[01:19] <plumstead21> holstein: I'd better be off, thanks for your help
[01:19] <holstein> d'oh
[01:19] <holstein> i got busy and forgot about 'em
[02:19] <Wiesshund> Hey guys, is there a better video editing package than Kino?
[02:19] <holstein> Wiesshund: there are diffrent ones arguably better ones im sure
[02:21] <Wiesshund> holstein is there anything that will work with mutiple video tracks at the same time?
[02:21] <holstein> hmmm
[02:21] <holstein> i thought kino could
[02:21] <holstein> not sure
[02:21] <holstein> im not a video guy
[02:21] <Wiesshund> maybe i didnt explain that well
[02:21] <holstein> should be up on the sites though
[02:21] <Wiesshund> erm ok think ardour but video
[02:22] <holstein> right
[02:22] <holstein> i assumed that was kind of a basic function
[02:23] <Wiesshund> hmm, so far, kino is working kind of like er say moviemaker?
[02:23] <ScottL> Wiesshund, openshot or blender can edit video
[02:23] <ScottL> Wiesshund, dvdstyler can author dvds
[02:23] <Wiesshund> making it real hard to do soemthing where i need to keep mulple video streams in sync
[02:24] <Wiesshund> ScottL Blender can? oh hell i thought it only did its own 3d animation stuff
[02:25] <ScottL> Wiesshund, hold on a minute, i have a pretty good tutorial for it
[02:25] <ScottL> Wiesshund, http://www.straightedgelinux.com/videoBlender/
[02:25] <Wiesshund> that would be cool. i made a vid today and in kino it was hell trying to keep things synced
[02:26] <ScottL> Wiesshund, the beauty of blender is that you can also do compositing like green stuff or alpha over
[02:26] <ScottL> Wiesshund, hold on, i'll find another tutorail for that
[02:26] <holstein> ScottL: is that what you used?
[02:27] <ScottL> holstein, yes, i used blender for my green screen video, really it was just a proof-of-concept
[02:27] <ScottL> Wiesshund, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9831
[02:27] <Wiesshund> hmm, im going to have to give that a try
[02:27] <ScottL> Wiesshund, this is a quick video i made with blender http://vimeo.com/14034958
[02:28] <ScottL> it was as proof of concept for green screen
[02:28] <Wiesshund> im trying really hard not to poke in the windows HD just to run adobe premier
[02:28] <ScottL> i video taped myself in my music room recording a made up rhythm then taped another of myself doing lead in front of green screen
[02:29] <ScottL> then i green screened my second self and composited them together, scaling the 2nd me abit and moving it over to fit better
[02:30] <Wiesshund> hehe i just noticed your kids head appear
[02:30] <ScottL> yeah, it looked like i was looking at myself until you see my son appear :P
[02:32] <Wiesshund> definately good sync between the 2 video tracks
[02:33] <Wiesshund> i did this in kino but sync wise i think it came out really bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gki1Ps1uBOc
[02:34] <ScottL> openshot is pretty good for editing video and supports a lot of video formats for input as well
[02:34] <Wiesshund> i couldnt find for the life of me how to run 4 or 5 tracks in it simultaneously and puch transitions in so i would up cutting alot of clips and stonging them together :(
[02:34] <ScottL> but i have to say that blender supports almost all formats and can export to almost any format
[02:34] <Wiesshund> wound up*
[02:34] <ScottL> yeah, i'm not sure on kino either
[02:35] <ScottL> pitivi is not too bad either for straight editing video, i don't think it even comes with transitions really
[02:35] <ScottL> not that transitions are really that important for most video, at least not many transitions
[02:35] <Wiesshund> yea what i got out of it was its a good relacement for the windows moviemaker variety of software (Kino)
[02:36] <ScottL> Wiesshund, this is also a good tutorial for some aspects for blender:  http://monochrome.sutic.nu/2010/06/14/video-editing-with-blender.html
[02:36] <ScottL> this will show you, among other high brow stuff, how to use ffmpeg to generate the right video format for youtube, vimeo, etc
[02:37] <Wiesshund> Yea i only wanted pretty much just direct punch transitions, not fades etc. Heh it's funny cause ive been learning a little 3d stuff with blender
[02:37] <ScottL> i've edit video with blender but never, never played with the 3d stuff...kinda funny i suppose
[02:38] <ScottL> if you plan on using the h264 coded you might also look at:  http://monochrome.sutic.nu/2010/06/16/blender-h264.html
[02:39] <Wiesshund> i didnt know blender did other totaly separate things heh. feel dumb now
[02:42] <Wiesshund> think im going to redo my vid giving blender a try
[02:42] <Wiesshund> it definately cant come out any worse sync wise
[02:47] <ScottL> lol, good luck
[02:49] <ScottL> funny, i just found this and it's recent:  http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/openmovieeditor-and-blender-more-nle-delights
[03:07] <Wiesshund> cool
[16:41] <flupke> hello, anyone has a guide for mixxx + jack + m-audio fast track pro ? I see only one stereo output in jack (seems like the FTP exposes itself as 2 stereo output devices, and I can only choose one in qjackctl)
[16:42] <gordonjcp> flupke: so it's two separate stereo-only devices?
[16:42] <gordonjcp> maybe you could use alsa_out to get the other pair
[16:43] <flupke> gordonjcp: yes, with alsa I can use both devices
[16:43] <flupke> but I need jack to do some routing
[16:43] <gordonjcp> then, use alsa_out to get the other output
[16:44] <flupke> gordonjcp: can't jack use 2 devices ?
[16:44] <frederickjh> You mean connect to two devices at once?
[16:44] <frederickjh> Yes
[16:44] <gordonjcp> no, and it doesn't work particularly well if you try to use an input and an output on two different cards
[16:45] <frederickjh> do you have a screen shot you can post somewhere?  www.tinypic.com
[16:45] <flupke> frederickjh: sure just a sec
[16:48] <flupke> frederickjh: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=rr5ert&s=7
[16:48] <frederickjh> ok
[16:49] <flupke> frederickjh: hw:1,0 and hw:1,1 are the FTP two stereo out
[16:49] <flupke> if I could configure jack to use them both, mixxx could use both too
[16:50] <frederickjh> So you want to output to both at the same time?
[16:50] <flupke> frederickjh: yes
[16:51] <flupke> frederickjh: in jack there would be 4 outputs instead of two
[16:51] <flupke> playback_1 to 4
[16:51] <flupke> (that's for being able to have one main output + one headphones output)
[16:53] <frederickjh> What is the name of the card you are missing?
[16:55] <flupke> frederickjh: I don't miss one (they are shown as "USB Audio" and "USB Audio #1" in qjackctl on the screenshot), but I'm looking for a way to select both for output in jack
[16:56] <frederickjh> try opening a terminal and running this
[16:56] <frederickjh> alsa_in -jUSBAudio1 -dhw:1
[16:56] <frederickjh> see if the ins show up in jack control
[16:58] <flupke> frederickjh: aaah brilliant, I found a thread explaining alsa_out
[16:58] <flupke> frederickjh: alsa_out -j second -d hw:1,1 , now I see both devices in jack :) many thanks
[16:58] <frederickjh> Add the command in the after server start in Jack Control to start it on server start up.
[16:58] <frederickjh> Actually flupke suggested it.
[16:59] <frederickjh> 05:42:57 PM) gordonjcp: maybe you could use alsa_out to get the other pair
[16:59] <flupke> doh ! I missed this line -_-
[16:59] <frederickjh> Sorry, got my names mixed up
[16:59] <frederickjh> it was gordonjcp
[17:00] <frederickjh> Actually you answered it.
[17:00] <flupke> sorry guys it could have been solved instantly if I could read better :)
[17:00] <frederickjh> Maybe you had never heard of alsa_out.
[17:00] <flupke> thanks frederickjh and gordonjcp
[17:00] <frederickjh> No problem.
[17:14] <flupke> I have a nice jack startup script setting up PA and the second device, maybe there's a wiki somewhere to share it ?