[05:04] 1) anyone mind if i use that california loco pic with the bear in a flier for SD contingent, and 2) is there a svg of that around? :) [05:10] please do, let me dig up the svg [05:12] ok, you can open it up in inkscape and grab it from here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/ubuntucalifornia.svg a black and white version is here: http://neal.bussett.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-california-logo-bw.svg [05:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo [05:13] ah, here we go: http://www.nhaines.com/ubuntu/california/logo/ubuntu-california_logo.svg [05:13] alright, thanks pleia2! [05:14] sure :) [05:14] * kdub puts feeble gimp skills to use [05:14] might want to use inkscape [05:14] it's vector-based so it's much better at handling the svgs than gimp, makes them very clean [05:23] thats true [05:25] hello... inquiry for Linux support... anyone avail??? [05:25] welcome rob__ [05:25] hello [05:25] many thanks... happy to be here.. [05:26] might you have some time for linux support assistance? [05:26] my question is a bit technical [05:26] it involves boot loading [05:26] you're welcome to ask :) [05:27] okay... well, I'm attempting to install grub 2 within windows MBR... due to the fact that I do not have any other means of installing Linux through common means such as a bootable ISo [05:27] or mounting an iso image onto a flash drive [05:28] install grub2 from windows? [05:28] sounds like bad news bears [05:28] I know about linux, but with windows I'm completely useless :\ [05:28] hmm.. okay well then here's maybe how you could help me [05:28] rob__: is there a reason you need it that way? chain loading windows bootloader from grub is usually the way to go [05:29] well the reason for attempting to upload linux this way... is due to the fact that I don't have an optical drive working and i don't have a usb stick avaiable to mount a bootable iso of linux [05:30] my optical drive isn't responding in windows [05:30] well, getting grub installed is only half the battle, you still need to install linux itself somehow [05:30] well i've been reading up on it [05:31] apparently.. in order to install linux.. you need to install the kernal itself.. and a minimal root directory of file systems... it's actually called the "ram disk" [05:31] i did it once with gurb legacy [05:31] like when it was menu.lst ... [05:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows appears to use the ramdisk method [05:33] a-ha... yes... exactly [05:33] you are quick with the forums lo [05:33] lol &* [05:33] lol * [05:33] sorry can't type 2day [05:33] pleia2 is quick in general. :) [05:34] I try :) [05:34] hehe [05:36] hmm.. this is a very viable tutorial... [05:36] the only thing that's throwing me here.. is that menu.lst file... [05:36] it' [05:37] it's actually the older method... Grub Legacy... the new Linux distributions actually use grub.cft or Grub2 loader [05:37] cgf* [05:37] it wouldn't hurt to install grub legacy [05:37] it still works fine [05:37] ahh okay... [05:38] okay okay... outstanding... that's what I was worried about [05:38] I think I've only got one system with grub2 actually [05:38] well apparently grub 2 is a much much more efficient means of booting linux and other operating systems... [05:39] you can actually boot live cd's now from the boot menu for instance.. and like you can actually use terminal scripting within the bootloader itsefl [05:39] I still use grub1 -- it works a lot better if you have multiple linux distros. [05:39] grub2 does have some cool features, but they certainly aren't required, grub legacy has worked fine for years :) [05:40] hmm... very true [05:40] you are the most insightful linux irc'ers that I've run into yet [05:40] :P [05:40] * pleia2 tips her hat [05:41] so are you local? we have events too! http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california [05:43] ohh i wish i was local... i would love to move out to Cali... [05:43] I tried my locazlied channel [05:43] oh! pa? [05:43] but no one was avail... [05:44] yes ! [05:44] pennsylvania [05:44] just didn't wait long enough, there are some people around :) [05:44] I just moved here from philly, I still hang out in their channel [05:44] "just" - meaning 11 months ago [05:44] are u familiar with PA ? [05:44] ohhh no way how kool [05:44] i've been to philly many times.. it's an amazing city [05:45] I actually lived in the suburbs, but I was downtown pretty often [05:45] * kdub has heard its always sunny there as well [05:45] lol [05:46] if only [05:46] LO [05:46] LOL * [05:46] i love that show [05:46] i live in just west of Harrisburg [05:46] cool, I spoke at the central pennsylvania open source conference in 2009 [05:46] in harrisburg [05:47] cute city [05:48] open source conference??? that is just epic win right there [05:48] cposc.org [05:48] they have it every year :) [05:48] you seem to be very inuitively involved within the open source community [05:48] it's a small conference, but a lot of fun [05:48] see i've just now become involved with Linux open source about a few months ago [05:49] i figure.. Linux in many ways is the absolute best and most stable and advanced movement of operating systems distribution to date [05:50] that's certainly how I feel [05:50] i've uploaded a few systems so far.. but this is my first real snag [05:51] well I hope you're able to get your install sorted :) [05:51] i will most definitely check out and probably attend the next open source converence [05:51] cool [05:51] might also want to check out cplug.net [05:52] Central Pennsylvania Linux User Group [05:52] fascinating... :P [05:53] so you attended the community college in downtown harrisburg then I'm assuming last year? [05:54] well, the one in 2009 [05:54] i'm actually gonna be attending that college most likely son [05:54] soon * [05:54] in 2010 I was just missing all my pennsylvania friends who got to go to the conference :) [05:55] it was a nice venue, don't know much about the school itself though [05:55] it's actually a really nice campus for only being a community school base [05:55] yeah, I was impressed [05:55] looks like they don't have a 2011 conference listed yet [05:56] nope, it's not until the fall so it'll probably be a while [05:57] you are like mad quick with those links [05:58] familiarity helps :) [05:59] w/ out a doubt haha [06:00] what is you opinion about Debian v.s. ubuntu which is of course it's derivative developed distribution [06:00] and I hope I'm not taking up 2 much of your time lol [06:00] don't tell anyone, I have more debian systems than ubuntu ;) [06:01] hahahah.... (your secret's safe w/ me haha ) [06:01] and at work all our servers are debian. the franklin institute is one of our clients, their website is on debian [06:01] for the desktop (and absolutely laptops) I prefer ubuntu though [06:02] ubuntu seems to me... to be a release that has more GUI based utilities and command capabilities... [06:02] and is more terminal friendly... [06:02] but debian has a bigger repository of applications... ( am I close w/ the terminology? ) [06:02] I run a couple ubuntu servers, it does fine [06:03] Is debian's repository bigger? I thought ubuntu's was (because it has non-free stuff). [06:03] I was just trying to look up some statistics [06:03] well.. that's what I thought too.. but I researched it... [06:03] Ubuntu is less terminal friendly but more GUI friendly [06:04] and has a much faster release schedule, so it's easier to stay current but still have stuff that works. [06:04] yea every 6 months for debian [06:04] i mean i mean [06:04] ubuntu.. ** [06:04] my bad [06:07] yeah, debian is closer to every 2 years :) [06:08] anyway, time for me to call it a night here [06:08] take care rob__ [06:08] hmm.. alright well, are u usually in here? [06:08] yep, and in #ubuntu-us-pa too [06:08] so feel free to join them, they don't bite :) [06:08] hmm... alrighty... many thanks [06:09] much [06:09] i would be totally fascinated and interested in having many more conversations about open source with you [06:10] and if u ever have questions about computer hardware within desktops and such... then ask me because I'm very well versed with computer hardwre [06:11] * rww ponders how one would measure the... scope? coverage? of an apt repository [06:13] well... as far as I can tell from my research there are two main apt repositories available for every distro specific repository [06:14] free and then non-free [06:14] I'm wondering because I suspect that Debian + contrib + nonfree has the same amount of it as the total of the Ubuntu repositories. [06:14] non-free ** [06:15] true.. but apparently it is not recommended that you use apt.'s from server repositories that are not specific to your OS distro [06:16] I know. That doesn't really have anything to do with which repository is larger :\ [06:17] But yeah. You can't count how many packages because different packagers might either use one large package or split into a lot of small ones. Plus language packs and other such non-scopeful things. You can't go by total size because of various things that'd affect the size of binary packages... hrm. [06:18] Debian and Ubuntu mostly use the same structure there, don't they? [06:18] counting source packages might work [06:18] pleia2: inkscape was a good suggestion, flier looks pretty dece [06:19] from what I could tell... from according to polishlinux.org which is like a knolwedge base for distro comparison.. debian supposedly had like roughly 18,000 and ubuntu had like 10.. [06:19] but then that would be hard to keep real time track of [06:20] and yes you get into things like package tree's and what not [06:20] Odd, since Ubuntu syncs from Debian. I don't think we're excluding 8,000 packages from autosync :\ [06:20] so that is a good point [06:23] well true... a huge number of those packages are autosynced... [06:23] because debian and ubuntu us a lot of the same terminal utilities [06:23] what do u run? [06:24] i'm making my first personal install of ubuntu 10.10 64 bit [06:25] right now, I have Kubuntu natty x86 on one computer and Debian testing amd64 (with KDE) on another. [06:25] well, Debian almost-stable. It's coming out in a week or so, iirc. [06:26] ahh... so your running a test distro... [06:26] I'm still on lucid myself, rob__ [06:27] Yeah, I get bored if things aren't about to fall apart on any given day. [06:27] lucid.. that's one that I have not read or hear much about @ all [06:28] yea, i don't understand how u guys are ready to rip your hair out every day... because u have 2 deal with issues like hardware/driver compatibility issues... network hardware issues... software bugs... allll kinds of things... you guys are like the marines of Linux.. your the bullet proof vest haha [06:29] rob__: lucid is the previous release (10.04) and is the current "long term support" release, so it will be around, and popular, for quite a while yet. [06:32] hmm.. so this is like the updatable standard version of ubuntu... [06:34] the nice thing about both Debian and Ubuntu is that you have a choice between well-supported releases, stuff that works pretty well and is reasonably up-to-date, and insanity. [06:35] yes.. that's the main thing that drew me into Debain based [06:37] and I thought debian was a lot more complex with terminal commands then ubuntu [06:38] No, they're virtually identical. [06:38] i know ubuntu runs very efficiently for things like 3d rendering and gaming [06:38] honestly, why doesnt gwibber ever work? [06:39] If anything, ubuntu is more complex, because it tends to jump on new undocumented things like upstart. [06:39] see now I'm starting to completely rethink what my flagship distro will be [06:40] kdub: I used to blame couchdb. I need to go look at what its dependencies are now and find something else to blame :\ [06:40] rww: are you a gwibber dev? if so, sry for the blatent complaints :) [06:40] nope [06:40] but if I were, I suspect it wouldn't be anything I hadn't already heard a lot ;) [06:41] yeah, gwibber worked once for me, i liked it. then it stopped [06:41] It worked for me when I used it, but used ungodly amounts of system resources. I ended up using identica's XMPP bot instead. [06:42] well, apart from Facebook integration, which was broken [06:42] I only tried it for FB, and gave up on it (but that was a while ago, it's probably better now). [06:43] I'd love a non-broken way of reading FB. [06:43] i access all the actual web site servers themselves... because it's garaunteed to have the best feature capability of course [06:43] the only thing that I use in terms of universal access utilities is Empathy for chatting [06:44] yeah, i like the little floaty messages though [06:44] could probably just write a python script to send dbus signals when new twitters come in [06:44] thats all i want gwibber to do :P [06:44] you're well versed in python scripting ? [06:45] <3 bitlbee for twitter. I wonder if the version in maverick has that? (I had to get a newer one for lucid.) [06:45] if i want a script to do serious work, i use python [06:45] I wrote a nice python twitter app, but then twitter changed their authentication scheme and I never had the time to figure out the new way. [06:45] there's an api, makes it easy, or at least there was 6mo ago [06:46] There is, except for authentication which isn't documented. [06:46] The rest of the python-twitter api is super easy to use. [06:46] python sounds like way lite to me [06:46] beyond my skills lol [06:46] i know python is used in game development [06:47] It's a general purpose language, good for nearly anything (except kernel development). [06:47] well I'd think for that you'd need to use C [06:48] or C++ [06:48] http://xkcd.com/353/ [06:48] Just C, no C++ in the kernel. [06:49] would u say it's worth it to chase a degree in programming? [06:49] lolol [06:50] I wouldn't know, I got a degree in something else and learned programming on my own. [06:50] yea.. I'm starting with the basics right now [06:51] like right now I'm trying 2 figure out [06:51] But, time to give up on tweaking this android app and go to bed. Night, all! [06:51] night [06:51] kdub... quick question [06:52] don't ask to ask, just ask [06:52] (one of the cliche IRC sayings, btw) [06:53] if only people would ask whether they should ask to ask [06:54] basically what I'm trying 2 get at... is two things.. I need to get the most out of my CPU.. an AMD Turion 64 X2 [06:55] and from waht I can tell.. debain based distro support for 64 bit addressing has come leaps and bounds with the newest releases [06:56] so have all the kinks been worked out of 64 bit support.. like for instance.. i know there was an issue with installing flash on a 64 bit release [06:56] like any more... driver compatibility issues... this question is a bit in depth haha [06:57] idk, works pretty ok last I heard [06:58] fair enough... :) [06:58] i think i'm just gonna go w/ ubuntu legacy 64 then [06:59] on Ubuntu, flashplugin-installer for 64-bit in the repositories is the 32-bit plugin in a wrapper. There's an unpackaged 64-bit native plugin that's available from Adobe as an alpha or beta or something, if the wrapped 32-bit doesn't work. [06:59] I forget what Debian does, but I expect it's the same. [07:00] I've had no problem with 64-bit myself, but I also don't use non-Free stuff much at all, and that's where most of the complaints come from. [07:01] so.. it's Ndiswrapped ? [07:02] nspluginwrapper [07:02] which is an entirely different thing from ndiswrapper, but people mix them up constantly. [07:02] ahhhh... okay so ndiswrapper is the XP windows kernal wrap [07:03] and nsplugin is different [07:03] i am researching it now [07:03] haha [07:03] i wish i could be neo and just download all this informatin into my brain from the matrix [07:17] well many thanks once again... i need to do a bit more research to figure out if I need Debian or Ubuntu [07:17] although I know I'm going Lucid for now [15:25] morning === jamie is now known as Guest41956 [16:17] HEllo jedahan [16:17] morning MarkDude [16:17] Hey there jamie_ [16:21] * MarkDude just installed Puppy Linux 5.2 last night- *awesome* [16:22] Lucid Puppy, much cleaner easier to use, AND it lets you pick only the programs you need - FF, chrome, gimp etc [16:22] great thing to suggest to folks that want to learn about Linux [16:29] howdy MarkDude [16:39] jedahan, do you have a todo list started of activities yet? [16:40] yes, but its very short: just 'find place to stay' and 'go to noisebridge' [16:41] I will be able to do some major planning after getting mysql to behave nicely and fix whatever bugs I introduced this week [16:41] http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/383001-ignite-silicon-valley-3 [16:41] Feb 11th [16:42] Dojo has some real cool folks at it [16:50] ahh cool pettis started ignite [16:50] hes a pretty nice guy [16:51] dojo, added to the list [20:13] man its quiet in here today [20:14] * pleia2 work work [20:14] yeah hack hack hack hack [20:15] oh hey pleia2 i was able to find a converter i could use [20:16] jamie_: oh good [20:16] we received 100 ubuntu and 100 kubuntu cds for our scale booth [20:17] and now have badges for booth volunteers, so let me know if you are volunteering and need one [20:17] (gets you in for free, don't need to buy a ticket) [20:17] Kubuntu also? good deal DarkwingDuck as well as the Europeans will be happy :) [20:18] yeah, that's DarkwingDuck's doing :) [20:18] * MarkDude jokes. That is good tho, I know it was harsh to not have any KDE for the booth at OSCON [20:18] As we get closer - let me know what folks want on the ZA machine and others [20:19] * MarkDude figures Stellarium might work for eyecandy- the Strata has 512 Ati graphics [20:19] Unity also? [20:19] add these ideas to the wiki please :) [20:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x [20:22] * MarkDude does that now. And chooses to grumble to himself that there are still *3* links to *CaliforniaTeam/Meetings* in the header- [20:23] we received the exhibitors info, so I'll add that to the wiki too when I have a chance [20:23] (work is busy busy today) [20:26] I will lend the Ubuntu booth an Ubuntu keyboard and a Tux keyboard, both from Zareason. [20:27] lol [20:27] Last year to also provided CDs at the Gnome and KDE tables [20:28] I have a high end laptop now that we can use to let people use Kubuntu [20:28] I'll make a profile for it. [20:29] cool, so we all work to get the details on the wiki and we'll start getting together loose ends at our meeting on sunday [20:29] Ja [20:35] MarkDude: guy emailed me about a geeknic in LA. [20:36] looks like you're going to have a busy 2011. [20:37] geeknic in LA? [20:37] When? [20:37] I might drive the 2 hours for that. [20:37] I haven't a clue! [20:38] XD [20:39] DarkwingDuck, i got the email [20:39] I can forward info to you [20:39] MarkDude: can you please? [20:39] Sure [20:39] david.wonderly@kubuntu.org [20:41] * MarkDude can pretty much be assured we will find at least one person interested in this at Scale [20:44] MarkDude: so, viable you think? [20:49] * MarkDude is willing to bet $ on it [20:49] For sure. [20:49] Active folks down there [20:49] both of my talks mention geeknics [20:49] * MarkDude can have an email signup list [20:49] Great. [20:50] Also trying to get momentum for geeknic during OSCON or CLS in Portland this year [20:51] no guarantees on that [20:51] someone pick me up on the way to the LA one when it happens. [20:51] yet [20:51] ; [20:51] ;) [20:51] * MarkDude mocks SoCal [20:51] Hi Im SoCal- I can have parties at the beach- year round [20:51] hah [20:51] I'll show you! [20:52] I'll have my own party at the beach, today! [20:52] * JonathanD grabs a snow shovel. [20:52] * MarkDude guesses need to include vegetarian, vegan, as well as made-up cult diets as well [20:52] here here! [20:53] i'll just scrape the ice off my surfboard [20:53] My pilates guru says I can only eat wheat that has been blessed [20:53] haaahaha [20:53] jedahan, you need wetsuit up here [20:53] down there, not so much [20:54] * MarkDude wore one in San Diego years ago, got to warm - just wore shorts [20:54] hope you had a lot of sunscreen but that is nice [20:54] * jedahan has only surfed one time [20:54] and barely stayed on the board. Still it was rewarding [20:55] fun even [20:55] For the geeknics up here- we need to have sunscreen and shades as well as umbrellas etc [20:55] People burst into flames in SoCal they are like way closer to the sun down there or sumthin' [20:56] plei a2, as well as myself got burned last summer- we dont forget sunblock anymore :) [20:59] jedahan, are you planning on surfing while here? I would suggest a weekend in the *land of milk and honey* [20:59] Santa Cruz [21:00] Stay near the mall- boardwalk for 1 night- surf, go to the beach, etc. [21:01] DarkwingDuck, email sent [21:05] MarkDude, as I said before, if I am to surf I would probably need lessons [21:06] well, didn't say that exactly, but I'll take a look at Santa Cruz [21:06] Trying to stick with public transport as much as possible, don't want to rent a car [21:07] man boardwalk sounds great right now couldn't even get to work in this snow [21:10] jedahan, they have lessons of course :) [21:10] You can take Caltrain to San Jose [21:11] then a HWY17 bus [21:11] takes you to downtown SC [21:11] got it, follow John Coltrane to City17 [21:12] if I want to go surfing [21:12] Walking distance if you can tow your suitcase to at least 5 hotels motels [21:12] plus a youth hostel [21:12] right above the boardwalk [21:13] I hope to keep the suitcase light, but if it isn't whatever good excercise [21:13] screw surfing- go there because it is one of the most beautiful places on the face of the earth [21:13] hmm, I *guess* that is a good enough reason [21:13] People from Hawaii are impressed with SC, and they know part of perfection ;) [21:14] More than likely - for you to go- you could get a ride down there to go to an event or meeting [21:15] I will be posting my itenarary online as I sort it out, for sure [21:15] Remember that we have all sorts of different *worlds* here just a few miles apart [21:15] Not just the mental aspects- but weather also [21:16] Well, best to hear from locals what to do, for sure :D My usual google-fu is failing to impress [21:16] 30 minutes away can equal 20 degrees or more temp difference [21:16] due to elevation or how far inland/outland? [21:17] some of that [21:17] the mountains can trap moisture in or out also [21:18] the way the land tilts towards or away from the sun etc, [21:18] Sc is titled in a way to get more sun than Monterey - can make a 25 degreee change [21:18] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited [21:19] * MarkDude edited the scale wiki- is that how I should put the info? Or make a stuff we have list [21:57] MarkDude: I think we want to fill in the "Stuff we need" table - so maybe make a "Demo Box 3" and add yours as Demo Box 1&2 [21:58] but don't worry about it too much, mostly I just want a brain dump on the wiki so it's not all randomly talked about in IRC w/o coordination and we show up with 40 demo machines :) [21:58] and no power cables [21:58] and I think we'll want to go through everything everyone is offering to bring and pick the nicest ones [22:45] Sounds good pleia2 I can do that in a bit [23:11] Happy Epoch Day 15000 everyone! [23:52] what