[05:04] <kdub> 1) anyone mind if i use that california loco pic with the bear in a flier for SD contingent, and 2) is there a svg of that around? :)
[05:10] <pleia2> please do, let me dig up the svg
[05:12] <pleia2> ok, you can open it up in inkscape and grab it from here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/ubuntucalifornia.svg a black and white version is here: http://neal.bussett.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-california-logo-bw.svg
[05:13] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo
[05:13] <pleia2> ah, here we go: http://www.nhaines.com/ubuntu/california/logo/ubuntu-california_logo.svg
[05:13] <kdub> alright, thanks pleia2!
[05:14] <pleia2> sure :)
[05:14]  * kdub puts feeble gimp skills to use
[05:14] <pleia2> might want to use inkscape
[05:14] <pleia2> it's vector-based so it's much better at handling the svgs than gimp, makes them very clean
[05:23] <kdub> thats true
[05:25] <rob__> hello... inquiry for Linux support... anyone avail???
[05:25] <pleia2> welcome rob__
[05:25] <rob__> hello
[05:25] <rob__> many thanks... happy to be here..
[05:26] <rob__> might you have some time for linux support assistance?
[05:26] <rob__> my question is a bit technical
[05:26] <rob__> it involves boot loading
[05:26] <pleia2> you're welcome to ask :)
[05:27] <rob__> okay... well, I'm attempting to install grub 2 within windows MBR... due to the fact that I do not have any other means of installing Linux through common means such as a bootable ISo
[05:27] <rob__> or mounting an iso image onto a flash drive
[05:28] <pleia2> install grub2 from windows?
[05:28] <kdub> sounds like bad news bears
[05:28] <pleia2> I know about linux, but with windows I'm completely useless :\
[05:28] <rob__> hmm.. okay well then here's maybe how you could help me
[05:28] <kdub> rob__: is there a reason you need it that way? chain loading windows bootloader from grub is usually the way to go
[05:29] <rob__> well the reason for attempting to upload linux this way... is due to the fact that I don't have an optical drive working and i don't have a usb stick avaiable to mount a bootable iso of linux
[05:30] <rob__> my optical drive isn't responding in windows
[05:30] <pleia2> well, getting grub installed is only half the battle, you still need to install linux itself somehow
[05:30] <rob__> well i've been reading up on it
[05:31] <rob__> apparently.. in order to install linux.. you need to install the kernal itself.. and a minimal root directory of file systems... it's actually called the "ram disk"
[05:31] <rob__> i did it once with gurb legacy
[05:31] <rob__> like when it was menu.lst ...
[05:32] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows appears to use the ramdisk method
[05:33] <rob__> a-ha... yes... exactly
[05:33] <rob__> you are quick with the forums lo
[05:33] <rob__> lol &*
[05:33] <rob__> lol *
[05:33] <rob__> sorry can't type 2day
[05:33] <akk> pleia2 is quick in general. :)
[05:34] <pleia2> I try :)
[05:34] <rob__> hehe
[05:36] <rob__> hmm.. this is a very viable tutorial...
[05:36] <rob__> the only thing that's throwing me here.. is that menu.lst file...
[05:36] <rob__> it'
[05:37] <rob__> it's actually the older method... Grub Legacy... the new Linux distributions actually use grub.cft or Grub2 loader
[05:37] <rob__> cgf*
[05:37] <pleia2> it wouldn't hurt to install grub legacy
[05:37] <pleia2> it still works fine
[05:37] <rob__> ahh okay...
[05:38] <rob__> okay okay... outstanding... that's what I was worried about
[05:38] <pleia2> I think I've only got one system with grub2 actually
[05:38] <rob__> well apparently grub 2 is a much much more efficient means of booting linux and other operating systems...
[05:39] <rob__> you can actually boot live cd's now from the boot menu for instance.. and like you can actually use terminal scripting within the bootloader itsefl
[05:39] <akk> I still use grub1 -- it works a lot better if you have multiple linux distros.
[05:39] <pleia2> grub2 does have some cool features, but they certainly aren't required, grub legacy has worked fine for years :)
[05:40] <rob__> hmm... very true
[05:40] <rob__> you are the most insightful linux irc'ers that I've run into yet
[05:40] <rob__> :P
[05:40]  * pleia2 tips her hat
[05:41] <pleia2> so are you local? we have events too! http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
[05:43] <rob__> ohh i wish i was local... i would love to move out to Cali...
[05:43] <rob__> I tried my locazlied channel
[05:43] <pleia2> oh! pa?
[05:43] <rob__> but no one was avail...
[05:44] <rob__> yes !
[05:44] <rob__> pennsylvania
[05:44] <pleia2> just didn't wait long enough, there are some people around :)
[05:44] <pleia2> I just moved here from philly, I still hang out in their channel
[05:44] <pleia2> "just" - meaning 11 months ago
[05:44] <rob__> are u familiar with PA ?
[05:44] <rob__> ohhh no way how kool
[05:44] <rob__> i've been to philly many times.. it's an amazing city
[05:45] <pleia2> I actually lived in the suburbs, but I was downtown pretty often
[05:45]  * kdub has heard its always sunny there as well
[05:45] <pleia2> lol
[05:46] <pleia2> if only
[05:46] <rob__> LO
[05:46] <rob__> LOL *
[05:46] <rob__> i love that show
[05:46] <rob__> i live in just west of Harrisburg
[05:46] <pleia2> cool, I spoke at the central pennsylvania open source conference in 2009
[05:46] <pleia2> in harrisburg
[05:47] <pleia2> cute city
[05:48] <rob__> open source conference???  that is just epic win right there
[05:48] <pleia2> cposc.org
[05:48] <pleia2> they have it every year :)
[05:48] <rob__> you seem to be very inuitively involved within the open source community
[05:48] <pleia2> it's a small conference, but a lot of fun
[05:48] <rob__> see i've just now become involved with Linux open source about a few months ago
[05:49] <rob__> i figure.. Linux in many ways is the absolute best and most stable and advanced movement of operating systems distribution to date
[05:50] <pleia2> that's certainly how I feel
[05:50] <rob__> i've uploaded a few systems so far.. but this is my first real snag
[05:51] <pleia2> well I hope you're able to get your install sorted :)
[05:51] <rob__> i will most definitely check out and probably attend the next open source converence
[05:51] <pleia2> cool
[05:51] <pleia2> might also want to check out cplug.net
[05:52] <pleia2> Central Pennsylvania Linux User Group
[05:52] <rob__> fascinating... :P
[05:53] <rob__> so you attended the community college in downtown harrisburg then I'm assuming last year?
[05:54] <pleia2> well, the one in 2009
[05:54] <rob__> i'm actually gonna be attending that college most likely son
[05:54] <rob__> soon *
[05:54] <pleia2> in 2010 I was just missing all my pennsylvania friends who got to go to the conference :)
[05:55] <pleia2> it was a nice venue, don't know much about the school itself though
[05:55] <rob__> it's actually a really nice campus for only being a community school base
[05:55] <pleia2> yeah, I was impressed
[05:55] <rob__> looks like they don't have a 2011 conference listed yet
[05:56] <pleia2> nope, it's not until the fall so it'll probably be a while
[05:57] <rob__> you are like mad quick with those links
[05:58] <pleia2> familiarity helps :)
[05:59] <rob__> w/ out a doubt haha
[06:00] <rob__> what is you opinion about Debian v.s. ubuntu which is of course it's derivative developed distribution
[06:00] <rob__> and I hope I'm not taking up 2 much of your time lol
[06:00] <pleia2> don't tell anyone, I have more debian systems than ubuntu ;)
[06:01] <rob__> hahahah.... (your secret's safe w/ me haha )
[06:01] <pleia2> and at work all our servers are debian. the franklin institute is one of our clients, their website is on debian
[06:01] <pleia2> for the desktop (and absolutely laptops) I prefer ubuntu though
[06:02] <rob__> ubuntu seems to me... to be a release that has more GUI based utilities and command capabilities...
[06:02] <rob__> and is more terminal friendly...
[06:02] <rob__> but debian has a bigger repository of applications... ( am I close w/ the terminology? )
[06:02] <pleia2> I run a couple ubuntu servers, it does fine
[06:03] <akk> Is debian's repository bigger? I thought ubuntu's was (because it has non-free stuff).
[06:03] <pleia2> I was just trying to look up some statistics
[06:03] <rob__> well.. that's what I thought too.. but I researched it...
[06:03] <akk> Ubuntu is less terminal friendly but more GUI friendly
[06:04] <akk> and has a much faster release schedule, so it's easier to stay current but still have stuff that works.
[06:04] <rob__> yea every 6 months for debian
[06:04] <rob__> i mean i mean
[06:04] <rob__> ubuntu.. **
[06:04] <rob__> my bad
[06:07] <pleia2> yeah, debian is closer to every 2 years :)
[06:08] <pleia2> anyway, time for me to call it a night here
[06:08] <pleia2> take care rob__
[06:08] <rob__> hmm.. alright well, are u usually in here?
[06:08] <pleia2> yep, and in #ubuntu-us-pa too
[06:08] <pleia2> so feel free to join them, they don't bite :)
[06:08] <rob__> hmm... alrighty... many thanks
[06:09] <rww> much
[06:09] <rob__> i would be totally fascinated and interested in having many more conversations about open source with you
[06:10] <rob__> and if u ever have questions about computer hardware within desktops and such... then ask me because I'm very well versed with computer hardwre
[06:11]  * rww ponders how one would measure the... scope? coverage? of an apt repository
[06:13] <rob__> well... as far as I can tell from my research there are two main apt repositories available for every distro specific repository
[06:14] <rob__> free and then non-free
[06:14] <rww> I'm wondering because I suspect that Debian + contrib + nonfree has the same amount of it as the total of the Ubuntu repositories.
[06:14] <rww> non-free **
[06:15] <rob__> true.. but apparently it is not recommended that you use apt.'s from server repositories that are not specific to your OS distro
[06:16] <rww> I know. That doesn't really have anything to do with which repository is larger :\
[06:17] <rww> But yeah. You can't count how many packages because different packagers might either use one large package or split into a lot of small ones. Plus language packs and other such non-scopeful things. You can't go by total size because of various things that'd affect the size of binary packages... hrm.
[06:18] <akk> Debian and Ubuntu mostly use the same structure there, don't they?
[06:18] <rww> counting source packages might work
[06:18] <kdub> pleia2: inkscape was a good suggestion, flier looks pretty dece
[06:19] <rob__> from what I could tell... from according to polishlinux.org which is like a knolwedge base for distro comparison.. debian supposedly had like roughly 18,000 and ubuntu had like 10..
[06:19] <rob__> but then that would be hard to keep real time track of
[06:20] <rob__> and yes you get into things like package tree's and what not
[06:20] <rww> Odd, since Ubuntu syncs from Debian. I don't think we're excluding 8,000 packages from autosync :\
[06:20] <rob__> so that is a good point <rww>
[06:23] <rob__> well true... a huge number of those packages are autosynced...
[06:23] <rob__> because debian and ubuntu us a lot of the same terminal utilities
[06:23] <rob__> what do u run?
[06:24] <rob__> i'm making my first personal install of ubuntu 10.10 64 bit
[06:25] <rww> right now, I have Kubuntu natty x86 on one computer and Debian testing amd64 (with KDE) on another.
[06:25] <rww> well, Debian almost-stable. It's coming out in a week or so, iirc.
[06:26] <rob__> ahh... so your running a test distro...
[06:26] <akk> I'm still on lucid myself, rob__
[06:27] <rww> Yeah, I get bored if things aren't about to fall apart on any given day.
[06:27] <rob__> lucid.. that's one that I have not read or hear much about @ all
[06:28] <rob__> yea, i don't understand how u guys are ready to rip your hair out every day... because u have 2 deal with issues like hardware/driver compatibility issues... network hardware issues... software bugs... allll kinds of things... you guys are like the marines of Linux.. your the bullet proof vest haha
[06:29] <akk> rob__: lucid is the previous release (10.04) and is the current "long term support" release, so it will be around, and popular, for quite a while yet.
[06:32] <rob__> hmm.. so this is like the updatable standard version of ubuntu...
[06:34] <rww> the nice thing about both Debian and Ubuntu is that you have a choice between well-supported releases, stuff that works pretty well and is reasonably up-to-date, and insanity.
[06:35] <rob__> yes.. that's the main thing that drew me into Debain based
[06:37] <rob__> and I thought debian was a lot more complex with terminal commands then ubuntu
[06:38] <akk> No, they're virtually identical.
[06:38] <rob__> i know ubuntu runs very efficiently for things like 3d rendering and gaming
[06:38] <kdub> honestly, why doesnt gwibber ever work?
[06:39] <akk> If anything, ubuntu is more complex, because it tends to jump on new undocumented things like upstart.
[06:39] <rob__> see now  I'm starting to completely rethink what my flagship distro will be
[06:40] <rww> kdub: I used to blame couchdb. I need to go look at what its dependencies are now and find something else to blame :\
[06:40] <kdub> rww: are you a gwibber dev? if so, sry for the blatent complaints :)
[06:40] <rww> nope
[06:40] <rww> but if I were, I suspect it wouldn't be anything I hadn't already heard a lot ;)
[06:41] <kdub> yeah, gwibber worked once for me, i liked it. then it stopped
[06:41] <rww> It worked for me when I used it, but used ungodly amounts of system resources. I ended up using identica's XMPP bot instead.
[06:42] <rww> well, apart from Facebook integration, which was broken
[06:42] <akk> I only tried it for FB, and gave up on it (but that was a while ago, it's probably better now).
[06:43] <akk> I'd love a non-broken way of reading FB.
[06:43] <rob__> i access all the actual web site servers themselves... because it's garaunteed to have the best feature capability of course
[06:43] <rob__> the only thing that I use in terms of universal access utilities is Empathy for chatting
[06:44] <kdub> yeah, i like the little floaty messages though
[06:44] <kdub> could probably just write a python script to send dbus signals when new twitters come in
[06:44] <kdub> thats all i want gwibber to do :P
[06:44] <rob__> you're well versed in python scripting ?
[06:45] <akk> <3 bitlbee for twitter. I wonder if the version in maverick has that? (I had to get a newer one for lucid.)
[06:45] <kdub> if i want a script to do serious work, i use python
[06:45] <akk> I wrote a nice python twitter app, but then twitter changed their authentication scheme and I never had the time to figure out the new way.
[06:45] <kdub> there's an api, makes it easy, or at least there was 6mo ago
[06:46] <akk> There is, except for authentication which isn't documented.
[06:46] <akk> The rest of the python-twitter api is super easy to use.
[06:46] <rob__> python sounds like way lite to me
[06:46] <rob__> beyond my skills lol
[06:46] <rob__> i know python is used in game development
[06:47] <akk> It's a general purpose language, good for nearly anything (except kernel development).
[06:47] <rob__> well I'd think for that you'd need to use C
[06:48] <rob__> or C++
[06:48] <akk> http://xkcd.com/353/
[06:48] <akk> Just C, no C++ in the kernel.
[06:49] <rob__> would u say it's worth it to chase a degree in programming?
[06:49] <rob__> lolol
[06:50] <akk> I wouldn't know, I got a degree in something else and learned programming on my own.
[06:50] <rob__> yea.. I'm starting with the basics right now
[06:51] <rob__> like right now I'm trying 2 figure out
[06:51] <akk> But, time to give up on tweaking this android app and go to bed. Night, all!
[06:51] <rob__> night
[06:51] <rob__> kdub... quick question
[06:52] <kdub> don't ask to ask, just ask
[06:52] <kdub> (one of the cliche IRC sayings, btw)
[06:53] <rww> if only people would ask whether they should ask to ask
[06:54] <rob__> basically what I'm trying 2 get at... is two things.. I need to get the most out of my CPU.. an AMD Turion 64 X2
[06:55] <rob__> and from waht I can tell.. debain based distro support for 64 bit addressing has come leaps and bounds with the newest releases
[06:56] <rob__> so have all the kinks been worked out of 64 bit support.. like for instance.. i know there was an issue with installing flash on a 64 bit release
[06:56] <rob__> like any more... driver compatibility issues... this question is a bit in depth haha
[06:57] <kdub> idk, works pretty ok last I heard
[06:58] <rob__> fair enough... :)
[06:58] <rob__> i think i'm just gonna go w/ ubuntu legacy 64 then
[06:59] <rww> on Ubuntu, flashplugin-installer for 64-bit in the repositories is the 32-bit plugin in a wrapper. There's an unpackaged 64-bit native plugin that's available from Adobe as an alpha or beta or something, if the wrapped 32-bit doesn't work.
[06:59] <rww> I forget what Debian does, but I expect it's the same.
[07:00] <rww> I've had no problem with 64-bit myself, but I also don't use non-Free stuff much at all, and that's where most of the complaints come from.
[07:01] <rob__> so.. it's Ndiswrapped ?
[07:02] <rww> nspluginwrapper
[07:02] <rww> which is an entirely different thing from ndiswrapper, but people mix them up constantly.
[07:02] <rob__> ahhhh... okay so ndiswrapper is the XP windows kernal wrap
[07:03] <rob__> and nsplugin is different
[07:03] <rob__> i am researching it now
[07:03] <rob__> haha
[07:03] <rob__> i wish i could be neo and just download all this informatin into my brain from the matrix
[07:17] <rob__> well many thanks once again... i need to do a bit more research to figure out if I need Debian or Ubuntu
[07:17] <rob__> although I know I'm going Lucid for now
[15:25] <jamie> morning
[16:17] <MarkDude> HEllo jedahan
[16:17] <jamie_> morning MarkDude
[16:17] <MarkDude> Hey there jamie_
[16:21]  * MarkDude just installed Puppy Linux 5.2 last night- *awesome*
[16:22] <MarkDude> Lucid Puppy, much cleaner easier to use,  AND it lets you pick only the programs you need - FF, chrome, gimp etc
[16:22] <MarkDude> great thing to suggest to folks that want to learn about Linux
[16:29] <jedahan> howdy MarkDude
[16:39] <MarkDude> jedahan, do you have a todo list started of activities yet?
[16:40] <jedahan> yes, but its very short: just 'find place to stay' and 'go to noisebridge'
[16:41] <jedahan> I will be able to do some major planning after getting mysql to behave nicely and fix whatever bugs I introduced this week
[16:41] <MarkDude> http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/383001-ignite-silicon-valley-3
[16:41] <MarkDude> Feb 11th
[16:42] <MarkDude> Dojo has some real cool folks at it
[16:50] <jedahan> ahh cool pettis started ignite
[16:50] <jedahan> hes a pretty nice guy
[16:51] <jedahan> dojo, added to the list
[20:13] <jamie_> man its quiet in here today
[20:14]  * pleia2 work work
[20:14] <jedahan> yeah hack hack hack hack
[20:15] <jamie_> oh hey pleia2 i was able to find a converter i could use
[20:16] <pleia2> jamie_: oh good
[20:16] <pleia2> we received 100 ubuntu and 100 kubuntu cds for our scale booth
[20:17] <pleia2> and now have badges for booth volunteers, so let me know if you are volunteering and need one
[20:17] <pleia2> (gets you in for free, don't need to buy a ticket)
[20:17] <MarkDude> Kubuntu also? good deal DarkwingDuck as well as the Europeans will be happy :)
[20:18] <pleia2> yeah, that's DarkwingDuck's doing :)
[20:18]  * MarkDude jokes. That is good tho, I know it was harsh to not have any KDE for the booth at OSCON
[20:18] <MarkDude> As we get closer - let me know what folks want on the ZA machine and others
[20:19]  * MarkDude figures Stellarium might work for eyecandy- the Strata has 512 Ati graphics
[20:19] <MarkDude> Unity also?
[20:19] <pleia2> add these ideas to the wiki please :)
[20:20] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[20:22]  * MarkDude does that now. And chooses to grumble to himself that there are still *3* links to *CaliforniaTeam/Meetings* in the header-
[20:23] <pleia2> we received the exhibitors info, so I'll add that to the wiki too when I have a chance
[20:23] <pleia2> (work is busy busy today)
[20:26] <nhaines> I will lend the Ubuntu booth an Ubuntu keyboard and a Tux keyboard, both from Zareason.
[20:27] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[20:27] <DarkwingDuck> Last year to also provided CDs at the Gnome and KDE tables
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> I have a high end laptop now that we can use to let people use Kubuntu
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> I'll make a profile for it.
[20:29] <pleia2> cool, so we all work to get the details on the wiki and we'll start getting together loose ends at our meeting on sunday
[20:29] <DarkwingDuck> Ja
[20:35] <JonathanD> MarkDude: guy emailed me about a geeknic in LA.
[20:36] <JonathanD> looks like you're going to have a busy 2011.
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> geeknic in LA?
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> When?
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> I might drive the 2 hours for that.
[20:37] <JonathanD> I haven't a clue!
[20:38] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[20:39] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, i got the email
[20:39] <MarkDude> I can forward info to you
[20:39] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: can you please?
[20:39] <MarkDude> Sure
[20:39] <DarkwingDuck> david.wonderly@kubuntu.org
[20:41]  * MarkDude can pretty much be assured we will find at least one person interested in this at Scale
[20:44] <JonathanD> MarkDude: so, viable you think?
[20:49]  * MarkDude is willing to bet $ on it
[20:49] <MarkDude> For sure.
[20:49] <MarkDude> Active folks down there
[20:49] <MarkDude> both of my talks mention geeknics
[20:49]  * MarkDude can have an email signup list
[20:49] <JonathanD> Great.
[20:50] <MarkDude> Also trying to get momentum for geeknic during OSCON or CLS in Portland this year
[20:51] <MarkDude> no guarantees on that
[20:51] <JonathanD> someone pick me up on the way to the LA one when it happens.
[20:51] <MarkDude> yet
[20:51] <JonathanD> ;
[20:51] <JonathanD> ;)
[20:51]  * MarkDude mocks SoCal
[20:51] <MarkDude> Hi Im SoCal- I can have parties at the beach- year round
[20:51] <JonathanD> hah
[20:51] <JonathanD> I'll show you!
[20:52] <JonathanD> I'll have my own party at the beach, today!
[20:52]  * JonathanD grabs a snow shovel.
[20:52]  * MarkDude guesses need to include vegetarian, vegan, as well as made-up cult diets as well
[20:52] <jedahan> here here!
[20:53] <jedahan> i'll just scrape the ice off my surfboard
[20:53] <MarkDude> My pilates guru says I can only eat wheat that has been blessed
[20:53] <jedahan> haaahaha
[20:53] <MarkDude> jedahan, you need wetsuit up here
[20:53] <MarkDude> down there, not so much
[20:54]  * MarkDude wore one in San Diego years ago, got to warm - just wore shorts
[20:54] <jedahan> hope you had a lot of sunscreen but that is nice
[20:54]  * jedahan has only surfed one time
[20:54] <jedahan> and barely stayed on the board. Still it was rewarding
[20:55] <jedahan> fun even
[20:55] <MarkDude> For the geeknics up here- we need to have sunscreen and shades as well as umbrellas etc
[20:55] <MarkDude> People burst into flames in SoCal they are like way closer to the sun down there or sumthin'
[20:56] <MarkDude> plei a2, as well as myself got burned last summer- we dont forget sunblock anymore :)
[20:59] <MarkDude> jedahan, are you planning on surfing while here? I would suggest a weekend in the *land of milk and honey*
[20:59] <MarkDude> Santa Cruz
[21:00] <MarkDude> Stay near the mall- boardwalk for 1 night- surf, go to the beach, etc.
[21:01] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, email sent
[21:05] <jedahan> MarkDude, as I said before, if I am to surf I would probably need lessons
[21:06] <jedahan> well, didn't say that exactly, but I'll take a look at Santa Cruz
[21:06] <jedahan> Trying to stick with public transport as much as possible, don't want to rent a car
[21:07] <jedahan> man boardwalk sounds great right now couldn't even get to work in this snow
[21:10] <MarkDude> jedahan, they have lessons of course :)
[21:10] <MarkDude> You can take Caltrain to San Jose
[21:11] <MarkDude> then a HWY17 bus
[21:11] <MarkDude> takes you to downtown SC
[21:11] <jedahan> got it, follow John Coltrane to City17
[21:12] <jedahan> if I want to go surfing
[21:12] <MarkDude> Walking distance if you can tow your suitcase to at least 5 hotels motels
[21:12] <MarkDude> plus a youth hostel
[21:12] <MarkDude> right above the boardwalk
[21:13] <jedahan> I hope to keep the suitcase light, but if it isn't whatever good excercise
[21:13] <MarkDude> screw surfing- go there because it is one of the most beautiful places on the face of the earth
[21:13] <jedahan> hmm, I *guess* that is a good enough reason
[21:13] <MarkDude> People from Hawaii are impressed with SC, and they know part of perfection ;)
[21:14] <MarkDude> More than likely - for you to go- you could get a ride down there to go to an event or meeting
[21:15] <jedahan> I will be posting my itenarary online as I sort it out, for sure
[21:15] <MarkDude> Remember that we have all sorts of different *worlds* here just a few miles apart
[21:15] <MarkDude> Not just the mental aspects- but weather also
[21:16] <jedahan> Well, best to hear from locals what to do, for sure :D My usual google-fu is failing to impress
[21:16] <MarkDude> 30 minutes away can equal 20 degrees or more temp difference
[21:16] <jedahan> due to elevation or how far inland/outland?
[21:17] <MarkDude> some of that
[21:17] <MarkDude> the mountains can trap moisture in or out also
[21:18] <MarkDude> the way the land tilts towards or away from the sun etc,
[21:18] <MarkDude> Sc is titled in a way to get more sun than Monterey - can make a 25 degreee change
[21:18] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[21:19]  * MarkDude edited the scale wiki- is that how I should put the info? Or make a stuff we have list
[21:57] <pleia2> MarkDude: I think we want to fill in the "Stuff we need" table - so maybe make a "Demo Box 3" and add yours as Demo Box 1&2
[21:58] <pleia2> but don't worry about it too much, mostly I just want a brain dump on the wiki so it's not all randomly talked about in IRC w/o coordination and we show up with 40 demo machines :)
[21:58] <pleia2> and no power cables
[21:58] <pleia2> and I think we'll want to go through everything everyone is offering to bring and pick the nicest ones
[22:45] <MarkDude> Sounds good pleia2 I can do that in a bit
[23:11] <nhaines> Happy Epoch Day 15000 everyone!
[23:52] <rww> what