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brycehalrighty, time for a reboot.  bbiab00:13
RAOFbryceh: Sorry about the libdrm snafu.  It didn't occur to me that plymouth was installed in the buildds :(01:15
brycehSarvatt had it pretty much all squared away by the time I arrived on scene01:16
brycehlesson learned for me is to not upload right before heading to bed... wait 'til morning01:16
RAOF:)01:17
brycehon a better note, so far no reports of troubles from the mesa upgrade01:17
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brycehbtw x11proto-xext failed to build, which I'm poking at currently01:18
brycehlooks like just packaging stuff for missing docs needing updated01:18
RAOFOh, dear lord.  Nouveau, why do you need a *newer* libdrm *again* ?01:24
bjsniderwouldn't it be better to have each x driver use its own direct rendering manager?01:41
bjsniderlike the nvidia blob?01:41
theprepI need help configuring Compiz on a G5 with Radeon 9600, Terminal is saying multiple errors when checkng xorg 01:42
bjsnidera g5?01:43
theprepMac PPC G5 IMac01:43
theprepwas referred here by the Ubuntu PPC IRC01:44
bjsnideri thought those had already been retired01:44
theprepI have 10.10 running, just video issues01:44
theprepany suggestions on how to troublesoot?01:50
RAOFbjsnider: Perhaps if you had an extra 200 full-time developers to throw at each of the drivers.01:51
bjsniderRAOF, i'll hire them but they'll be paid with monopoly money01:54
RAOFtheprep: Generally, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, and whatever errors you get when running “compiz --replace” are the cost of entry into the troubleshooting club.01:55
theprepyes indeed. My first on the PPC platform01:55
theprepI've found some relevant topics, just how to input to get the issue resolved01:56
bjsnidertheprep, are you unsatisfied with osx?01:56
theprepfor 12 years, until i worked for Apple01:57
theprepI've always been a closet opensource fan. Apple is jaded me. 01:59
bjsniderwhat has apple done to jade you?01:59
theprepbecoming the new Microsoft, controlling everything. Paying me $11hr no commission when I sold $100K a week 02:01
bjsnideryou sold one hundred thousand a week?02:01
theprepit's a cult, and EVERYBODY wants in. use to be creative, niche art types. Now everybody HAS to have it and they have no clue why. yes, $100K 02:02
bjsnider"has to have it and no clue way" == marketing02:03
bjsnidermicrosoft would love to be as good at vendor lock-in as apple. they're just so incompetent that they can't ever be02:04
theprepdamn right, ruined a good thing, and infantiled new users02:04
theprepSo i am very pro opensource02:04
bjsniderbut on very old hardware02:04
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RAOFWoot.  One xserver-xorg-video-nouveau buildable against current Natty and 1.10.02:37
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brycehRAOF, when you're back on official time would be nice to address doko's complaint on the mailing list03:30
apwRAOF, Sarvatt, bryceh, i think one of you pointed me to a writable EDID patch, i seem to have lost the reference and worse google cannot find it... do you happen to recall it, still have it, remember this and i am not going mad?10:46
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Sarvattapw: just forwarded the mail to ya14:22
apwSarvatt, thanks that great14:23
Sarvatthttp://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.dri.devel/4628914:24
apwSarvatt, thanks a lot ... thats somewhat stealthed as a reply to another patch ... no wonder noone did 'owt with it14:24
* apw opens his window, yep that is tangerine i can hear howling14:27
tseliotSarvatt: are things ok with libdrm/mesa now? Do you still need someone to upload your packages?14:47
Sarvatttseliot: looks like plymouth was rebuilt so http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/libdrm-natty-3/ needs an upload, other than that there is http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/intel-natty/14:52
tseliotSarvatt: ok, I'll take care of them14:53
Sarvattthanks! just rebuilt and tested the intel again with current natty and its looking fine here, uploaded the build log14:55
tseliotah, very good. I'm trying to build libdrm here so as to see if my chroot is still screwed up14:57
tseliotit seems to be ok14:58
theprepMorning gentlemen. I am having some issues configuring 3D/Compiz on my iMac PPC G5. Any aboard have experience with ATI video cards?15:45
Sarvatttheprep: #radeon might be a better place to ask, there are a few devs in there who actually use the ATI/PPC combo15:54
bjsniderfglrx doesn't support that old card anymore15:54
theprepwhats the IRC?15:54
Sarvatttheprep: this server, #radeon15:54
theprepthank you15:54
SarvattI havent used my ibook with ati/ppc since karmic, things have changed a *lot* since then :( you may want to try disabling KMS as a first step though15:55
bjsnideri think the gallium driver for those old cards is working very well15:56
theprepI I followed some step on xorg, rebooted, ,y log in panel turned to just a black page, asking for login credentials, which it will not accept mine15:57
theprepI got this pingback on #radeon : Cannot send to channel: #radeon15:58
jcristauyou need to identify to nickserv15:58
theprepI did I thought, signed in as I did here15:58
theprepCan I safely delete in OSX yaboot and Ubuntu from Disk Utility manager?16:08
jcristauprobably not the best place to ask that question.16:08
theprepwhere might that be?16:10
tseliotSarvatt: libdrm hasn't been built for amd64 yet. In theory the build should start in 10 minutes. After that I think I can upload intel16:40
mfraz74i have just upgraded to KDE 4.6 on Kubuntu 10.10 and I'm getting the error:Xsession: unable to launch "" X session --- "" not found; falling back to default session.16:57
brycehhuh, interesting that cairo is now considered part of the Intel graphics package http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q4.html19:02
ilmariI guess it has lots of intel people working on it?19:26
brycehilmari, at least one ;-)19:27
ilmarithe linked release announcement was posted by ickle, at least19:27
jcristauhe was working on cairo before he was intel.19:28
Amaranthbryceh: ppa-purge fell over when I tried to remove xorg-edgers19:35
AmaranthI believe due to the nouveau change19:35
brycehAmaranth, argh, that sucks19:35
AmaranthI only remember the xchat-gnome bug happening with edgers though, I downgraded once before for mipmap issues and that bug went away too19:36
brycehAmaranth, can you pastebin the error spew?19:36
Amaranthbryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558678/19:37
brycehthanks19:37
AmaranthIt goes on suggest either removing all GL support or not downgrading most things19:37
brycehhmm, maybe try removing libdrm-nouveau1a first before downgrading?19:38
brycehSarvatt, ^^ ideas?19:38
Sarvattit's the breaks19:39
Amaranthbryceh: I don't have libdrm-nouveau1a, I have libdrm-nouveau119:39
AmaranthIf I try to remove that it installs the 1a version but also removes all GL/GLES support19:40
Sarvattguess i'll have to backport the plymouth change to lucid-natty and start doing libdrm-nouveau1a on all those too and rebuild everything19:40
Sarvattnevermind the fact edgers libdrm-nouveau1a isn't compatible with natty libdrm-nouveau1a anyway, such a pain in the butt19:41
AmaranthI suppose I can let it remove all this stuff then put it back19:41
brycehSarvatt, what's the way to work around it manually?  just rm it all and then install the gl bits again?19:41
brycehSarvatt, maybe just document that on the xorg-edgers page until you get some spare cycles to do that?19:42
Sarvatthuh19:42
Sarvatt  libdrm-nouveau1a: Breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 but 2.4.22-2ubuntu1 is to be installed.19:42
Sarvattmight be xserver-xorg-video-nouveau which hasn't been updated to libdrm-nouveau1a yet in the archive19:47
Sarvattyeah, uploading the libdrm with breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 is causing it19:47
Sarvattit was just replacing libdrm-nouveau1 before and both were installed so nouveau deps were satisfied19:48
Sarvatti thought RAOF uploaded that last night, crap19:48
SarvattAmaranth: remove xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and it should work for now19:49
Sarvattand just reinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in a few hours19:50
Sarvattfrom the logs RAOF got a nouveau ready but its not in git, he should be on soon though19:51
Sarvattwhat the heck is going on with keyboard-configuration.. I get like 4 identical keyboard setup prompts just about every dist-upgrade and it still doesn't use the values I pick19:55
brycehSarvatt, I've made some further changes to the -intel package (changelog entries for -2ubuntu[2,3], patch 107, drop 'linux-any' qualifier for libudev-dev so it pbuilds for me, add python-dev recommends for the apport py script19:55
Sarvattbryceh: your pbuilder doesn't work with linux-any? I thought that got fixed in october or november19:56
brycehSarvatt, I can still list the overall change as coming from you if you're ok with these changes19:56
Sarvattbryceh: ohh thanks for doing that, I missed that more intels got uploaded that weren't in git19:56
brycehyeah I hadn't realized we were maintaining -intel in git (or had forgotten)19:56
brycehI'm mystified by the linux-any issue.  But my pbuilder was ignoring libudev-dev and failing because it was missing19:57
Sarvatthttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=60082319:58
ubot4Debian bug 600823 in pbuilder "[pbuilder] Doesnt support "any" wildcards in debian/control" [Important,Open]19:58
brycehhah19:58
BUGabundo_noXevening19:58
BUGabundo_noXneed tips on how to recover X in natty19:59
BUGabundo_noXnvidia with nouvea19:59
BUGabundo_noXAFAIK i havent removed any packages19:59
AmaranthSarvatt: Nope, after removing -nouveau ppa-purge still ends up wanting to remove my GL stuff20:04
AmaranthI'll just remove and reinstall20:04
bryceh[ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu1 (Accepted)20:07
BUGabundo_noXit would seem even PPA isnt upgrading clearly 20:14
Amaranthok, got everything put back together, time to reboot and see what happens20:18
BUGabundo_noXAmaranth: ahah20:21
BUGabundo_noXi'm in the same situation 20:21
BUGabundo_noXbrb20:21
Amaranthbryceh: My memory was correct :)20:23
AmaranthNo issues with xchat-gnome and 2.13.90120:23
brycehAmaranth, excellent thanks20:36
Amaranthneat, a crash in libdricore21:35
Amaranthoh, my bad21:41
RAOF Good morning all.21:42
brycehmorning RAOF21:53
RAOFI don't seem to have broken the world again overnight? :/21:55
brycehonly a little21:56
brycehSarvatt was mentioning that your new nouveau package is needed to solve some breakage21:57
RAOFTo keep xserver-xorg-video-all installable?21:58
brycehRAOF, he mentioned you'd done a package but hadn't yet gotten it into git?22:01
RAOFI got as far as checking that it built before I was called away.22:02
RAOFI'm now testing that it actually *runs*, then I'll push to git.22:03
brycehanyway, no major emergencies.  Some folks having trouble downgrading out of xorg-edgers due to the nouveau abi change, not sure that's been figured out22:03
Sarvattits keeping libdrm-nouveau1 installed which the latest libdrm breaks, and nouveau isn't working until it goes in.22:03
Sarvatt woohoo thanks RAOF!22:03
brycehok fixed x11proto-xext uploaded22:03
RAOFSarvatt: I've also documented how to update nouveau in README.source :)22:03
RAOFBah.  Sometimes I hate my router.22:10
RAOFGive me a damned DHCP lease!22:10
bryceh[ubuntu/natty] x11proto-xext 7.1.99.0~git20110111.9df8b776-0ubuntu222:11
bryceh        (Accepted)22:11
brycehhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Roadmap/Natty looking good22:13
brycehRAOF, yesterday did you mention some other bits needing uploaded?22:13
RAOFSynaptics, wacom.22:14
RAOFSynaptics needed a bit of patch-surgery to get the quirking re-applied, and I need to unmunge the git history before pushing it.22:14
brycehRAOF, got .dscs or are they in git?22:14
RAOFOh, hey! You uploaded wacom on Tuesday :)22:15
RAOFSo, synaptics.  No, I need to clean it up before the packaging's done.22:16
brycehalrighty, ping me when it's ready.22:16
brycehmeanwhile I'll tackle a couple xkeyboard-config sru's22:16
brycehactually... meh don't feel like that.  Will work on release notes instead.  Mmm22:17
RAOFExcellent.  nouveau not only builds, but it also actually works.22:19
bjsniderAmaranth, isn't xchat-gnome the one that hasn't worked in years?22:30
Amaranthbjsnider: Eh? It works great for me22:30
AmaranthI don't think it has been updated in a few years though22:30
bjsnideror is it the other one? i don't even know which one i'm using right now22:30
AmaranthI've been tempted to put some work in to it, it has poor tab handling and the little icon it shows when someone joins/parts is annoying22:31
AmaranthI actually patched the tab handling from regular xchat in to it at some point but it was a big hack22:31
bjsniderhave you used the other one?22:32
AmaranthRegular xchat? It's full of stuff I don't need, works a little differently, and doesn't really integrate with the desktop22:33
RAOFbryceh: nouveau now ready on http://cooperteam.net/Packages22:36
brycehRAOF, got it22:47
bryceh[ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau23:07
bryceh        1:0.0.16+git20110107+b795ca6e-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)23:07

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