hi sagaci
[09:14] <geser> good morning dholbach
[09:16] <dholbach> hello geser
[09:18] <AnAnt> Hello, anyone got a natty chroot ?
[09:20] <persia> AnAnt, Sure.  What do you need?
[09:22] <AnAnt> persia: thanks, I'll try something here first
[09:30] <AnAnt> compiling this test code fails on natty: http://pastebin.com/0XGD4kXB , I compile as follows: gcc -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -lncursesw test.c
[09:30] <AnAnt> I got libncursesw5-dev & libncurses5-dev installed
[09:30] <AnAnt> persia: ^
[09:31] <\sh> AnAnt: doesn't it mean: int main() { ... return(0); }? ,-)
[09:32] <AnAnt> \sh: I don't understand
[09:32] <AnAnt> the compile error was: undefined reference to addwstr
[09:35] <AnAnt> anyone knows if there is something wrong with the compile command line ? linker flags ?
[09:35] <persia> AnAnt, fails for me as well.  No idea why.
[09:36] <AnAnt> it compiles on maverick btw
[09:37] <geser> the usual "ls --as-needed" issue
[09:37] <geser> exchange the order of -lncursesw and test.c -> test.c -lncursesw
[09:38] <geser> order does matter with ld --as-needed which is default in natty
[09:38] <persia> geser, So -lfoo needs to follow code that uses foo?
[09:38] <geser> persia: exactly
[09:38] <AnAnt> geser: aha, thanks
[09:38] <persia> Ah!  That explains a few things I've seen.  Thanks.
[10:00] <dapal> evaluate: ack :) -- I'm quite busy as well :/
[10:07] <evaluate> dapal, ok :-)
[11:06] <Laney> dholbach: forgot to reply to your mail re the announcement but no more comments from me :-)
[11:07] <dholbach> Laney, thanks
[11:07] <Laney> np
[11:07] <Laney> your other mail reminded me ;)
[11:07] <dholbach> I'll follow up in a bit
[11:23] <AnAnt> geser: thanks, could you give me a link regarding the rationale of listing -lfoo before the source/object files using it ? I want to send a patch to upstream
[11:48] <bdrung> dholbach: "The expectations of new developers are appropriate" - what we expect from them or what they expect?
[11:48] <dholbach> the former
[11:53] <Laney> oops
[11:53]  * Laney ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
[11:54] <dholbach> alright... I'll head out into the cold for lunch - see you later
[11:58] <geser> AnAnt: I can only point you to the manpage of "ld" and the "-l" option (perhaps also read about "--as-needed")
[12:00] <AnAnt> geser: thanks
[13:39] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: can we sync atkmm1.6 from experimental and clean up it from REVU?
[13:40] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: btw. you have typo in d/changelog - forgot hash, (Closes: 604123)
[13:40] <ari-tczew> and why svn :( git is better
[13:48] <ari-tczew> bdrung: if you are free, you could sponsor merges from queue
[13:49] <bdrung> ari-tczew: which?
[13:49] <ari-tczew> bdrung: bug 695005 or bug 705383
[13:51]  * ari-tczew is off for lunch.
[14:46] <bdrung> ari-tczew: done python-numpy
[14:47] <bdrung> ari-tczew: emacs is too big. find an emacs user for sponsoring.
[14:54] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: we can clean it up from revu but there is no need to sync it. and missing # is not a typo, it closed bug just fine.
[14:55] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I asked kees for emacs sponsoring
[14:57] <tumbleweed> bdrung: thanks for numpy
[14:58] <bdrung> tumbleweed: that was an easy one
[14:59] <tumbleweed> IIRC that'll need a few rebuilds now, hopefully smorar will take care of it
[14:59] <ari-tczew> RainCT: would be nice if REVU has a script to check whether package exist in Ubuntu or Debian
[15:00] <RainCT> ari-tczew: Yeah. Send me a patch :)
[15:00] <ari-tczew> RainCT: ha ha ha :P
[15:01] <kklimonda> jdstrand: thanks for doing two upload for hamster-applet and not merging 2.32.1 in the meantime ;)
[15:02] <jdstrand> that's slightly snarky :)
[15:02] <jdstrand> I coded up a fix for one of those and noticed a patch was available for the other. it is all I had time for
[15:05] <kklimonda> jdstrand: I just got confused when I saw 2.31.92-ubuntu4  :)
[15:06]  * bdrung is poking ari-tczew for vlc.
[15:08] <ari-tczew> bdrung: would you like me to review?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> how can i specify a sshd port using debsign with -r option?
[15:09] <bdrung> ari-tczew: yes
[15:10] <tumbleweed> shadeslayer: don't know of any option except configuring the host in your .ssh/config (which is a good timesaver, anyway)
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:10] <ari-tczew> bdrung: let me finish some things, some minutes
[15:11]  * ari-tczew wishes that some day motu-swat will grant upload access to -security pocket.
[15:11] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: why that would be helpful, I don't think there is a significant bottleneck atm
[15:12] <jdstrand> the current process provides peer review and more or less timely sponsorship (we have a person dedicated to doing sponsoring each week)
[15:12] <jdstrand> (ie, security sponsoring, beyond patch piloting)
[15:13] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: that means that only Canonical can maintain that stuff, without community
[15:14] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: no, Canonical sponsors for the greater community
[15:15] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: yes, we are theoretically a bottleneck, but in practice we are not because the sponsorship volume is not high
[15:15] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: sad to hear that not-payed community is worse
[15:15] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: who said that? I certainly did not
[15:16] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: the fact is that few from motu-swat are even acking patches to bugs where ubuntu-security-sponsors is subscribed
[15:16] <ari-tczew> jdstrand:  [16:14] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: no, Canonical sponsors for the greater community
[15:16] <ari-tczew> Canonical = cash
[15:17] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: why would full access to the security pocket be given when there is little interest from the greater community to provide and test updates?
[15:17] <ari-tczew> commercialism
[15:17] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: that is a very odd interpretation of what I said
[15:18] <dholbach> ari-tczew, I'm not sure where you are going right now - it should not exactly be a surprise that there are members of the community paid to work on Ubuntu
[15:18] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: there are limitations in LP that don't allow this. I am merely saying that while it would be nice if that limitation was gone, practically speaking, there is no problem getting fixes from the greater community into -security
[15:19] <jdstrand> if people just want to get the work done and contribute, there is no problem
[15:21] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: so only LP is blocking give access to -security pocket?
[15:22] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: that, processes surrounding handling of uploads to -security in stable releases, and people
[15:23] <jdstrand> so there are technical and procedural things that need to be addressed. once the technical is resolved, I assume motu-swat can develop safe processes requiring peer review, etc
[15:23] <ari-tczew> bdrung: thanks for sync review. could you have a look also on related bug 702765 ?
[15:24] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: I'm an admin of motu-swat so I can manage members properly, if you as ubuntu-security have concerns to any members in the team.
[15:25] <bdrung> ari-tczew: ping me again once libgpg-error is synced
[15:26] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: again, you are misinterpreting me. I am not saying anything against you are the members of the motu-swat team. I am saying there isn't a defined process for how motu-swat does peer review, testing, uploads and handling of regressions
[15:26] <ari-tczew> bdrung: yea, I'm thinking when last syncs were done
[15:26] <ari-tczew> (archive-admin)
[15:26] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: right now, all that comes for free because the ubuntu-security team handles much of that on the larger community's behalf
[15:27] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: if we are taken out of the picture (which is what you are suggesting), then processes need to be defined and followed
[15:27] <jdstrand> this is all to ensure our users receive quality updates with the very best chance of being regression free
[15:28] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: I'm only volunteer without cash so I can wait only for Canonical grace. I'll review vlc since bdrung asked me for that. Thanks.
[15:30] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: where is this hostility coming from? I cleared the security sponsors queue last week (and there wasn't much there). mdeslaur is on community sponsoring this week, and iirc has already been looking at the queue
[15:31] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: I started looking at vlc this morning
[15:31] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: I'm just guessing whether reviewing by motu-swat makes sense.
[15:32] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: sure it does! if we get a qualified ACK from anyone from ubuntu-security-sponsors, we process it
[15:35] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: once I finished build testing it, I'll ack it and upload it
[15:36] <ari-tczew> jdstrand: OK, good to hear. I just want to make Ubuntu more community-open in some areas like security.
[15:36] <ari-tczew> So in future I imagine motu-swat as team with upload access to -security in universe.
[15:38] <jdstrand> ari-tczew: we are striving to be open with the LP that is here now. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue discusses how the queue is processed. noticed there is a lot that ubuntu-security-sponosrs can do, of which motu-swat is a member
[16:21] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: could you please add the information that's missing to bug #539056 ?
[16:21] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: thanks
[16:22] <ari-tczew> mdeslaur: I'll add when I'll have opportunities to test. or maybe you want to do it for me?
[16:23] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: you're supposed to test _before_ asking for debdiffs to be sponsored. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures
[16:24] <ari-tczew> mdeslaur: I can don't preparing fixes if you want.
[16:24] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: I don't understand
[16:25] <ari-tczew> mdeslaur: I dunno how explain it more, english is not my native.
[16:29] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: ok, I'll wait for your testing and updated debdiffs. Thanks.
[16:29] <ari-tczew> mdeslaur: IIRC there is no need to add patch which jdstrand asked. I didn't check it yet.
[16:30] <ari-tczew> because it was related to plugin for drupal, not for stricte drupal
[16:30] <mdeslaur> ari-tczew: well, could you please update the bug with the info? thanks
[19:53] <Rhonda> uh oh, requestsync did drop its pant infront of me
[19:54] <Rhonda> Might it be that the version in debian testing isn't able to work with --lp anymore?
[19:54] <tumbleweed> should work wit h--lp
[19:54] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: traceback?
[19:54] <Rhonda> The traceback somehow gives me the impression it might be related to --lp
[19:55] <Rhonda> Let me paste it
[19:55]  * tumbleweed always uses --lp. But I also haven't used the version that's in testing for a while... :P
[19:56] <Rhonda> http://paste.debian.net/105662/
[20:01] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: http://code.google.com/p/httplib2/issues/detail?id=62 <- basically it means connection failed
[20:01] <tumbleweed> (as one could gess)
[20:01] <geser> Rhonda: does the version in testing perhaps use edge.lp which is gone?
[20:02] <tumbleweed> geser: edge.api still seems to exist
[20:02] <tumbleweed> that was my first thought too
[20:02] <Rhonda> Ah. Retry and it worked.
[20:02] <Rhonda> I think it's related to my background uploading of wesnoth-1.9_1.9.4.orig.tar.gz which blocks a fair amount of my outgoing bandwidth ;)
[20:03] <Rhonda> It's only at 18% so far .....
[20:03] <tumbleweed> I'll bet :)
[20:03] <Rhonda> Did I mention that I need betterbandwidth for such stuff?
[20:09] <Rhonda> 'nuff done for now, see you around.
[20:26] <MTecknology> if one line in debian/changelog fixes one launchpad bug and one debian bug, how should I mark that?  I've seen (Closed: #123123) and (LP: #123123) but never both put together
[20:28] <MTecknology> there we go
[20:28] <MTecknology> zul: howdy!
[20:29] <ari-tczew> MTecknology: (LP: #XXXXXX, Closes: #XXXXXX)
[20:29] <zul> MTecknology: hi
[20:30] <MTecknology> ari-tczew: thanks :)
[20:30] <MTecknology> zul: how's php been going for ya?
[20:32] <zul> MTecknology: fine
[20:32] <MTecknology> zul: how's everything else been?
[20:33] <zul> MTecknology: fine..no php 5.3.5 yet if thats what you are leading to ;)
[21:14] <ari-tczew> RainCT: are you going to take sponsorship on bug 707635 ?
[21:14] <RainCT> ari-tczew: yep
[21:15] <ari-tczew> RainCT: unsubscribe sponsors then
[21:15] <ari-tczew> or mark In Progress
[21:15] <RainCT> Yup. (Can't unsubscribe, team membership expired)
[22:59] <persia> RainCT, I've extended your membership in ubuntu-sponsors, since you seem to need it, and do sponsoring.  Just ask if you expire again
[23:00] <ari-tczew> persia: do you will be still in DMB?
[23:00] <RainCT> persia: Thanks
[23:01] <persia> ari-tczew, I have no idea.  I've been nominated for the selection process.  We'll see what happens when the developers express their preferences from the set of nominees.
[23:03] <ari-tczew> persia: who is also nominated?
[23:03] <persia> ari-tczew, The list of nominees is currently not disclosed.  It will be announced on Monday.
[23:04] <persia> I will say that the DMB would appreciate more nominations, if folk have preferences.  It never hurts to have a wide selection of folks from whom to choose.
[23:04] <ari-tczew> persia: then how do you know that you have been nominated?
[23:05] <persia> ari-tczew, Because I am on the list that receives the nominations.
[23:09] <ari-tczew> aha