[07:04] morning superfly . Hows you and family [07:04] we been having lotsa power cuts with the rain the last few days [07:05] Maaz, coffee on [07:05] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:05] morning everyone else too also as well [07:09] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [07:09] Maaz, baie dankie [07:09] Plesier Kilos [07:16] hey Kilos, all is good this side [07:17] great [07:36] superfly: tell somaunn netstat [07:37] linuxboy: ok, if I'm around :-P [07:37] bah [07:37] Maaz: tell somaunn netstat [07:37] linuxboy: Got it, I'll tell somaunn on freenode [07:54] good morning [08:07] lo inetpro [08:07] hoe gaan dit oompie [08:09] inetpro: hello [08:13] hey guys does this mean that only root got control of the floppy [08:13] miles@P4:~$ ls -l /dev/fd0 [08:13] brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 2, 0 2011-01-26 09:46 /dev/fd0 [08:14] hi walterl deegee_ [08:15] hi Kilos ... [08:26] hi Kilos [08:36] Kilos: that means that if you want to access it, you need to be part of the "floppy" group [08:37] i did sudo chown -R miles:miles /media/fp0 [08:37] now it is open to miles [08:37] no, you must not do that [08:37] eish [08:37] do not fiddle with files in /dev [08:37] you will mess your computer up [08:38] ok [08:38] whew [08:39] spent a coupla days looking at the bug fixes and can mount the floppy with sudo udisks --mount /dev/fd0 [08:40] but see nothing on it [08:40] Kilos: that means that if you want to access it, you need to be part of the "floppy" group [08:40] the floppy icon in places does nothing [08:41] oh and how do i become part of that group [08:41] but we will need a ubuntu guys help [08:41] on the command line "sudo adduser miles floppy" [08:41] i dont know if kubuntu also battles with floppies [08:42] ok will do that ty [08:43] now i done it. it says miles is already a user fo floppy [08:43] thats because of the chown [08:44] Kilos: WAYTTD [08:44] ? [08:45] can i chown it back to root [08:46] should i [08:50] don't worry superfly you are much too busy and i just wanted to get some books off floppies to sore on here [08:50] still have time ty === smorar__ is now known as smorar === smorar is now known as smorar_ [16:42] Maaz: tell nuvolari goeie goeie verjaarsdag! Happy Happy all around hey! [16:42] drubin: Got it, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode [16:45] drubin: "gelukkige" AFAIK is the correct Afrikaans [16:46] or "veels geluk met jou verjaarsdag" [16:47] superfly: Dankie. [16:47] * drubin tried [16:48] my Afrikaans is rusty, thanks to disuse [16:54] disuse? [16:55] yeah, dis-use, I don't use it much [16:56] I read it as "disuse" like something arb [17:55] good evening [17:55] drubin: ping [17:55] hi inetpro [17:55] hi Kilos [18:01] inetpro: pong [18:02] drubin: how's you doing today? [18:02] inetpro: good good and you? [18:03] had a very busy day but am doing ok [18:03] Good. [18:03] drubin: I was just thinking of posting something to the guy who asked about access [18:03] but then decided against it [18:03] sorry to bother [18:04] inetpro: Post it... it can't heart [18:04] hurt& [18:04] drubin: eish, no [18:04] I think marcog's post was ok [18:05] don't want to waste my time [18:06] inetpro: no harm more knowledgable people telling them they're being ignorant not looking at real alternatives :) [18:07] * inetpro gets very worked up about anything in access [18:07] hehe [18:07] and so you should be [18:07] so do i [18:08] marcog: I like the following: "its very nature encourages users to create "little" applications which become "not so little applications". Then the user leaves and I have to support..." [18:08] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/221995/ms-access-front-end-alternative [18:09] for the sake of others not on the mailing list ^^ [18:09] inetpro: i'm not so sure that matters in the context of teaching [18:09] marcog: you will be surprised [18:10] how many people go away from IT and use access in the real world? [18:10] inetpro: perhaps [18:10] there are a many of these crappy access "solutions" out there [18:11] and the worst of all is that many of them still believe they know something about computers [18:12] :/ [18:12] if they have done this "massive" thing on access [18:12] i think that's worth adding on the list [18:12] i don't think teachers would really be aware of what happens after school [18:12] and what is required [18:12] marcog: honestly, I'll rather stay out of it [18:13] fair enough [18:35] marcog: perhaps it's just the mood that I'm in after a rough day, so better to stay out of it :-) [18:36] inetpro: np, i've had similar feelings about that list at times [18:36] I hate meetings, and I just had one to many today and another grueling one tomorrow [18:37] :/ [18:38] me needs to learn when not to post things [18:39] drubin: it's not worth it most of the time [18:40] but must post .... [18:41] drubin: it's a catch 22 [18:41] I think my biggest problem is trying to stay awake till at least 10 [18:44] well I really wish that I could educate the (some) educators about technology but I have come to realise that it's just about an impossible task [18:45] well only because people's willingness to learn has just stoped [18:45] and there's just not enough time in a day [18:45] inetpro: i disagree, i've had great experiences with a handful of them [18:46] marcog: he mentioned "some" [18:46] and for those cases, the impact it has on all their learners is worth it for me [18:46] marcog: I'm speaking for myself [18:46] inetpro: at one point I was doing 18 -20 hour days [18:46] it helps but unsustainable [18:47] drubin: just saying it's not impossible [18:47] marcog: it is impossible to get through to "some people" [18:47] ie some spesifc people [18:47] Maaz: spell spesific [18:47] drubin: Suggestions: specific [18:48] :-) [18:48] ye that one thanks Maaz [18:48] drubin: yes some, sure [18:48] like the ones who chose delphi :( [18:49] eish [18:49] marcog: even suggested oo don't say it Java over delphi [19:01] as much as I love Delphi, it's not really suited to teaching programming concepts [20:24] night all. sleep tight [22:00] fp [22:00] sp === smorar_ is now known as smorar === smorar is now known as smorar_ === smorar_ is now known as smorar