| bryceh | alrighty, time for a reboot. bbiab | 00:13 |
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| RAOF | bryceh: Sorry about the libdrm snafu. It didn't occur to me that plymouth was installed in the buildds :( | 01:15 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt had it pretty much all squared away by the time I arrived on scene | 01:16 |
| bryceh | lesson learned for me is to not upload right before heading to bed... wait 'til morning | 01:16 |
| RAOF | :) | 01:17 |
| bryceh | on a better note, so far no reports of troubles from the mesa upgrade | 01:17 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| bryceh | btw x11proto-xext failed to build, which I'm poking at currently | 01:18 |
| bryceh | looks like just packaging stuff for missing docs needing updated | 01:18 |
| RAOF | Oh, dear lord. Nouveau, why do you need a *newer* libdrm *again* ? | 01:24 |
| bjsnider | wouldn't it be better to have each x driver use its own direct rendering manager? | 01:41 |
| bjsnider | like the nvidia blob? | 01:41 |
| theprep | I need help configuring Compiz on a G5 with Radeon 9600, Terminal is saying multiple errors when checkng xorg | 01:42 |
| bjsnider | a g5? | 01:43 |
| theprep | Mac PPC G5 IMac | 01:43 |
| theprep | was referred here by the Ubuntu PPC IRC | 01:44 |
| bjsnider | i thought those had already been retired | 01:44 |
| theprep | I have 10.10 running, just video issues | 01:44 |
| theprep | any suggestions on how to troublesoot? | 01:50 |
| RAOF | bjsnider: Perhaps if you had an extra 200 full-time developers to throw at each of the drivers. | 01:51 |
| bjsnider | RAOF, i'll hire them but they'll be paid with monopoly money | 01:54 |
| RAOF | theprep: Generally, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, and whatever errors you get when running “compiz --replace” are the cost of entry into the troubleshooting club. | 01:55 |
| theprep | yes indeed. My first on the PPC platform | 01:55 |
| theprep | I've found some relevant topics, just how to input to get the issue resolved | 01:56 |
| bjsnider | theprep, are you unsatisfied with osx? | 01:56 |
| theprep | for 12 years, until i worked for Apple | 01:57 |
| theprep | I've always been a closet opensource fan. Apple is jaded me. | 01:59 |
| bjsnider | what has apple done to jade you? | 01:59 |
| theprep | becoming the new Microsoft, controlling everything. Paying me $11hr no commission when I sold $100K a week | 02:01 |
| bjsnider | you sold one hundred thousand a week? | 02:01 |
| theprep | it's a cult, and EVERYBODY wants in. use to be creative, niche art types. Now everybody HAS to have it and they have no clue why. yes, $100K | 02:02 |
| bjsnider | "has to have it and no clue way" == marketing | 02:03 |
| bjsnider | microsoft would love to be as good at vendor lock-in as apple. they're just so incompetent that they can't ever be | 02:04 |
| theprep | damn right, ruined a good thing, and infantiled new users | 02:04 |
| theprep | So i am very pro opensource | 02:04 |
| bjsnider | but on very old hardware | 02:04 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| RAOF | Woot. One xserver-xorg-video-nouveau buildable against current Natty and 1.10. | 02:37 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| bryceh | RAOF, when you're back on official time would be nice to address doko's complaint on the mailing list | 03:30 |
| apw | RAOF, Sarvatt, bryceh, i think one of you pointed me to a writable EDID patch, i seem to have lost the reference and worse google cannot find it... do you happen to recall it, still have it, remember this and i am not going mad? | 10:46 |
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| Sarvatt | apw: just forwarded the mail to ya | 14:22 |
| apw | Sarvatt, thanks that great | 14:23 |
| Sarvatt | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.dri.devel/46289 | 14:24 |
| apw | Sarvatt, thanks a lot ... thats somewhat stealthed as a reply to another patch ... no wonder noone did 'owt with it | 14:24 |
| * apw opens his window, yep that is tangerine i can hear howling | 14:27 | |
| tseliot | Sarvatt: are things ok with libdrm/mesa now? Do you still need someone to upload your packages? | 14:47 |
| Sarvatt | tseliot: looks like plymouth was rebuilt so http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/libdrm-natty-3/ needs an upload, other than that there is http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/intel-natty/ | 14:52 |
| tseliot | Sarvatt: ok, I'll take care of them | 14:53 |
| Sarvatt | thanks! just rebuilt and tested the intel again with current natty and its looking fine here, uploaded the build log | 14:55 |
| tseliot | ah, very good. I'm trying to build libdrm here so as to see if my chroot is still screwed up | 14:57 |
| tseliot | it seems to be ok | 14:58 |
| theprep | Morning gentlemen. I am having some issues configuring 3D/Compiz on my iMac PPC G5. Any aboard have experience with ATI video cards? | 15:45 |
| Sarvatt | theprep: #radeon might be a better place to ask, there are a few devs in there who actually use the ATI/PPC combo | 15:54 |
| bjsnider | fglrx doesn't support that old card anymore | 15:54 |
| theprep | whats the IRC? | 15:54 |
| Sarvatt | theprep: this server, #radeon | 15:54 |
| theprep | thank you | 15:54 |
| Sarvatt | I havent used my ibook with ati/ppc since karmic, things have changed a *lot* since then :( you may want to try disabling KMS as a first step though | 15:55 |
| bjsnider | i think the gallium driver for those old cards is working very well | 15:56 |
| theprep | I I followed some step on xorg, rebooted, ,y log in panel turned to just a black page, asking for login credentials, which it will not accept mine | 15:57 |
| theprep | I got this pingback on #radeon : Cannot send to channel: #radeon | 15:58 |
| jcristau | you need to identify to nickserv | 15:58 |
| theprep | I did I thought, signed in as I did here | 15:58 |
| theprep | Can I safely delete in OSX yaboot and Ubuntu from Disk Utility manager? | 16:08 |
| jcristau | probably not the best place to ask that question. | 16:08 |
| theprep | where might that be? | 16:10 |
| tseliot | Sarvatt: libdrm hasn't been built for amd64 yet. In theory the build should start in 10 minutes. After that I think I can upload intel | 16:40 |
| mfraz74 | i have just upgraded to KDE 4.6 on Kubuntu 10.10 and I'm getting the error:Xsession: unable to launch "" X session --- "" not found; falling back to default session. | 16:57 |
| bryceh | huh, interesting that cairo is now considered part of the Intel graphics package http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q4.html | 19:02 |
| ilmari | I guess it has lots of intel people working on it? | 19:26 |
| bryceh | ilmari, at least one ;-) | 19:27 |
| ilmari | the linked release announcement was posted by ickle, at least | 19:27 |
| jcristau | he was working on cairo before he was intel. | 19:28 |
| Amaranth | bryceh: ppa-purge fell over when I tried to remove xorg-edgers | 19:35 |
| Amaranth | I believe due to the nouveau change | 19:35 |
| bryceh | Amaranth, argh, that sucks | 19:35 |
| Amaranth | I only remember the xchat-gnome bug happening with edgers though, I downgraded once before for mipmap issues and that bug went away too | 19:36 |
| bryceh | Amaranth, can you pastebin the error spew? | 19:36 |
| Amaranth | bryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558678/ | 19:37 |
| bryceh | thanks | 19:37 |
| Amaranth | It goes on suggest either removing all GL support or not downgrading most things | 19:37 |
| bryceh | hmm, maybe try removing libdrm-nouveau1a first before downgrading? | 19:38 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, ^^ ideas? | 19:38 |
| Sarvatt | it's the breaks | 19:39 |
| Amaranth | bryceh: I don't have libdrm-nouveau1a, I have libdrm-nouveau1 | 19:39 |
| Amaranth | If I try to remove that it installs the 1a version but also removes all GL/GLES support | 19:40 |
| Sarvatt | guess i'll have to backport the plymouth change to lucid-natty and start doing libdrm-nouveau1a on all those too and rebuild everything | 19:40 |
| Sarvatt | nevermind the fact edgers libdrm-nouveau1a isn't compatible with natty libdrm-nouveau1a anyway, such a pain in the butt | 19:41 |
| Amaranth | I suppose I can let it remove all this stuff then put it back | 19:41 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, what's the way to work around it manually? just rm it all and then install the gl bits again? | 19:41 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, maybe just document that on the xorg-edgers page until you get some spare cycles to do that? | 19:42 |
| Sarvatt | huh | 19:42 |
| Sarvatt | libdrm-nouveau1a: Breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 but 2.4.22-2ubuntu1 is to be installed. | 19:42 |
| Sarvatt | might be xserver-xorg-video-nouveau which hasn't been updated to libdrm-nouveau1a yet in the archive | 19:47 |
| Sarvatt | yeah, uploading the libdrm with breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 is causing it | 19:47 |
| Sarvatt | it was just replacing libdrm-nouveau1 before and both were installed so nouveau deps were satisfied | 19:48 |
| Sarvatt | i thought RAOF uploaded that last night, crap | 19:48 |
| Sarvatt | Amaranth: remove xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and it should work for now | 19:49 |
| Sarvatt | and just reinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in a few hours | 19:50 |
| Sarvatt | from the logs RAOF got a nouveau ready but its not in git, he should be on soon though | 19:51 |
| Sarvatt | what the heck is going on with keyboard-configuration.. I get like 4 identical keyboard setup prompts just about every dist-upgrade and it still doesn't use the values I pick | 19:55 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, I've made some further changes to the -intel package (changelog entries for -2ubuntu[2,3], patch 107, drop 'linux-any' qualifier for libudev-dev so it pbuilds for me, add python-dev recommends for the apport py script | 19:55 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: your pbuilder doesn't work with linux-any? I thought that got fixed in october or november | 19:56 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, I can still list the overall change as coming from you if you're ok with these changes | 19:56 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: ohh thanks for doing that, I missed that more intels got uploaded that weren't in git | 19:56 |
| bryceh | yeah I hadn't realized we were maintaining -intel in git (or had forgotten) | 19:56 |
| bryceh | I'm mystified by the linux-any issue. But my pbuilder was ignoring libudev-dev and failing because it was missing | 19:57 |
| Sarvatt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600823 | 19:58 |
| ubot4 | Debian bug 600823 in pbuilder "[pbuilder] Doesnt support "any" wildcards in debian/control" [Important,Open] | 19:58 |
| bryceh | hah | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo_noX | evening | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo_noX | need tips on how to recover X in natty | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo_noX | nvidia with nouvea | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo_noX | AFAIK i havent removed any packages | 19:59 |
| Amaranth | Sarvatt: Nope, after removing -nouveau ppa-purge still ends up wanting to remove my GL stuff | 20:04 |
| Amaranth | I'll just remove and reinstall | 20:04 |
| bryceh | [ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu1 (Accepted) | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo_noX | it would seem even PPA isnt upgrading clearly | 20:14 |
| Amaranth | ok, got everything put back together, time to reboot and see what happens | 20:18 |
| BUGabundo_noX | Amaranth: ahah | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo_noX | i'm in the same situation | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo_noX | brb | 20:21 |
| Amaranth | bryceh: My memory was correct :) | 20:23 |
| Amaranth | No issues with xchat-gnome and 2.13.901 | 20:23 |
| bryceh | Amaranth, excellent thanks | 20:36 |
| Amaranth | neat, a crash in libdricore | 21:35 |
| Amaranth | oh, my bad | 21:41 |
| RAOF | Good morning all. | 21:42 |
| bryceh | morning RAOF | 21:53 |
| RAOF | I don't seem to have broken the world again overnight? :/ | 21:55 |
| bryceh | only a little | 21:56 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt was mentioning that your new nouveau package is needed to solve some breakage | 21:57 |
| RAOF | To keep xserver-xorg-video-all installable? | 21:58 |
| bryceh | RAOF, he mentioned you'd done a package but hadn't yet gotten it into git? | 22:01 |
| RAOF | I got as far as checking that it built before I was called away. | 22:02 |
| RAOF | I'm now testing that it actually *runs*, then I'll push to git. | 22:03 |
| bryceh | anyway, no major emergencies. Some folks having trouble downgrading out of xorg-edgers due to the nouveau abi change, not sure that's been figured out | 22:03 |
| Sarvatt | its keeping libdrm-nouveau1 installed which the latest libdrm breaks, and nouveau isn't working until it goes in. | 22:03 |
| Sarvatt | woohoo thanks RAOF! | 22:03 |
| bryceh | ok fixed x11proto-xext uploaded | 22:03 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: I've also documented how to update nouveau in README.source :) | 22:03 |
| RAOF | Bah. Sometimes I hate my router. | 22:10 |
| RAOF | Give me a damned DHCP lease! | 22:10 |
| bryceh | [ubuntu/natty] x11proto-xext 7.1.99.0~git20110111.9df8b776-0ubuntu2 | 22:11 |
| bryceh | (Accepted) | 22:11 |
| bryceh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Roadmap/Natty looking good | 22:13 |
| bryceh | RAOF, yesterday did you mention some other bits needing uploaded? | 22:13 |
| RAOF | Synaptics, wacom. | 22:14 |
| RAOF | Synaptics needed a bit of patch-surgery to get the quirking re-applied, and I need to unmunge the git history before pushing it. | 22:14 |
| bryceh | RAOF, got .dscs or are they in git? | 22:14 |
| RAOF | Oh, hey! You uploaded wacom on Tuesday :) | 22:15 |
| RAOF | So, synaptics. No, I need to clean it up before the packaging's done. | 22:16 |
| bryceh | alrighty, ping me when it's ready. | 22:16 |
| bryceh | meanwhile I'll tackle a couple xkeyboard-config sru's | 22:16 |
| bryceh | actually... meh don't feel like that. Will work on release notes instead. Mmm | 22:17 |
| RAOF | Excellent. nouveau not only builds, but it also actually works. | 22:19 |
| bjsnider | Amaranth, isn't xchat-gnome the one that hasn't worked in years? | 22:30 |
| Amaranth | bjsnider: Eh? It works great for me | 22:30 |
| Amaranth | I don't think it has been updated in a few years though | 22:30 |
| bjsnider | or is it the other one? i don't even know which one i'm using right now | 22:30 |
| Amaranth | I've been tempted to put some work in to it, it has poor tab handling and the little icon it shows when someone joins/parts is annoying | 22:31 |
| Amaranth | I actually patched the tab handling from regular xchat in to it at some point but it was a big hack | 22:31 |
| bjsnider | have you used the other one? | 22:32 |
| Amaranth | Regular xchat? It's full of stuff I don't need, works a little differently, and doesn't really integrate with the desktop | 22:33 |
| RAOF | bryceh: nouveau now ready on http://cooperteam.net/Packages | 22:36 |
| bryceh | RAOF, got it | 22:47 |
| bryceh | [ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau | 23:07 |
| bryceh | 1:0.0.16+git20110107+b795ca6e-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) | 23:07 |
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