[07:04] <Kilos> morning superfly . Hows you and family 
[07:04] <Kilos> we been having lotsa power cuts with the rain the last few days
[07:05] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:05]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:05] <Kilos> morning everyone else too also as well
[07:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:09] <Kilos> Maaz, baie dankie
[07:09] <Maaz> Plesier Kilos
[07:16] <superfly> hey Kilos, all is good this side
[07:17] <Kilos> great 
[07:36] <linuxboy> superfly: tell somaunn netstat 
[07:37] <superfly> linuxboy: ok, if I'm around :-P
[07:37] <linuxboy> bah
[07:37] <linuxboy> Maaz: tell somaunn netstat
[07:37] <Maaz> linuxboy: Got it, I'll tell somaunn on freenode
[07:54] <inetpro> good morning
[08:07] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[08:07] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit oompie
[08:09] <deegee_> inetpro: hello
[08:13] <Kilos> hey guys does this mean that only root got control of the floppy
[08:13] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ ls -l /dev/fd0
[08:13] <Kilos> brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 2, 0 2011-01-26 09:46 /dev/fd0
[08:14] <Kilos> hi walterl deegee_ 
[08:15] <deegee_> hi Kilos ...
[08:26] <walterl> hi Kilos
[08:36] <superfly> Kilos: that means that if you want to access it, you need to be part of the "floppy" group
[08:37] <Kilos> i did sudo chown -R miles:miles /media/fp0
[08:37] <Kilos> now it is open to miles
[08:37] <superfly> no, you must not do that
[08:37] <Kilos> eish 
[08:37] <superfly> do not fiddle with files in /dev
[08:37] <superfly> you will mess your computer up
[08:38] <Kilos> ok
[08:38] <Kilos> whew
[08:39] <Kilos> spent a coupla days looking at the bug fixes and can mount the floppy with sudo udisks --mount /dev/fd0
[08:40] <Kilos> but see nothing on it
 Kilos: that means that if you want to access it, you need to be part of the "floppy" group
[08:40] <Kilos> the floppy icon in places does nothing
[08:41] <Kilos> oh and how do i become part of that group
[08:41] <Kilos> but we will need a ubuntu guys help 
[08:41] <superfly> on the command line "sudo adduser miles floppy" 
[08:41] <Kilos> i dont know if kubuntu also battles with floppies
[08:42] <Kilos> ok will do that ty
[08:43] <Kilos> now i done it. it says miles is already a user fo floppy
[08:43] <Kilos> thats because of the chown
[08:44] <superfly> Kilos: WAYTTD
[08:44] <Kilos> ?
[08:45] <Kilos> can i chown it back to root
[08:46] <Kilos> should i
[08:50] <Kilos> don't worry superfly you are much too busy and i just wanted to get some books off floppies to sore on here
[08:50] <Kilos> still have time ty
[16:42] <drubin> Maaz: tell nuvolari goeie goeie verjaarsdag! Happy Happy all around hey!
[16:42] <Maaz> drubin: Got it, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode
[16:45] <superfly> drubin: "gelukkige" AFAIK is the correct Afrikaans
[16:46] <superfly> or "veels geluk met jou verjaarsdag"
[16:47] <drubin> superfly: Dankie.
[16:47]  * drubin tried
[16:48] <superfly> my Afrikaans is rusty, thanks to disuse
[16:54] <drubin> disuse? 
[16:55] <superfly> yeah, dis-use, I don't use it much
[16:56] <drubin> I read it as "disuse" like something arb
[17:55] <inetpro> good evening
[17:55] <inetpro> drubin: ping
[17:55] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:55] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[18:01] <drubin> inetpro: pong
[18:02] <inetpro> drubin: how's you doing today?
[18:02] <drubin> inetpro: good good and you?
[18:03] <inetpro> had a very busy day but am doing ok
[18:03] <drubin> Good.
[18:03] <inetpro> drubin: I was just thinking of posting something to the guy who asked about access 
[18:03] <inetpro> but then decided against it
[18:03] <inetpro> sorry to bother
[18:04] <drubin> inetpro: Post it... it can't heart
[18:04] <drubin> hurt&
[18:04] <inetpro> drubin: eish, no
[18:04] <inetpro> I think marcog's post was ok
[18:05] <inetpro> don't want to waste my time
[18:06] <marcog> inetpro: no harm more knowledgable people telling them they're being ignorant not looking at real alternatives :)
[18:07]  * inetpro gets very worked up about anything in access
[18:07] <drubin> hehe
[18:07] <drubin> and so you should be
[18:07] <marcog> so do i
[18:08] <inetpro> marcog: I like the following: "its very nature encourages users to create "little" applications which become "not so little applications". Then the user leaves and I have to support..."
[18:08] <inetpro> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/221995/ms-access-front-end-alternative
[18:09] <inetpro> for the sake of others not on the mailing list ^^
[18:09] <marcog> inetpro: i'm not so sure that matters in the context of teaching
[18:09] <inetpro> marcog: you will be surprised
[18:10] <marcog> how many people go away from IT and use access in the real world?
[18:10] <marcog> inetpro: perhaps
[18:10] <inetpro> there are a many of these crappy access "solutions" out there
[18:11] <inetpro> and the worst of all is that many of them still believe they know something about computers
[18:12] <marcog> :/
[18:12] <inetpro> if they have done this "massive" thing on access
[18:12] <marcog> i think that's worth adding on the list
[18:12] <marcog> i don't think teachers would really be aware of what happens after school
[18:12] <marcog> and what is required
[18:12] <inetpro> marcog: honestly, I'll rather stay out of it
[18:13] <marcog> fair enough
[18:35] <inetpro> marcog: perhaps it's just the mood that I'm in after a rough day, so better to stay out of it :-)
[18:36] <marcog> inetpro: np, i've had similar feelings about that list at times
[18:36] <inetpro> I hate meetings, and I just had one to many today and another grueling one tomorrow
[18:37] <marcog> :/
[18:38] <drubin> me needs to learn when not to post things
[18:39] <inetpro> drubin: it's not worth it most of the time
[18:40] <drubin> but must post ....
[18:41] <inetpro> drubin: it's a catch 22
[18:41] <drubin> I think my biggest problem is trying to stay awake till at least 10
[18:44] <inetpro> well I really wish that I could educate the (some) educators about technology but I have come to realise that it's just about an impossible task
[18:45] <drubin> well only because people's willingness to learn has just stoped
[18:45] <inetpro> and there's just not enough time in a day
[18:45] <marcog> inetpro: i disagree, i've had great experiences with a handful of them
[18:46] <drubin> marcog: he mentioned "some"
[18:46] <marcog> and for those cases, the impact it has on all their learners is worth it for me
[18:46] <inetpro> marcog: I'm speaking for myself
[18:46] <drubin> inetpro: at one point I was doing 18 -20 hour days
[18:46] <drubin> it helps but unsustainable
[18:47] <marcog> drubin: just saying it's not impossible
[18:47] <drubin> marcog: it is impossible to get through to "some people"
[18:47] <drubin> ie some spesifc people
[18:47] <drubin> Maaz: spell spesific
[18:47] <Maaz> drubin: Suggestions: specific
[18:48] <inetpro> :-)
[18:48] <drubin> ye that one thanks Maaz 
[18:48] <marcog> drubin: yes some, sure
[18:48] <marcog> like the ones who chose delphi :(
[18:49] <inetpro> eish
[18:49] <drubin> marcog: even suggested oo don't say it Java over delphi
[19:01] <superfly> as much as I love Delphi, it's not really suited to teaching programming concepts
[20:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:00] <inetpro> fp
[22:00] <froztbyte> sp