[02:31] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: forgive me to making you busy ;)
[03:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Debian is likely releasing Squeeze weekend after this one (5-6 Feb).  We ought to be ready with some kind of congratulations something for kubuntu.org.
[03:10] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^^
[04:12] <ScottK> Riddell: python-qt4 depends on python2.6 fixed (it just needed a rebuild).
[08:22] <Riddell> I feel an upstream release in the air
[08:26] <Tm_T> the certain scent in the wind? freshly baked cookies?
[08:29] <Riddell> good, language packs built over night
[08:29]  * Riddell starts by uploading phonon
[08:35] <Riddell> eek!  what's happened to slashdot?!
[08:44] <valorie> http://meta.slashdot.org/story/11/01/25/163257/Slashdot-Launches-Re-Design
[09:24] <markey> haha, just did a apt-get upgrade
[09:24] <markey> and thought: Blimey, those are a lot of packages!
[09:24] <markey> turns out, I was in the wrong konsole, it was ssh to my other box 
[09:25] <markey> running a super old Kubuntu
[09:25] <markey> heh
[09:25] <apachelogger> me too
[09:25] <apachelogger> and only yesterday I read that it is a good thing to have a super old Kubuntu as now natty is getting a broken X :P
[09:26] <apachelogger> ahaha, you shall all suffer from lack of wobbly windows!
[09:26] <apachelogger> but not me muhahahaha
[09:26] <valorie> terrible!
[09:26]  * apachelogger could not live without them
[09:26] <apachelogger> that said, gsoc ideas for kwin are all sorts of intersting
[09:27] <markey> still no Phonon though :(
[09:29] <markey> uhm
[09:29] <markey> "Setting up vlc (1.1.4-1ubuntu1.3)"
[09:29] <markey> what's that good for?
[09:29] <markey> they just released 1.1.6
[09:29] <markey> with the fix for the file selector
[09:30] <markey> more useful, no?
[09:32] <valorie> apachelogger: are you going to do GSoC?
[09:32] <apachelogger> sure
[09:32] <apachelogger> loads of important things to do
[09:32] <valorie> as a mentor, or student?
[09:32] <apachelogger> student
[09:32] <valorie> \o/
[09:32]  * apachelogger actually needs to bribe someone into mentoring
[09:32] <apachelogger> the stuff I want to do is rather mentorless, which is the reason I want to do it ;)
[09:33] <valorie> Poettering?
[09:33] <apachelogger> stupid unmaintained software
[09:33] <valorie> :-)
[09:33] <apachelogger> ...
[09:33] <valorie> lol
[09:33] <apachelogger> because he maintains PA so well :P
[09:33] <valorie> thus my suggestion
[09:33] <apachelogger> hm
[09:33] <apachelogger> it would appear my cups is the broken
[09:33] <apachelogger> I wonder how that happened
[09:34] <apachelogger> D [26/Jan/2011:10:33:03 +0100] [Job 98] prnt/backend/hp.c 745: ERROR: open device failed stat=12: hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P2055d?serial=S161DSG
[09:34] <apachelogger> -.-
[09:36] <apachelogger> strange
[09:36] <apachelogger> opening the printer kcm fixed it
[10:17] <agateau> Anyone (using kdm) can tell me if the environment variable QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM is set after login?
[10:17] <Riddell> differing symbol files on arm make my cry
[10:17] <Riddell> agateau: yes we set that to raster in natty
[10:17] <agateau> Riddell: I am actually asking this because here it is *not* set
[10:18] <agateau> Riddell: I am in fact investigating another problem which seems to come from the fact that kdm does not set some environment variables
[10:19] <agateau> Riddell: is it really set for you?
[10:19] <debfx> agateau: bug #688393
[10:19] <debfx> will be fixed once 4.6.0 is uploaded
[10:19] <agateau> debfx: ah ok
[10:19] <Riddell> 4.6.0 is being uploaded right now
[10:21] <agateau> Riddell: this means raster engine has not really be tested for a while :/
[10:31] <debfx> Riddell: which package has symbol issues?
[10:32] <Riddell> debfx: phonon
[10:44] <debfx> I'll have a look at it
[10:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: morning at ... 3AM... yeah 
[10:58] <debfx> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/phonon_4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[10:58] <apachelogger> I am a lumberjack and I am ok and I sleep all night and work all day
[11:00] <Riddell> debfx: damn, how do you do that?
[11:02] <debfx> Riddell: pkgkde-symbolshelper patch -p libphonon4 -v 4:4.7.0really4.4.4 < armel_build_log
[11:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:05] <Riddell> debfx: are you using scott's arm builders?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2224080
[11:05] <shadeslayer> huh
[11:05] <Riddell> oh aye
[11:06] <debfx> Riddell: no, I downloaded the armel build log from launchpad
[11:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: needs kdesdk to build, it hasn't even uploaded yet
[11:07] <shadeslayer> amd64 is building tho o_o
[11:07] <Riddell> debfx: thanks, uploaded
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdesdk built on amd64 before
[11:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:10] <debfx> Riddell: I hope libphononexperimental4 doesn't have the same problems
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdevplatform on arm is broken ...  kdelibs5-dev : Depends: kdoctools (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:10] <shadeslayer> but kde4libs built fine on armel
[11:11] <Riddell> when did it build?
[11:12] <shadeslayer> an hour ago
[11:12] <Riddell> wait for the publisher to publish it then
[11:12] <shadeslayer> i think its published
[11:14] <shadeslayer> huh ... kdelibs takes 11 hours to build on armel o_o
[11:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what the http://www.oreillymaker.com/link/38458/holy-java/
[11:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pre-ordering starts on monday on amazon
[11:19] <shadeslayer> o_o
[11:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Y U LOVE JAHVAH
[11:19] <shadeslayer> jahavah is evil
[11:19] <apachelogger> no
[11:19] <apachelogger> read the book and you will also love it
[11:19] <shadeslayer> it eats unicorns and ponies with its main()
[11:20] <apachelogger> no
[11:20] <apachelogger> as I explained earlier, mains make a lot of sense for assuring reliability
[11:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: look facebook, then you know what an evil thing does
[11:24]  * apachelogger leaves for exam
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger is a Jahvah's Witness, he'll be coming round your door telling you about the truth of servlets
[11:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any plans for packaging kipi-plugins?
[11:49] <tazz> lol @  Jahvah's Witness
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah i just started on them:)
[11:55]  * Riddell moves 4.6.0 and whatnot to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:15] <ulysses> o.O, apt-get wants to remove half of my system
[12:19] <shadeslayer> ulysses: maverick??
[12:20] <ulysses> shadeslayer: Natty
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ulysses: half the packages arent built yet 
[12:20] <shadeslayer> so ... wait :P
[12:21] <ulysses> 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for Natty? o.O
[12:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kipi plugins uploaded to ninja for natty
[12:28] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer 
[12:29] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:34] <debfx> Riddell: gstreamer0.10-packagekit needs to be promoted to main
[12:35] <shadeslayer> debfx: MIR filed?
[12:36] <debfx> shadeslayer: the source package (packagekit) is already in main
[12:36] <shadeslayer> ah 
[12:36] <shadeslayer> i thought it was a new package :P
[12:41] <ximion> debfx: Do you use gstreamer0.10-packagekit in Kubuntu?
[12:41] <ximion> (I mean as default setting for Kubuntu...)
[12:42] <debfx> ximion: we will use it in natty
[12:43] <ximion> debfx: Good to know :) (I'm currently making some changes to make use of of it a little easier on Debian)
[12:43] <ximion> btw: You might want to make the kubuntu-metapackage install "debconf-kde-helper"
[12:44] <shadeslayer> 4.6 release notification will be up any minute now
[12:44] <ximion> this makes all PackageKit tools, inclusing GNOME-PackageKit, GStreamer PlugIns and command-line tools display KDE Debconf dialogs
[12:44] <ximion> !info debconf-kde-helper
[12:47] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:49] <tazz> shadeslayer, you'll have to tell me more about kde packaging when we meet up.
[12:49] <shadeslayer> tazz: sure
[12:49] <debfx> ximion: kpackagekit links against debconf-kde so why would we need it?
[12:49] <tazz> i am just not able to get the env setup properly.
[12:49] <shadeslayer> tazz: whats the problem?
[12:49] <shadeslayer> also
[12:49] <shadeslayer> LP ate my upload :|
[12:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:50] <shadeslayer> why am i not logged in o_o
[12:51] <debfx> shadeslayer: that's why it's called lunchpad
[12:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:51] <shadeslayer> debfx: i got the upload mail ... but i dont see my package being built in the ppa :P
[12:51] <tazz> shadeslayer, i tried setting up a build environment a little while back using this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete i wanted to build a .deb for amarok.
[12:51] <tazz> but then i ran into issues with pbuilder.
[12:52] <tazz> and gave up after a little while.
[12:52] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[12:52] <shadeslayer> !pbuilder | tazz did you see this?
[12:52] <ximion> debfx: Cause only KPackageKit is able to display debconf-kde dialogs, with the helper, all PK tools can display the dialogs.
[12:52] <ximion> including all plugins and command-line-tools
[12:52]  * tazz clicks...
[12:52] <shadeslayer> tazz: thats the best guide on setting up a pbuilder
[12:52] <ximion> !info debconf-kde-helper natty
[12:52] <tazz> shadeslayer, thanks.
[12:53] <shadeslayer> sure np
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kipi-plugins for maverick uploaded to ninjas as well
[12:55] <Riddell> awesomeness
[12:58] <ximion> debfx: Currently looking at the pk-gstreamer code... without the helper, pk-gstreamer won't display Debconf KDE dialogs, cause it does not use the kpackagekit libs
[12:58] <ximion> (for example)
[13:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Does "Remove libhupnp-dev build-dep, not used by upstream in this release" mean I can update hupnp to the version KDE trunk wants without worrying about if it's compatible with KDE 4.6?
[13:01] <ScottK> (It would make trunk builds on Natty easier)
[13:03] <Riddell> ScottK: sure, KDE won't use it until 4.7 now
[13:03] <ScottK> Cool.
[13:04] <ScottK> Done.
[13:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ should help with Neon builds on Natty.
[13:05] <shadeslayer> yayy
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: but were targetting maverick as of now .... so ... will help only in natty i guess :)
[13:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes, but eventually.  Also the package can be backported if you want.
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> iirc we did have hupnp on our packaging page
[13:09] <Riddell> 4.6.0 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports 
[13:09] <Riddell> testing needed
[13:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Apparently Mark forwarded asiego to us for something regarding the Qt in Ubuntu discussion. http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2011/01/collaboration-at-opensuse.html - Do you know of this?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> i was wondering the same thing when i read the article this morning
[13:11] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, and I forwarded it to the unity-2d developers, who haven't replied
[13:12] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I think it'd be nice if the answer ended up being "Aaron, in the long run you're right and we need to figure out the lower level stuff, but in the mean time we'll use this dconf thing."
[13:14] <shadeslayer> what development files does one use for mono?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> libmono-devel isnt cutting it
[13:15] <ScottK> One doesn't if one has any taste.
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sadly qyoto bindings need them
[13:15] <ScottK> Ah.  I'd ask Laney or directhex on #ubuntu-devel.
[13:16] <shadeslayer> alright :)
[13:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: packaging qyoto for neon?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:17] <shadeslayer> i think only 3-4 bindings are left
[13:18] <shadeslayer> i could dep on mono-complete :P
[13:21] <shadeslayer> cli-common-dev did it
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ok ... bbl
[13:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: erk, how many are there?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 10 ... :S
[13:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yowsers
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging 
[13:54] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6 (not on front page yet)
[14:11] <Riddell> on front page now, including banner
[14:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: did you file a bug to sync SIP?
[14:54] <Quintasan> I forgot
[14:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^^
[14:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: is it in debian now?
[14:55] <Quintasan> Unless POX did some magic it should be
[14:55] <Riddell> no, still in New http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
 Quintasan: 611089, 611090, 611091, 611092, 611095, 609960, and 611072 have to be fixed before DktrKranz will unblock sip4
[14:57] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[14:57] <ulysses> Debian...:/
[14:59] <Riddell> well can we just get the packaging and upload it?
[14:59] <Quintasan> I think we could
[15:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: debcheckout sip4-qt3
[15:00] <Quintasan> aaaand
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: banner now looks weird
[15:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how so?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> idk ... the 4.6 announcement looks out of place :(
[15:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: and apply this http://paste.ubuntu.com/558573/
[15:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: use paste.kde.org please
[15:02] <Riddell> I can't wget with p.u.c
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i slayed yet another binding today .... so ....now there are 5 left :P
[15:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: paste.kde.org for pastebinit nao
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its there!
[15:02] <shadeslayer> kwait
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/3367 << put that in ~/pastebin.d
[15:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/3368/
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and then : "alias pastebinit='pastebinit -b http://paste.kde.org'" in your bashrc or whatever shell you use
[15:04] <debfx> Quintasan: 4.12.1 is uploaded in debian
[15:04] <Quintasan> ...
[15:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^^
[15:04] <shadeslayer> ooh
[15:04] <Quintasan> What on Earth
[15:05] <shadeslayer> New X stack in natty
[15:05] <shadeslayer> expected b0rkage
[15:05] <Riddell> yay, kdm might finally not crash on logout, right click menus might work
[15:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: our current sip package has doko making a change "Stop trying to build python3 support in the python2 packages."  does this package overcome that?
[15:08] <Quintasan> I think this is the stuff I was doing all the time
[15:08] <debfx> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/476 (from kde-packer)
[15:08] <Quintasan> It is building in my pbuilder
[15:08] <Quintasan> thought you will surely test it :P
[15:09] <debfx> *kde-packager
[15:09] <Riddell> thanks debfx, I'll upload that now
[15:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: ah yes, separate python3-sip package
[15:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: sip4 uploaded, thanks!
[15:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[15:12] <Quintasan> Spin the bindings rulette
[15:12] <Quintasan> roulette*
[15:13] <Riddell> who's up for python-qt4?
[15:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: MALLOC_CHECK_=3 in 4.6.0
[15:15] <Quintasan> Did you read it?
[15:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes, debfx just added the fix and I'm uploading now
[15:17] <Quintasan> Great.
[15:21] <debfx> Riddell: I'm working on pyqt4
[15:22] <Riddell> awesomeness
[15:28] <ScottK> debfx: You probably saw I rebuilt it to get rid of the libpython2.6 dependency.  I've no idea if it's possible or not, but it would be nice if there were a way to convince dh_shlibsdeps it should depend on libpython{default} | libpython{non-default}.
[15:33] <debfx> ScottK: it includes a plugin for qt designer which is built against the default python version
[15:33] <ScottK> debfx: Would it make sense to build it for all supported python versions?
[15:34] <ScottK> I guess since it's more application than module, probably not.
[15:34] <Riddell> hmm, anyone know the password to the kubuntu_news account on twitter?
[15:34] <ScottK> Nope.  Sorry.
[15:34] <Daskreech> I suppose it's not in the wiki?
[15:34] <Daskreech> :-)
[15:35] <debfx> ScottK: no, unless you introduce some kind of alternative system
[15:35] <Riddell> "Ok, we've sent the instructions to your email."  wonder where that goes
[15:35] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  I don't.
[15:39] <shadeslayer> so a bit late ... but yayy ... i have KDE 4.6 :P
[15:43] <ScottK> Is the lack of kdebindings 4.6.0 in Natty on purpose?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think yes ... because of SIP
[15:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: Can you make a -0ubuntu1 version of your sip4 package (same as -1 except debian/changelog) so we don't have to wait on Debian New.
[15:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: I think yes, but it only requires to change the version in changelog
[15:46] <Quintasan> I do not think there are any more changes since POX commited the changes I made
[15:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  I can do that if you can point me at the final  package.
[15:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: debcheckout sip4-qt3 , apply http://paste.kde.org/3368/ and change the version
[15:48] <Quintasan> I tested it with sid and natty pbuilders
[15:48] <Quintasan> and it was working
[15:48] <ScottK> OK.
[15:48] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Downloads/sip4/sip-4.12.1.tar.gz
[15:48] <Quintasan> So you can wget everything :)
[15:48] <Riddell> "Added K3B_ENABLE_HAL_SUPPORT option to the build configuration. It allows to disable any direct calls to HAL"  http://k3b.plainblack.com/  yay
[15:49] <Riddell> ScottK: sip4 in natty now
[15:49] <shadeslayer> hahah ... MALLOC_CHECK kills eclipse ...
[15:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.
[15:49] <ScottK> Then we just need PyQt4 ....
[15:50] <ryanakca> ScottK: Sounds good
[15:50] <Riddell> ScottK: debfx is packaging pyqt4
[15:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  We've discussed it a bit.
[15:50] <ScottK> ryanakca: Can you prepare something so we'll be ready?
[15:50] <ryanakca> ScottK: I'm away that weekend (grandmum's 80th), but I'll write a blurb up and pass it on to you by then
[15:50] <ryanakca> Yes :)
[15:51] <ScottK> ryanakca: Great.  I should be around to publish it.
[15:51] <ScottK> We also need to deal with Debian bugs 611089, 611090, 611091, 611092, 611095, 609960, and 61107 in Ubuntu.
[15:52] <ScottK> Oops.  Didn't realize it would take a list.
[15:52] <Riddell> I never new so many packages used sip
[15:52] <Riddell> knew
[15:53] <shadeslayer> i can try and fix avogadro tonight :)
[15:55] <Riddell> it's just a quick fix to the build-depends line, wouldn't take long to do them all
[15:58] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[15:59]  * Riddell out for a bit too
[16:02] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[16:02] <shadeslayer> kdewebkit is still not fixed
[16:02] <shadeslayer> AJAX doesnt work as well
[16:02] <shadeslayer> :'(
[16:05] <\sh> shadeslayer: what doesn't work?
[16:05] <shadeslayer> \sh: try rekonq + KDE 4.6 ... commenting on LP doesnt work as well as loading Ajax pages 
[16:06] <\sh> shadeslayer: kde 4.6 just installs here on my mav install
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ok ... the ajax part seems to be rekonq specific :|
[16:06] <shadeslayer> not good
[16:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you think you can get some Canonical/Linaro arm person to look at qtwebkit-source?  I've no idea where to even start on that one.
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: latest rekonq git + Ajax works .... i just sent a mail to kdewebkit devel mailing list about the LP issue
[16:38] <mfraz74> Just upgraded to KDE 4.6 on a netbook and I'm getting the error: Xsession: unable to launch "" X session --- "" not found; falling back to 
[16:38] <mfraz74> default session.
[16:39] <mfraz74> plus plasma desktop shell is crashing after the desktop appears
[16:40] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: i think that issue ( plasma-desktop shell crashing ) was fixed
[16:40] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261646 
[16:41] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: i've only just upgraded
[16:41] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: have a look at that bug report and compare backtraces :)
[16:41] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: what about the xsession errors?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> no idea on that
[16:50] <mfraz74> can't find anything wrong in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:53] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: can you do ls /usr/share/xsessions and tell me what you have in that directory?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: kde-plasma.desktop
[16:54] <mfraz74> ok, that's what i have. before that I did locate xsession and it found the file kde.desktop
[16:54] <mfraz74> is something still looking for that file?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> i dont think so
[16:55] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: maybe #ubuntu-x knows?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> also
[16:55] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: natty or maverick?
[16:55] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: maverick
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[16:55] <mfraz74> it is there in my main computer with KDE 4.5.5.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you fix all them bugs already?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:00] <ScottK> No.  Trying to do $WORK right now.
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[17:00] <shadeslayer> because avogadro was fixed :P
[17:03] <mfraz74> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264352
[17:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does rekonq have any sort of release schedule currently?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alpha in 3 weeks
[17:04] <shadeslayer> and thats when we have a feature freeze
[17:05] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: copied the contents of kde-plasma.desktop to kde.desktop and i don't get the xsession error now
[17:05] <shadeslayer> @_@
[17:07]  * seaLne now has a very broken natty install mainly it looks like due to: phonon-backend-gstreamer : Depends: libphonon4 (= 4:4.7.0really4.4.3-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[17:08] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: looks like a exact dupe of kde bug 261593
[17:09] <shadeslayer> seaLne: can you update sources and try again>
[17:09] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm, phonon-backend-gstreamer 4.4.4 really should have been published by now, I wonder what's up
[17:09] <seaLne> shadeslayer: unfortunatly no change
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats what i was wondering :P
[17:10] <Riddell> "Binary packages awaiting approval in NEW queue:"  but I approved them hours ago
[17:11] <Riddell> hmm, apparantly I didn't
[17:11] <Riddell> Accepting phonon-backend-gstreamer
[17:11] <Riddell> ok should appear around 18:40 GMT
[17:11] <Riddell> seaLne: download the .deb if you want it quicker https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2224096
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the new source package for sip4-qt3
[17:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sip4
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nothing here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip4
[17:12] <mfraz74> how do i add my bug as a duplicate of the other one?
[17:12] <Riddell> well it's also stuck in New
[17:12] <seaLne> Riddell: ty 1840 would have been leaving it a bit tight for leaving to get through to yours :)
[17:13] <Riddell> mfraz74: Mark as Duplicate on right hand side
[17:13] <Riddell> seaLne: any preference for booze?
[17:13] <seaLne> i'll have car so won't really be drinking
[17:14] <Riddell> irn bru it is then
[17:14] <mfraz74> Riddell: thanks
[17:14] <shadeslayer> <3 irn bru
[17:15] <seaLne> Riddell: should i be bringing anything?
[17:15] <Riddell> seaLne: your favourite poem :)
[17:16] <seaLne> one fine day in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight.... :-)
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so apparently commenting on LP works for adawit but not for me
[17:19] <shadeslayer> and the code is there in 4.6 to correct the issue
[17:25] <Bugsbane> Are the 4.6 packages still rolling out to the main server? I'm getting some dependency errors on the gstreamer backend...
[17:25] <Riddell> Bugsbane: for natty yes
[17:25] <Bugsbane> k thx
[17:25] <Riddell> 17:11 < Riddell> seaLne: download the .deb if you want it quicker https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2224096
[17:26] <Bugsbane> Awesome
[17:26] <Riddell> although I don't know how complete the rest of the stack is
[17:26] <Bugsbane> eta? a couple of hours? a few?
[17:26] <Riddell> phonon-backend-gstreamer will be in the archive in a bit over an hour
[17:27] <Bugsbane> ok. I'll just avoid rebooting then (xserver-video-all got removed and kubuntu-desktop won't install .>, lol)
[17:27] <seaLne> my current problem is with apport failing to configure
[17:28] <seaLne> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[17:28] <ulysses> seaLne: stop apport with 'sudo service apport stop', then it should be work
[17:28] <Bugsbane> ack. I hate that one. I think echidnaman just posted a patch for that...
[17:28] <seaLne> ulysses: tried that and it didn't
[17:29] <seaLne> well actually /etc/init....
[17:30] <seaLne> hmm but stopping then dpkg got it ok
[17:39] <ScottK> Riddell: I can look at sip4 in New.
[17:39] <Riddell> thanks
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: sip4 source accepted.  You can remove sip4-qt3 source only.
[18:06] <Quintasan> sheytan: can has neon and blog backgrounds? ^_^
[18:06] <Quintasan> sheytan: are we getting bindings any soon or the sip is not enough? >_<
[18:06] <ScottK> Quintasan: Need python-qt4 too.  debfx is on it.
[18:07] <Quintasan> Phew. Some more python and I would turn into an apachelogger
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: s/python/Java
[18:15] <Quintasan> Java doesnt make one mad
[18:16] <Quintasan> Only Pyth0rns do
[18:16] <nigelb> Quintasan: Python only makes you do this --> http://xkcd.com/353/
[18:16] <Quintasan> Ain't that essentially going mad?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> without even opening the link i can tell its the antigravity one
[18:17] <shadeslayer> *click*
[18:17] <shadeslayer> see
[18:17] <nigelb> haha
[18:17] <nigelb> it is!
[18:17] <nigelb> that is the classic python xkcd!
[18:17] <Quintasan> xkcd nerds
[18:17] <Quintasan> :P
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ive had too much xkcd 
[18:17] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:17] <nigelb> I think we can identify number with picture already.
[18:30] <evdvelde>  hi all, trying to install kde sc 4.6, is it normal that there are broken packages? thx in advance!
[18:30] <mfraz74> with the two updates i did this afternoon, i wouldn't recommend 4.6 anyway
[18:31] <ScottK> Riddell: python-kde4 is uninstallable on the buildds due to some Universe depends (this is why workspace FTBFS).
[18:31] <evdvelde> mfraz74: why? what is wrong?
[18:32] <ulysses> evdvelde: kdebase-workspace failed to build, so there'll be broken dependencies
[18:32] <mfraz74> i get a "plasma shell has crashed" error come up with both every time i boot
[18:34] <evdvelde> ulysses: why have the maintainers uploaded the packages if an important build failed?
[18:35] <mfraz74> kdebase-workspace is showing that it can be upgraded here to 4.6.0a
[18:35] <ulysses> because they didn't know it will be fail?
[18:35] <ulysses> mfraz74: Maverick or Natty?
[18:35] <mfraz74> ulysses: maverick
[18:36] <evdvelde> ulysses: it seems odd to start uploading packages of kde sc before everything has been build, this is bound to fail one day
[18:36] <ulysses> Maverick is OK, only Natty is in trouble
[18:36] <mfraz74> ulysses: ok
[18:38] <ulysses> evdvelde: most of KDE can be built without kdebase-workspace, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[18:46] <Riddell> ScottK: oh I though that was due to phonon
[18:52] <Riddell> ScottK: just installed it in a chroot and the only universe stuff is brought in by phonon-backend-vlc, so I think it'll be fine once -gstreamer finally arrives
[18:52] <ScottK> OK
[19:15] <Riddell> hello Bodia 
[19:15]  * Riddell retries kdebase-workspace
[19:15] <Bodia> hi
[19:31] <sheytan> Quintasan, don't feel in mood today, sorry ;/
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ping
[20:30] <maco> Riddell: would it be possible to split akonaditray out of kdepim-runtime into its own package so that its not autoinstalled for edubuntu users? it creates an unnecessary menu entry?
[20:30] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck pong
[20:30] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot.
[20:30] <maco> Riddell: (if you think its possible, im willing to give it a try)
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: where are we at on the docs?
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> Now that I have a computer again I can get back into this.
[20:31] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: i haven't updated the wiki if that is what you are asking
[20:31] <jjesse> i think i cleaned up all references to OpenOffice in both office.xml and in the kde-menus.ent file
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[20:31] <jjesse> also all the entities are current
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[20:32] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, this wiki needs updating.
[20:32] <jjesse> ummm just grab an updated branch and check ;)
[20:33] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah I just did LOL
[20:33] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[20:33]  * DarkwingDuck grabs the live daily
[20:36] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[21:42] <apachelogger> someone broke my kmix :(
[21:44] <yofel> Riddell, ScottK: got an estimate when sip will be synced? If not soon I'll copy kdebindings 4.5.90 to kubuntu-ppa/backports, since the maverick backports are currently broken since there are no 4.6 bindings
[22:16] <ScottK> yofel: sip4 is in Natty.
[22:17] <ScottK> yofel: I'd go ahead with the 4.5.90 bindings in any case while we wait.
[22:17] <yofel> k
[22:56] <debfx> ScottK: could you sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/python-qt4_4.8.3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[22:57] <ScottK> debfx: Looking
[23:02] <nixternal> how is natty shaping up? close to being usable?
[23:03] <yofel> natty is fine, though xserver 1.10 is coming, so it'll be pretty broken the next few days
[23:04] <nixternal> yofel: thanks for that heads up. i will wait for that then
[23:04] <nixternal> is intel gfx working better in natty than it does in maverick?
[23:05] <nixternal> silly amarok in the ppa doesn't have ampache built in so i am building
[23:07] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.