[00:15] hey there [00:16] I have a touchpad that I would like to switch off [00:16] Can't see it in the System > Pref > Mouse [00:22] howdt [00:41] this channel rocks [01:15] [31396.166223] Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region [01:16] [31396.166234] Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO [01:16] this doesn't look good === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [08:17] morning all [08:26] morning [08:32] g'morning! [08:33] Is there a word for when a man does everything a woman says? He is... not smitten, but... [08:34] under the thumb [08:35] by the balls, under the thumb, but it´s not what I meant, but I guess I´ll never find the word likes this :P [08:36] there's a term that's less... derisory.. but I can't remember what it is [08:48] ujjain: in my house, we'd just call it trained :) [08:49] hehehehe :p [09:00] mornin [09:04] This is quite interesting - not sure about the practicalities but even so... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/multi-touch-in-ubuntu-using-a-webcam-and-your-hands-video/ [09:05] *clicks* [09:05] woah [09:06] morning all ..... [09:06] morning Neoti|work [09:06] that's pretty awesome TheOpenSourcerer [09:07] hey hazrpg [09:09] hello all [09:10] howdy doodle :) [09:15] Morning all [09:15] morning all [09:20] morning DJones & gord [09:23] Morning [09:25] morning [09:25] morning :) [09:27] Did anyone get an email back from the ose? [09:27] Just tried to install printer, set it up on desk, connected to power, but it didn't show up in lsusb. Fixed problem by connecting printer to computer :) [09:28] daubers: ose? [09:28] open source expo [09:29] I applied for tickets but never got an email confirming it... [09:31] "Registration Confirmation - Please read" was the subject [09:32] Stand number: 96 - 5x4m <- *big* [09:33] what's all the hype w/ this open source expo thing? [09:33] Furniture being provided for each of you: lockable cupboard/plinth. Chairs x2. And power, light/elec [09:33] I meant for tickets :) Not for actually showing .... [09:33] Net connection: the organisers will be providing 2 drops so please bring routers and long cables. [09:33] I love subject lines that say "please read" [09:33] mattt: wouldn't say it was hyped, but we are exhibiting there [09:33] "oooooooh! I was going to *eat* my email!" [09:34] AlanBell: cool, hope it's a good one for you guys [09:34] is there an ubuntu booth at fosdem? any of you guys going to that? [09:34] czajkowski: ^^ [09:34] * daubers should head to work now really [09:35] Hi folks [09:36] Does anyone here have any experience with Linux on Sony vaio laptops? [09:36] there is a page about them on help.ubuntu.com [09:37] AlanBell: Is there? [09:37] Im specially after installing nvidia drivers [09:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Maverick [09:38] and if you are feeling brave https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty [09:39] AlanBell: Sorry my irc just went dead. Could you repost that URL. Thanks [09:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Maverick [09:39] and if you are feeling brave https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty [09:41] I think we should launch http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/ at the open source expo [09:41] ... i don't know *how* tesco managed to get custard creams to taste like pancakes but they have... for shame [09:42] good morning :) [09:44] AlanBell: good idea - how do you 'launch' the website - a redirect? [09:45] AlanBell: don't forget to change the logo for the podcast or people will go blind :) [09:48] danfish: remove the beta. (I know that isn't a very web 2.0 thing to do) [09:48] MooDoo: *podcasting* makes you go blind now? [09:49] oh, I see what you mean now :) [09:50] AlanBell: if it works, why overcomplicate things.. [09:50] * Neoti|work lol @ AlanBell podcasting.... [09:50] AlanBell: I tried the fix on that page and unfortunately ended up exactly the same [09:51] Indy: I have no idea about nvidia stuff, but why not describe your issue, someone might be able to offer help [09:52] or at least sympathy and a cup of tea [09:55] mattt: yup there is [09:57] Basically when I install the nvidia driver Linux just boots up to the login screen. It just doesn't setup the nvidia driver. The way to get back to the GUI is to delete xorg.conf file. This puts me into a very low GUI mode. I've been sort of regretting ever buying the Sony because I didn't realise nvidia had driver issues [09:57] I ranted all over IRC yesterday about my ATi problems and Martin came along and fixed it all for me :) [09:57] I just don't get it with nvidia. How come their windows version works but Linux doesn't [09:59] How can I spread the good word about Linux when I can't get my damn pc to work [10:01] Indy, nvidia-installer breaks things [10:01] gord: any idea where I'd find Ev online ? [10:02] czajkowski, nope sorry [10:02] (would help more, but busy today :( ) [10:03] directhex: Ive tried everything [10:04] why is it, that its always the important stuff a person will lose :/ [10:09] Hm. Caramel flavoured coffee doesn't taste quite as good as the coffee powder itself smells. [10:09] anyone used ZoneMinder before ? [10:11] * BigRedS has Quite briefly [10:11] what's the acutal question? [10:12] BigRedS : just wandered if anyone used ZoneMinder in conjunction with Grandstream cams or just if anyone had used it at all ... etc... thinking of useing it and connecting it to my XBMC Media center etc ... [10:13] I do use zoneminder, but not with Grandstream cams or XBMC [10:13] ahh, thinking about it, not for a while, and not with Grandstream or xbmc [10:13] I'm probably quite useless :) [10:13] * Neoti LOL @ BigRedS [10:15] I use ZM with both IP and coaxial cameras, but nothing with XBMC. [10:15] is it any good ... [10:15] the web internet face seems a little crappy ... ????? [10:16] morning all [10:17] morning davmor2 [10:17] Neoti: as a CCTV appliance, it's pretty good by comparison to others. The web interface is basic but does the job. As it's open source, you can always make your own :) [10:17] MooDoo: You on mornings again how did you wrangle that deal? [10:18] It's okay. The interface isn't great, but functional enough. Motion-detect on multiple feeds requires a lot of CPU time. [10:18] davmor2: it's a two week shift pattern, 9 - 5:30 for two weeks, then earlies, then weekends and finally lates :S [10:19] i tried it a while ago with an axis cam and did not pick it up for some reason ..... i will have another goo later [10:19] MooDoo: I do not envy you at all [10:19] davmor2: neither do i [10:21] Neoti: I'm using 4 Axis cams, and found, you have to play around with video settings quite a bit before you win! [10:23] i spent 2 days at my previouse work place trying to get 1 axis cam working ... he he ... could not even get a video feed .... [10:24] hopfully the project has updated a little bit and work ... lol .... [10:25] Good morning peeps :) [10:26] Ha! I doubt it :P Message me if you get stuck. [10:54] * AlanBell haz CDs \o/ [10:54] yay o/ [10:55] oh, no I don't [10:55] I do [10:55] * bigcalm haz STDs /o\ [10:55] * czajkowski has a 100 here [10:55] :) [10:55] I have two baseball caps [10:55] Actualy, I don't. Just popped into my head [10:55] a squillion aubergine Ubuntu lanyards [10:56] 20 or so small orange circle of friends badges [10:56] copy of the official Ubuntu book [10:56] a load of stickers [10:57] an L and XL maverick Tshirt [10:57] one of which will be going to Paula [10:57] ...and a copy of the Art of Community ;) [10:57] czajkowski: you still giving a talk? what day/time? [10:58] AlanBell: is this potential foss-at-the-barbican loot? [10:58] mattt: Saturday 1pm [10:58] BigRedS: some of it is, certainly [10:58] czajkowski: good luck! will try to catch it if i can [10:58] mattt: there is a wiki page set up to add all Ubuntu folks going to fosdem [10:58] thanks [10:58] czajkowski: i should update that now [10:59] I think this is a one-off loco team gift, not an every release thing [10:59] there should be a banner and tablecloth [10:59] and we should get CDs each release [10:59] hay did someone say ubuntu loot ..... ? [10:59] where ? === cking is now known as cking-afk [11:00] Neoti: come along to http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ for some of it [11:00] markjones: ping [11:00] Is there a nice web based project management tool around? [11:01] big project or small project? [11:01] sugarcrm? [11:02] AlanBell: Many small-medium sized projects [11:03] vtiger and openERP both have some project management facilites, but at the rudimentary level (best level for project management IMHO) [11:04] Hmm.... might be a bit OTT for what I'm after [11:04] openproj is more sophisticated and I think has a web based something, not sure if that part is Free [11:04] Looking at the website, doesn't look it [11:05] Might be an evening with Django tonight [11:05] and there is project.net [11:05] and other things like trac [11:06] https://twitter.com/#!/savs/status/30192485674254336 :) [11:06] trac doesn't do what I want very well... [11:06] I tried to mend it, but broke trac horribkly :) [11:07] something homebrew in django sounds like a great approach [11:08] morning everybody [11:08] * knightwise is on ubuntu 10.10 on his macbook air ! [11:08] and its Friggin fast [11:08] Something homebrew in djanog is never a great approach [11:08] :) [11:08] Hmm. project.net wants an orcale db [11:08] MySQL? [11:08] knightwise: did you need an official CD drive to install it? [11:09] BigRedS: I think it actually wants the Oracle DB not the DB Oracle acquired :) [11:09] ;] [11:09] AlanBell: ;] [11:10] AlanBell: what do you mean by official ? [11:10] you mean the "expensive apple one" ? [11:10] nope :) [11:10] i just used my samsung one [11:10] I read somewhere that the only usb cd drive it would boot from was an apple one [11:10] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20Air%20using%20live%20CD [11:11] the only thing i cant get working is to disable the touchpad while typing [11:11] allthough i have set that up in the mouse preferences options [11:11] help.ubuntu.com is a wiki . . . [11:13] but this baby is F.A.S.T. ! [11:16] AlanBell: historically, they can boot off Firewire but not USB [11:17] AFAIK. So that might be the source of only working from an apple external CD drive [11:21] BigRedS: just take any external USB cd rom drive and it works [11:21] Macbook air has no Firewire port, remember ? [11:23] if you have a laptop with no firewire port, and a video camera with firewire output, is one totally stuffed? [11:23] Oh yeah! [11:23] I'm still stuck in PPC days as far as apple hardware's concerned [11:24] BigRedS: i have a 3G imac in the basement , been meaning to get ubuntu on there [11:24] but the 15 inch screen is a litle too small [11:24] didn't the PPC port stop at 9.10? [11:25] I've a small collection of G4 towers carrying out various duties. Almost seems a shame to have all of them hidden away in cupboards though [11:25] Err, G3 actually, I think. Translucent turquoise ones [11:26] knightwise which samsung do you have [11:27] just a regular external bus powered DVD writer [11:28] Neoti: have you tried other models that did not work ? [11:28] nope just asking [11:31] Neoti: don't worry , i've tried 2 different models of "non apple" external drives , and both worked [11:34] ok , Macbook air and Ubuntu 10.10 are a match made in heaven so far .. with OSX this baby was kinda sluggish , now its incredibly fast ! :) [11:34] knightwise: ssd? [11:34] MooDoo: nope , plain "spinning drive" [11:35] its not the latest 2010 model , its the one before that ( the 2.1) [11:35] knightwise: well there is an upgrade then :D [11:35] but still , FAST [11:35] MooDoo: true, but kinda kostly i think [11:35] knightwise: my 120 cost £190 [11:35] hmm , did you replace it yoursellf ? [11:36] knightwise: sorry i don't have a macbook i just meant in my laptop, and yes i did [11:37] with the macbook air , its quite an "operation" [11:39] not sure I like the wasapea [11:40] (graze) [11:47] davmor2: Those app reviews you're tweeting link directly to the apt:// url, which tries to immediately install that app. Not desirable imo - they should link to a page showing the review. Is it Software Centre that's generating them? Id like to file a bug. [11:50] moreati: top secret can't tell you ;) I don't know if the project is currently available for public reports let me check what needs to happen :) [11:51] davmor2: righto [11:52] yay for code drops [11:58] anyone know a good video-bloggin software for ubuntu ? [11:58] just to record some video and stuff [11:58] (using the webcam) [11:58] knightwise, cheese ? [11:58] and dont say cheeze [11:58] Darn :) too late :p [11:58] whats wrong with it? [11:59] knightwise: If you can tell why not cheese, it might help [11:59] kinda "jerky" [11:59] stutters when you record video :( [11:59] werid [12:00] its because it has to encode the video at the same time [12:00] your machine might be too slow for that resolution [12:01] Announcing the ODFPlugfest UK http://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/ all communities and developers are welcome to take part, we have space for talks and it is a freeevent to take part in [12:02] czajkowski: cross post spammer :P [12:02] toodlesbyup [12:02] bigcalm: :( [12:02] czajkowski: *big hugs* :) [12:04] gord: thats possible [12:04] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [12:04] hey czajkowski [12:05] * czajkowski stabs davmor2 [12:05] knightwise: as gord suggests that may b a limitation of your hardware/drivers, rather than cheese. Kamoso maybe has some different tweaks, but dropping the resolution or using a webcam with hardware compression is probably the way to go [12:05] knightwise: hi [12:06] czajkowski: well that the mornings out the way then :) [12:07] * daubers attacks python with a stick [12:07] * davmor2 awaits to hear that daubers has been eaten by a boa constrictor [12:08] CCD [12:08] oops [12:08] I'm using subprocess to get some data off stdout while a program is running and waiting for a bit to giove that program an instruction, but subprocess isn't giving me all the poxy output [12:11] ubuntu thinks my kindle is a "digital audio player" =\ [12:12] Does it have mp3s on it? [12:12] no [12:12] gord: but it could [12:12] yes but that doesn't mean the description is correct [12:12] stick a folder on it named dcim, and it'll probably call it a camera instead :) [12:14] DC42_Daflo [12:14] KDI_44 [12:14] Crud [12:14] stupid keyboard switch tool [12:15] AZE [12:15] aarg è! [12:15] sorry [12:16] I always chuckle when I hit the right key combo to switch to dvorak by accident. takes typos to a whole new level :) === Woden is now known as _suiauthon_ [12:30] * Neoti|work needs more voip clients..... [12:35] * Neoti|work steps out for FOOD! and COFFEEE!...... [12:37] Hey guys need some help, 1 of my drives doesnt show up i have to mount it using terminal everytime, how can i make it so it starts like the other when i start ubuntu? [12:38] Gringo: is it always connected? or is it an external disk (like an USB disk) [12:38] its always connected [12:38] !fstab [12:38] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [12:38] AlanBell: afaik you can configure that in "Disk Utility" (palimpsest) as well? [12:39] i have 2 hard drives, 1 partioned into 3 and the other just normal, its the normal one my d drive that doesnt show up unless i mount it with terminal [12:39] Gringo: see the links AlanBell and lubotu3 provided [12:39] Gringo: they explain how to do it [12:42] Thats the important job of the day done, salaries paid :) [12:46] #ubuntu [12:48] howdy [12:49] o/ [12:49] hey there [12:49] you well ? [12:50] yeah good .... u? [13:07] nom nom nom lunch [13:11] i got a JP with cheese and beans.. lol ... nom nom nom in deed... [13:18] Why does shepherds pie always taste better reheated the day after? Just like lasagne [13:20] maybe all the juices marinate everything more [13:22] Possibly [13:22] Either way it makes excellent lunch nomming [13:25] you nom that nom away ... [13:25] lol === cking-afk is now known as cking [13:43] afternoonings all. [13:44] how do i change a root owned folder, so i can access it aswell asread and write to said folder, from or as a normaluser, please. [13:46] ie /mnt/* [13:46] brobostigon: chmod 666 ? [13:46] brobostigon: You either take ownership of the folder, change the group of the folder to one you're a member of and make it group writable, or you make it world writable [13:46] er [13:46] chmod 666 is the third option [13:46] cheers BigRedS and moreati :) [13:47] note that with directories, execute rights are really list-contents rights [13:47] hmm. [13:48] brobostigon: not that making things world writable is usually poor practise in a shared environment like a server, but if it's your own machine then whatever.. [13:48] *note [13:49] ok, so, chmod 666, and then, chmod +rw ? [13:49] chmod 666 is chmdo +rw, they're two ways of denoting the same [13:50] well, teh former states where to end up and the latter states thechange to make. but chances are it'll be at 666. The only right missing with chmod 666 is execute [13:50] brobostigon: the other approach is sudo chown : [13:50] ...which you'd normally want in a directory [13:51] hmm, ok, [13:54] ugo=rw [13:55] * brobostigon goes to bang his head on his desk. [13:57] a friend to my rescue, with a beer. :) [13:58] brobostigon: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_653_4FsTEfc/TI44ObEDe5I/AAAAAAAABJ8/-XDR0avRf7A/s1600/tactical+facepalm.jpg [13:59] MartijnVdS: lol, :) [14:00] brobostigon: are you in good hands or do you need further assistance? [14:00] moreati: probebly need further assistance. [14:01] okay: Some queries: What is the path of the folder? Is it empty? [14:02] /mnt/** [14:02] nd it has a textfile in it atthe moment, [14:03] permissions on mountpoints tend to be defined by mount options, rather than by chmod [14:03] shauno: well, you can change them after mounting with chmod [14:04] shauno: at the moment, i am testing, so i dont want a permemnt fstab entry yet. [14:04] MartijnVdS: I always prefered the double facepalm http://media.photobucket.com/image/star%20trek%20double%20facepalm/SGM-Daly91/Star%20Trek/double-facepalm.jpg?o=1 [14:04] brobostigon: why did you say '/mnt/**' Are we talking about 1 folder here or many? [14:05] daubers: http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6566/182832-quadruple_facepalm_super.jpg [14:05] moreati: it is a single folder, a mountpoint, with a single txt file inside. [14:06] brobostigon: What is the path of the mount point? What filesystem is being mounted? [14:07] http://i.imgur.com/M22iv.jpg [14:07] moreati: /mnt/server and sshfs [14:08] brobostigon: and is it mounted now? [14:08] yes. [14:09] okay. Do you want _every_ user able to write into that folder, just yourself, or a group of users? [14:09] mc just crashed :( [14:09] Damn windows [14:09] moreati: just myself. [14:09] Or damn Java [14:09] brb. [14:09] one minute. [14:11] brobostigon: sudo chown -R : /mnt/server [14:11] any idea why my computer continues to change to screensaver no matter what i do with the power management options? [14:11] and what file i can edit? [14:13] gran: Do you know which screensaver you're using? I know I've installed alternative ones before that Gnome power manager's been unaware of, and so unable to configure [14:13] brobostigon: if you're on Ubuntu is likely to be the same as , check by running the command groups and looking at the first entry [14:15] moreati: thankyou, [14:16] brobostigon: the -R means recursive i.e. make the change to every file/folder inside the path as well [14:16] moreati: works, cheeers. :) [14:16] BigRedS, its done it since the install, after about 10 minutes it takes me to a login screen. Whether the cable is plugged in or not [14:17] the cable? [14:17] Ohh, laptop power lead? [14:18] try adding the Inhibitor Applet to the panel, see if 'activating' that stops the screensaver from working [14:18] gran: do you really mean the login screen? or do you mean you need to unlock the screensaver with your password? [14:19] gran: as well as the screensaver timeout, there are power saver timeouts in System > Preferences > Power Management [14:19] brobostigon: read this for a little more detail behind file permissions http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html [14:20] yeh thats what i mean moreati [14:20] :) [14:20] thank you moreati :) [14:20] popey: taking a break, will track some more later [14:21] gran: the first bit, or the second bit :) [14:21] :) [14:25] oh sorry need to unlock the screensaver... but the screensaver shouldn't even come on, i've set it to "never" [14:28] gran: Have you looked in System > Preferences > Power Management where the screen blanking can also lock the screen [14:37] gran: How long is it before the screensaver kicks in, there was a bug a few versions back where a blank screen was coming up after 10 minutes as though it was the blank screen screensaver? [14:39] yeh moreati, about 10 minutes DJones [14:40] well.. i just went to make a sandwich came back and it was up :P [14:40] just really annoying watching films etc [14:41] gran did you look at both tabs (On Mains Power, On Battery Power)? What is 'Put display to sleep when incative' set to on each of those tabs? [14:43] "never" on mains and an hour with battery [14:43] its running on mains now [14:43] so shouldn't have come on [14:44] gran: then your settings are right, you may suffering the bug that DJones mentioned [14:45] gran: (Do you mean 'screen is going to sleep' by 'come on', the term is confusing me) [14:45] nah sorry, display turns off and to turn it back on i have to put in the password every time [14:46] its not hibernating or anything [14:47] gran: Have a look at this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341617 There is a section to add to the xorg file that can stop the bug I was thinking of [14:47] thanks mate [14:47] That talks about kubuntu, but I had the same bug on ubuntu as well [14:48] Aparently the bug was to do with beryl/xgl so it could be something comepletely different now that beryl is compiz, but could be worth checking anyway [14:49] whats the filepatch to xorg.conf again sorry? [14:49] /etc/X11 [14:50] thanks [14:55] whats happened to ctrl alt backspace btw? they removed it? [14:55] how do i restart x now? [14:56] gran: zapping was disabled upstream a year or two ago. you can reenable it in your keyboard settings [14:56] !dontzap [14:56] To re-enable the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace combination that restarts your X server see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap [14:56] (its one of the "enable ____ keyboard shortcut" things in there) [14:56] cheers [14:57] gran: until you've re-eabled it I think logging out restarts X, but reboot definately does :) [14:58] yes logging out restarts X [15:00] in one version, theres this lovely bug where the dm asking X to restart properly doesnt work...instead it crashes. which is fine for ubuntu users since gdm apparently just smashes X with a hammer til it dies, then spawns a new one, while kdm actually uses the restart command thats supposed to work for X, resulting in it not coming back up for logging back in.... i forget which release that is. 10.04 or 10.10 i think [15:01] cheers guys, i'll have to wait and see if it worked [15:01] now that's something to use those facepalm pictures for [15:07] popey: can you re-generate the map please? [15:08] afternoon peeps :) [15:08] g'morning cps [15:09] BigRedS: Morning?! It's 15:09!! [15:09] cps: ach, near enough [15:10] :) [15:10] :\ [15:10] meh [15:10] * cps air guitars to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits [15:16] Does Ubuntu's 7zip package also lack a manpage like CentOS's one does? Just curious... [15:17] 7zip or p7zip? [15:18] * BigRedS has no manual entry for 7zip [15:18] I have p7zip-full installed [15:18] I was only able to find 'p7zip' which includes a binary called 7za which is currently extracting my archive, DJones. [15:18] man 7zip gives me nothing, but man p7zip has a man page [15:18] On 10.04 [15:18] 'No manual entry for 7za' [15:18] Man p7zip doesn't give me anything on 10.10 [15:19] it should do; per the last two entries in http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/p7zip/filelist [15:19] BigRedS: its not a default package [15:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/p7zip/filelist [15:19] oops, sorry [15:20] i installed p7zip & got the man page [15:20] 7zr and p7zip have manpages in that ubuntu package, thanks shauno, but the one in CentOS (built by rpmforge) seems to have only html documentation; thanks all, I was just curious to compare distros. [15:20] in summary: Ubuntu > CentOS [15:20]