[00:15] <d3ngar_> hey there
[00:16] <d3ngar_> I have a touchpad that I would like to switch off
[00:16] <d3ngar_> Can't see it in the  System > Pref > Mouse
[00:22] <andylockran> howdt
[00:41] <d3ngar_> this channel rocks
[01:15] <dutchie>  [31396.166223] Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region
[01:16] <dutchie> [31396.166234] Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO
[01:16] <dutchie> this doesn't look good
[08:17] <diplo> morning all
[08:26] <dutchie> morning
[08:32] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[08:33] <ujjain> Is there a word for when a man does everything a woman says? He is... not smitten, but...
[08:34] <diplo> under the thumb
[08:35] <ujjain> by the balls, under the thumb, but it´s not what I meant, but I guess I´ll never find the word likes this :P
[08:36] <BigRedS> there's a term that's less... derisory.. but I can't remember what it is
[08:48] <shauno> ujjain: in my house, we'd just call it trained :)
[08:49] <ujjain> hehehehe :p
[09:00] <HazRPG> mornin
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is quite interesting - not sure about the practicalities but even so... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/multi-touch-in-ubuntu-using-a-webcam-and-your-hands-video/
[09:05] <HazRPG> *clicks*
[09:05] <HazRPG> woah
[09:06] <Neoti|work> morning all .....
[09:06] <HazRPG> morning Neoti|work
[09:06] <HazRPG> that's pretty awesome TheOpenSourcerer
[09:07] <Neoti|work> hey hazrpg
[09:09] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:10] <HazRPG> howdy doodle :)
[09:15] <DJones> Morning all
[09:15] <gord> morning all
[09:20] <HazRPG> morning DJones & gord
[09:23] <daubers> Morning
[09:25] <AlanBell> morning
[09:25] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:27] <daubers> Did anyone get an email back from the ose?
[09:27] <screen-x> Just tried to install printer, set it up on desk, connected to power, but it didn't show up in lsusb. Fixed problem by connecting printer to computer :)
[09:28] <AlanBell> daubers: ose?
[09:28] <daubers> open source expo
[09:29] <daubers> I applied for tickets but never got an email confirming it...
[09:31] <AlanBell> "Registration Confirmation - Please read" was the subject
[09:32] <AlanBell> Stand number: 96 - 5x4m <- *big*
[09:33] <mattt> what's all the hype w/ this open source expo thing?
[09:33] <AlanBell> Furniture being provided for each of you: lockable cupboard/plinth. Chairs x2. And power, light/elec
[09:33] <daubers> I meant for tickets :) Not for actually showing ....
[09:33] <AlanBell> Net connection: the organisers  will be providing 2 drops so please bring routers and long cables.
[09:33] <BigRedS> I love subject lines that say "please read"
[09:33] <AlanBell> mattt: wouldn't say it was hyped, but we are exhibiting there
[09:33] <BigRedS> "oooooooh! I was going to *eat* my email!"
[09:34] <mattt> AlanBell: cool, hope it's a good one for you guys
[09:34] <mattt> is there an ubuntu booth at fosdem?  any of you guys going to that?
[09:34] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ^^
[09:34]  * daubers should head to work now really
[09:35] <Indy> Hi folks
[09:36] <Indy> Does anyone here have any experience with Linux on Sony vaio laptops?
[09:36] <AlanBell> there is a page about them on help.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <Indy> AlanBell: Is there?
[09:37] <Indy> Im specially after installing nvidia drivers
[09:38] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Maverick
[09:38] <AlanBell> and if you are feeling brave https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty
[09:39] <Indy> AlanBell: Sorry my irc just went dead. Could you repost that URL.  Thanks
[09:39] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Maverick
[09:39] <AlanBell> and if you are feeling brave https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty
[09:41] <AlanBell> I think we should launch http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/ at the open source expo
[09:41] <gord> ... i don't know *how* tesco managed to get custard creams to taste like pancakes but they have... for shame
[09:42] <danfish> good morning :)
[09:44] <danfish> AlanBell: good idea - how do you 'launch' the website - a redirect?
[09:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: don't forget to change the logo for the podcast or people will go blind :)
[09:48] <AlanBell> danfish: remove the beta. (I know that isn't a very web 2.0 thing to do)
[09:48] <AlanBell> MooDoo: *podcasting* makes you go blind now?
[09:49] <AlanBell> oh, I see what you mean now :)
[09:50] <danfish> AlanBell: if it works, why overcomplicate things..
[09:50]  * Neoti|work lol @ AlanBell podcasting....
[09:50] <Indy> AlanBell: I tried the fix on that page and unfortunately ended up exactly the same
[09:51] <AlanBell> Indy: I have no idea about nvidia stuff, but why not describe your issue, someone might be able to offer help
[09:52] <AlanBell> or at least sympathy and a cup of tea
[09:55] <czajkowski> mattt: yup there is
[09:57] <Indy> Basically when I install the nvidia driver Linux just boots up to the login screen. It just doesn't setup the nvidia driver. The way to get back to the GUI is to delete xorg.conf file. This puts me into a very low GUI mode. I've been sort of regretting ever buying the Sony because I didn't realise nvidia had driver issues
[09:57] <BigRedS> I ranted all over IRC yesterday about my ATi problems and Martin came along and fixed it all for me :)
[09:57] <Indy> I just don't get it with nvidia. How come their windows version works but Linux doesn't
[09:59] <Indy> How can I spread the good word about Linux when I can't get my damn pc to work
[10:01] <directhex> Indy, nvidia-installer breaks things
[10:01] <czajkowski> gord: any idea where I'd find Ev online ?
[10:02] <gord> czajkowski, nope sorry
[10:02] <gord> (would help more, but busy today :( )
[10:03] <Indy> directhex: Ive tried everything
[10:04] <HazRPG> why is it, that its always the important stuff a person will lose :/
[10:09] <BigRedS> Hm. Caramel flavoured coffee doesn't taste quite as good as the coffee powder itself smells.
[10:09] <Neoti> anyone used ZoneMinder before ?
[10:11]  * BigRedS has Quite briefly
[10:11] <BigRedS> what's the acutal question?
[10:12] <Neoti> BigRedS : just wandered if anyone used ZoneMinder in conjunction with Grandstream cams or just if anyone had used it at all ... etc... thinking of useing it and connecting it to my XBMC Media center etc ...
[10:13] <danfish> I do use zoneminder, but not with Grandstream cams or XBMC
[10:13] <BigRedS> ahh, thinking about it, not for a while, and not with Grandstream or xbmc
[10:13] <BigRedS> I'm probably quite useless :)
[10:13]  * Neoti LOL @ BigRedS
[10:15] <n1md4> I use ZM with both IP and coaxial cameras, but nothing with XBMC.
[10:15] <Neoti> is it any good ...
[10:15] <Neoti> the web internet face seems a little crappy ... ?????
[10:16] <davmor2> morning all
[10:17] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:17] <danfish> Neoti: as a CCTV appliance, it's pretty good by comparison to others. The web interface is basic but does the job. As it's open source, you can always make your own :)
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: You on mornings again how did you wrangle that deal?
[10:18] <n1md4> It's okay.  The interface isn't great, but functional enough.  Motion-detect on multiple feeds requires a lot of CPU time.
[10:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's a two week shift pattern, 9 - 5:30 for two weeks, then earlies, then weekends and finally lates :S
[10:19] <Neoti> i tried it a while ago with an axis cam and did not pick it up for some reason ..... i will have another goo later
[10:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: I do not envy you at all
[10:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: neither do i
[10:21] <n1md4> Neoti: I'm using 4 Axis cams, and found, you have to play around with video settings quite a bit before you win!
[10:23] <Neoti> i spent 2 days at my previouse work place trying to get 1 axis cam working ... he he ... could not even get a video feed ....
[10:24] <Neoti> hopfully the project has updated a little bit and work ... lol ....
[10:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:26] <n1md4> Ha!  I doubt it :P  Message me if you get stuck.
[10:54]  * AlanBell haz CDs \o/
[10:54] <MooDoo> yay o/
[10:55] <AlanBell> oh, no I don't
[10:55] <czajkowski> I do
[10:55]  * bigcalm haz STDs /o\
[10:55]  * czajkowski has a 100 here 
[10:55] <czajkowski> :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> I have two baseball caps
[10:55] <bigcalm> Actualy, I don't. Just popped into my head
[10:55] <AlanBell> a squillion aubergine Ubuntu lanyards
[10:56] <AlanBell> 20 or so small orange circle of friends badges
[10:56] <AlanBell> copy of the official Ubuntu book
[10:56] <AlanBell> a load of stickers
[10:57] <AlanBell> an L and XL maverick Tshirt
[10:57] <AlanBell> one of which will be going to Paula
[10:57] <danfish> ...and a copy of the Art of Community ;)
[10:57] <mattt> czajkowski: you still giving a talk?  what day/time?
[10:58] <BigRedS> AlanBell: is this potential foss-at-the-barbican loot?
[10:58] <czajkowski> mattt: Saturday 1pm
[10:58] <AlanBell> BigRedS: some of it is, certainly
[10:58] <mattt> czajkowski: good luck!  will try to catch it if i can
[10:58] <czajkowski> mattt: there is a wiki page set up to add all Ubuntu folks going to fosdem
[10:58] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:58] <mattt> czajkowski: i should update that now
[10:59] <AlanBell> I think this is a one-off loco team gift, not an every release thing
[10:59] <AlanBell> there should be a banner and tablecloth
[10:59] <AlanBell> and we should get CDs each release
[10:59] <Neoti> hay did someone say ubuntu loot ..... ?
[10:59] <Neoti> where ?
[11:00] <AlanBell> Neoti: come along to http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ for some of it
[11:00] <AlanBell> markjones: ping
[11:00] <daubers> Is there a  nice web based project management tool around?
[11:01] <AlanBell> big project or small project?
[11:01] <bigcalm> sugarcrm?
[11:02] <daubers> AlanBell: Many small-medium sized projects
[11:03] <AlanBell> vtiger and openERP both have some project management facilites, but at the rudimentary level (best level for project management IMHO)
[11:04] <daubers> Hmm.... might be a bit OTT for what I'm after
[11:04] <AlanBell> openproj is more sophisticated and I think has a web based something, not sure if that part is Free
[11:04] <daubers> Looking at the website, doesn't look it
[11:05] <daubers> Might be an evening with Django tonight
[11:05] <AlanBell> and there is project.net
[11:05] <AlanBell> and other things like trac
[11:06] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/#!/savs/status/30192485674254336  :)
[11:06] <daubers> trac doesn't do what I want very well...
[11:06] <daubers> I tried to mend it, but broke trac horribkly :)
[11:07] <AlanBell> something homebrew in django sounds like a great approach
[11:08] <knightwise> morning everybody
[11:08]  * knightwise is on ubuntu 10.10 on his macbook air ! 
[11:08] <knightwise> and its Friggin fast
[11:08] <BigRedS> Something homebrew in djanog is never a great approach
[11:08] <BigRedS> :)
[11:08] <daubers> Hmm. project.net wants an orcale db
[11:08] <BigRedS> MySQL?
[11:08] <AlanBell> knightwise: did you need an official CD drive to install it?
[11:09] <daubers> BigRedS: I think it actually wants the Oracle DB not the DB Oracle acquired :)
[11:09] <matti> ;]
[11:09] <matti> AlanBell: ;]
[11:10] <knightwise> AlanBell: what do you mean by official ?
[11:10] <knightwise> you mean the "expensive apple one" ?
[11:10] <knightwise> nope :)
[11:10] <knightwise> i just used my samsung one
[11:10] <AlanBell> I read somewhere that the only usb cd drive it would boot from was an apple one
[11:10] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20Air%20using%20live%20CD
[11:11] <knightwise> the only thing i cant get working is to disable the touchpad while typing
[11:11] <knightwise> allthough i have set that up in the mouse preferences options
[11:11] <AlanBell> help.ubuntu.com is a wiki . . .
[11:13] <knightwise> but this baby is F.A.S.T. !
[11:16] <BigRedS> AlanBell: historically, they can boot off Firewire but not USB
[11:17] <BigRedS> AFAIK. So that might be the source of only working from an apple external CD drive
[11:21] <knightwise> BigRedS: just take any external USB cd rom drive and it works
[11:21] <knightwise> Macbook air has no Firewire port, remember ?
[11:23] <AlanBell> if you have a laptop with no firewire port, and a video camera with firewire output, is one totally stuffed?
[11:23] <BigRedS> Oh yeah!
[11:23] <BigRedS> I'm still stuck in PPC days as far as apple hardware's concerned
[11:24] <knightwise> BigRedS: i have a 3G imac in the basement , been meaning to get ubuntu on there
[11:24] <knightwise> but the 15 inch screen is a litle too small
[11:24] <danfish> didn't the PPC port stop at 9.10?
[11:25] <BigRedS> I've a small collection of G4 towers carrying out various duties. Almost seems a shame to have all of them hidden away in cupboards though
[11:25] <BigRedS> Err, G3 actually, I think. Translucent turquoise ones
[11:26] <Neoti> knightwise which samsung do you have
[11:27] <knightwise> just a regular external bus powered DVD writer
[11:28] <knightwise> Neoti: have you tried other models that did not work ?
[11:28] <Neoti> nope just asking
[11:31] <knightwise> Neoti: don't worry , i've tried 2 different models of "non apple" external drives , and both worked
[11:34] <knightwise> ok , Macbook air and Ubuntu 10.10 are a match made in heaven so far ..   with OSX this baby was kinda sluggish , now its incredibly fast ! :)
[11:34] <MooDoo> knightwise: ssd?
[11:34] <knightwise> MooDoo: nope , plain "spinning drive"
[11:35] <knightwise> its not the latest 2010 model , its the one before that ( the 2.1)
[11:35] <MooDoo> knightwise: well there is an upgrade then :D
[11:35] <knightwise> but still , FAST
[11:35] <knightwise> MooDoo: true, but kinda kostly i think
[11:35] <MooDoo> knightwise: my 120 cost £190
[11:35] <knightwise> hmm , did you replace it yoursellf ?
[11:36] <MooDoo> knightwise: sorry i don't have a macbook i just meant in my laptop, and yes i did
[11:37] <knightwise> with the macbook air , its quite an "operation"
[11:39] <HazRPG> not sure I like the wasapea
[11:40] <HazRPG> (graze)
[11:47] <moreati> davmor2: Those app reviews you're tweeting link directly to the apt:// url, which tries to immediately install that app. Not desirable imo - they should link to a page showing the review. Is it Software Centre that's generating them? Id like to file a bug.
[11:50] <davmor2> moreati: top secret can't tell you ;)  I don't know if the project is currently available for public reports let me check what needs to happen :)
[11:51] <moreati> davmor2: righto
[11:52] <Laney> yay for code drops
[11:58] <knightwise> anyone know a good video-bloggin software for ubuntu ?
[11:58] <knightwise> just to record some video and stuff
[11:58] <knightwise> (using the webcam)
[11:58] <gord> knightwise, cheese ?
[11:58] <knightwise> and dont say cheeze
[11:58] <knightwise> Darn :) too late :p
[11:58] <gord> whats wrong with it?
[11:59] <moreati> knightwise: If you can tell why not cheese, it might help
[11:59] <knightwise> kinda "jerky"
[11:59] <knightwise> stutters when you record video :(
[11:59] <knightwise> werid
[12:00] <gord> its because it has to encode the video at the same time
[12:00] <gord> your machine might be too slow for that resolution
[12:01] <czajkowski> Announcing the ODFPlugfest UK http://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/ all communities and developers are welcome to take part, we have space for talks and it is a freeevent to take part in
[12:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: cross post spammer :P
[12:02] <czajkowski> toodlesbyup
[12:02] <czajkowski> bigcalm: :(
[12:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: *big hugs* :)
[12:04] <knightwise> gord: thats possible
[12:04]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[12:04] <knightwise> hey czajkowski
[12:05]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 
[12:05] <moreati> knightwise: as gord suggests that may b a limitation of your hardware/drivers, rather than cheese. Kamoso maybe has some different tweaks, but dropping the resolution or using a webcam with hardware compression is probably the way to go
[12:05] <czajkowski> knightwise: hi
[12:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: well that the mornings out the way then :)
[12:07]  * daubers attacks python with a stick
[12:07]  * davmor2 awaits to hear that daubers has been eaten by a boa constrictor
[12:08] <knightwise> CCD
[12:08] <knightwise> oops
[12:08] <daubers> I'm using subprocess to get some data off stdout while a program is running and waiting for a bit to giove that program an instruction, but subprocess isn't giving me all the poxy output
[12:11] <gord> ubuntu thinks my kindle is a "digital audio player" =\
[12:12] <bigcalm> Does it have mp3s on it?
[12:12] <gord> no
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> gord: but it could
[12:12] <gord> yes but that doesn't mean the description is correct
[12:12] <shauno> stick a folder on it named dcim, and it'll probably call it a camera instead :)
[12:14] <knightwise> DC42_Daflo
[12:14] <knightwise> KDI_44
[12:14] <knightwise> Crud
[12:14] <knightwise> stupid keyboard switch tool
[12:15] <knightwise> AZE
[12:15] <knightwise> aarg è!
[12:15] <knightwise> sorry
[12:16] <shauno> I always chuckle when I hit the right key combo to switch to dvorak by accident.  takes typos to a whole new level :)
[12:30]  * Neoti|work needs more voip clients..... 
[12:35]  * Neoti|work steps out for FOOD! and COFFEEE!......
[12:37] <Gringo> Hey guys need some help, 1 of my drives doesnt show up i have to mount it using terminal everytime, how can i make it so it starts like the other when i start ubuntu?
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> Gringo: is it always connected? or is it an external disk (like an USB disk)
[12:38] <Gringo> its always connected
[12:38] <AlanBell> !fstab
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: afaik you can configure that in "Disk Utility" (palimpsest) as well?
[12:39] <Gringo> i have 2 hard drives, 1 partioned into 3 and the other just normal, its the normal one my d drive that doesnt show up unless i mount it with terminal
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> Gringo: see the links AlanBell and lubotu3 provided
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> Gringo: they explain how to do it
[12:42] <DJones> Thats the important job of the day done, salaries paid :)
[12:46] <Gringo> #ubuntu
[12:48] <andylockran> howdy
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> o/
[12:49] <Neoti|work> hey there
[12:49] <andylockran> you well ?
[12:50] <Neoti|work> yeah good .... u?
[13:07] <daubers> nom nom nom lunch
[13:11] <Neoti|work> i got a JP with cheese and beans.. lol ... nom nom nom in deed...
[13:18] <daubers> Why does shepherds pie always taste better reheated the day after? Just like lasagne
[13:20] <X3N> maybe all the juices marinate everything more
[13:22] <daubers> Possibly
[13:22] <daubers> Either way it makes excellent lunch nomming
[13:25] <Neoti|work> you nom that nom away ...
[13:25] <Neoti|work> lol
[13:43] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:44] <brobostigon> how do i change a root owned folder, so i can access it aswell asread and write to said folder, from or as a normaluser, please.
[13:46] <brobostigon> ie /mnt/*
[13:46] <BigRedS> brobostigon: chmod 666 <file> ?
[13:46] <moreati> brobostigon: You either take ownership of the folder, change the group of the folder to one you're a member of and make it group writable, or you make it world writable
[13:46] <BigRedS> er <directory>
[13:46] <moreati> chmod 666 is the third option
[13:46] <brobostigon> cheers BigRedS and moreati :)
[13:47] <BigRedS> note that with directories, execute rights are really list-contents rights
[13:47] <brobostigon> hmm.
[13:48] <moreati> brobostigon: not that making things world writable is usually poor practise in a shared environment like a server, but if it's your own machine then whatever..
[13:48] <moreati> *note
[13:49] <brobostigon> ok, so, chmod 666, and then, chmod +rw ?
[13:49] <BigRedS> chmod 666 is chmdo +rw, they're two ways of denoting the same
[13:50] <BigRedS> well, teh former states where to end up and the latter states thechange to make. but chances are it'll be at 666. The only right missing with chmod 666 is execute
[13:50] <moreati> brobostigon: the other approach is sudo chown <user>:<group> <folder>
[13:50] <BigRedS> ...which you'd normally want in a directory
[13:51] <brobostigon> hmm, ok,
[13:54] <Laney> ugo=rw
[13:55]  * brobostigon goes to bang his head on his desk.
[13:57] <brobostigon> a friend to my rescue, with a beer. :)
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_653_4FsTEfc/TI44ObEDe5I/AAAAAAAABJ8/-XDR0avRf7A/s1600/tactical+facepalm.jpg
[13:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: lol, :)
[14:00] <moreati> brobostigon: are you in good hands or do you need further assistance?
[14:00] <brobostigon> moreati: probebly need further assistance.
[14:01] <moreati> okay: Some queries: What is the path of the folder? Is it empty?
[14:02] <brobostigon>  /mnt/**
[14:02] <brobostigon> nd it has a textfile in it atthe moment,
[14:03] <shauno> permissions on mountpoints tend to be defined by mount options, rather than by chmod
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> shauno: well, you can change them after mounting with chmod
[14:04] <brobostigon> shauno: at the moment, i am testing, so i dont want a permemnt fstab entry yet.
[14:04] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I always prefered the double facepalm http://media.photobucket.com/image/star%20trek%20double%20facepalm/SGM-Daly91/Star%20Trek/double-facepalm.jpg?o=1
[14:04] <moreati> brobostigon: why did you say '/mnt/**' Are we talking about 1 folder here or many?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6566/182832-quadruple_facepalm_super.jpg
[14:05] <brobostigon> moreati: it is a single folder, a mountpoint, with a single txt file inside.
[14:06] <moreati> brobostigon: What is the path of the mount point? What filesystem is being mounted?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/M22iv.jpg
[14:07] <brobostigon> moreati: /mnt/server and sshfs
[14:08] <moreati> brobostigon: and is it mounted now?
[14:08] <brobostigon> yes.
[14:09] <moreati> okay. Do you want _every_ user able to write into that folder, just yourself, or a group of users?
[14:09] <bigcalm> mc just crashed :(
[14:09] <bigcalm> Damn windows
[14:09] <brobostigon> moreati: just myself.
[14:09] <bigcalm> Or damn Java
[14:09] <brobostigon> brb.
[14:09] <brobostigon> one minute.
[14:11] <moreati> brobostigon: sudo chown -R <username>:<group> /mnt/server
[14:11] <gran> any idea why my computer continues to change to screensaver no matter what i do with the power management options?
[14:11] <gran> and what file i can edit?
[14:13] <BigRedS> gran: Do you know which screensaver you're using? I know I've installed alternative ones before that Gnome power manager's been unaware of, and so unable to configure
[14:13] <moreati> brobostigon: if you're on Ubuntu  <group> is likely to be the same as <username>, check by running the command groups and looking at the first entry
[14:15] <brobostigon> moreati: thankyou,
[14:16] <moreati> brobostigon: the -R means recursive i.e. make the change to every file/folder inside the path as well
[14:16] <brobostigon> moreati: works, cheeers. :)
[14:16] <gran> BigRedS,  its done it since the install, after about 10 minutes it takes me to a login screen. Whether the cable is plugged in or not
[14:17] <BigRedS> the cable?
[14:17] <BigRedS> Ohh, laptop power lead?
[14:18] <BigRedS> try adding the Inhibitor Applet to the panel, see if 'activating' that stops the screensaver from working
[14:18] <moreati> gran: do you really mean the login screen? or do you mean you need to unlock the screensaver with your password?
[14:19] <moreati> gran: as well as the screensaver timeout, there are power saver timeouts in System > Preferences > Power Management
[14:19] <moreati> brobostigon: read this for a little more detail behind file permissions http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html
[14:20] <gran> yeh thats what i mean moreati
[14:20] <gran> :)
[14:20] <brobostigon> thank you moreati :)
[14:20] <bigcalm> popey: taking a break, will track some more later
[14:21] <moreati> gran: the first bit, or the second bit :)
[14:21] <popey> :)
[14:25] <gran> oh sorry  need to unlock the screensaver... but the screensaver shouldn't even come on, i've set it to "never"
[14:28] <moreati> gran: Have you looked in System > Preferences > Power Management where the screen blanking can also lock the screen
[14:37] <DJones> gran: How long is it before the screensaver kicks in, there was a bug a few versions back where a blank screen was coming up after 10 minutes as though it was the blank screen screensaver?
[14:39] <gran> yeh moreati, about 10 minutes DJones
[14:40] <gran> well.. i just went to make a sandwich came back and it was up :P
[14:40] <gran> just really annoying watching films etc
[14:41] <moreati> gran did you look at both tabs (On Mains Power, On Battery Power)? What is 'Put display to sleep when incative' set to on each of those tabs?
[14:43] <gran> "never" on mains and an hour with battery
[14:43] <gran> its running on mains now
[14:43] <gran> so shouldn't have come on
[14:44] <moreati> gran: then your settings are right, you may suffering the bug that DJones mentioned
[14:45] <moreati> gran: (Do you mean 'screen is going to sleep' by 'come on', the term is confusing me)
[14:45] <gran> nah sorry, display turns off and to turn it back on i have to put in the password every time
[14:46] <gran> its not hibernating or anything
[14:47] <DJones> gran: Have a look at this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341617 There is a section to add to the xorg file that can stop the bug I was thinking of
[14:47] <gran> thanks mate
[14:47] <DJones> That talks about kubuntu, but I had the same bug on ubuntu as well
[14:48] <DJones> Aparently the bug was to do with beryl/xgl so it could be something comepletely different now that beryl is compiz, but could be worth checking anyway
[14:49] <gran> whats the filepatch to xorg.conf again sorry?
[14:49] <DJones> /etc/X11
[14:50] <gran> thanks
[14:55] <gran> whats happened to ctrl alt backspace btw? they removed it?
[14:55] <gran> how do i restart x now?
[14:56] <maco> gran: zapping was disabled upstream a year or two ago. you can reenable it in your keyboard settings
[14:56] <DJones> !dontzap
[14:56] <maco> (its one of the "enable ____ keyboard shortcut" things in there)
[14:56] <gran> cheers
[14:57] <moreati> gran: until you've re-eabled it I think logging out restarts X, but reboot definately does :)
[14:58] <maco> yes logging out restarts X
[15:00] <maco> in one version, theres this lovely bug where the dm asking X to restart properly doesnt work...instead it crashes. which is fine for ubuntu users since gdm apparently just smashes X with a hammer til it dies, then spawns a new one, while kdm actually uses the restart command thats supposed to work for X, resulting in it not coming back up for logging back in.... i forget which release that is. 10.04 or 10.10 i think
[15:01] <gran> cheers guys, i'll have to wait and see if it worked
[15:01] <moreati> now that's something to use those facepalm pictures for
[15:07] <bigcalm> popey: can you re-generate the map please?
[15:08] <cps> afternoon peeps :)
[15:08] <BigRedS> g'morning cps
[15:09] <cps> BigRedS: Morning?! It's 15:09!!
[15:09] <BigRedS> cps: ach, near enough
[15:10] <BigRedS> :)
[15:10] <cps> :\
[15:10] <cps> meh
[15:10]  * cps air guitars to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits
[15:16] <dwatkins> Does Ubuntu's 7zip package also lack a manpage like CentOS's one does? Just curious...
[15:17] <DJones> 7zip or p7zip?
[15:18]  * BigRedS has no manual entry for 7zip
[15:18] <BigRedS> I have p7zip-full installed
[15:18] <dwatkins> I was only able to find 'p7zip' which includes a binary called 7za which is currently extracting my archive, DJones.
[15:18] <DJones> man 7zip gives me nothing, but man p7zip has a man page
[15:18] <DJones> On 10.04
[15:18] <dwatkins> 'No manual entry for 7za'
[15:18] <BigRedS> Man p7zip doesn't give me anything on 10.10
[15:19] <shauno> it should do; per the last two entries in http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/p7zip/filelist
[15:19] <maco> BigRedS: its not a default package
[15:19] <dwatkins>    http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/p7zip/filelist
[15:19] <dwatkins> oops, sorry
[15:20] <DJones> i installed p7zip & got the man page
[15:20] <dwatkins> 7zr and p7zip have manpages in that ubuntu package, thanks shauno, but the one in CentOS (built by rpmforge) seems to have only html documentation; thanks all, I was just curious to compare distros.
[15:20] <dwatkins> in summary: Ubuntu > CentOS
[15:20] <shauno> I believe ubuntu inherits debian's position that not having a manpage is a bug
[15:21] <dwatkins> shauno: I would agree with that state, also
[15:22] <maco> shauno: its possible to get packages into ubuntu without a manpage, but most packages come from debian, so most have one
[15:22] <AlanBell> any opinions on webalyzer vs awstats?
[15:22] <maco> ive never used webalyzer, but ive had no issue with awstats
[15:23] <dwatkins> I use webalyzer, it's very good in my opinion, AlanBell.
[15:23] <dwatkins> and now you are back at square one, sorry...
[15:23] <ali1234> i use webalyzer, it's a little old fashioned
[15:23] <ali1234> also it won't give you mor than a year's worth of stats
[15:23] <dutchie> i hate freedom, so i use google analytics
[15:24] <dwatkins> there's also analog, ali1234
[15:24] <ali1234> and the reports are not very detailed
[15:24] <hamitron> ali1234: no pleasing some of us ;)
[15:24] <ali1234> well, i use webalyzer because it "just works" out of the box
[15:24] <ali1234> i couldn't figure out how to configure any of those others
[15:24] <ali1234> they wouldn't even give me anything
[15:24] <maco> mm yeah, awstats needs a bit of config. by which i mean, i think i had to change 1 line in /etc/awstats/awstats.conf
[15:24] <maco> LogFormat=1
[15:25] <maco> (to tell it its apache2)
[15:25] <ali1234> webalyzer doesn't seem to care even if the log format changes in the middle of the file (eg cos you changed webserver)
[15:25] <dwatkins> There's also Cacti or Munin, of course, but they are different.
[15:25] <ali1234> but thing is, i have quite a complex set up of vhosts too
[15:26] <moreati> TO make the choice worse. I came across http://polliwog.sourceforge.net/ moons ago, GA like but self hostable
[15:26] <ali1234> by default, they all just hit /var/log/apache2/ on a cron job or something
[15:26] <ali1234> that doesn't work for me, i have separate logs
[15:29] <AlanBell> ok, webalyzer was easy, but can I feed it old logs that are now compressed like access.log.9.gz
[15:31] <jpds> Why would you want to change webserver?
[15:31]  * DJones notes that gran hasn't spoken for 30 minutes & wonders whether the screensaver kicked in or not?
[15:31] <gran> :) sadly facebook distracted me
[15:31] <DJones> Hehehe
[15:32] <cps> ergh
[15:32] <cps> wireless dropped
[15:38] <gran> DJones,  fail :( and it only took 5 minutes grr
[15:38] <DJones> Ah well, thats a bugger
[15:39] <DJones> That was my only thought
[16:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] KDE's 4.6 Release Day - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4378
[16:18] <popey> bigcalm: running now
[16:18] <bigcalm> popey: too late :P
[16:18] <bigcalm> Just joined up the cobble stone
[16:18] <bigcalm> Need a lot more track though
[16:18] <popey> you are op, you can give it to yourself
[16:18] <popey> t /give bigcalm 66 64
[16:18] <bigcalm> I see
[16:19] <bigcalm> I'll give it a go
[16:19] <dutchie> http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/funny-graphs82.png
[16:21] <bigcalm> Having to type it each time is lame :P
[16:21] <popey> hah
[16:21] <popey> give 100 then
[16:21] <bigcalm> dutchie: heh
[16:23] <davmor2> dutchie: but are they causin' a commotion cause they are so awesome?
[16:24]  * czajkowski prods davmor2 
[16:24] <davmor2> czajkowski: What?
[16:25] <czajkowski> nada
[16:29] <moreati> He's mellowed, this morning's reponse was stabbing
[16:29] <Azelphur> Can you get web based SIP clients that'll just call you?
[16:30] <Azelphur> Like, click this button to call my mobile type thing.
[16:33] <moreati> hmmm, it would need to involve flash. Is skype acceptably SIP like?
[16:33] <Azelphur> nope, don't like skype :(
[16:33] <Azelphur> gmail can do it for free
[16:33] <Azelphur> but you have to have a gmail account :(
[16:34] <popey> Azelphur: you dont have a google account?
[16:35] <Azelphur> I do, other people don't
[16:35] <Azelphur> I run my stuff off google apps, some strange people use hotmail.
[16:36] <moreati> http://www.voipfone.co.uk/PB_Call_Me_Back.php but that involves the web user typing their number and getting a called by some relay bot
[16:36] <Azelphur> close :p
[16:36] <popey> Azelphur: give them an account on your domain :)
[16:36] <Azelphur> haha
[16:37] <moreati> Azelphur: you want them to actually use their laptop/whatever's builtin microphone and your server to call you then relay sound/
[16:37] <moreati> ?
[16:38] <Azelphur> moreati: yea
[16:38] <Azelphur> you can do it via gmail because I have a US number so it's a local call
[16:38] <Azelphur> but signing up for stuff is boring :p
[16:39] <moreati> Azelphur: why? What does that gain you, other than problems with muted microphones, flash permissions and machines with no microphone?
[16:39] <Azelphur> *shrug* figured it'd be fun
[16:40] <Azelphur> I already have like 300 telephone numbers dotted around the planet
[16:40] <Azelphur> it's just for giggles really xD
[16:44] <moreati> http://code.google.com/p/flashsipgateway/
[16:45] <Azelphur> fancy
[16:45] <moreati> then again, no code
[16:45] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:48] <moreati> http://code.google.com/p/siprtmp/
[16:49] <Azelphur> that looks better :D
[16:50] <screen-x> writing clearly about CMSs is hard :(  'Select "Main Menu" from the "Menus" menu.'
[16:54] <Azelphur> sup dawg, so I herd u liek menus...
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> Minecrafters? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2680-Minecraft (might not be entirely family friendly)
[17:12] <BigRedS> ooh
[17:15] <popey> oooo
[17:15] <popey> page crashes flash here
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: reload a few times.. flash crashes all the time on natty
[17:15] <popey> heh
[17:15] <popey> fine in ff, crap in chrome
[17:15] <Azelphur> (17:15:40) MartijnVdS: popey: reload a few times.. flash crashes all the time
[17:15] <Azelphur> fixed
[17:16] <gord> compiz bug, getting fixed in this release
[17:16] <gord> chrome + flash = crash
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> aha
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> l'explain!
[17:19] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: haha, very good
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: zero punctuation tends to rock
[17:23] <jpds> Not necessarily.
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> jpds: usually
[17:25] <popey> he's pretty much on the money with that one
[17:25] <Azelphur> gord: happen to know much about the compiz wallpaper bug?
[17:25] <popey> although misses the multiplayer element
[17:26] <Azelphur> I've missed my compiz wallpaper :(
[17:26] <gord> i know nothing about it
[17:27] <Azelphur> aww.
[17:48] <bigcalm> popey: all tracks joined up
[18:01] <popey> bigcalm: if only they were straight!
[18:01] <bigcalm> popey: have you tried running a cart on it yet?
[18:01] <popey> no
[18:01] <bigcalm> Me neither
[18:01] <popey> wanted to make a cart booster
[18:01] <bigcalm> yes
[18:01] <popey> but the track kept messing up
[18:01] <bigcalm> Will make one on the roof of the grass house
[18:02] <bigcalm> Server not running?
[18:03] <popey> fine here
[18:04]  * exobuzz tries out xPud
[18:04] <popey> exobuzz: join us in minecraft! :D
[18:05] <exobuzz> hehe thanks for the offer. but i think im going to fiddle with xpud and see if its worth running on the joggler ;-)
[18:06] <mfraz74> popey: do you get any errors with squid-deb-proxy?
[18:07] <gord> terrifying news everybody! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.html
[18:11]  * exobuzz runs mesa 7.11-git from xorg-edgers anyway. seems ok ;-)
[18:12] <exobuzz> why cant xorg make flexible api, so that drivers can work between versions though etc
[18:12] <exobuzz> would make it easier when using binary over drivers too
[18:12] <exobuzz> binary only
[18:14] <exobuzz> sandy bridge support seems pretty good anyway. most 3d stuff i have tried works nicely
[18:25] <moreati> "demoting several of the ancient X drivers ... voodoo" there goes part of my childhood
[18:26] <moreati> Trying to remember my first 3D acceleration card, it was a passthrough that came with a Tseng(?) 2D card
[18:30] <brobostigon> noswaith dda all.
[18:40] <brobostigon> good evening all
[18:41] <moreati> evening
[18:41] <brobostigon> good evening moreati
[18:42]  * brobostigon is alittle tipsy
[18:44]  * MartijnVdS is a little tired
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> http://goo.gl/maps/iHJP
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> ^ because of that
[18:45]  * brobostigon makes coffee for MartijnVdS 
[18:46]  * MartijnVdS gets a beer instead, sorry :)_
[18:47] <mfraz74> Anyone know if Jono's doing his show tonight?
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> Jono has a show? :)
[18:48] <mfraz74> well it isn't a show as such!
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> oh ustream tuff?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> +s
[18:48] <mfraz74> yes
[18:48] <brobostigon> mfraz74: good call, :)
[18:48] <brobostigon> mfraz74: sorry,
[18:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS:  good call, :)
[18:57]  * MartijnVdS puts on some 80s music
[18:58] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: I'm listening to Now 5 at the moment :)
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: Wham! - Freedom (actually the whole album, Wham - Make it Big)
[19:00] <lazarus_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DScZ42PPIyo&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGXNEcpKYHtI  <3
[19:01] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: I'm recording the album from vinyl to minidisc and then onto the computer using QHiMDTransfer
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> why through md first?
[19:01]  * MartijnVdS has a record player with USB port ;)
[19:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i was transferring some "the who"the other day, that way.
[19:02] <mfraz74> because I have a better turntable downstairs and it is away from computer interference. I'm using HiMD in PCM mode too
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> good thing most new albums include mp3 download vouchers
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> also, the Ubuntu Music Store now has EMI and Warner in the EU (instead of just EMI)
[19:03] <mfraz74> I'd still prefer to rip them myself to oog
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: with CDs, sure.. but with I'm not a vinyl expert (and I don't have the best turntable ever)
[19:04] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: Mine isn't a very expensive one, it's a £120 Project II
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> I have a Sony, about the same price
[19:19] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a way to perform regexp substitution on all emails in thunderbird
[19:19] <BigRedS> ?
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: uhm.. what kind?
[19:31] <mgdm> It's mbox format, fundamentally
[19:31] <mgdm> so you could do it with $SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> make sure to exit tbird first
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> but first: what's the problem that you're trying to solve? :)
[19:33] <BigRedS> Ooop. Got distracted :). We get emails in response to support tickets, which contain the ticket number
[19:33] <BigRedS> I want to replace that with a URL, which basically just involves prepending it with a particular string
[19:34] <BigRedS> I'd pondered doing it all over the mbox file, but I want to be able to do it while tbird is open
[19:37] <BigRedS> ah. Hometime!
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: can't you do it on the server? :)
[19:37] <mgdm> write an extension to rewrite it on the client side?
[19:37] <mgdm> I realise that may result in shaving many a yak
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: yak farmers around the globe rejoice
[19:38] <mgdm> heh heh
[19:39]  * MartijnVdS went on a yak shaving spree last year at work
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> now we have everything "debianized" and deployed quickly \o/
[19:58] <brobostigon> ok, does sshfs, use the same amount of data locally onthe mountpoint, untill its unmounted?
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: not that I know of
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: as far as I know it's a "remote fs"
[20:07] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so i put something inside said mountpoint, as it goes straight to the server, and with reading creates the appropriate latency.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:08] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank for clarifying that, you confirmed what i expected.
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> it's like nfs, smbfs, etc.
[20:09] <brobostigon> thought so, the latency concerns me.
[20:10] <Avo> Hi - Anyone here able to help me with a NFS query? I'm trying to understand the mp/mountpoint export option
[20:10]  * brobostigon wishes for gigabit ethernet.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Avo: if you provide mountpoint=, it will only export that directory if it's mounted
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Avo: so say you say "mountpoint=/home", the export you're defining will onle be an export if /home is mounted
[20:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Well, thats about all we have time for - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/12/22/well-thats-about-all-we-have-time-for/
[20:16] <Avo> Thanks. Does it look in /etc/fstab to check there is a mountpoint for it? Just not sure how it checks. You could still have a home folder, but that wouldn't count?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Avo: no it checks if the pointed-to folder is actually a mount point
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Avo: you can check if a folder is a mount point by typing "mount"
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> putting it in /etc/fstab will mount something on boot, so that would make it a mount point
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Example time :)
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Say your /home is on a separate partition
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> and it's in /etc/fstab, and mounts on startup
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> and in your /etc/exports you define an export for /home with the "mountpoint" option also set to /home
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> then the /home export will only work if the mounting of /home worked at startup
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> if it didn't work (filesystem error, disk not present, etc.), it won't be exported
[20:18] <Avo> Ah ok. Thanks for the example
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> so you don't end up with clients writing files in the wrong filesystem (/ in case /home wasn't mounted)
[20:19] <Avo> Yup
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if you need to re-export if you unmount/remount after exporting filesystems
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> best way to find out is to try it :)
[20:21] <Avo> Ok. Time for some testing. Thanks
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> np
[20:27] <Guest82138> Any UK netbooks ship with Ubuntu ?
[20:30] <popey> Guest82138: dell latitude 2120?
[20:31] <popey> not sure it's classed as a netbook, 10" screen 1366x768
[20:38] <Guest82138> I'll go look at 2120, thx
[20:44] <Guest82138> popey: Now in Dell Hell, does list Ubuntu in spec but try finding how to buy !
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> it tends to be easier to call Dell
[20:56] <Guest82138> "call" - yuk
[20:58] <Guest82138> found a Latitude 2110 with Ubuntu 9.10 £289+shipping+VAT
[21:41] <daubers> Evening
[21:42] <danfish> 'ello 'ello
[21:43] <brobostigon> evening danfish and daubers
[21:43] <danfish> lo brobostigon :)
[21:43] <brobostigon> :)
[21:44] <danfish> eczema status?
[21:44] <brobostigon> danfish: infection calming, eczema slightly dry, but not bad.
[21:46] <danfish> good to hear
[21:46] <brobostigon> danfish: no more yellow thingies on my skin.
[21:46] <danfish> daubers: did you decide on django for your project thingy?
[21:47] <danfish> brobostigon: yellow thingies are never fun
[21:48] <brobostigon> danfish: totally, they get very sore and painful, and hurt alot when you try and keep your skin clean, and also when i tryand put my cream on.
[21:48] <daubers> danfish: Yup, Going to sit and do some design for it on Friday
[21:49] <HazRPG> okay, having a weird experience with a printer here
[21:49] <HazRPG> seems to be printing stuff in landscape form
[21:49] <HazRPG> yet the test page prints out fine :S
[21:49] <HazRPG> I've checked all settings
[21:50] <HazRPG> (of the printer I mean)
[21:50] <HazRPG> and as far as I can see both the application, plus the drivers are set to print in portrait form
[21:51] <azeyu> hi there
[21:51] <danfish> daubers: there's a example of a task/project management project on the django website that I've been hacking around on
[21:51] <azeyu> is it possible to x display on x display ?
[21:51] <danfish> Workstyle I think it's called
[21:52] <danfish> azeyu: not sure what you mean
[21:52] <daubers> danfish: Oh?
[21:52] <danfish> daubers: let me get the link
[21:53] <azeyu> xdisplay on xdisplay
[21:54] <HazRPG> hmm, just made a dummy document and its printed it out fine
[21:54] <HazRPG> must just be the .doc my sister downloaded that seems to be encoded funny made?
[21:54] <HazRPG> (its a job application form)
[21:55] <danfish> daubers: http://workstyle-py.sourceforge.net/
[21:56] <danfish> it's listed as a GTD type thing, but there's more to it than that
[21:56] <daubers> Hmmm....
[21:57]  * daubers wonders if he has a spare VM on the work server
[21:58] <daubers> I have one thats running a test of vtiger I could install that alongside and have a play with...
[22:01] <danfish> sounds like a plan - I rather like the task.py view
[22:02] <azeyu> LEAVING
[22:07] <daubers> danfish: Ta, I'll install that tomorrow and have a play
[22:07]  * daubers heads to bed
[22:07] <danfish> o/
[22:51]  * popey files bug 708375
[22:51]  * popey pokes shotwell in the face
[23:10] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:43] <andylockran> howdy all
[23:43] <andylockran> I'm trying to tidy up my CV, and considering writing it in html and styling it with css (as that's what I know best).  Would anyone have any views on this?
[23:57] <popey> andylockran: whois the target for your cv?
[23:57] <popey> fact is any agency _will_ ask for it in word format no matter what you edit it in
[23:57] <czajkowski> aye
[23:57] <popey> so I'd keep a copy in pdf, word, and plain text if needed
[23:57] <czajkowski> they dont like .pdf
[23:58] <czajkowski> :(
[23:58] <czajkowski> most upsetting
[23:58] <popey> indeed, that's why I said doc :)
[23:58] <popey> understandable
[23:58] <andylockran> thanks for the advice :)
[23:58] <popey> they strip out your personal details from the word doc and pass it on
[23:58] <czajkowski> popey: was just agreeing
[23:58] <andylockran> Not sure where I'm sending it yet, all I know is that I'm sending it ...
[23:58] <popey> they also have auto-cv import tools into their recruitment databases
[23:58] <popey> which almost always only ever accept word
[23:59] <popey> having your cv in html/css is fine, if you want to link to it somewhere, but if it's over email then doc/pdf/txt is the way to go