[01:01] <ScottL> hi troy_s
[01:01] <troy_s> Greets Scott
[01:02] <ScottL> troy_s, i saw a post about blender's new UI.  looks good!
[01:02] <troy_s> I was just going to send you a link.
[01:02] <ScottL> heh
[01:02] <troy_s> Which post?
[01:02] <ScottL> it's one that fab from linux outlaws is posting, hold on
[01:02] <troy_s> This project needs some love... Maybe someone here can package it. The project is a fork of a dead project and the fellow looks like he might want to get it debified etc.
[01:02] <troy_s> ScottL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/insight3dng/develop
[01:03] <troy_s> Very valuable software if it can grow some more... that means a little more attention.
[01:03] <ScottL> it's from lxnews.org
[01:03] <troy_s> Blender 2.5x has been working for ages.
[01:03] <ScottL> http://lxnews.org/2011/01/24/blender-gets-a-ui-refresh/
[01:03] <troy_s> I did the last music video in it.
[01:04] <ScottL> troy_s, that project is for editing video?
[01:04] <troy_s> ScottL: It is for generating what is known as structure from motion. Point clouds.
[01:04] <troy_s> ScottL: Might not seem obvious as to what it is good for at first, but the implications are pretty broad. 
[01:05] <troy_s> ScottL: You can generate point clouds from a series of images. From that you can remap the images back onto the point clouds - generating a panorama as an example, from distinct and different vantages.
[01:06] <troy_s> ScottL: You can also generate 3D geometry from the point cloud. You could use it to create a 3D model for visual effects work etc.
[01:06] <ScottL> troy_s, is that how they do that stop motion, 3d fly around view in movies like the matrix?
[01:06] <troy_s> ScottL: Not quite, but heading down a similar path yes.
[01:06] <troy_s> ScottL: You could certainly achieve something akin to that with a little elbow grease I'd think... and some hardware - namely a few cameras chained.
[01:06] <ScottL> troy_s, i'll point quadrispro at it, he's on the debian multimedia team and will probably eat it up, get it into debian and then sync with ubuntu
[01:07] <troy_s> It could use some love and attention. Based on OpenCV
[01:07] <ScottL> well, i believe quadrispro likes a challenge :)
[01:08] <ScottL> TheMuso, i'm updating the seeds for the qdvdauthor issue
[01:08] <ScottL> TheMuso, shall i follow the usual routine: make a bug, attach the diff, subscribe you, pm you ?
[01:08] <ScottL> TheMuso, i should also have a diff for the plymouth package by tomorrow
[01:09] <TheMuso> ScottL: Just let me know when you have updated the seeds, and I am happy to update the meta package, that is unless you want to do it yourself.
[01:09] <ScottL> TheMuso, normally i would like to gain more experience in such matters, but there's lots of stuff i need to do so i would appreciate if you would do it :)
[01:09] <TheMuso> No problem, let me know once the seeds are done.
[01:10] <ScottL> TheMuso, i have already push back to the seeds and was running ./update currently
[01:10] <TheMuso> Ok will go ahead and do it now.
[01:10] <ScottL> TheMuso, before you get going on it i have a question
[01:10] <TheMuso> Sure.
[01:10] <ScottL> brasero is included in the desktop file as (brasero)
[01:10] <ScottL> that means its included but not installed, correct?
[01:11] <TheMuso> Its included and installed.
[01:11] <ScottL> TheMuso, i included it anyway in the video file to support the work flow of dvd authoring
[01:11] <TheMuso> Ok.
[01:12] <ScottL> that's redundant then, take it out if necessary
[01:12] <TheMuso> Ok
[01:12] <ScottL> TheMuso, that was my only concern currently with that package :)
[01:12] <ScottL> thank you
[01:12] <TheMuso> right
[01:13] <TheMuso> Actually, no we will leave it there, in case a user deides to install -video and they are using another desktop etc.
[01:13] <TheMuso> user decides even
[01:14] <ScottL> TheMuso, hey, that's good thinking :)
[01:14] <ScottL> TheMuso, after i get the diff for the plymouth package i'm going to reinstall natty and check my gnome-classic xsession fix one more time
[01:14] <TheMuso> Ok cool.
[01:14] <ScottL> TheMuso, then i hope to either have a diff or a dedicated setup to have didrocks help me with :P
[01:14] <TheMuso> ok cool.
[01:15] <ScottL> troy_s, after i take care of the things i just mentioned i'm going to start a few smaller blog posts and do a podcast
[01:15] <ScottL> troy_s, some of the topics will include blender and how freaking awesome it is :D
[01:16] <ScottL> troy_s, i'm really impressed by a package called dvdstyler http://www.dvdstyler.de/ for dvd authoring
[01:17] <troy_s> ScottL: Great. Linux just got DVD creation. Fantastic. Too bad it's done like dinner.
[01:17] <troy_s> ScottL: Sort of uh... very 1990.
[01:17] <troy_s> ;)
[01:17] <ScottL> troy_s, nay, it's had it for a while, i'm impressed with how well this thing handles the menu as well
[01:18] <troy_s> ScottL: Next up... you are going to tell me that there is going to be CD read write support in Linux. I can't wait.
[01:18] <ScottL> troy_s, in a way it reminds me of inkscape in it's menu creation
[01:18] <troy_s> ScottL: Seriously though, that is stuff that is very much gone the way of the Dodo.
[01:18] <ScottL> troy_s, in mainstream?  probably so, it's all web stuff now, i agree
[01:19] <troy_s> ScottL: The writing has been on the wall for a  long while. It would be better if people would create to a need like say, create a full blown musical packager with GUI for a musical artist to publish to iTunes. The Digital Booklet, the music, etc.
[01:19] <troy_s> But alas...
[01:19] <troy_s> Tail chasers around these parts.
[01:19] <ScottL> troy_s, aye, that would also "rock", if you will allow the pun
[01:20] <ScottL> troy_s, but i still think there are those who would like to make dvd's easily and well to send to grandma or mom and dad
[01:20] <troy_s> erm...
[01:20] <ScottL> what?
[01:20] <troy_s> DVDs are pretty much done.
[01:21] <troy_s> It's over and done with.
[01:21] <ScottL> yes, but grandma isn't savy, and maybe mom and dad live in the country and only have dial up
[01:21] <ScottL> all they can do is watch dvd's if they want up to date videos of grandkids and great-grandkids
[01:22] <troy_s> ScottL: Fictional or real people? Because I can justify just about any use case anywhere. It is the folly of personas in Libre culture.
[01:22] <ScottL> (true story - except my grandma's are dead though)
[01:22] <ScottL> troy_s, but also i want to preach about using blender to make stuff for the web as well
[01:24] <troy_s> ScottL: Hard to do. There are too many toolbags.
[01:24] <troy_s> ScottL: It comes down to who is going to use a tool.
[01:25] <TheMuso> ScottL: uploaded
[01:25] <troy_s> ScottL: Some will complain that it doesn't follow GTK etc. (thank god) etc. etc.
[01:26] <ScottL> TheMuso, woohoo, thanks :)
[01:26] <troy_s> ScottL: I remember someone actually had the gall to barf up something about how if Blender didn't match GTK it wasn't going to be adopted. Cracked me up. Complete donkeyville.
[01:26] <ScottL> troy_s, aye, there are many toolbags, but a few tutorials should help many people i hope
[01:26] <troy_s> ScottL: Blender simply is _never_ (thank goodness) going to chase after everyone. 
[01:27] <ScottL> troy_s, i found this tutorial very educational, which also left me reeling at how much more i need to learn: http://monochrome.sutic.nu/2010/06/14/video-editing-with-blender.html
[01:27] <troy_s> ScottL: It is a pretty intermediate to advanced tool. It will remain that way. Much of what you will hear is typical lame mumbo jumbo from the clueless masses that tend to put mouths in front of mind.
[01:28] <ScottL> troy_s, but that's what makes the geek in me happy
[01:28] <troy_s> ScottL: That post also is only 2.4x
[01:28] <ScottL> troy_s, it's like cracking a code...getting that green screen thing was a challenge
[01:28] <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, but it helped me understand more stuff
[01:28] <troy_s> ScottL: Blender has some better little details and interface bits now. It also can import full range (0-255) from DSLR footage (via an FFMPEG preset)
[01:29] <ScottL> troy_s, besides the forums i don't think anyone is really is posting about using blender (at least i can't find it)
[01:29] <troy_s> ScottL: The problem is that once you find Blender, you spend your time wrapping your head around a given problem to solve. Generally, once you solve it, you move along.
[01:30] <ScottL> troy_s, well,that's what i've done to this point *nods head in agreement*
[01:32] <troy_s> ScottL: But I'd heavily encourage you to compile from SVN
[01:32] <troy_s> ScottL: It has many differences and it really isn't worth plucking along in 2.4x any longer.
[01:33] <troy_s> ScottL: It is relatively painless with CMake.
[01:33] <troy_s> ScottL: And worth it.
[01:34] <ScottL> troy_s, i'll consider that in after february...february is RPM Challenge month
[01:34] <ScottL> then i'm your man with the svn blender painless cmake adventure :D
[01:36] <ScottL> troy_s, i think i have the wife interested in the T2i also :)
[01:36] <troy_s> ScottL: Probably the best entry level DSLR available at the moment.
[01:36] <troy_s> ScottL: Pretty much the same gamut of frame rates and such as the 7D.
[01:36] <ScottL> she saw the T1 in target (for $775 bleargh!) and though it was nice, i said, "baby, that's crap!  i can get the T2i for cheaper!"
[01:37] <troy_s> ScottL: The 5Dm3 might trump all hopefully. I'd love to see some 96fps or something higher... That would be most excellent.
[01:37] <troy_s> ScottL: I will likely end up with three bodies.
[01:37] <ScottL> so before i really rock any videos i need to really get a better than my JVC Ericho POS
[01:37] <troy_s> ScottL: The main advantage of the DSLRs is the gate size - the sensor size.
[01:38] <troy_s> ScottL: That is the biggest element of 'quality' - despite what some video nerds might try to tell you.
[01:38] <troy_s> ScottL: The piddly dinky little sensors simply stink for aesthetic worth. You can keep your 2k or 4k resolution if it is being recorded on a 2mm sensor. It just looks completely weak.
[01:39] <troy_s> ScottL: The T2i and all APS-C cameras offer a sensor that is almost 1:1 with major motion picture cameras (the 35mm standard varieties - not to be confused with Vistavision or some other larger format cameras (the 5Dm2 matches Vistavision))
[01:40] <troy_s> ScottL: And that means you open up larger circles of confusion which amounts to a thinner depth of field. This tends to trigger the 'cinematic' learned responses that everyone has built up over watching a plethora of movies.
[01:46] <ScottL> well, hopefully before february i can get my friend who has something comparable to the T2 to record my rock video
[01:46] <ScottL> the goals is the edit it with blender and have the music and video all done by open source
[01:47] <ScottL> i've more or less got the song done, just need to finish the vocals at this point
[01:47] <troy_s> ScottL: If you have a youtube account, send it to me.
[01:48] <troy_s> ScottL: I can't publish something quite yet thanks to some music video stations... but if you have one I'll show you something.
[01:48] <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, i do, gotta find the name, don't really use it much to be honest
[01:48] <troy_s> ScottL: I'd need your YouTube handle.
[01:49] <ScottL> i mean i don't really use the account name, not youtube
[01:49] <ScottL> troy_s, apparently it's scottalavender
[01:49] <troy_s> Ok hold a second...
[01:50] <ScottL> troy_s,  ScottALavender with caps, actually
[01:50] <ScottL> dont' know if that matters or not
[01:52] <troy_s> You have mail.
[02:00] <ScottL> troy_s, very cool!  looks like a typical weekend with courtney love :P
[02:00] <ScottL> did you shoot that and edit it too?
[02:00] <ScottL> that shot of her looking over the shaking doll head was pretty wicked
[02:02] <troy_s> ScottL: Yes. Did all of it. 
[02:06] <ScottL> troy_s, all in open source too?
[02:06] <troy_s> ScottL: Can't comment.
[02:06] <ScottL> impressive either way
[02:07] <ScottL> seeing that makes me think that starting with better footage (i.e. not shot with a $250 camcorder) is a very positive first step towards a good video
[02:07] <troy_s> ScottL: Hrm... let me push something really quick. This was done ages ago.
[02:09] <ScottL> watching them play the same song but live on youtube now
[02:09] <troy_s> ScottL: Jeremy and an ex member are from Front Line Assembly / Delerium / Noise Unit.
[02:10] <troy_s> ScottL: This one I am pushing now is of my daughter I took ages ago... when the first video DSLRs hit the market.
[02:10] <troy_s> ScottL: I got an adaptor for my 24-70L lens and slapped it on a 4/3rds chip.
[02:11] <troy_s> ScottL: It was literally a quickie little muck around, slap it up, and slap it together. Took all of about 10 minutes.
[02:13] <troy_s> 7 mins.
[02:33] <troy_s> ScottL: Gah. Well I give up. Fair use of a track and YouTube blocked it. Lame.
[02:37] <ScottL> troy_s, ah, that sucks
[02:37] <ScottL> TheMuso, i also subscribed you to the plymouth bug report, with which i attached a debdiff
[02:37] <TheMuso> ScottL: ok thanks.
[02:38] <ScottL> TheMuso, <Ricardo Montalban voice> no my friend...thank you
[02:41] <TheMuso> np
[02:53] <TheMuso> ScottL: What did you change in debian/plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio.postinst?
[02:54] <TheMuso> I see your diff has some changes for that file, but can't easily work out what you may have changed.
[02:55] <TheMuso> c
[02:55] <ScottL> TheMuso, well, basically i copied what xubuntu did because what we had (which is what i copied from them previously) wasn't updating properly anymore
[02:55] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[02:56] <ScottL> it was only adding the theme and updating initramfs, but wasn't actually setting the theme as default
[02:56] <TheMuso> right
[02:57] <ScottL> i tested it on two machines of my own and ailo installed it last night (or two nights ago?) and it worked well
[02:57] <TheMuso> ok cool.
[03:00] <TheMuso> ScottL: I updated the bzr branch for ubuntustudio-look as well.
[03:01] <ScottL> TheMuso,  in cases such as these would you rather i update the branch and not include the debdiff, do both, or do exactly as i did this time?
[03:02] <TheMuso> ScottL: I think including a debdiff is good, but also update the branch, as I someone can simply pull the branch once the review is ok, and build the package from that.
[03:02] <ScottL> TheMuso, copy that, will do both in the future then :)
[03:02] <TheMuso> cool.
[03:03] <ScottL> there's a lot of people in this room now :)  shame that almost 10% are bots :(
[03:04] <TheMuso> Oh really? Thats not good.
[03:04] <ScottL> well, closer to 5%  but still not good as you said
[03:04] <TheMuso> ubuntulog: and ubottu I can understand, kubotu I know about..
[03:04] <ScottL> i think bluebug might be a bot as well
[03:05] <TheMuso> I suspect as much as well, after looking at the whois data for it.
[03:05] <ScottL> just started idling in the channel and i've never seen him/her/it talk before, even when queried directly
[03:05]  * TheMuso nods.
[13:08] <ScottL> no email from colin this morning, thanks TheMuso !
[17:12] <holstein> scott-work: ScottL 
[17:12] <holstein> i asked colin about the installer switch
[17:13] <holstein> the deal is, we would lose something going to a live CD
[17:13] <holstein> the 'package selection'
[17:13] <holstein> quite a change in the way things are currently
[17:13] <holstein> personally, i think its a good chagne
[17:14] <holstein> i remember staring at those options for a couple 6 or 8 installs before realzing what they really mean
[17:14] <falktx> holstein: i think US needs to clear the app list first
[17:15] <holstein> falktx: you mean?
[17:15] <holstein> the meta-packages?
[17:15] <falktx> holstein: there's a lot of apps installed by default, some are kinda useless
[17:15] <falktx> holstein: yes
[17:15] <holstein> falktx: if this live thing goes down
[17:15] <falktx> yep
[17:15] <holstein> i was thinking 11.10 or 12.4
[17:15] <holstein> 12.04*
[17:15] <falktx> holstein: i think it needs to be done before live-dvd
[17:15] <holstein> not anytime soon
[17:16] <holstein> yeah, i agree
[17:16] <falktx> holstein: do you have a pic of the new plymouth theme? (i want to see it...)
[17:19] <holstein> falktx: i cant find the clear pic
[17:19] <holstein> i have http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/video/plymouth.ogv
[17:20] <falktx> holstein: way better than the previous one!
[17:20] <falktx> seems cool, although I can see quite well
[17:20] <falktx> *cant
[17:20] <falktx> Natty is gonna be a good release for US
[17:20] <holstein> yeah
[17:21] <holstein> too bad about he kernel
[17:21] <holstein> and RT
[17:21] <holstein> but, we are addressing it
[17:28] <scott-work> falktx: that was what we were doing with the work flows bit, cleaning out the cruft, making sure what is there supports a viable work flow and is desired
[17:28] <scott-work> holstein: this will take some thought, meeting, and debate, i'm sure
[17:28] <falktx> scott-work: I'll use that research for kxstudio too
[17:28] <falktx> I need to release cadence first though
[17:29] <scott-work> falktx: if you want to use the new plymouth theme, it's already in ubuntustudio-look-0.39
[17:29] <scott-work> got updated last night :)
[17:29] <falktx> holstein: scott-work: btw, I now have a midi-keyboard, nice-looking knobs and level meter in cadence source
[17:29] <falktx> scott-work: yep, I think I'll backport it in the PPA, the current one is really bad...
[17:30] <scott-work> falktx: i made the first one, thanks!
[17:30] <scott-work> falktx: ;)
[17:30] <scott-work> falktx: seriously though, i did make it but i do realize it was bad
[17:31] <scott-work> falktx: no one in ubuntu studio realized that we were shifting to plymouth and we were past the freeze but we got an exception and i knocked it together over a weekend
[17:31] <holstein> scott-work: we'll bring it up in the next meeting 
[17:31] <falktx> scott-work: heh, you know me, I'm direct
[17:31] <scott-work> holstein: but first blush thinking: we can still ship a dvd, include the packages that would be included in the selections, make a script to run first after install, and give the option THEN to users to install stuff
[17:31] <holstein> scott-work: yup
[17:32] <scott-work> falktx: i'm was just messing with you anyway, i made it and know it's bad, but at least it got done :P
[17:32] <holstein> OR just install all the stuff
[17:32] <holstein> the basics
[17:32] <holstein> the audio, audio-plugins, video and graphics
[17:32] <scott-work> holstein: true, but we may just rethink the whole selection stuff anyway, maybe get rid of it, you install everything, everytime
[17:32] <scott-work> holstein: especially if we reduce the footprint as we did with natty, and maybe continue to do
[17:33] <holstein> these are not applications that are running in the background
[17:33] <holstein> we're not talking about compromising perfomance
[17:33] <holstein> just using up more HD space
[17:33] <holstein> and if im worried a lot obout HD space
[17:33] <holstein> i'll be the kind of user that get vanilla, or smaller
[17:33] <holstein> and adds what i want
[17:34] <holstein> scott-work: this would address most of my current concerns
[17:35] <holstein> the live CD, the look and feel of the install, the unattended install process
[17:35] <falktx> scott-work: yup, my kxstudio plymouth sucks too (just a copy from ubuntu-text theme) :)
[17:35] <holstein> we'll see
[17:35] <falktx> holstein: US will probably need a DVD
[17:35] <holstein> yeah
[17:35] <holstein> live DVD*
[17:36] <holstein> thats what i meant..
[17:37] <holstein> gives US compatibility with the USB creator
[17:37] <holstein> easy USB stick installs
[17:40] <scott-work> holstein: if we keep the dvd we can always include stuff on it that is not installed, which is nice because people who have downloaded it and then take it somewhere where there isn't internet can still install all the audio apps
[17:43] <holstein> scott-work: that would be the case with a live DVD though right?
[17:43] <holstein> if everything gets installed out-of-the-box?
[17:44] <scott-work> holstein: it could be, but doesn't have to be, we can still do some sort of minimalistic install for audio, then leave the rest on the dvd for later install without internets
[17:44] <holstein> sure
[17:44] <holstein> i gotta run for a bit
[17:44] <holstein> lets just think it through
[17:44] <holstein> see what we need
[17:45] <holstein> and go from there
[17:45] <holstein> maybe its not as big a deal to others
[17:45] <holstein> the live medium
[17:45] <holstein> i find it a serious limitation
[17:46] <scott-work> we could always build a live dvd by ourselves and offer a link on the website
[17:46] <scott-work> holstein: ^^^ this would all be apart from canonical and not built within the buildd system
[17:47] <scott-work> holstein: which would be more what falktx currently does with kxstudio
[17:47] <falktx> scott-work: I can do the ISO
[17:48] <falktx> scott-work: sorry If I did not made that one I promised some time ago, internet just sucks for me
[17:48] <scott-work> falktx: i understand, i would like your script when you do make the live ubuntustudio dvd
[17:49] <scott-work> falktx: i'm hoping to make my own live CD (not dvd) for audio, based on ubuntu studio
[17:49] <scott-work> just for fun mind you
[17:49] <scott-work> and to learn
[17:49] <falktx> cool
[18:54] <scott-work> ailo__: do you have a firewire device?
[18:55] <scott-work> holstein or ailo__: can either of you verify if enabling raw1394 still needs to be done to use a firewire device?
[19:09] <scott-work> holstein: ailo__ : also,  did anyone determine if the user actually needs to be in the audio group for firewire to work?
[19:10] <scott-work> doesn't the user need to be in the audio group for -rt privileges to work under JACK anyway?  even for non-firewire user?
[19:42] <scott-work> TheMuso, persia, paultag: if we were updating a package, say ubuntustudio-controls, when is the latest we can update the package without freeze exception?
[19:42] <scott-work> would that be feature freeze?
[19:44] <scott-work> ailo__ and holstein : i found this:  https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration#Permissions_and_ownership_for_.2Fdev.2Ffw.2A
[19:45] <paultag> heyya scott-work 
[19:45] <paultag> scott-work: um, final freeze, I think
[19:45] <paultag> scott-work: after that it should be RC bugs only
[19:46] <paultag> scott-work: really it should have been uploaded at the beginning of the cycle
[19:46] <paultag> scott-work: but I'm not sure at all. persia or TheMuso might have a better perspective
[19:54] <falktx> hey quadrispro
[19:54] <falktx> quadrispro: i noticed you're working on laditools
[19:55] <falktx> quadrispro: I always get FTBFS when building python apps on natty, do you know anything about it?
[19:57] <quadrispro> hi all
[19:57] <quadrispro> hi falktx 
[19:57] <quadrispro> i should take a look
[19:57] <quadrispro> falktx, take a look: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/laditools.git
[19:57] <quadrispro> I will install the modules in a private directory
[19:58] <quadrispro> it means that they won't be available to be used within other applications
[19:59] <falktx> ah, that solves
[19:59] <falktx> quadrispro: btw, opendesktop spec says that 'Categories=' should have a ';' at the end
[19:59] <falktx> "Categories=GTK;AudioVideo" should be "Categories=GTK;AudioVideo;"
[19:59] <falktx> quadrispro: ^
[20:00] <quadrispro> good, fixing it now
[20:01] <scott-work> quadrispro: are you staying around for about two minutes?
[20:02] <scott-work> quadrispro: someone who frequents this channel told me about this application which needs to be packaged:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/insight3dng/develop
[20:02] <quadrispro> hi scott-work! mmh.. I'll be back in 2 minutes, then I'll stay here
[20:02]  * quadrispro will be back soon
[20:02] <scott-work> quadrispro: he said it relies on open-cv
[20:02] <scott-work> sure, no problem
[20:02] <scott-work> ;)
[20:02] <falktx> scott-work: what is it?
[20:03] <scott-work> falktx: i'll copy his text
[20:03] <falktx> scott-work: no need
[20:03] <falktx> hehe, I read it now
[20:03] <scott-work> falktx: okay :)
[20:04] <falktx> scott-work: does it work?
[20:04] <scott-work> falktx:  that i don't know :|
[20:04] <falktx> hehe
[20:04] <falktx> quadrispro: tell me when laditools is ready so I can backport it (so it builds on natty too)
[20:05] <falktx> quadrispro: for ladish I've a custom package myself, to make ladish replace lash
[20:05] <scott-work> heh, paultag you probably saw that i updated the blueprint and i've been working on the spec as well
[20:05] <paultag> scott-work: yessir! 
[20:07] <falktx> quadrispro: you're missing some control dependencies in laditools:
[20:07] <falktx> python-rsvg, python-vte, python-wmdocklib, ladish
[20:07] <falktx> not sure if 'python-wmdocklib' is in debian though
[20:08] <scott-work> paultag: do you have a minute to talk?
[20:08] <scott-work> falktx: so ladish depends on laditools, but laditools depends on ladish?
[20:09] <paultag> scott-work: yessir, what's up?
[20:10] <falktx> scott-work: kinda...
[20:10] <falktx> scott-work: ladish should not depend on laditools, but the author is lazy making his own jack-config window
[20:10] <falktx> quadrispro: for you^ , sorry scott-work
[20:11] <falktx> quadrispro: you can make ladish recommend laditools only
[20:12] <falktx> quadrispro: note that ladish only depends on laditools because of it's GUI (it's not a build dependency)
[20:12] <falktx> quadrispro: it's possible to split ladish and gladish (the GUI) and make only the GUI recommend laditools
[20:14] <persia> ScottL, You can update the package at any time: the freezes only control the *type* of update.  Post FeatureFreeze, you aren't to add any new features.  Past String Freeze, you aren't to add any new user-visible strings.  As the release proceeds, you want to consider the risk of breaking things *very* carefully when updating.
[20:16] <scott-work> thank you persia :)
[20:35] <falktx> quadrispro: please dont give up on ladish...
[20:51] <quadrispro> i'm back
[20:51] <quadrispro> but i have to go soon :(
[20:51] <quadrispro> falktx, don't worry, ladish will be in experimental soon
[20:51] <quadrispro> hi persia !
[20:51] <persia> Hi quadrispro 
[20:52] <quadrispro> scott-work, please send me a remind :)
[20:52] <falktx> quadrispro: cool, many thanks
[20:52] <quadrispro> falktx, python-wmdocklib is not available, I'll drop wmladi
[20:53] <scott-work> quadrispro: certainly, how much later would you like it?
[20:53] <quadrispro> falktx, you too, please send me a reminder with your hints
[20:53] <falktx> quadrispro: I have it packaged it on my ppa - https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1403747/+listing-archive-extra
[20:53] <falktx> quadrispro: i'll send you an email now
[20:53] <quadrispro> scott-work, whenever you want, I'll let you know as soon as possible, now getting out to have a beer
[20:54] <quadrispro> falktx, same to you :)
[20:54] <scott-work> quadrispro: enjoy your beer :)
[20:56] <quadrispro> see you later
[21:00] <holstein> scott-work: i will double check
[21:01] <holstein> about groups
[21:01] <holstein> i didnt need to add video group