/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/26/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ari-tczewJontheEchidna: forgive me to making you busy ;)02:31
ScottKRiddell: Debian is likely releasing Squeeze weekend after this one (5-6 Feb).  We ought to be ready with some kind of congratulations something for kubuntu.org.03:09
ScottKryanakca: ^^^03:10
ScottKRiddell: python-qt4 depends on python2.6 fixed (it just needed a rebuild).04:12
RiddellI feel an upstream release in the air08:22
Tm_Tthe certain scent in the wind? freshly baked cookies?08:26
Riddellgood, language packs built over night08:29
* Riddell starts by uploading phonon08:29
Riddelleek!  what's happened to slashdot?!08:35
valoriehttp://meta.slashdot.org/story/11/01/25/163257/Slashdot-Launches-Re-Design08:44
markeyhaha, just did a apt-get upgrade09:24
markeyand thought: Blimey, those are a lot of packages!09:24
markeyturns out, I was in the wrong konsole, it was ssh to my other box 09:24
markeyrunning a super old Kubuntu09:25
markeyheh09:25
apacheloggerme too09:25
apacheloggerand only yesterday I read that it is a good thing to have a super old Kubuntu as now natty is getting a broken X :P09:25
apacheloggerahaha, you shall all suffer from lack of wobbly windows!09:26
apacheloggerbut not me muhahahaha09:26
valorieterrible!09:26
* apachelogger could not live without them09:26
apacheloggerthat said, gsoc ideas for kwin are all sorts of intersting09:26
markeystill no Phonon though :(09:27
markeyuhm09:29
markey"Setting up vlc (1.1.4-1ubuntu1.3)"09:29
markeywhat's that good for?09:29
markeythey just released 1.1.609:29
markeywith the fix for the file selector09:29
markeymore useful, no?09:30
valorieapachelogger: are you going to do GSoC?09:32
apacheloggersure09:32
apacheloggerloads of important things to do09:32
valorieas a mentor, or student?09:32
apacheloggerstudent09:32
valorie\o/09:32
* apachelogger actually needs to bribe someone into mentoring09:32
apacheloggerthe stuff I want to do is rather mentorless, which is the reason I want to do it ;)09:32
valoriePoettering?09:33
apacheloggerstupid unmaintained software09:33
valorie:-)09:33
apachelogger...09:33
valorielol09:33
apacheloggerbecause he maintains PA so well :P09:33
valoriethus my suggestion09:33
apacheloggerhm09:33
apacheloggerit would appear my cups is the broken09:33
apacheloggerI wonder how that happened09:33
apacheloggerD [26/Jan/2011:10:33:03 +0100] [Job 98] prnt/backend/hp.c 745: ERROR: open device failed stat=12: hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P2055d?serial=S161DSG09:34
apachelogger-.-09:34
apacheloggerstrange09:36
apacheloggeropening the printer kcm fixed it09:36
agateauAnyone (using kdm) can tell me if the environment variable QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM is set after login?10:17
Riddelldiffering symbol files on arm make my cry10:17
Riddellagateau: yes we set that to raster in natty10:17
agateauRiddell: I am actually asking this because here it is *not* set10:17
agateauRiddell: I am in fact investigating another problem which seems to come from the fact that kdm does not set some environment variables10:18
agateauRiddell: is it really set for you?10:19
debfxagateau: bug #68839310:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 688393 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Natty) "Global "X11/Xsession" script is not sourced in "kdm/Xsession" script" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68839310:19
debfxwill be fixed once 4.6.0 is uploaded10:19
agateaudebfx: ah ok10:19
Riddell4.6.0 is being uploaded right now10:19
agateauRiddell: this means raster engine has not really be tested for a while :/10:21
debfxRiddell: which package has symbol issues?10:31
Riddelldebfx: phonon10:32
debfxI'll have a look at it10:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: morning at ... 3AM... yeah 10:57
debfxRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/phonon_4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff10:58
apacheloggerI am a lumberjack and I am ok and I sleep all night and work all day10:58
Riddelldebfx: damn, how do you do that?11:00
debfxRiddell: pkgkde-symbolshelper patch -p libphonon4 -v 4:4.7.0really4.4.4 < armel_build_log11:02
shadeslayerhehe11:03
Riddelldebfx: are you using scott's arm builders?11:05
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/222408011:05
shadeslayerhuh11:05
Riddelloh aye11:05
debfxRiddell: no, I downloaded the armel build log from launchpad11:06
Riddellshadeslayer: needs kdesdk to build, it hasn't even uploaded yet11:07
shadeslayeramd64 is building tho o_o11:07
Riddelldebfx: thanks, uploaded11:07
Riddellshadeslayer: kdesdk built on amd64 before11:08
shadeslayerah11:08
debfxRiddell: I hope libphononexperimental4 doesn't have the same problems11:10
shadeslayerRiddell: kdevplatform on arm is broken ...  kdelibs5-dev : Depends: kdoctools (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed11:10
shadeslayerbut kde4libs built fine on armel11:10
Riddellwhen did it build?11:11
shadeslayeran hour ago11:12
Riddellwait for the publisher to publish it then11:12
shadeslayeri think its published11:12
shadeslayerhuh ... kdelibs takes 11 hours to build on armel o_o11:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: what the http://www.oreillymaker.com/link/38458/holy-java/11:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: pre-ordering starts on monday on amazon11:19
shadeslayero_o11:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: Y U LOVE JAHVAH11:19
shadeslayerjahavah is evil11:19
apacheloggerno11:19
apacheloggerread the book and you will also love it11:19
shadeslayerit eats unicorns and ponies with its main()11:19
apacheloggerno11:20
apacheloggeras I explained earlier, mains make a lot of sense for assuring reliability11:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: look facebook, then you know what an evil thing does11:23
* apachelogger leaves for exam11:24
Riddellapachelogger is a Jahvah's Witness, he'll be coming round your door telling you about the truth of servlets11:34
Riddellshadeslayer: any plans for packaging kipi-plugins?11:44
tazzlol @  Jahvah's Witness11:49
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah i just started on them:)11:52
* Riddell moves 4.6.0 and whatnot to kubuntu-ppa/backports11:55
ulysseso.O, apt-get wants to remove half of my system12:15
shadeslayerulysses: maverick??12:19
ulyssesshadeslayer: Natty12:20
shadeslayerah12:20
shadeslayerulysses: half the packages arent built yet 12:20
shadeslayerso ... wait :P12:20
ulysses4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for Natty? o.O12:21
shadeslayerRiddell: kipi plugins uploaded to ninja for natty12:28
Riddellthanks shadeslayer 12:28
shadeslayer:)12:29
debfxRiddell: gstreamer0.10-packagekit needs to be promoted to main12:34
shadeslayerdebfx: MIR filed?12:35
debfxshadeslayer: the source package (packagekit) is already in main12:36
shadeslayerah 12:36
shadeslayeri thought it was a new package :P12:36
ximiondebfx: Do you use gstreamer0.10-packagekit in Kubuntu?12:41
ximion(I mean as default setting for Kubuntu...)12:41
debfxximion: we will use it in natty12:42
ximiondebfx: Good to know :) (I'm currently making some changes to make use of of it a little easier on Debian)12:43
ximionbtw: You might want to make the kubuntu-metapackage install "debconf-kde-helper"12:43
shadeslayer4.6 release notification will be up any minute now12:44
ximionthis makes all PackageKit tools, inclusing GNOME-PackageKit, GStreamer PlugIns and command-line tools display KDE Debconf dialogs12:44
ximion!info debconf-kde-helper12:44
ubottuPackage debconf-kde-helper does not exist in maverick12:44
shadeslayerhmm12:47
tazzshadeslayer, you'll have to tell me more about kde packaging when we meet up.12:49
shadeslayertazz: sure12:49
debfxximion: kpackagekit links against debconf-kde so why would we need it?12:49
tazzi am just not able to get the env setup properly.12:49
shadeslayertazz: whats the problem?12:49
shadeslayeralso12:49
shadeslayerLP ate my upload :|12:49
shadeslayerhmm12:50
shadeslayerwhy am i not logged in o_o12:50
debfxshadeslayer: that's why it's called lunchpad12:51
shadeslayer:P12:51
shadeslayerdebfx: i got the upload mail ... but i dont see my package being built in the ppa :P12:51
tazzshadeslayer, i tried setting up a build environment a little while back using this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete i wanted to build a .deb for amarok.12:51
tazzbut then i ran into issues with pbuilder.12:51
tazzand gave up after a little while.12:52
shadeslayerhehe :P12:52
shadeslayer!pbuilder | tazz did you see this?12:52
ubottutazz did you see this?: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto12:52
ximiondebfx: Cause only KPackageKit is able to display debconf-kde dialogs, with the helper, all PK tools can display the dialogs.12:52
ximionincluding all plugins and command-line-tools12:52
* tazz clicks...12:52
shadeslayertazz: thats the best guide on setting up a pbuilder12:52
ximion!info debconf-kde-helper natty12:52
ubottudebconf-kde-helper (source: debconf-kde): Debconf KDE GUI frontend tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1+git20101228-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 7 kB, installed size 60 kB12:52
tazzshadeslayer, thanks.12:52
shadeslayersure np12:53
shadeslayerRiddell: kipi-plugins for maverick uploaded to ninjas as well12:54
Riddellawesomeness12:55
ximiondebfx: Currently looking at the pk-gstreamer code... without the helper, pk-gstreamer won't display Debconf KDE dialogs, cause it does not use the kpackagekit libs12:58
ximion(for example)12:58
ScottKRiddell: Does "Remove libhupnp-dev build-dep, not used by upstream in this release" mean I can update hupnp to the version KDE trunk wants without worrying about if it's compatible with KDE 4.6?13:01
ScottK(It would make trunk builds on Natty easier)13:01
RiddellScottK: sure, KDE won't use it until 4.7 now13:03
ScottKCool.13:03
ScottKDone.13:04
ScottKshadeslayer: ^^^ should help with Neon builds on Natty.13:05
shadeslayeryayy13:05
shadeslayerScottK: but were targetting maverick as of now .... so ... will help only in natty i guess :)13:06
ScottKshadeslayer: Yes, but eventually.  Also the package can be backported if you want.13:07
shadeslayerok :)13:08
shadeslayeriirc we did have hupnp on our packaging page13:09
Riddell4.6.0 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports 13:09
Riddelltesting needed13:09
ScottKRiddell: Apparently Mark forwarded asiego to us for something regarding the Qt in Ubuntu discussion. http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2011/01/collaboration-at-opensuse.html - Do you know of this?13:10
shadeslayeri was wondering the same thing when i read the article this morning13:10
RiddellScottK: yes, and I forwarded it to the unity-2d developers, who haven't replied13:11
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I think it'd be nice if the answer ended up being "Aaron, in the long run you're right and we need to figure out the lower level stuff, but in the mean time we'll use this dconf thing."13:12
shadeslayerwhat development files does one use for mono?13:14
shadeslayerlibmono-devel isnt cutting it13:14
ScottKOne doesn't if one has any taste.13:15
shadeslayerScottK: sadly qyoto bindings need them13:15
ScottKAh.  I'd ask Laney or directhex on #ubuntu-devel.13:15
shadeslayeralright :)13:16
Riddellshadeslayer: packaging qyoto for neon?13:16
shadeslayeryep13:16
shadeslayeri think only 3-4 bindings are left13:17
shadeslayeri could dep on mono-complete :P13:18
shadeslayercli-common-dev did it13:21
shadeslayerok ... bbl13:28
Riddellshadeslayer: erk, how many are there?13:29
shadeslayerRiddell: 10 ... :S13:36
Riddellshadeslayer: yowsers13:37
shadeslayerRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging 13:37
Riddellkubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6 (not on front page yet)13:54
Riddellon front page now, including banner14:11
Quintasanshadeslayer: did you file a bug to sync SIP?14:53
QuintasanI forgot14:54
QuintasanRiddell: ^^14:54
RiddellQuintasan: is it in debian now?14:55
QuintasanUnless POX did some magic it should be14:55
Riddellno, still in New http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html14:55
Quintasan<POX> Quintasan: 611089, 611090, 611091, 611092, 611095, 609960, and 611072 have to be fixed before DktrKranz will unblock sip414:57
QuintasanFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-14:57
ulyssesDebian...:/14:57
Riddellwell can we just get the packaging and upload it?14:59
QuintasanI think we could14:59
QuintasanRiddell: debcheckout sip4-qt315:00
Quintasanaaaand15:00
shadeslayerRiddell: banner now looks weird15:01
Riddellshadeslayer: how so?15:01
shadeslayeridk ... the 4.6 announcement looks out of place :(15:01
QuintasanRiddell: and apply this http://paste.ubuntu.com/558573/15:01
RiddellQuintasan: use paste.kde.org please15:02
RiddellI can't wget with p.u.c15:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: i slayed yet another binding today .... so ....now there are 5 left :P15:02
Quintasanshadeslayer: paste.kde.org for pastebinit nao15:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: its there!15:02
shadeslayerkwait15:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.kde.org/3367 << put that in ~/pastebin.d15:03
QuintasanRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/3368/15:03
shadeslayerQuintasan: and then : "alias pastebinit='pastebinit -b http://paste.kde.org'" in your bashrc or whatever shell you use15:04
debfxQuintasan: 4.12.1 is uploaded in debian15:04
Quintasan...15:04
QuintasanRiddell: ^^15:04
shadeslayerooh15:04
QuintasanWhat on Earth15:04
shadeslayerNew X stack in natty15:05
shadeslayerexpected b0rkage15:05
Riddellyay, kdm might finally not crash on logout, right click menus might work15:05
RiddellQuintasan: our current sip package has doko making a change "Stop trying to build python3 support in the python2 packages."  does this package overcome that?15:06
QuintasanI think this is the stuff I was doing all the time15:08
debfxRiddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/476 (from kde-packer)15:08
QuintasanIt is building in my pbuilder15:08
Quintasanthought you will surely test it :P15:08
debfx*kde-packager15:09
Riddellthanks debfx, I'll upload that now15:09
RiddellQuintasan: ah yes, separate python3-sip package15:09
RiddellQuintasan: sip4 uploaded, thanks!15:12
Quintasanshadeslayer: ^15:12
QuintasanSpin the bindings rulette15:12
Quintasanroulette*15:12
Riddellwho's up for python-qt4?15:13
QuintasanRiddell: MALLOC_CHECK_=3 in 4.6.015:15
QuintasanDid you read it?15:15
RiddellQuintasan: yes, debfx just added the fix and I'm uploading now15:16
QuintasanGreat.15:17
debfxRiddell: I'm working on pyqt415:21
Riddellawesomeness15:22
ScottKdebfx: You probably saw I rebuilt it to get rid of the libpython2.6 dependency.  I've no idea if it's possible or not, but it would be nice if there were a way to convince dh_shlibsdeps it should depend on libpython{default} | libpython{non-default}.15:28
debfxScottK: it includes a plugin for qt designer which is built against the default python version15:33
ScottKdebfx: Would it make sense to build it for all supported python versions?15:33
ScottKI guess since it's more application than module, probably not.15:34
Riddellhmm, anyone know the password to the kubuntu_news account on twitter?15:34
ScottKNope.  Sorry.15:34
DaskreechI suppose it's not in the wiki?15:34
Daskreech:-)15:34
debfxScottK: no, unless you introduce some kind of alternative system15:35
Riddell"Ok, we've sent the instructions to your email."  wonder where that goes15:35
ScottKdebfx: OK.  I don't.15:35
shadeslayerso a bit late ... but yayy ... i have KDE 4.6 :P15:39
ScottKIs the lack of kdebindings 4.6.0 in Natty on purpose?15:43
shadeslayerScottK: i think yes ... because of SIP15:44
ScottKQuintasan: Can you make a -0ubuntu1 version of your sip4 package (same as -1 except debian/changelog) so we don't have to wait on Debian New.15:45
QuintasanScottK: I think yes, but it only requires to change the version in changelog15:46
QuintasanI do not think there are any more changes since POX commited the changes I made15:46
ScottKQuintasan: Yes.  I can do that if you can point me at the final  package.15:46
QuintasanScottK: debcheckout sip4-qt3 , apply http://paste.kde.org/3368/ and change the version15:47
QuintasanI tested it with sid and natty pbuilders15:48
Quintasanand it was working15:48
ScottKOK.15:48
QuintasanScottK: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Downloads/sip4/sip-4.12.1.tar.gz15:48
QuintasanSo you can wget everything :)15:48
Riddell"Added K3B_ENABLE_HAL_SUPPORT option to the build configuration. It allows to disable any direct calls to HAL"  http://k3b.plainblack.com/  yay15:48
RiddellScottK: sip4 in natty now15:49
shadeslayerhahah ... MALLOC_CHECK kills eclipse ...15:49
ScottKRiddell: Cool.15:49
ScottKThen we just need PyQt4 ....15:49
ryanakcaScottK: Sounds good15:50
RiddellScottK: debfx is packaging pyqt415:50
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  We've discussed it a bit.15:50
ScottKryanakca: Can you prepare something so we'll be ready?15:50
ryanakcaScottK: I'm away that weekend (grandmum's 80th), but I'll write a blurb up and pass it on to you by then15:50
ryanakcaYes :)15:50
ScottKryanakca: Great.  I should be around to publish it.15:51
ScottKWe also need to deal with Debian bugs 611089, 611090, 611091, 611092, 611095, 609960, and 61107 in Ubuntu.15:51
ubottuDebian bug 611089 in src:qgis "depends on transitonal sip4 packages" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/61108915:51
ubottuDebian bug 611090 in src:scidavis "depends on transitonal sip4 packages" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/61109015:51
ubottuDebian bug 611091 in src:avogadro "depends on transitonal sip4 packages" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/61109115:51
ubottuDebian bug 611092 in src:calibre "depends on transitonal sip4 packages" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/61109215:51
ubottuDebian bug 611095 in src:salome "depends on transitonal sip4 packages" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/61109515:52
ScottKOops.  Didn't realize it would take a list.15:52
RiddellI never new so many packages used sip15:52
Riddellknew15:52
shadeslayeri can try and fix avogadro tonight :)15:53
Riddellit's just a quick fix to the build-depends line, wouldn't take long to do them all15:55
shadeslayerbbiab15:58
* Riddell out for a bit too15:59
shadeslayerherp derp16:02
shadeslayerkdewebkit is still not fixed16:02
shadeslayerAJAX doesnt work as well16:02
shadeslayer:'(16:02
\shshadeslayer: what doesn't work?16:05
shadeslayer\sh: try rekonq + KDE 4.6 ... commenting on LP doesnt work as well as loading Ajax pages 16:05
\shshadeslayer: kde 4.6 just installs here on my mav install16:06
shadeslayerok ... the ajax part seems to be rekonq specific :|16:06
shadeslayernot good16:06
ScottKRiddell: Do you think you can get some Canonical/Linaro arm person to look at qtwebkit-source?  I've no idea where to even start on that one.16:11
shadeslayerRiddell: latest rekonq git + Ajax works .... i just sent a mail to kdewebkit devel mailing list about the LP issue16:17
mfraz74Just upgraded to KDE 4.6 on a netbook and I'm getting the error: Xsession: unable to launch "" X session --- "" not found; falling back to 16:38
mfraz74default session.16:38
mfraz74plus plasma desktop shell is crashing after the desktop appears16:39
shadeslayermfraz74: i think that issue ( plasma-desktop shell crashing ) was fixed16:40
shadeslayermfraz74: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261646 16:40
ubottuKDE bug 261646 in general "Plasma crashes when having multiple desktops" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]16:40
mfraz74shadeslayer: i've only just upgraded16:41
shadeslayermfraz74: have a look at that bug report and compare backtraces :)16:41
mfraz74shadeslayer: what about the xsession errors?16:41
shadeslayerno idea on that16:42
mfraz74can't find anything wrong in /var/log/Xorg.0.log16:50
mfraz74shadeslayer: can you do ls /usr/share/xsessions and tell me what you have in that directory?16:53
shadeslayermfraz74: kde-plasma.desktop16:53
mfraz74ok, that's what i have. before that I did locate xsession and it found the file kde.desktop16:54
mfraz74is something still looking for that file?16:54
shadeslayeri dont think so16:54
shadeslayermfraz74: maybe #ubuntu-x knows?16:55
shadeslayeralso16:55
shadeslayermfraz74: natty or maverick?16:55
mfraz74shadeslayer: maverick16:55
shadeslayerhmm..16:55
mfraz74it is there in my main computer with KDE 4.5.5.16:55
shadeslayerlol16:59
shadeslayerScottK: did you fix all them bugs already?16:59
shadeslayer:P16:59
ScottKNo.  Trying to do $WORK right now.17:00
shadeslayerok :)17:00
shadeslayerbecause avogadro was fixed :P17:00
mfraz74https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26435217:03
ubottuKDE bug 264352 in general "Plasma shell crashes when booting" [Crash,Unconfirmed]17:03
Riddellshadeslayer: does rekonq have any sort of release schedule currently?17:04
shadeslayerRiddell: alpha in 3 weeks17:04
shadeslayerand thats when we have a feature freeze17:04
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mfraz74shadeslayer: copied the contents of kde-plasma.desktop to kde.desktop and i don't get the xsession error now17:05
shadeslayer@_@17:05
* seaLne now has a very broken natty install mainly it looks like due to: phonon-backend-gstreamer : Depends: libphonon4 (= 4:4.7.0really4.4.3-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2 is to be installed17:07
shadeslayermfraz74: looks like a exact dupe of kde bug 26159317:08
ubottuKDE bug 261593 in widget-clock "Frequent plasma-desktop crashes [KCalCore::IncidenceBase::isReadOnly, CalendarSupport::Calendar::Private::dataChanged]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26159317:08
shadeslayerseaLne: can you update sources and try again>17:09
RiddellseaLne: hmm, phonon-backend-gstreamer 4.4.4 really should have been published by now, I wonder what's up17:09
seaLneshadeslayer: unfortunatly no change17:09
shadeslayerRiddell: thats what i was wondering :P17:09
Riddell"Binary packages awaiting approval in NEW queue:"  but I approved them hours ago17:10
Riddellhmm, apparantly I didn't17:11
RiddellAccepting phonon-backend-gstreamer17:11
Riddellok should appear around 18:40 GMT17:11
RiddellseaLne: download the .deb if you want it quicker https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/222409617:11
shadeslayerRiddell: whats the new source package for sip4-qt317:12
Riddellshadeslayer: sip417:12
shadeslayerRiddell: nothing here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip417:12
mfraz74how do i add my bug as a duplicate of the other one?17:12
Riddellwell it's also stuck in New17:12
seaLneRiddell: ty 1840 would have been leaving it a bit tight for leaving to get through to yours :)17:12
Riddellmfraz74: Mark as Duplicate on right hand side17:13
RiddellseaLne: any preference for booze?17:13
seaLnei'll have car so won't really be drinking17:13
Riddellirn bru it is then17:14
mfraz74Riddell: thanks17:14
shadeslayer<3 irn bru17:14
seaLneRiddell: should i be bringing anything?17:15
RiddellseaLne: your favourite poem :)17:15
seaLneone fine day in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight.... :-)17:16
shadeslayerRiddell: so apparently commenting on LP works for adawit but not for me17:19
shadeslayerand the code is there in 4.6 to correct the issue17:19
BugsbaneAre the 4.6 packages still rolling out to the main server? I'm getting some dependency errors on the gstreamer backend...17:25
RiddellBugsbane: for natty yes17:25
Bugsbanek thx17:25
Riddell17:11 < Riddell> seaLne: download the .deb if you want it quicker https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/222409617:25
BugsbaneAwesome17:26
Riddellalthough I don't know how complete the rest of the stack is17:26
Bugsbaneeta? a couple of hours? a few?17:26
Riddellphonon-backend-gstreamer will be in the archive in a bit over an hour17:26
Bugsbaneok. I'll just avoid rebooting then (xserver-video-all got removed and kubuntu-desktop won't install .>, lol)17:27
seaLnemy current problem is with apport failing to configure17:27
seaLnesubprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 117:28
ulyssesseaLne: stop apport with 'sudo service apport stop', then it should be work17:28
Bugsbaneack. I hate that one. I think echidnaman just posted a patch for that...17:28
seaLneulysses: tried that and it didn't17:28
seaLnewell actually /etc/init....17:29
seaLnehmm but stopping then dpkg got it ok17:30
ScottKRiddell: I can look at sip4 in New.17:39
Riddellthanks17:39
ScottKRiddell: sip4 source accepted.  You can remove sip4-qt3 source only.17:46
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Quintasansheytan: can has neon and blog backgrounds? ^_^18:06
Quintasansheytan: are we getting bindings any soon or the sip is not enough? >_<18:06
ScottKQuintasan: Need python-qt4 too.  debfx is on it.18:06
QuintasanPhew. Some more python and I would turn into an apachelogger18:07
shadeslayerQuintasan: s/python/Java18:15
QuintasanJava doesnt make one mad18:15
QuintasanOnly Pyth0rns do18:16
nigelbQuintasan: Python only makes you do this --> http://xkcd.com/353/18:16
QuintasanAin't that essentially going mad?18:16
shadeslayerwithout even opening the link i can tell its the antigravity one18:17
shadeslayer*click*18:17
shadeslayersee18:17
nigelbhaha18:17
nigelbit is!18:17
nigelbthat is the classic python xkcd!18:17
Quintasanxkcd nerds18:17
Quintasan:P18:17
shadeslayerive had too much xkcd 18:17
shadeslayer:P18:17
nigelbI think we can identify number with picture already.18:17
evdvelde hi all, trying to install kde sc 4.6, is it normal that there are broken packages? thx in advance!18:30
mfraz74with the two updates i did this afternoon, i wouldn't recommend 4.6 anyway18:30
ScottKRiddell: python-kde4 is uninstallable on the buildds due to some Universe depends (this is why workspace FTBFS).18:31
evdveldemfraz74: why? what is wrong?18:31
ulyssesevdvelde: kdebase-workspace failed to build, so there'll be broken dependencies18:32
mfraz74i get a "plasma shell has crashed" error come up with both every time i boot18:32
evdveldeulysses: why have the maintainers uploaded the packages if an important build failed?18:34
mfraz74kdebase-workspace is showing that it can be upgraded here to 4.6.0a18:35
ulyssesbecause they didn't know it will be fail?18:35
ulyssesmfraz74: Maverick or Natty?18:35
mfraz74ulysses: maverick18:35
evdveldeulysses: it seems odd to start uploading packages of kde sc before everything has been build, this is bound to fail one day18:36
ulyssesMaverick is OK, only Natty is in trouble18:36
mfraz74ulysses: ok18:36
ulyssesevdvelde: most of KDE can be built without kdebase-workspace, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph18:38
RiddellScottK: oh I though that was due to phonon18:46
RiddellScottK: just installed it in a chroot and the only universe stuff is brought in by phonon-backend-vlc, so I think it'll be fine once -gstreamer finally arrives18:52
ScottKOK18:52
Riddellhello Bodia 19:15
* Riddell retries kdebase-workspace19:15
Bodiahi19:15
sheytanQuintasan, don't feel in mood today, sorry ;/19:31
DarkwingDuckjjesse: ping20:28
macoRiddell: would it be possible to split akonaditray out of kdepim-runtime into its own package so that its not autoinstalled for edubuntu users? it creates an unnecessary menu entry?20:30
jjesseDarkwingDuck pong20:30
DarkwingDuckWhoot.20:30
macoRiddell: (if you think its possible, im willing to give it a try)20:30
DarkwingDuckjjesse: where are we at on the docs?20:31
DarkwingDuckNow that I have a computer again I can get back into this.20:31
jjesseDarkwingDuck: i haven't updated the wiki if that is what you are asking20:31
jjessei think i cleaned up all references to OpenOffice in both office.xml and in the kde-menus.ent file20:31
DarkwingDuckkk20:31
jjessealso all the entities are current20:31
DarkwingDuckOkay20:31
DarkwingDuckYeah, this wiki needs updating.20:32
jjesseummm just grab an updated branch and check ;)20:32
DarkwingDuckYeah I just did LOL20:33
DarkwingDuck:P:P20:33
* DarkwingDuck grabs the live daily20:33
rbelemRiddell, ping20:36
apacheloggersomeone broke my kmix :(21:42
yofelRiddell, ScottK: got an estimate when sip will be synced? If not soon I'll copy kdebindings 4.5.90 to kubuntu-ppa/backports, since the maverick backports are currently broken since there are no 4.6 bindings21:44
ScottKyofel: sip4 is in Natty.22:16
ScottKyofel: I'd go ahead with the 4.5.90 bindings in any case while we wait.22:17
yofelk22:17
debfxScottK: could you sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/python-qt4_4.8.3-0ubuntu1.dsc22:56
ScottKdebfx: Looking22:57
nixternalhow is natty shaping up? close to being usable?23:02
yofelnatty is fine, though xserver 1.10 is coming, so it'll be pretty broken the next few days23:03
nixternalyofel: thanks for that heads up. i will wait for that then23:04
nixternalis intel gfx working better in natty than it does in maverick?23:04
nixternalsilly amarok in the ppa doesn't have ampache built in so i am building23:05
ScottKdebfx: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.23:07

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