[02:49] <ChinnoDog> Opinion: Is akismet or admin approval necessary for creation of accounts / comments on wp if OpenID is being used exclusively for authentication?
[02:49] <ChinnoDog> ... I should be asking that in #wordpress
[03:10] <MutantTurkey> ask that in wordpress...
[03:19] <ChinnoDog> no one answered me
[03:19] <ChinnoDog> its ok. If I get spammed to death, I'll have to do something about it
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> :/
[03:53] <ChinnoDog> Akismet is still enabled, so I am proabably ok
[03:54] <MutantTurkey> what is Akismet?
[03:54] <PennBot> Rumor has it Akismet is still enabled, so I am proabably ok, MutantTurkey
[03:54] <ChinnoDog> lol
[03:54] <MutantTurkey> FUCK THAT.
[03:54] <MutantTurkey> sometimes i want to shoot pennbot in the face
[03:54] <ChinnoDog> It is the anti-spam plugin that comes with wp
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> ah
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> Akistmet is an anti-spam plugin that comes with wp
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> Akismet is an anti-spam plugin that comes with wp
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> what is Akismet?
[03:55] <PennBot> I guess Akismet is still enabled, so I am proabably ok, MutantTurkey
[03:56] <MutantTurkey> :|
[03:56] <ChinnoDog> PennBot is mocking you
[03:56] <PennBot> Wish I knew, ChinnoDog.
[03:58] <ChinnoDog> I guess I'm done hacking at it for now. I am still not satisfied with the way the comments are set up.
[03:58] <ChinnoDog> I nixed the openid, now you have to log in with fb or twitter to comment
[04:06] <MutantTurkey> whats your blog at?
[04:07] <MutantTurkey> i will login and still comment obnoxiously
[04:10] <ChinnoDog> lol
[04:11] <ChinnoDog> http://www.chinnodog.com, of course
[04:11] <MutantTurkey> thankyousir
[04:11] <ChinnoDog> At least everyone will know who to attribute the obnoxious comments to!
[04:11] <MutantTurkey> damnit post something new ChinnoDog
[04:12] <ChinnoDog> k, just so you can make an obnoxious post
[04:14] <MutantTurkey> naw ;p
[04:15] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: done
[04:15] <ChinnoDog> Leave comment plz
[04:16] <ChinnoDog> I haven't found a way to hide the comment box before you sign in with fb/twitter.  Things to do...
[04:17] <MutantTurkey> darn, i just wrote a whole message and realized
[04:17] <ChinnoDog> noooo. lol. I knew that was going to happen
[04:17] <MutantTurkey> :/
[04:17] <ChinnoDog> idk how to fix it right now!
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> lol
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> nice comment
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> Your avatar isn't showing though. hmm
[04:20] <MutantTurkey> odd, my avatar needs replacing
[04:21] <ChinnoDog> oh. you used twitter
[04:21]  * ChinnoDog goes digging for settings
[04:21] <MutantTurkey> should i have not?
[04:21] <MutantTurkey> what were you expecting?
[04:24] <ChinnoDog> That was fine, but my .css needs tweaking apparently
[04:26] <MutantTurkey> oh
[04:27] <ChinnoDog> It tells me to modify the css with .twitter-avatar, but it does not tell me what to set it to!
[04:30] <MutantTurkey> :o
[04:30] <MutantTurkey> i know nothing of modern internets
[04:30] <MutantTurkey> actually i'm off to bed. night ChinnoDog
[05:23] <rob__> hello all... inquiry for Linux support here
[05:24] <rob__> anyone avail?
[05:26] <andrew> drive-by
[05:26] <pleia2> drat, I said hi in -us-ca before they byed
[05:45] <pleia2> ah, they are a PA-er
[11:57] <JonathanD> vroooom
[11:58] <JonathanD> sometimes I wish for one of those biblical shepherd staffs with which to grab some one and yank them back on, like the folks did on stage... but in reverse.
[12:21] <jedijf> damn, missed that one minute opportunity to help
[14:54] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[14:54] <SamuraiAlba> How do I fix the WUBI GRUB since I repartitioned?
[14:55] <SamuraiAlba> I need to change the config and do not know where it is
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: The snow is wet and dense. It should hold up a few lunch trays no problem.
[15:40] <ssweeny> excellent
[15:40] <ssweeny> maybe if i do this just right i can break my nose the other way and it'll be straight again
[15:42] <ChinnoDog> haha. Something tells me mrs_ssweeny isn't going to approve of this plan.
[15:45] <SamuraiAlba> All - How do I edit GRUB IN Ubuntu?
[15:52] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog: it's rare when mrs_ssweeny does approve one of my plans
[15:57] <jedijf> SamuraiAlba: iirc there are wubi specific instructions here too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:57] <PennBot> Title: Grub2 - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[15:58] <MutantTurkey> grub2? blech
[16:20] <SamuraiAlba> thankies
[17:06] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you are /entirely/ too young not to embrace change....get used to it
[17:08] <andrew> Now get off my lawn?
[17:08] <SamuraiAlba> LOL
[17:13] <andrew> jthan: Happy Birthday
[17:14] <andrew> @seen jthan
[17:14] <PennBot> andrew: jthan was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 1 week, 2 days, 12 hours, 6 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <jthan> Makes me wanna just take it back and keep using my iPhone until another android phone that is worthy comes out for AT&T :-P
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: i am already a old fart
[17:34] <InHisName> Yes, jedijf, old f* need to embrace change or be left behind.
[17:36] <ChinnoDog> Is LibreOffice > OpenOffice?
[17:37] <andrew> Yes.
[17:37] <andrew> not by much at this point, but it is supposed to be
[17:45] <ChinnoDog> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Cold-War-Between-OpenOffice.org-and-LibreOffice
[17:45] <PennBot> Title: The Cold War Between OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice - Linux Magazine Online (at www.linux-magazine.com)
[17:45] <ChinnoDog> That is a very interesting article.
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> I don't understand how the whole corporate sponsorship thing works.
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> So, you and a group of people are working on a piece of software, presumably because it is your baby and you want it to succeed.
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> Presumably life then gets in the way and you have to feed and clothe yourselves, and the project has reached critical mass so far as available resources
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> Is this when you look for someone to pay your way so you don't have to quit or get another job?
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> And, if so, how do they exert control over your project? Threaten not to pay you?
[18:08] <pleia2> talking about open office?
[18:08] <ChinnoDog> Yes, though I assume this is how all sponsored oss projects work.
[18:08] <pleia2> poor assumption
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> So enlighten me.
[18:09] <pleia2> tons of companies contribute to open source projects and could be called sponsors, it doesn't mean they all have a controlling interest
[18:10] <ChinnoDog> But at least in the case of OpenOffice and other projects Oracle has taken under their wing like VirtualBox, Oracle is not just a contributor, right?
[18:10] <pleia2> in the case of Oracle they own the Open Office trademarks and logos and pay a lot of the core developers, so they do have a controlling interest
[18:10] <pleia2> just like Canonical owns the Ubuntu trademarks
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> The trademarks... where did those originate? The founders registered them at project start and then they became worth big bucks?
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> Oracle fails.
[18:11] <pleia2> I don't know the specifics about the open office trademark
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> with Open Office
[18:11] <pleia2> Oracle inherited it when they bought Sun
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> because all their code is just getting merged into the LibreOffice releases.
[18:12] <pleia2> not sure where it stood before that
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> Ok, someone created the trademark, now Oracle owns it. I'm not clear why it is worth anything in the open source world since anyone can fork the code, but, ok...
[18:13] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: at this point its not really worth anything, other than the name.
[18:13] <pleia2> you guys have a lot to learn about marketing ;)
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> So now Oracle pays the OpenOffice team to develop. The suggestion here is that OpenOffice is under their thumb because they pay the developers, and the developers can't leave because they can't release code under the OpenOffice trademark?
[18:13] <MutantTurkey> exactly
[18:13] <pleia2> names mean a lot
[18:13] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: they all left
[18:13] <MutantTurkey> like half the devels left with LibreOffice
[18:13] <pleia2> they can leave, but they need a job too
[18:13] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: you know all about TDF and LibreOffice right?
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: write me a book. lol
[18:14] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: you missed the conversation between the time you left and rejoined the channel...
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: I am sorry.
[18:15] <pleia2> PennBot: logs?
 we haz logs, http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/PennBot/ or What happens in #ubuntu-us-pa stays in the logs
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: So the developers under each sponsor are there because they wanta job, correct?
[18:17] <ChinnoDog> In effect, they have gone from a group of developers that want to write good software to 9-5 wage slaves
[18:17] <ChinnoDog> That might sound harsh, I am just trying to understand.
[18:21] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked/1 < decent cpu for a general purpose box?
[18:21] <PennBot> Title: The Brazos Performance Preview: AMD E-350 Benchmarked - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News (at www.anandtech.com)
[18:31] <MutantTurkey> SamuraiAlba: I'm all for the intel atom!
[18:32] <SamuraiAlba> Turkey, I got the mask of Dragith Nurn, all the statuettes, and have a combat level of 25 or 26 overall.  So far so good?
[19:59] <jedijf> pleia2: names mean a lot.....brand recognition...you re correct
[20:00] <jedijf> mutu has no value
[20:01] <word> jedijf: sorry we are trolling on #archlinux-offtopic by chanign our names to 4 letter chars
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> forgive me
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> sup lamalex
[20:39] <jedijf> jthan: noob in the nicest, chronological, sort of way, btw
[20:40] <pleia2> 10:17:01 < ChinnoDog> In effect, they have gone from a group of developers that want to write good software to 9-5 wage slaves
[20:41] <pleia2> I don't know how you *think* open source works, but I'd wager a majority of contributors are paid
[20:42] <ChinnoDog> I know they are paid, but what I mean is, they now need/value their paycheck so they follow the $, even if they didn't previously.
[20:42] <ChinnoDog> Since they presumably wrote the piece for its own sake in the first place.
[20:42] <pleia2> most of the open source people we work with are ones who are passionate about the movement, but I assure you a lot of the ones we don't interact with do it for the money
[20:43] <pleia2> bad presumption, again
[20:43] <ChinnoDog> So, they wrote it for the $ in the first place in the hopes someone would pay them to do it?
[20:43] <pleia2> no, the company hired programmers and put them on the open office project
[20:44] <jedijf> what are the 2 driving factors of humans.....ego and money.....applies to everything
[20:44] <jedijf> 3....ass
[20:44] <pleia2> sure there are community members who were hired too, and maybe they left when the project changed
[20:44] <ChinnoDog> ah, I see. So, it started as a company project and stays a company project, until someone else with resources and ambition forks it for their own purposes.
[20:45] <pleia2> no
[20:45] <ChinnoDog> ...
[20:46] <pleia2> in this instance oracle has the control over the project because they own the trademarks and things
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: what about the driving factor of fun?
[20:46] <pleia2> anyone can fork it, anyone can leave
[20:46] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: check that...prolly ego
[20:46] <jedijf> but i'll except that as #4
[20:47] <pleia2> it'll probably continue to be a company project even though "someone else with resources and ambition" forked it
[20:47] <pleia2> maybe the fork will even gather enough money to hire some of the developers out of oracle
[20:48] <ChinnoDog> oh. I didn't carry my thought far enough. I mean, it continues to be a company project until someone with resource and ambition forks it and it overtakes the old project in popularity and/or features to where the old one is obsolete.
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: didn't many of them leave their positions from oracle? and why would they want to hire a programmer? there is plenty of community contributions
[20:49] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: star office lingered on long after it had become obsolete :)
[20:49] <pleia2> it'll keep being a company project until oracle gives up on it
[20:49] <jedijf> pasug?
[20:49] <SamuraiAlba> Anyone for Runescape, later?
[20:49] <SamuraiAlba> I'm kind of bored...
[20:49] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: I don't know the statistics, but a majority of open office work has always been done by paid people (whether it was Sun or otherwise)
[20:49] <pleia2> community contributions only take it so far, Apache has paid devs, Ubuntu does, Red Hat does...
[20:49] <jedijf> SamuraiAlba: start a project...chinno willfund it
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> ha. I don't think pocket lint buys you much.
[20:50] <pleia2> I don't actually know of any major project without devs who are paid in some manner (whether their company giving them company time like google does, or directly paying to do the work)
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> SamuraiAlba: me
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> I'm doing some dev stuff for arch right now but maybe later
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: archlinux doesn't :) ubuntu and red hat are backed by companies
[20:51] <jedijf> i'll buy you a slice, next time
[20:52] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: you'd be surprised
[20:52] <SamuraiAlba> Mutu - Cool.  PM me later and we'll set a time
[20:52] <SamuraiAlba> gonna run to the store for my meds
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> SamuraiAlba: I'll try and finish this up.
[20:53] <jedijf> it benefits the company to give,for example, debian comp time. to use to promote for the company
[20:53] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: they might not be paid by the archlinux foundation (or whatever) but there are always small companies contributing to distros in small ways - paying an employee to package something, etc
[20:53] <jedijf> be seen as expert, outside the confines of the company
[20:53] <pleia2> and linux distros are a bad example anyway, you'd have nothing without all the paid kernel developers
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: yeah, for the company interest (i don't think we have a foundation either though)
[20:54] <pleia2> it's always in the company interest
[20:54] <pleia2> otherwise they wouldn't do it ;)
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: isn't ubuntu halariously low on the list of linux kernel commits? as compared to debian and redhat?
[20:54] <pleia2> that's how open source works
[20:54] <jedijf> haha, that's how /it/ works
[20:54] <pleia2> debian and redhat are considerably older than ubuntu ;)
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> of course of course
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> and the focus is different obviously
[20:55] <pleia2> and debian is upstream of ubuntu, most kernel stuff is done via debian rather than ubuntu itself
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> does ubuntu pull its packages from debian? or do they self package it?
[20:55] <jedijf> pleia2: like my ubuntu hours at client restaurants ;)
[20:55] <pleia2> it pulls most of its packages from debian
[20:55] <jedijf> coming soon
[20:55] <pleia2> jedijf: yay!
[20:55] <pleia2> anyway, back to work for me
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> yeah i've got to get back to working also
[20:56] <jedijf> all this company talk brought on some guilt
[20:56] <jedijf> not me
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> no guilt for me, day off.
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> as long as it snows, i'll have a 5 day weekend
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> had of today, then tomorrow will snow more, no class on fridays... :)
[21:02] <mikedep333> Hey philly guys, I heard an ad for this event January 28th to 30th
[21:02] <mikedep333>  http://www.vfconventioncenter.com/calendar.asp on radio 104.5
[21:02] <PennBot> Title: Valley Forge Convention Center: Calendar (at www.vfconventioncenter.com)
[21:02] <mikedep333> I believe they said a "major" online retailer is going out of business and they're liquidating
[21:03] <mikedep333> they claimed a lot of stuff is upto 80% off, such as netbooks for $99 IIRC
[21:03] <mikedep333> one thing that struck me in particular was "cell phones that work with any carrier"
[21:03] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: are you spamming? but holy crap lets go!
[21:03] <mikedep333> I presume they mean unlocked GSM cell phones that work with any GSM carrier (in 2G at least)
[21:03] <mikedep333> I don't know if this is legit or not
[21:04] <mikedep333> I think the ad said they open at 8 on Friday, not noon
[21:04] <mikedep333> I have a fairly flexible work schedule, and I love & work in KoP
[21:04] <MutantTurkey> where is the vf con center?
[21:04] <mikedep333> 1210 First Avenue,
[21:04] <mikedep333> King of Prussia, PA 19406
[21:04] <mikedep333> google link coming
[21:05] <mikedep333> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1210+First+Avenue,+King+of+Prussia,+PA+19406&aq=&sll=40.095118,-75.414459&sspn=0.009611,0.009538&g=1210+First+Avenue++King+of+Prussia,+PA+19406&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=1210+1st+Ave,+King+of+Prussia,+Montgomery,+Pennsylvania+19406&ll=40.091583,-75.415392&spn=0.019223,0.019076&t=h&z=16
[21:05] <PennBot> Title: 1210 First Avenue, King of Prussia, PA 19406 - Google Maps (at maps.google.com)
[21:05] <mikedep333> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=valley+forge+convention+center&aq=&sll=40.093044,-75.408547&sspn=0.019222,0.019076&ie=UTF8&hq=valley+forge+convention+center&hnear=&ll=40.093044,-75.411294&spn=0.019222,0.019076&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A
[21:05] <PennBot> Title: valley forge convention center - Google Maps (at maps.google.com)
[21:06] <mikedep333> I live like 2 miles away and work like 1 mile away
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> :o that is a long bus ride
[21:08] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> i'd have to go downtown then back out
[21:08] <mikedep333> if there's something you want for a price, I'll hold it for you
[21:08] <mikedep333> I know a lot about comp & electronics specs
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> if you see any atoms, beagleboards anything, just lemmie know
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> cause It's all weekend long, i can go up and see
[21:09] <mikedep333> Hopefully those netbooks they were referring to are not the everyday $99 ones with a 266mhz ARM9 CPU & windows CE 5
[21:09] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: yeah i was thinking that
[21:09] <mikedep333> but if the deals are really as good as they say, then the $99 (real intel atom) netbooks won't last long
[21:10] <mikedep333> they said other things too, I think LCD monitors for $60, MP4 players for $20
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> lcd monitors that is legit
[21:10] <mikedep333> I'm listening to radio 104.5
[21:10] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, yeah, but hopefully they're not just old 15" models or something
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: 15 inch models are still okay.
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> i have just gotten my first lcd last year
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> changed my life
[21:10] <mikedep333> I once bought an HP 20" 1600x900 for $77 after a major discount, new from HP.com
[21:10] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I have several
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: i have that one
[21:11] <MutantTurkey> Q2009
[21:11] <mikedep333> nice!
[21:11] <MutantTurkey> to bad its only VGA out :/
[21:11] <mikedep333> HP S2031A?
[21:11] <mikedep333> mine has VGA & DVI
[21:11] <MutantTurkey> oh sorry
[21:11] <MutantTurkey> lol mine is a COMPAQ with those specs
[21:12] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> i only have vga on mine, which sucks, and what double sucks is that i  have a crap card on my motherboard, and a mini-itx so i can't get a new card
[21:12] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:12] <mikedep333> VGA can look almost identical to VGA
[21:12] <mikedep333> *VGA can look almost identical to single link DVI
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> but blech
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> vga is so primitive
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> no to mention limiting, for newer computer that don't have VGA i would need a new monitor or different card
[21:13] <mikedep333> I've noticed that on my 27" IPS display doing 2048x1152 (it goes upto 1440p, 2560x1440 over DP or Dual-Link DVI)
[21:13] <MutantTurkey>  :o
[21:13] <mikedep333> no
[21:13] <mikedep333> get a $1 DVI to VGA adapter
[21:13] <mikedep333> I have tons of them
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> what is the max resolution able with a VGA?
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: oh nice
[21:14] <JonathanD> I prefer the $3 ones.
[21:14] <mikedep333> I think 2048x1152 for 16:9
[21:14] <JonathanD> Gold plated. The colors are warmer.
[21:14] <mikedep333> JonathanD, I get them free with graphics cards
[21:14] <mikedep333> and like 1920x1440 for 4:3
[21:14] <JonathanD> mikedep333: I think you missed the joke ;)
[21:14] <mikedep333> oh, lol
[21:14] <mikedep333> I'm no EE
[21:14] <mikedep333> but I know that gold plated cables/connectors are dirt cheap
[21:14] <JonathanD> mikedep333: reference to monstar cables.
[21:15] <JonathanD> *monster
[21:15] <mikedep333> oh, lol
[21:15] <JonathanD> monster cables have warmer bits!
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> monstar cables are shit
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> do NOT buy a monster dvi hdmi or whatevs cable
[21:15] <mikedep333> JonathanD, I get gold tipped (plated?) HDMI cables for $3 each, and I know people who get them for like $2 each
[21:15] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I know
[21:15] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: they're not that bad. I am told they are at least as good as coat hangers.
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> guys
[21:15] <JonathanD> http://consumerist.com/2008/03/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables.html
[21:15] <PennBot> Title: Do Coat Hangers Sound As Good Monster Cables? - The Consumerist (at consumerist.com)
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> hdmi and dvi are DIGITAL interfaces.
[21:16] <mikedep333> they're not that bad. Just like a block of gold isn't bad as a doorstop
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> there is no quality
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> you don't loose picture sharpness or anything ridiculous
[21:16] <mikedep333> JonathanD, one of my favorite articles since 2008
[21:17] <JonathanD> mikedep333: :O
[21:17] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, $2 HDMI cables can do a 1440P fine if the devices support it
[21:17] <JonathanD> thats a great idea for a product
[21:17] <JonathanD> Gold plated doorstops. Perhaps I can claim they make the doors warmer.
[21:17] <mikedep333> only except the block of gold is actually worth more than other doorstops
[21:17] <mikedep333> JonathanD, not gold plated. SOLID GOLD.
[21:18] <mikedep333> it isn't a bad door stop!
[21:18] <JonathanD> nope!
[21:18] <JonathanD> at least as good as coat hangers.
[21:18] <mikedep333> the only point of getting an HDMI cable with like $8 worth of shielding is if you are doing a distance like 50 feet or more
[21:19] <mikedep333> it's pure waste on a 3' to 12' cable
[21:19] <JonathanD> mikedep333: I run my HDMI through the microwave.
[21:19] <mikedep333> and a $2 HDMI cable with $8 worth of shielding should not sell for $100
[21:19] <mikedep333> JonathanD, nice little port in the window?
[21:20] <JonathanD> mikedep333: I realize now there is yet another joke to be had there about warmer audio.
[21:20] <mikedep333> ahh
[21:20] <mikedep333> but HDMI is audio + video + remote control info
[21:20] <mikedep333> you want warmer remote controlling!
[21:20] <JonathanD> I'll just put the whole system in the microwave, then.
[21:21] <mikedep333> actually
[21:21] <JonathanD> a gold plated microwave.
[21:21] <mikedep333> there's a youtube video about that
[21:21] <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rWyJXpezPs
[21:21] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - Is It A Good Idea To Microwave A PlayStation 3? (at www.youtube.com)
[21:21] <mikedep333> I think it got flagged as "inappropriate" by angry PS3 fans
[21:22] <JonathanD> what did they conclude?
[21:22] <JonathanD> I'm at work :)
[21:22] <mikedep333> I'll tell you 2 minutes from now
[21:22] <mikedep333> for now it's sparking & smoking
[21:23] <mikedep333> go to like 3:20 in the video
[21:23] <JonathanD> But will it blend?
[21:23] <mikedep333> FIRE!
[21:23] <mikedep333> flames!
[21:23] <mikedep333> JonathanD, I was thinking that exactly
[21:23] <mikedep333> I'm worried about the microwave getting too much pressure inside it
[21:23] <mikedep333> they opened the door
[21:24] <mikedep333> it's still on fire
[21:24] <mikedep333> their glove caught on fire after touching the flame
[21:24] <JonathanD> it would be cooler if it was on when they started.
[21:24] <mikedep333> actually
[21:24] <mikedep333> PCB has lots of dangerous chemicals in it, or at least older/non-RoHS compliant stuff does
[21:25] <mikedep333> or maybe it's some of the other components
[21:25] <mikedep333> whatever
[21:25] <mikedep333> JonathanD, would a download link help?
[21:25] <mikedep333> to the MP4 or whatever
[21:25] <mikedep333> your choice of 240p, 360p, 480p, 720p, & 1080p
[21:26] <JonathanD> mikedep333: I just opt not to watch videos, in general, here :)
[21:26] <mikedep333> sadly no 1440p for my display :(
[21:26] <mikedep333> JonathanD, ok, gotcha
[21:26] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: where do you work?
[21:26] <JonathanD> if for no other reason than I like the sound, and can't really play it with sound here.
[21:26] <mikedep333> Ive met people who hate videos being part of the web
[21:26] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: a small finance co.
[21:26] <mikedep333> because you can't quote them, grep them, etc
[21:27] <mikedep333> JonathanD, how ironic. my brother works for a BIG finance company
[21:28] <JonathanD> mikedep333: :)
[21:28] <JonathanD> I'm the only IT guy, I have access to services and sites others here don't, and I don't like to abuse that fact, basically.
[21:29] <mikedep333> JonathanD, being the only network admin at a small company is fun :)
[21:29] <mikedep333> what's even better is being a network admin at an (engineering) fraternity house
[21:29] <mikedep333> where pranks are part of the job description
[21:29] <mikedep333> well, volunteering description
[21:30] <mikedep333> sadly I was too busy to implement many pranks
[21:30] <JonathanD> :)
[21:30] <JonathanD> I've done a few here...
[21:30] <JonathanD> monitor inverting login scripts...
[21:30] <JonathanD> Had the door fixed on one room once.
[21:30] <JonathanD> It had never latched right, so people would just push their way through instead of turning the handle.
[21:31] <mikedep333> lol
[21:31] <JonathanD> until I had maint fix it on april 1.
[21:31] <JonathanD> now they have tape over the catch.
[21:31] <mikedep333> one time I set firefox's prefs.js to read-only permissions for the common "brothers" windows user account
[21:32] <mikedep333> you don't want to know what the prefs.js included :)
[21:32] <JonathanD> heh
[21:32] <mikedep333> now I recommended we do that at work to prevent our users/customers from shooting themselves in the foot
[21:32] <JonathanD> probably with different settings.
[21:32] <MutantTurkey> i don't have a job :[
[21:32] <JonathanD> Just a guess.
[21:32] <MutantTurkey> anyone hiring here?
[21:32] <mikedep333> yes, different settings
[21:33] <JonathanD> speaking of hiring...
[21:33] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, college degree? in college?
[21:33] <JonathanD> hows this for a side job
[21:33] <JonathanD> The recruitment people next door want me to take a few hours to go over technical resumes and technical positions they have.
[21:33] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: at community college
[21:33] <JonathanD> So they can better understand who fits what roles.
[21:34] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, BS degree? associates degree? what subject? how many credits under your belt?
[21:34] <mikedep333> I know my company recruited from Penn College
[21:34] <mikedep333> which is a technical school
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> its only my second semester :p
[21:34] <mikedep333> but I don't know if they'll recruit from a communite college
[21:34] <mikedep333> it's a LARGE company
[21:35] <mikedep333> yeah, our youngest interns are like 5th semester standing
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> oh :/
[21:35] <mikedep333> and they may have forced that upto 7th semester standing given the current business climate
[21:35] <mikedep333> that said
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> hopefully I will not be at montco for that long
[21:35] <mikedep333> I do have some other professional contacts
[21:36] <mikedep333> well, montco is a very good CC
[21:36] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: I could put you in with these guys, depending on the role. But they're stil recruiters.
[21:36] <JonathanD> which means... well. They're recruiters.
[21:36] <mikedep333> I have a friend who I believe still works for a finance company that relies heavily on their data center
[21:36] <mikedep333> my friend worked in the data center there
[21:36] <MutantTurkey> what does that mean ._.
[21:36] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, there are many HR people who expect people to have at least 10 years .net experience
[21:37] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: it means if you put "I made a chicken sandwich once" on your resume, they'll apply you for a job as head chef of a ritzy hotel.
[21:37] <JonathanD> (at least, thats my experience with recruiters)
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: nice, well i made a ham sandwich yesterday
[21:37] <mikedep333> or require 5 years .net experience, and don't know that 10 years of Java experience makes you plenty worthy
[21:37] <mikedep333> or even worse
[21:37] <JonathanD> mikedep333: oh, so you have 15 years experience in the kitchen, right?
[21:37] <mikedep333> 5 years of windows server 2008 experience :p
[21:37] <JonathanD> erm, MutantTurkey
[21:37] <JonathanD> sorry mikedep333 :P
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> I have zero work experience, no degree, am a full time student and am not even a compsci major. fml.
[21:37] <mikedep333> JonathanD, lol
[21:38] <JonathanD> Maybe these guys are better.
[21:38] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, if you are good at computers and you develop your own skills in your own time, you can be very qualified
[21:38] <JonathanD> I have to think if they're asking for an actual IT guy to look at technical resumes, they care a little more than that.
[21:38] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, you just need to talk to a Techie or manager who used to do technical work
[21:38] <JonathanD> this ^^
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> ah.
[21:38] <JonathanD> find the right person to talk to
[21:38] <JonathanD> is key.
[21:38] <JonathanD> Once you have an in...
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> yeah because the only things i've done are linux development and thats about it.
[21:39] <mikedep333> JonathanD, you may not be network admin, but IT departments need people to fix user PCs, setup a file server on the side, etc
[21:39] <JonathanD> mikedep333: mistab? :P
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> only C and C++, i avoid java and .net like the plague
[21:39] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: come speak at fosscon too ;)
[21:39] <mikedep333> JonathanD, yeah, it's just very important that you talk to someone that you can impress with your technical knowledge
[21:39] <JonathanD> then you can resume that.
[21:40] <mikedep333> the HR people may not know what ctrl+f does in firefox or IE. So it's important that you talk to a manager who knows the size of an int
[21:40] <MutantTurkey> what does control f do?
[21:40] <mikedep333> search through the page
[21:41] <MutantTurkey> sorry brainfart.
[21:41] <MutantTurkey> so used to /
[21:41] <JonathanD> :)
[21:41] <mikedep333> I've met office staff at my college that don't know how to search through a page in IE at all!
[21:41] <JonathanD> mikedep333: of course they don't...
[21:41] <MutantTurkey> i feel like i have lost my capacity use windows and fix problems with it because ive stopped using it altogether
[21:41] <mikedep333> JonathanD, because menus are scary
[21:41] <JonathanD> mikedep333: from the other day...
[21:42] <mikedep333> you should never ever try anything in a menu or you might break the computer
[21:42] <JonathanD> user IMs me...
 I can't login to application x
[21:42] <mikedep333> JonathanD, SSO?
 says in the logs you have the right username, wrong password. It's the same password as you use to login in the morning.
 not working. I think it's either XXXX or XXXXXX.
 please don't tell anyone your passwords, not even me. It looks like it has to be the password, but it's locked now. Let me unlock it and you can try again.
[21:43] <mikedep333> JonathanD, over an internet IM service? I hope the convo is encrypted wtih SSL or whatever
 OH OK IT'S WORKING NOW THANKS.
[21:43] <JonathanD> mikedep333: it's internal IM (and is encrypted)
[21:43] <JonathanD> AND it uses the same password, btw.
[21:43] <mikedep333> JonathanD, well, at least that's going
[21:43] <mikedep333> so what did the user do wrong?
[21:44] <JonathanD> mikedep333: whats special about her last line?
[21:44] <mikedep333> the user thought he/she used a different password for the app, but it was actually the same as the windows (or other OS) login?
[21:44] <JonathanD> DUM DEE DUM.
[21:44] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:45] <mikedep333> most users use the same password for EVERYTHING
[21:45] <JonathanD> mikedep333: her password was all caps.
[21:45] <JonathanD> well, all the alpha chars were caps anyway.
[21:45] <mikedep333> LOL
[21:45] <mikedep333> windows notifies you when you go to enter or create a password, and you have CAPS lock on
[21:45] <mikedep333> since XP I think
[21:45] <JonathanD> yeah, but (most) IM apps don't
[21:45] <mikedep333> applications, probably not
[21:45] <mikedep333> gotcha
[21:46] <JonathanD> well, this was a webpage actually.
[21:46] <JonathanD> but it was still SSO. Same password
[21:46] <JonathanD> Users are scary ;)
[21:47] <mikedep333> JonathanD, yeah
[21:48] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, take the example of my little fraternity brother
[21:48] <mikedep333> he had NO work experience
[21:48] <mikedep333> just some volunteering creating websites for his HS's electric car club
[21:48] <mikedep333> and stuff like that
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> i don't know about websites either ._.
[21:48] <mikedep333> and he was going to become 5th semester standing over the some
[21:49] <mikedep333> *over the summer
[21:49] <mikedep333> but I recommended him to my instructor who I had impressed and had received a job offer from
[21:49] <mikedep333> I gave him some interview tips
[21:49] <mikedep333> and my manager ended up extremely impressed and offered him a job
[21:49] <mikedep333> you know why?
[21:49] <MutantTurkey> honestly man, i have no webskills either :/
[21:50] <mikedep333> because he was a HUGE COMPUTER NERD
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> oh.
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> yeah thats me
[21:50] <mikedep333> he was great at programming and Linux/UNIX
[21:50] <mikedep333> he showed enthusiasm for computing in general
[21:50] <mikedep333> and he devoted so much of his free time to developing his skills
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> every time i come here i get a life skills speech >.>
[21:52] <mikedep333> if you can list technical skills like C & C++ and hold a professional conversation about them, ans answer "how would you solve this problem" with either a direct answer, a well-supported opinion, or at least some good brainstorming, then a nerdy IT manager will be impressed
[21:54] <mikedep333> you'll just need to message the IT manager/administrator directly. The HR person who does not know what version of windows on her computer will filter you out without a professional recommendation or contact w/ the IT manager/admin
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> okay
[21:54] <mikedep333> my little fraternity brother thought there was no chance of him getting this job
[21:54] <mikedep333> he wanted to go work at wal-mart over the summer
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> so idea's for places to contact
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> and is it a problem i am not 18 yet?
[21:55] <mikedep333> but since then I've helped him get a part time job/internship developing for an independent web developer/programmer who contracts out
[21:55] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, maybe
[21:55] <mikedep333> when do you turn 18?
[21:55] <mikedep333> in time for a summer internship?
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> no way
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> i turn 17 this summer
[21:57] <mikedep333> wait
[21:57] <mikedep333> so are you a HS student that takes classes at montco?
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> yes
[21:57] <mikedep333> or did you graduate from HS early?
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> all of my classes though
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> no, dual enrolled
[21:58] <mikedep333> hmm
[21:58] <mikedep333> I do know HS students that have gotten paid internships
[21:58] <mikedep333> I did a volunteer internship for my HS, http://lschs.org
[21:58] <PennBot> Title: La Salle College High School (at lschs.org)
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> volunteer means no money right?
[21:58] <mikedep333> I developed computer skills very rapidly.
[21:58] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, yes, but do you know why it looked great on a resume?
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> and about the credits and stuff, i think i am taking 13 this semster and i did like 15 last semester
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: yeah, i am without money though :p
[21:59] <mikedep333> because even though I worked 5 hours/week or so, I listed it as lasting 3 years
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> ah that is excellent
[21:59] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, yeah, so try to find a paid internship
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> how do i go about looking for this sort of stuff
[22:00] <mikedep333> well
[22:00] <MutantTurkey> and also are there like, uh certifications i can get really fast?
[22:00] <MutantTurkey> like take a test and have it?
[22:00] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, you may be able to come a paper MCSA
[22:00] <mikedep333> or a real one
[22:00] <mikedep333> but you can win over managers by simply impressing them during the interview
[22:00] <mikedep333> again, my little fraternity brother had no certifications
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> right
[22:01] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, given your school status, you'll almost definitely need to work for a small or medium sized business/organization
[22:01] <mikedep333> also
[22:02] <mikedep333> the fact that you are not studying a computer related major isn't necessarily bad to a small/medium sized company
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> right now i am liberal studdies
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> just trying to get credits out of the way for college
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> do all my general crap.
[22:03] <mikedep333> an executive at my company graduated college with a bachelor's in philosiphy. He got hired at a university doing IT work. It wasn't a high level IT job,  and the IT department was in a sad state, but he excelled.
[22:03] <mikedep333> again
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> right oh
[22:03] <mikedep333> your liberal studies disqualifies you from a big comapny
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> the trick is finding this job
[22:04] <mikedep333> one that says "our employees look good on paper"
[22:04] <mikedep333> but a small, or small-medium sized business IT manager/admin doesn't need that
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> right exactly
[22:04] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, do your friends & family who work somewhere regard you as a computer wiz?
[22:05] <mikedep333> however, that may depend on your ability to help them with their (windows) computers
[22:05] <MutantTurkey> everyone regards me as a computer wiz, but you can't land an IT job at wendies :/
[22:06] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: yeah i keep trying to convert them to linux.
[22:06] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, small or medium sized company
[22:06] <jedijf> cheese wiz...franconis
[22:06] <mikedep333> preferably friends who are in the working world full time
[22:06] <mikedep333> cheese wiz, the company?
[22:06] <jedijf> nm
[22:07] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: hahah yes, except they don't seem like they'd hire me, thats a very tightly knit family operation
[22:07] <mikedep333> oh, thought you were mutantturkey
[22:07] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, at one point I was offered part time work by a small computer company
[22:07] <mikedep333> I was in the middle of my HS internship, but still
[22:07] <MutantTurkey> there is a computer store in willow grove actually, but they wanted 40 hours a week :/
[22:08] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, yeah
[22:08] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: are you in philly?
[22:08] <mikedep333> my mom knew the store owner because it was a small town
[22:08] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: outside it.
[22:08] <mikedep333> and the store owner kind of had a crushed on her
[22:08] <JonathanD> how far?
[22:08] <PennBot> I guess how far is it, JonathanD
[22:08] <mikedep333> I went upto the manager and started discussing tech with him
[22:08] <JonathanD> thanks PennBot
[22:08] <mikedep333> and he offered me part time work
[22:08] <jedijf> JonathanD: around pacs
[22:08] <mikedep333> because he could tell that I knew alot and can solve problems/ fix computers
[22:09] <JonathanD> fairly far, then.
[22:09] <JonathanD> is pacs trainable to CC?
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> CC?
[22:09] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: want to help me wire up a place in center city?
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> there is willow grove train station
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> yessir when i'll do it.
[22:09] <JonathanD> I'm afraid the only payment is in pizza.
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> :/ franconis pizza?
[22:09] <JonathanD> But they need the help and you could get some experience :)
[22:10] <JonathanD> I'm not sure :)
[22:10] <JonathanD> All I know is I was promised pizza.
[22:10] <MutantTurkey> whens this gig at and where?
[22:10] <JonathanD> when is whenever I get the rest of the materials together for them, where is a place called basekamp.
[22:11] <MutantTurkey> alright
[22:11] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, one big benefit of doing IT work, even volunteering, is that when you impress people, technical or not, you accomplish the most important thing of all
[22:11] <mikedep333> NETWORKING
[22:11] <mikedep333> as in developing business contacts
[22:11] <MutantTurkey> well shoot me an email JonathanD when you get the stuff
[22:11] <MutantTurkey> I'll stop in and help out for sure
[22:11] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: sure thing.
[22:11] <jedijf> gonnegtions++
[22:11] <JonathanD> whats a gonnegtions?
[22:11] <JonathanD> That sounds painful.
[22:12] <JonathanD> Have you seen a doctor?
[22:12] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: oh yeah its right near 8th and market, i can definitely do that
[22:15] <mikedep333> brb
[22:23] <mikedep333> back
[22:28] <mikedep333> hey guys, I have a friend with budgety Dell mini 10v netbook. He likes to run not just Ubuntu, but debian unstable/testing, arch, BSD & others.
[22:29] <mikedep333> so its acheilles heel is the dell 1397 wireless card, a broadcom 4312 half-height mini-pcie 802.11g card
[22:29] <mikedep333> he has enough trouble with it in ubuntu. it's even worse and the other linux distros and unixes he runs
[22:29] <mikedep333> that slot is like the standard for wireless cards now adays
[22:30] <mikedep333> and I want to buy him a replacement for his birthday
[22:30] <mikedep333> I just bought myself a dell studio 14z laptop with the same damn card
[22:30] <mikedep333> so I am replacing it with this
[22:30] <mikedep333> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106061
[22:30] <PennBot> Title: Newegg.com - Intel 622AN.HMWWB Mini PCI Express 6200 Centrino Advanced-N Wireless Adapter Up to 300Mbps Wireless Data Rates 64128-Bit WEP, WPA, WPA2 (at www.newegg.com)
[22:31] <mikedep333> I would buy him that, but I'm pretty sure it won't have compatibility with his linux distros that don't bundle proprietary but redistributable firmware (like ubuntu does), distros without the most effort on hardware support, or BSD
[22:32] <mikedep333> so does anyone know a wireless card or chipset I should buy him instead?
[22:46] <ChinnoDog> Does that card work with ndiswraper?
[22:46] <ChinnoDog> wrapper
[22:47] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, which one?
[22:47] <ChinnoDog> The one you bought.
[22:47] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, not sure
[22:47] <mikedep333> doesn't matter to me
[22:47] <ChinnoDog> Even if it isn't supported natively, if it will work in ndiswrapper then he can probably get it working in the other distros.
[22:47] <mikedep333> I intend to use the open source driver
[22:48] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, often he uses older distros with neither the current intel driver nor a recent enough version of ndiswrapper
[22:49] <ChinnoDog> Then I guess you will have to see what they support. Old stuff. :-(
[22:49] <mikedep333> yeah
[22:50] <mikedep333> but I at least need to find a card for him w/ BSD drivers
[22:51] <mikedep333> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers
[22:51] <PennBot> Title: Comparison of open source wireless drivers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[22:51] <mikedep333> WOW
[22:52] <mikedep333> hmm
[22:52] <mikedep333> I might want to get him an atheros
[22:53] <jedijf> iirc the b43 or 44 whatever should work
[22:53] <mikedep333> jedijf, he has terrible trouble with the open source b43 driver
[22:54] <mikedep333> I think because his card is newer
[22:55] <jedijf> Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[22:55] <jedijf> this is in my acer netbook ^^
[22:56] <jedijf> ath5k module...it works
[22:56] <mikedep333> is ath5k only for 802.11g?
[22:57] <mikedep333> I think part of my friends problem was that he was using debian stable
[22:57] <mikedep333> released 2 years ago
[22:57] <mikedep333> currently I think he's on testing or unstable
[22:58] <mikedep333> I have to say. Debian's policy of "we do not publish release dates" really makes me appreciate ubuntu's release schedule
[22:59] <jedijf> follow pleia2 she publishes dates
[23:00] <mikedep333> jedijf, really?
[23:00] <mikedep333> is she a debian contributor?
[23:00] <jedijf> pleia2: whens the next deb hit?
[23:00] <pleia2> weekend of feb 5-6th
[23:00] <jedijf> better than staples...that was easy
[23:01] <jedijf> pleia2?
[23:01] <PennBot> Rumor has it pleia2 is never coming home or an intarwebz celebrity or a boozer or an old lady or OOOLLLDDDD or a l33t h4x0r d00d or a fat dude in a wifebeater that the real pleia2 pays to go on the internet for her or a pepperoni vegetarian, jedijf
[23:02] <jedijf> that covers it
[23:03] <mikedep333> wow, that was a short answer
[23:03] <mikedep333> no explanation
[23:03] <mikedep333> or source referenced
[23:03] <pleia2> picky picky
[23:03] <pleia2> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/01/msg00003.html
[23:03] <PennBot> Title: Release Update: timings, status and awesomeness (at lists.debian.org)
[23:04] <mikedep333> pleia2, thanks!
[23:04] <jedijf> doubter
[23:05] <mikedep333> http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze
[23:05] <PennBot> Title: NewInSqueeze - Debian Wiki (at wiki.debian.org)
[23:05] <mikedep333> release architectures for Squeeze: dropping arm,
[23:05] <mikedep333> wait
[23:05] <mikedep333> is that the old arm?
[23:05] <mikedep333> like before ARMEL?
[23:06] <mikedep333> yeah
[23:06] <mikedep333> armel lives on
[23:06] <mikedep333> and probably is prospering
[23:06] <mikedep333> http://www.debian.org/ports/
[23:06] <PennBot> Title: Debian -- Ports (at www.debian.org)
[23:07] <mikedep333> grub means grub2, grub-legacy still available
[23:07]  * mikedep333 hides
[23:09] <mikedep333> http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze shows lots of features added to ubuntu over the last 2, 2.5 years or so
[23:09] <PennBot> Title: NewInSqueeze - Debian Wiki (at wiki.debian.org)
[23:09] <mikedep333> the question is, who developed them? ubuntu or debian?
[23:10] <mikedep333> Debian Installer
[23:10] <mikedep333> : Graphical installer,
[23:10] <mikedep333> Selection in boot menu of alternative desktop environments
[23:10] <mikedep333> WHAT?
[23:10] <PennBot> SWINE FLU
[23:10] <mikedep333> a graphical installer for debian?
[23:11] <jedijf> same as ubu basically
[23:11] <jedijf> and make that basically almost exactly iirc
[23:11] <mikedep333> jedijf, is it ubiquity?
[23:11] <mikedep333> so it's a "desktop" live/install CD/DVD?
[23:12] <jedijf> depends i guess on what you pic
[23:12] <jedijf> pick
[23:12] <jedijf> netinstall
[23:12] <jedijf> the one disk thingy
[23:12] <jedijf> i guess they'll have a full blown desktop too
[23:13] <jedijf> it's been awhile
[23:13] <mikedep333> jedijf, I love netinstall. only used it on ubuntu
[23:13] <jedijf> but i do remember....hey deja vous ..i've seen this somewhere
[23:13] <jedijf> ugly shade of blue though, iirc
[23:14] <pleia2> mikedep333: as for debian contributions, not much anymore, I used to have a few packages, am down to one these days, mostly I just do bug reports now (we use all debian for our servers at work)
[23:15] <mikedep333> pleia2, gotcha
[23:15] <mikedep333> pleia2, 2 of my fraternity brothers run a webhosting company. I believe they all user debian servers.
[23:15] <pleia2> it's good for that :)
[23:15] <mikedep333> http://www.mandjwebservices.com/
[23:15] <PennBot> Title: M and J Web Services (at www.mandjwebservices.com)
[23:15] <mikedep333> yup