[00:13] <bryceh> alrighty, time for a reboot.  bbiab
[01:15] <RAOF> bryceh: Sorry about the libdrm snafu.  It didn't occur to me that plymouth was installed in the buildds :(
[01:16] <bryceh> Sarvatt had it pretty much all squared away by the time I arrived on scene
[01:16] <bryceh> lesson learned for me is to not upload right before heading to bed... wait 'til morning
[01:17] <RAOF> :)
[01:17] <bryceh> on a better note, so far no reports of troubles from the mesa upgrade
[01:18] <bryceh> btw x11proto-xext failed to build, which I'm poking at currently
[01:18] <bryceh> looks like just packaging stuff for missing docs needing updated
[01:24] <RAOF> Oh, dear lord.  Nouveau, why do you need a *newer* libdrm *again* ?
[01:41] <bjsnider> wouldn't it be better to have each x driver use its own direct rendering manager?
[01:41] <bjsnider> like the nvidia blob?
[01:42] <theprep> I need help configuring Compiz on a G5 with Radeon 9600, Terminal is saying multiple errors when checkng xorg 
[01:43] <bjsnider> a g5?
[01:43] <theprep> Mac PPC G5 IMac
[01:44] <theprep> was referred here by the Ubuntu PPC IRC
[01:44] <bjsnider> i thought those had already been retired
[01:44] <theprep> I have 10.10 running, just video issues
[01:50] <theprep> any suggestions on how to troublesoot?
[01:51] <RAOF> bjsnider: Perhaps if you had an extra 200 full-time developers to throw at each of the drivers.
[01:54] <bjsnider> RAOF, i'll hire them but they'll be paid with monopoly money
[01:55] <RAOF> theprep: Generally, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, and whatever errors you get when running “compiz --replace” are the cost of entry into the troubleshooting club.
[01:55] <theprep> yes indeed. My first on the PPC platform
[01:56] <theprep> I've found some relevant topics, just how to input to get the issue resolved
[01:56] <bjsnider> theprep, are you unsatisfied with osx?
[01:57] <theprep> for 12 years, until i worked for Apple
[01:59] <theprep> I've always been a closet opensource fan. Apple is jaded me. 
[01:59] <bjsnider> what has apple done to jade you?
[02:01] <theprep> becoming the new Microsoft, controlling everything. Paying me $11hr no commission when I sold $100K a week 
[02:01] <bjsnider> you sold one hundred thousand a week?
[02:02] <theprep> it's a cult, and EVERYBODY wants in. use to be creative, niche art types. Now everybody HAS to have it and they have no clue why. yes, $100K 
[02:03] <bjsnider> "has to have it and no clue way" == marketing
[02:04] <bjsnider> microsoft would love to be as good at vendor lock-in as apple. they're just so incompetent that they can't ever be
[02:04] <theprep> damn right, ruined a good thing, and infantiled new users
[02:04] <theprep> So i am very pro opensource
[02:04] <bjsnider> but on very old hardware
[02:37] <RAOF> Woot.  One xserver-xorg-video-nouveau buildable against current Natty and 1.10.
[03:30] <bryceh> RAOF, when you're back on official time would be nice to address doko's complaint on the mailing list
[10:46] <apw> RAOF, Sarvatt, bryceh, i think one of you pointed me to a writable EDID patch, i seem to have lost the reference and worse google cannot find it... do you happen to recall it, still have it, remember this and i am not going mad?
[14:22] <Sarvatt> apw: just forwarded the mail to ya
[14:23] <apw> Sarvatt, thanks that great
[14:24] <Sarvatt> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.dri.devel/46289
[14:24] <apw> Sarvatt, thanks a lot ... thats somewhat stealthed as a reply to another patch ... no wonder noone did 'owt with it
[14:27]  * apw opens his window, yep that is tangerine i can hear howling
[14:47] <tseliot> Sarvatt: are things ok with libdrm/mesa now? Do you still need someone to upload your packages?
[14:52] <Sarvatt> tseliot: looks like plymouth was rebuilt so http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/libdrm-natty-3/ needs an upload, other than that there is http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/intel-natty/
[14:53] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ok, I'll take care of them
[14:55] <Sarvatt> thanks! just rebuilt and tested the intel again with current natty and its looking fine here, uploaded the build log
[14:57] <tseliot> ah, very good. I'm trying to build libdrm here so as to see if my chroot is still screwed up
[14:58] <tseliot> it seems to be ok
[15:45] <theprep> Morning gentlemen. I am having some issues configuring 3D/Compiz on my iMac PPC G5. Any aboard have experience with ATI video cards?
[15:54] <Sarvatt> theprep: #radeon might be a better place to ask, there are a few devs in there who actually use the ATI/PPC combo
[15:54] <bjsnider> fglrx doesn't support that old card anymore
[15:54] <theprep> whats the IRC?
[15:54] <Sarvatt> theprep: this server, #radeon
[15:54] <theprep> thank you
[15:55] <Sarvatt> I havent used my ibook with ati/ppc since karmic, things have changed a *lot* since then :( you may want to try disabling KMS as a first step though
[15:56] <bjsnider> i think the gallium driver for those old cards is working very well
[15:57] <theprep> I I followed some step on xorg, rebooted, ,y log in panel turned to just a black page, asking for login credentials, which it will not accept mine
[15:58] <theprep> I got this pingback on #radeon : Cannot send to channel: #radeon
[15:58] <jcristau> you need to identify to nickserv
[15:58] <theprep> I did I thought, signed in as I did here
[16:08] <theprep> Can I safely delete in OSX yaboot and Ubuntu from Disk Utility manager?
[16:08] <jcristau> probably not the best place to ask that question.
[16:10] <theprep> where might that be?
[16:40] <tseliot> Sarvatt: libdrm hasn't been built for amd64 yet. In theory the build should start in 10 minutes. After that I think I can upload intel
[16:57] <mfraz74> i have just upgraded to KDE 4.6 on Kubuntu 10.10 and I'm getting the error:Xsession: unable to launch "" X session --- "" not found; falling back to default session.
[19:02] <bryceh> huh, interesting that cairo is now considered part of the Intel graphics package http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q4.html
[19:26] <ilmari> I guess it has lots of intel people working on it?
[19:27] <bryceh> ilmari, at least one ;-)
[19:27] <ilmari> the linked release announcement was posted by ickle, at least
[19:28] <jcristau> he was working on cairo before he was intel.
[19:35] <Amaranth> bryceh: ppa-purge fell over when I tried to remove xorg-edgers
[19:35] <Amaranth> I believe due to the nouveau change
[19:35] <bryceh> Amaranth, argh, that sucks
[19:36] <Amaranth> I only remember the xchat-gnome bug happening with edgers though, I downgraded once before for mipmap issues and that bug went away too
[19:36] <bryceh> Amaranth, can you pastebin the error spew?
[19:37] <Amaranth> bryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558678/
[19:37] <bryceh> thanks
[19:37] <Amaranth> It goes on suggest either removing all GL support or not downgrading most things
[19:38] <bryceh> hmm, maybe try removing libdrm-nouveau1a first before downgrading?
[19:38] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ^^ ideas?
[19:39] <Sarvatt> it's the breaks
[19:39] <Amaranth> bryceh: I don't have libdrm-nouveau1a, I have libdrm-nouveau1
[19:40] <Amaranth> If I try to remove that it installs the 1a version but also removes all GL/GLES support
[19:40] <Sarvatt> guess i'll have to backport the plymouth change to lucid-natty and start doing libdrm-nouveau1a on all those too and rebuild everything
[19:41] <Sarvatt> nevermind the fact edgers libdrm-nouveau1a isn't compatible with natty libdrm-nouveau1a anyway, such a pain in the butt
[19:41] <Amaranth> I suppose I can let it remove all this stuff then put it back
[19:41] <bryceh> Sarvatt, what's the way to work around it manually?  just rm it all and then install the gl bits again?
[19:42] <bryceh> Sarvatt, maybe just document that on the xorg-edgers page until you get some spare cycles to do that?
[19:42] <Sarvatt> huh
[19:42] <Sarvatt>   libdrm-nouveau1a: Breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 but 2.4.22-2ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[19:47] <Sarvatt> might be xserver-xorg-video-nouveau which hasn't been updated to libdrm-nouveau1a yet in the archive
[19:47] <Sarvatt> yeah, uploading the libdrm with breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 is causing it
[19:48] <Sarvatt> it was just replacing libdrm-nouveau1 before and both were installed so nouveau deps were satisfied
[19:48] <Sarvatt> i thought RAOF uploaded that last night, crap
[19:49] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: remove xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and it should work for now
[19:50] <Sarvatt> and just reinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in a few hours
[19:51] <Sarvatt> from the logs RAOF got a nouveau ready but its not in git, he should be on soon though
[19:55] <Sarvatt> what the heck is going on with keyboard-configuration.. I get like 4 identical keyboard setup prompts just about every dist-upgrade and it still doesn't use the values I pick
[19:55] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I've made some further changes to the -intel package (changelog entries for -2ubuntu[2,3], patch 107, drop 'linux-any' qualifier for libudev-dev so it pbuilds for me, add python-dev recommends for the apport py script
[19:56] <Sarvatt> bryceh: your pbuilder doesn't work with linux-any? I thought that got fixed in october or november
[19:56] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I can still list the overall change as coming from you if you're ok with these changes
[19:56] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ohh thanks for doing that, I missed that more intels got uploaded that weren't in git
[19:56] <bryceh> yeah I hadn't realized we were maintaining -intel in git (or had forgotten)
[19:57] <bryceh> I'm mystified by the linux-any issue.  But my pbuilder was ignoring libudev-dev and failing because it was missing
[19:58] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600823
[19:58] <ubot4> Debian bug 600823 in pbuilder "[pbuilder] Doesnt support "any" wildcards in debian/control" [Important,Open]
[19:58] <bryceh> hah
[19:58] <BUGabundo_noX> evening
[19:59] <BUGabundo_noX> need tips on how to recover X in natty
[19:59] <BUGabundo_noX> nvidia with nouvea
[19:59] <BUGabundo_noX> AFAIK i havent removed any packages
[20:04] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: Nope, after removing -nouveau ppa-purge still ends up wanting to remove my GL stuff
[20:04] <Amaranth> I'll just remove and reinstall
[20:07] <bryceh> [ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[20:14] <BUGabundo_noX> it would seem even PPA isnt upgrading clearly 
[20:18] <Amaranth> ok, got everything put back together, time to reboot and see what happens
[20:21] <BUGabundo_noX> Amaranth: ahah
[20:21] <BUGabundo_noX> i'm in the same situation 
[20:21] <BUGabundo_noX> brb
[20:23] <Amaranth> bryceh: My memory was correct :)
[20:23] <Amaranth> No issues with xchat-gnome and 2.13.901
[20:36] <bryceh> Amaranth, excellent thanks
[21:35] <Amaranth> neat, a crash in libdricore
[21:41] <Amaranth> oh, my bad
[21:42] <RAOF>  Good morning all.
[21:53] <bryceh> morning RAOF
[21:55] <RAOF> I don't seem to have broken the world again overnight? :/
[21:56] <bryceh> only a little
[21:57] <bryceh> Sarvatt was mentioning that your new nouveau package is needed to solve some breakage
[21:58] <RAOF> To keep xserver-xorg-video-all installable?
[22:01] <bryceh> RAOF, he mentioned you'd done a package but hadn't yet gotten it into git?
[22:02] <RAOF> I got as far as checking that it built before I was called away.
[22:03] <RAOF> I'm now testing that it actually *runs*, then I'll push to git.
[22:03] <bryceh> anyway, no major emergencies.  Some folks having trouble downgrading out of xorg-edgers due to the nouveau abi change, not sure that's been figured out
[22:03] <Sarvatt> its keeping libdrm-nouveau1 installed which the latest libdrm breaks, and nouveau isn't working until it goes in.
[22:03] <Sarvatt>  woohoo thanks RAOF!
[22:03] <bryceh> ok fixed x11proto-xext uploaded
[22:03] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I've also documented how to update nouveau in README.source :)
[22:10] <RAOF> Bah.  Sometimes I hate my router.
[22:10] <RAOF> Give me a damned DHCP lease!
[22:11] <bryceh> [ubuntu/natty] x11proto-xext 7.1.99.0~git20110111.9df8b776-0ubuntu2
[22:11] <bryceh>         (Accepted)
[22:13] <bryceh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Roadmap/Natty looking good
[22:13] <bryceh> RAOF, yesterday did you mention some other bits needing uploaded?
[22:14] <RAOF> Synaptics, wacom.
[22:14] <RAOF> Synaptics needed a bit of patch-surgery to get the quirking re-applied, and I need to unmunge the git history before pushing it.
[22:14] <bryceh> RAOF, got .dscs or are they in git?
[22:15] <RAOF> Oh, hey! You uploaded wacom on Tuesday :)
[22:16] <RAOF> So, synaptics.  No, I need to clean it up before the packaging's done.
[22:16] <bryceh> alrighty, ping me when it's ready.
[22:16] <bryceh> meanwhile I'll tackle a couple xkeyboard-config sru's
[22:17] <bryceh> actually... meh don't feel like that.  Will work on release notes instead.  Mmm
[22:19] <RAOF> Excellent.  nouveau not only builds, but it also actually works.
[22:30] <bjsnider> Amaranth, isn't xchat-gnome the one that hasn't worked in years?
[22:30] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Eh? It works great for me
[22:30] <Amaranth> I don't think it has been updated in a few years though
[22:30] <bjsnider> or is it the other one? i don't even know which one i'm using right now
[22:31] <Amaranth> I've been tempted to put some work in to it, it has poor tab handling and the little icon it shows when someone joins/parts is annoying
[22:31] <Amaranth> I actually patched the tab handling from regular xchat in to it at some point but it was a big hack
[22:32] <bjsnider> have you used the other one?
[22:33] <Amaranth> Regular xchat? It's full of stuff I don't need, works a little differently, and doesn't really integrate with the desktop
[22:36] <RAOF> bryceh: nouveau now ready on http://cooperteam.net/Packages
[22:47] <bryceh> RAOF, got it
[23:07] <bryceh> [ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[23:07] <bryceh>         1:0.0.16+git20110107+b795ca6e-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)