[00:26] <magicianlord> is 11.04 stable enough now
[00:26] <KM0201> lol, NO
[00:26] <rww> magicianlord: no, it's a mess
[00:26] <rww> a fun mess, but still, it's about as stable as I am.
[00:28] <Angryfurby> hey guys i have having issues trying to host multiple websites with ubuntu 10.04 can anyone offer some help
[00:34] <magicianlord> wow
[00:35] <magicianlord> so you'd recommend installing debian 6 rc 2 instead
[00:37] <charlie-tca> Angryfurby: this is support for the development version only.
[00:37] <charlie-tca> Try either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[00:38] <Angryfurby> thxs
[00:38] <magicianlord> what's the primary difference between debian 6 now and ubuntu
[00:38] <charlie-tca> magicianlord: since the development version of Ubuntu is not stable, recommend installing Ubuntu 10.01
[00:39] <magicianlord> is 11.04 more stable or anything
[00:39] <charlie-tca> sorry, 10.10
[00:39] <charlie-tca> there is no 11.04 yet
[00:40] <magicianlord> charlie-tca: i have 10.04 installed on here
[00:40] <charlie-tca> Is it not doing what you want?
[00:45] <rww> magicianlord: Debian squeeze is being released in a few days. Ubuntu 11.04 is being released in a few months. /Of course/ Debian is going to be more stable.
[00:45] <magicianlord> it is doing well on this netbook, with the exception of the sound mute bug in 10.04
[00:46] <magicianlord> rww: what is the ETA for d 6?
[00:46] <rww> magicianlord: weekend of February 5th
[00:47] <magicianlord> oh nice
[00:48] <magicianlord> you think i should upgrade to d 6 at that point on here?
[00:48] <rww> I think you should use whichever is more suitable for you, based on the factors that are important to you ;P
[00:49] <rww> If you're interested in stability and looking for one of Debian 6 or Ubuntu natty, then I'd go with Debian 6.
[00:49] <magicianlord> the most important thing to me is bacon
[00:49] <magicianlord> but that doesnt help this decision :/
[00:49] <magicianlord> ok
[00:50] <magicianlord> well, i have rc2 ready on a stick right now
[00:50] <magicianlord> but 10.04 is working fine
[00:50] <magicianlord> thanks, homie
[04:04] <legodude> hey everyone, the latest updates from today really wedged my machine where it will boot then hang cold to console input after about 8seconds
[04:04] <legodude> never launching X
[04:04] <legodude> and I did not have a ssh server installed
[04:04] <legodude> so it seems to respond to pings
[04:06] <legodude> syslog has some error info about X server failing to start
[06:06] <gunndawg> So is there any news on if Natty will have GPU acceleration support for flash ?
[06:06] <Blue1> ahh it's still in alpha
[06:07] <Blue1> guess I will wait a few more weeks
[06:07] <gunndawg> yeah
[06:07] <Blue1> i wish they would put back the support for legacy mode video cards
[06:07] <gunndawg> I keep juggling between like 3 diff linux distros for my laptop and need to just settle on one!
[06:07] <Blue1> i looked at unity
[06:08] <susundberg> Hmm really
[06:08] <Blue1> it was on my system long enough for me to play with it
[06:08] <susundberg> my natty flash is not working that well
[06:08] <susundberg> (and i have nvidia gpu)
[06:08] <susundberg> though the nvidia gpu drivers are latest from nvidia website so that might cause problems ..
[06:08] <susundberg> (for opencl)
[06:08] <gunndawg> your using alpha natty ?
[06:08] <Blue1> my flash works okay here, just that firefox crashes my system (64 bit) didn't have this problem in 10.04
[06:09] <gunndawg> so natty is available to test? I am on 10.10
[06:09] <susundberg> i am using natty allright -- there is no other natty, correct?
[06:09] <susundberg> sure google for daily image
[06:09] <Blue1> i thinking i might migrate back to 10.04
[06:09] <Blue1> i will wsay this much for unity.  if you like the ipad you will love unity
[06:09] <susundberg> yeah, most of flash work ok, but some site flash videos are 'blinking'
[06:10] <susundberg> i mean they are partially black
[06:10] <gunndawg> ah
[06:10] <susundberg> (at time to time)
[06:10] <gunndawg> Blue you are going to migrate back to 10.04 from 10.10 or from 11.04 ?
[06:10] <Blue1> from 10.10
[06:10] <susundberg> :D
[06:10] <gunndawg> ah, I havent used 10.04
[06:10] <susundberg> what are you doing on 11.04 channel then! :D
[06:10] <Blue1> 10.04 is an LTS relase
[06:10] <gunndawg> im rather new to ubuntu
[06:11] <Blue1> just seeing what's down the pipe
[06:11] <gunndawg> susundberg, just trying to get info, thats why
[06:11] <susundberg> ah yeah, you two joined 1min after another
[06:11] <gunndawg> lol really ?
[06:11] <Blue1> coincidence
[06:11] <susundberg> 08:05 -!- gunndawg [~gunndawg@c-24-20-248-158.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1
[06:11] <susundberg> 08:06 -!- Blue1 [foobar@ip24-255-62-145.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1
[06:12] <susundberg> :)
[06:12] <Blue1> yeah I run nullidentd
[06:12] <Blue1> where ru susundberg?
[06:12] <gunndawg> can you migtrate back to 10.04 from 10.10 without re formatting ?
[06:13] <Blue1> oh no, I'd do a clean install.  I always do.
[06:13] <susundberg> im from Finland, Turku, if thats what you mean
[06:13] <Blue1> ahh I am in southwest U.S. the time stamp was 9 hours ahead of me
[06:13] <susundberg> :)
[06:13] <gunndawg> right now I am doing a dual boot, so just delete the ubuntu partition and start over ?
[06:13] <susundberg> yeah or format
[06:14] <Blue1> yeah or when you install just say format
[06:14] <gunndawg> will it keep my windows partition if I format ?
[06:14] <Blue1> sure as long as yhou don't do anything with the windows paritition
[06:14] <gunndawg> alright
[06:14] <Blue1> so my windows is sda1
[06:15] <gunndawg> now I need to figure out if I really wanna go to 10.04 or just stay with 10.10
[06:15] <Blue1> linux is sda3
[06:15] <Blue1> so as long as I only play with sda3 I am good
[06:15] <Blue1> well I have compelling reasons to go back to 10.04 - but i want to see what's ahead in 11.04 before I make that decision
[06:16] <Blue1> legacy mode support, and firefox that doesn't crash my system
[06:17] <gunndawg> im doin some reading and it seems there isnt much diff between 10.10 and 10.04
[06:17] <gunndawg> *head explodes*
[06:18] <Blue1> well flash is different in 10.10
[06:18] <Blue1> and there is no legacy mode video card support in 10.10
[06:18] <Blue1> plus 10.04 was an LTS release, 10.10 isn't
[06:19] <gunndawg> that confuses me also, if they are going to offer LTS to a product why even release the .10 version ?
[06:19] <Blue1> dunno
[06:19] <gunndawg> if its LTS it should eventually be on par with 10.10 and even better than 10.10
[06:19] <Blue1> newer kernel in 10.10 as well
[06:20] <gunndawg> why dont they put the newer kernel in 10.04 then if its LTS ?
[06:20] <gunndawg> lol
[06:20] <Blue1> hellifino
[06:21] <Blue1> I'd love to play 20 questions with mr. shuttleworth
[06:21] <gunndawg> yeah pardon someone who joins this channel in seek of information
[06:21] <gunndawg> its a crime, I know
[06:23] <gunndawg> I wasnt asking questions to get answers but more or less to start a discussion, but you couldnt pick up on that, its cool
[06:24] <Blue1> no no I think you mis-understand
[06:24] <gunndawg> ?
[06:25] <Blue1> I would like to ask mark shuttleworth (controls ubuntu basically) about the future direction of ubuntu and unity, etc.  I was NOT criticizing you for asking questions.
[06:25] <gunndawg> oh, lol
[06:25] <gunndawg> I see
[06:25] <gunndawg> I thought you were calling me mr.shuttleworth
[06:25] <Blue1> not at all
[06:26] <Blue1> like where is ubuntu situated in relation to windows, etc. etc.
[06:26] <gunndawg> yeah
[06:27] <gunndawg> I just decided to pick up ubuntu as a learning experience and project
[06:27] <gunndawg> feels kinda nice to be using something that isnt MS, for a change
[06:27] <Blue1> you can read all about my experiences here:  http://www.pkill-9.com
[06:27] <gunndawg> cool
[06:27] <gunndawg> I am also heavily interested in shell scripting
[06:28] <Blue1> i haven't delved much into that yet.
[06:28] <Blue1> 568,392 things to do before that
[06:29] <gunndawg> lol
[06:29] <Blue1> hope this restore finishes soon
[06:29] <yofel> gunndawg: use that as a start http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide since we use bash as default shell, but you probably want to become familiar with the command line in general first
[06:30] <Blue1> i have a book a bought on bash.
[06:30] <Blue1> but that looks like a good place to start
[06:30] <gunndawg> thx Yofel
[06:30] <gunndawg> yeah I've done a bit of scripting already
[06:30] <gunndawg> its quite nice
[06:30] <gunndawg> im an avid windows programmer
[06:30] <Blue1> it is but I am not super good with sed or awk or regular expressions yet.
[06:31] <Blue1> i am an old ibm mainframer, and dec mini guy (systems programming on both)
[06:31] <yofel> sed isn't hard, regular expressions take some time to be understood, but are cool, haven't used awk much yet
[06:32] <Blue1> i am trying to develop a script that just lists files that have lowercase extentions
[06:32] <gunndawg> lol
[06:32] <gunndawg> for what reason ?
[06:32] <Blue1> learning exercise
[06:32] <gunndawg> oh ok
[06:32] <yofel> hm...
[06:33] <Blue1> i  would learn more about reg. expressions
[06:34] <Blue1> hmm maybe I should renice these restore ops
[06:36] <yofel> btw. reading the backlog: kernel 2.6.35 is available for lucid you know?
[06:36] <yofel> called linux-image-generic-lts-backport-maverick
[06:36] <Blue1> ahh nice to know
[06:37] <gunndawg> im reading that site you gave me Yofel
[06:37] <gunndawg> good info
[06:37] <Blue1> logcheck then off to bed
[06:39] <Blue1> here's something that I can't figure out.  If I am locally logged into my system, .bash_aliases work.  however if I ssh into the box, it doesn't.
[06:39] <yofel> you do source it in your .bashrc?
[06:39] <Blue1> yeah let me check
[06:39] <yofel> (starting with the obvious)
[06:40] <Blue1> yeah
[06:40] <Blue1> if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then
[06:40] <Blue1>     . ~/.bash_aliases
[06:40] <Blue1> fi
[06:41] <Blue1> like I said, works if I am locally logged in.  doesn;'t work if I ssh into the box
[06:42] <Blue1> same .bashrc/.bash_aliases that is on my 64 bit machine and works fine.  this is a 32 bit system.   both running 10.10
[06:43] <yofel> hm, it could be that you have a faulty ~/.profile .bash_profile or .bash_login, but it should print an error in that case
[06:44] <gunndawg> I dont even know what you're trying to do, lol
[06:44] <gunndawg> sounds like greek to me
[06:44] <Blue1> nor i
[06:45] <yofel> over ssh the shell will be considered a login shell, since you aren't yet logged in, on your local machine the terminal will start a simple bash session
[06:45] <yofel> and a login shell will read other config files excep .bashrc too
[06:46] <yofel> *except
[06:46] <yofel> (that's the only difference I can think of currently)
[06:46] <Blue1> ahh I think this struck on something
[06:47] <Blue1> i think that's it::
[06:47] <Blue1> nwayno@Phoenix:~$ cat .profile
[06:47] <Blue1> # Sample .profile for SuSE Linux
[06:47] <Blue1> let me try fixing that...
[06:48] <yofel> the default ~/.profile is in /etc/skel/ - if you want to compare them
[06:48] <Blue1> yeah the profile on the machine that doesn't work is for SuSE
[06:48] <Blue1> that might be an issue
[06:49] <gunndawg> mmmmm SuSE
[06:50] <Blue1> boy that's been there for awhile
[06:50] <Blue1> -rwxr-xr-x 1 nwayno nwayno 925 2007-05-20 00:45 .profile.old
[06:51] <Blue1> when I converted over to ubuntu
[06:51] <yofel> well, I need to go, good luck
[06:51] <Blue1> fixed it perfectly - thanks
[06:51] <yofel> :)
[06:52] <gunndawg> :(
[06:54] <Blue1> great find yofel!
[06:55] <Blue1> who'd have thunk, suse was my downfall
[07:04] <gunndawg> lol
[07:04] <gunndawg> I been reading comparisons between all the leading distros
[07:10] <gunndawg> you like Suse ?
[07:18] <Blue1> i cut my teeth on suse
[07:18] <Blue1> http://pkill-9.com/?p=483
[07:18] <gunndawg> thats not good
[07:19] <Blue1> what is not good?
[07:19] <gunndawg> though I know you're not serious, I also do not understand your metaphor
[07:19] <gunndawg> that you cut ur teeth
[07:19] <Blue1> i learned (like a new born baby) on suse
[07:19] <gunndawg> ah ok
[07:19] <gunndawg> I suppose Ubuntu 10.10 would be my "teeth cutting" then
[07:19] <gunndawg> heh
[07:20] <Blue1> if this is the first linux distro you have ever used, yes
[07:20] <gunndawg> yeah for the most part, I installed RedHat like 12 years ago but never did anything with it
[07:21] <gunndawg> this is my first real attempt at trying to learn and use linux to its fullest potential
[07:21] <gunndawg> right now im just researching and reading the differences between KDE and Gnome
[07:22] <Blue1> gnome is more commonly used
[07:23] <Blue1> each has plusses and minuses
[07:23] <gunndawg> yeah
[07:23] <Blue1> you can run kde apps under gnome, but it hauls in almost all of kde
[07:23] <Blue1> i pay the price, because evolution doesn't work and Kontact does.
[07:24] <gunndawg> not sure what apps those are yet
[07:24] <Blue1> YMMV applies (your mileage may vary)
[07:24] <Blue1> usualy anything with a K stuck somewhere
[07:24] <Blue1> like k3b, kontact, korganizer, amarok
[07:25] <gunndawg> alright
[07:27] <Blue1> i also use akregator which is an rss reader.
[07:27] <Blue1> woo hoo!  I solved the over 1 year mystery with yofels help
[07:27] <gunndawg> right on
[07:27] <gunndawg> all I use so far is chrome and xhcat
[07:27] <gunndawg> lol
[07:28] <gunndawg> xchat*
[07:28] <gunndawg> I wanna get a good development IDE on here but not sure which one yet
[07:32] <gunndawg> what are some good IDE dev enviroments ?
[07:50] <cortex|sk> gunndawg: try eclipse or netbeans
[07:53] <gunndawg> alright
[11:29] <vincenzoml> Hi, how do I launch ubuntu-software-center in natty?
[11:38] <twager> vincenzoml: Have you clicked the button at the top of the sidebar ?
[11:39] <vincenzoml> twager: the ubuntu logo?
[11:39] <twager> vincenzoml: That's the one
[11:39] <vincenzoml> there I can find a not-so-well-working menu with icons
[11:40] <vincenzoml> twager: there's no software-center there anyway
[11:41] <twager> vincenzoml: Have you looked in  find more apps ?
[11:41] <vincenzoml> twager: yes and for me, it opens anyway the folder containing all the application links
[11:41] <vincenzoml> maybe you have proposed-updates?
[11:41] <vincenzoml> then I'd just have to wait
[11:42] <Daekdroom> Hell yeah. 2.6.38 is in!
[11:43] <twager> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade this morning
[11:44] <vincenzoml> twager: do you remember if you enabled natty-proposed?
[11:45] <twager> vincenzoml: No I did not..
[11:46] <vincenzoml> and when you click on the ubuntu logo, then on "find more apps" the software center is launched?
[11:47] <twager> vincenzoml: I have been running Natty for a few weeks...For me the software centre is in the side bar but cannot remember how I put it there
[11:48] <vincenzoml> twager: thanks
[11:48] <twager> vincenzoml: I always use apt or synaptic to control the system
[11:48] <vincenzoml> twager: yes I can survive without it :)
[11:48] <vincenzoml> thanks
[11:49] <vincenzoml> bye
[11:50] <twager> vincenzoml: NP...Dont forget if you use apt  a dist-upgrade -d will allow you to see what you are getting before an install
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:26] <BluesKaj> hmm. plenty of upgrades today ,anyone have probs?
[13:53] <Zuhaitz> Hi.
[13:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: for me PyKDE stuff being held back thanks to new SIP
[13:55] <yofel> other than that, nothing broken yet
[13:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, yeah same here , things seem ok
[13:56] <yofel> hm... make that: "SIP being held back thanks to PyKDE"
[13:57] <yofel> Riddel was working on kdebindings though
[13:58] <BluesKaj> kde upgrade broke some stuff yesterday , but it fixed itself last night with an update
[13:59] <FloridaGuy> kubuntu 11.04...trying to open dolphin .... sudo dolphin.....and geting this....KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified..Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.
[13:59] <yofel> don't use sudo, use kdesudo
[14:00] <FloridaGuy> yofel: that worked.....but i have always used the sudo for that....
[14:01] <yofel> sudo in natty is more strict in discarding environment settings, seems like that makes dbus unusable in sudo
[14:02] <FloridaGuy> ok....
[14:02] <FloridaGuy> dang.....now cant remember where the plymouth folder is...so i can change a background image
[14:03] <yofel> /lib/plymouth/ ?
[14:06] <FloridaGuy> yep.....i got it
[14:06] <FloridaGuy> now reboot and see how it looks
[14:53] <hifi> ok, aptitude was kind enough to provide a potentially good solution during this X conflict
[15:15] <BluesKaj> hifi, what X conflict ?
[15:16] <hifi> the big Xorg stack upgrade that is currently being pushed
[15:16] <hifi> like the topic says
[15:16] <hifi> there are a lot of packages which conflict with unresolved depencies
[15:16] <hifi> not a conflict per se
[15:16] <BluesKaj> hifi, so it's in the repos ?
[15:17] <hifi> mm, maybe it's just the xorg-edgers ppa
[15:17] <hifi> will reboot to find out what broke
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll wait for your return
[15:22] <Daekdroom> xorg-edgers ppa doesn't break X if you had it installed breviously.
[15:22] <Daekdroom> If you didn't, well..
[15:22] <BluesKaj> stuff to do , BBL
[15:52] <hifi> everything seems to work just fine
[15:52] <BluesKaj> cool
[16:08] <dupondje> firefox upgrade cleans cache/cookies etc ? :s
[16:09] <Daekdroom> dupondje, not usually
[16:09] <dupondje> weird, firefox upgraded yesterday
[16:09] <dupondje> and now I start it, and nothing anymore in cache
[16:09] <dupondje> all cookies gone
[16:09] <dupondje> s
[16:14] <dupondje> places.sqlite was moved to places.sqlite.corrupt
[16:14] <dupondje> putted it back
[16:14] <dupondje> and it works now
[16:14] <dupondje> weirrrd :D
[17:38] <krabador> when kubuntu daily cd, with kde 4.6.0?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> !info kde
[17:42] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:47] <Gulfstream> does enabling natty-proposed have any effect on the updates yet?
[17:47] <Pici> I wouldn't expect that to be used until natty has been released.
[17:49] <Gulfstream> I just typed sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it says 7 packages are going to be removed.
[17:50] <Pici> Then don't do it.
[17:51] <Gulfstream> okay. It was going to remove: gnome-media-common libbrasero-media1 libdrm-nouveau1 libgnome-media0   nautilus-sendto nautilus-sendto-empathy ubuntu-desktop, which I think would be dangerous removing.
[17:51] <Daekdroom> Why hasn't the 2.6.38 kernel hit the repos if there are i386 and x64 builds ready?
[17:51] <Daekdroom> Gulfstream, iirc, libdrm-nouveau1 is meant to be replaced by libdrm-nouveau1a
[17:52] <Daekdroom> !info libdrm-nouveau1
[17:52] <Daekdroom> !info libdrm-nouveau1a
[19:10] <Gulfstream> now, I cannot close windows
[19:11] <Gulfstream> and I did run dist-upgrade
[19:12] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade , to upgrade kde ?
[19:17] <mycroft_> what does it takes for a package to get from the upload queue to the actual repository ? ( I am waiting for 2.6.38)
[19:19] <Daekdroom> mycroft_, there are many packages that were built after 2.6.38 and that are already avaiable in the repos.
[19:19] <Daekdroom> My theory is that it'll only hit the repos when the armel and powerpc builds finish as well.
[19:19] <mycroft_> or they are waiting for post alpha2 ?
[19:20] <mycroft_> armel is finished as well apparently
[19:39] <rick_> Has anybody installed 11.04 comfortably and without issue in VMware player 3.1.3 in 64-bit Linux on an actual AMD64 CPU?
[19:40] <rick_> I keep having issues when I try to install yesterday's daily-live/current iso.
[19:40] <rick_> Am downloading today's now.
[19:41] <Gulfstream> rick_: I have been able to install using the 32 bit daily from 1.24.11 or 1.25.11
[19:41] <Gulfstream> or was it 1.26.11?
[19:41] <rick_> Gulfstream: I think I may just have a corrupted iso. Some others tell me they've had no issues with Narwhal even since earlier this month.
[19:43] <Gulfstream> okay... well.. I have to close firefox to open terminal and maybe get some issues fixed... If I'm not back in 15 minutes, then I am most likely having to reinstall because of the dist-upgrade
[19:45]  * BluesKaj wonders why he insists on using dist-upgrade
[19:46] <Gulfstream> I ran compiz --replace in terminal and things are working okay
[19:46]  * BluesKaj wonders what Gulfstream is using dist-upgrade for?
[19:47] <Gulfstream> BluesKaj: to update some packages that are required to be updated for Software Center to work properly
[19:48] <Pici> Gulfstream: Did you continue your upgrade after you said before that it wanted to remove some packages?
[19:48] <Gulfstream> no, I updated the package lists and then I ran dist-upgrade
[19:49] <Pici> Gulfstream: Did it still remove things?
[19:49] <Gulfstream> Pici: yes, 7 things, and the same 7 things that would have been removed earlier. Since they didn't seem required, I ran dist-upgrade
[19:50] <Gulfstream> just refreshed package list. Running upgrade.
[19:53]  * BluesKaj just use apt or aptitude then autoclean or autoremove
[19:53] <Pici> Gulfstream: which packages did it remove?
[19:53] <Pici> Gulfstream: Nevermind, I scrolled up.
[19:55] <Pici> Gulfstream: Sometimes that happens if the updated packages simply aren't available yet, and you shouldn't upgrade.
[19:55] <Pici> Gulfstream: Like the message in the topic states regarding Xorg.
[19:56] <Gulfstream> Pici: Is there a way to update the packages that the Software Center required without removing the others?
[19:57] <Pici> Gulfstream: aptitude will give you options of what you'd like to do instead.
[20:05] <rick_> have downloaded jan 27 build, attempting install now.
[20:06] <Gulfstream> rick_: daily live or daily?
[20:06] <rick_> daily-live
[20:07] <rick_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:07] <Gulfstream> rick_: Please let me know what happens - if it installs or not. I am currently downloading the daily-live image.
[20:08] <rick_> Gulfstream: It's already gotten further than the 1-26 build. :-)
[20:08] <Gulfstream> Nice!
[20:08] <rick_> Gulfstream: Same error.  It gets to the part where it's copying files, and then throws "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error and will now reboot."
[20:09] <Gulfstream> That's saddening
[20:09] <rick_> Gulfstream: I had changed the # of cpus and deleted the floppy disk driver when creating the vm.  I'm leaving everything default now to see if it works.
[20:11] <rick_> Gulfstream:  Same error.
[20:13] <rick_> Gulfstream: Was 64-bit version on 64-bit machine running VMware player 3.1.3.
[20:13] <rick_> Gulfstream: Downloading 32-bit version now to see if it will work.
[20:13] <Gulfstream> yeah, try the 32-bit version
[20:18] <mongy> any way to get my netspeed applet in the panel in unity?
[20:19] <mongy> Gulfstream, sending my stick back for refund :)
[20:19] <Daekdroom> mongy, no. Unity panel is completely uncompatible with gnome panel applets
[20:20] <mongy> Daekdroom, hmm, anything similar I can have visible ?  I dont want conky though
[20:20] <Daekdroom> Sorry, I have no idea on a replacement.
[20:20] <mongy> I like to glance and see my speeds without much effort
[20:23] <rick_> Gulfstream: 26 minutes remaining... :-)
[20:24] <Gulfstream> rick_: 1 hour remaining (I just restarted the donwload)
[20:37] <Gulfstream> Rick2: I am assuming you were rick_?
[20:37] <Rick2> Gulfstream: Yes.
[20:50] <Gulfstream> Rick2: done downloading?
[20:53] <Rick2> Gulfstream: Just finished.  Attempting install.
[21:04] <Rick2> Gulfstream: appears to be working, though taking a long time on creating ext4 partition
[21:14] <Gulfstream> Rick2: has it finished?
[21:17] <Rick2> Gulfstream: Nope.  Locked up apparently on the create ext4
[21:18] <Gulfstream> Rick2: That's even more saddening...
[21:19] <yofel> hm, I tried to install a few days ago, mkfs.ext4 about 5 minutes, but it did finish
[21:20] <yofel> *took about 5 minutes
[21:20] <Rick2> yofel: I'm letting it keep running.
[21:20] <Rick2> yofel: It's responding to mouse events, so I can cycle through the features.  But, still taking forever.
[21:28] <Rick2> yofel, Gulfstream: Still sitting there. :-)
[21:34] <Gulfstream> Rick2: I would abort the installation process.
[21:34] <yofel> +1, that's too long..
[21:36] <Rick2> yofel, Gulfstream: Yeah, I aborted.  Tried again using some alternate settings.  Nothing seems to work.
[21:47] <mongy> I installed mine today, from a daily.
[21:47] <mongy> is that the problem? with a daily?
[21:51] <Rick2> mongy: Installing in VMware player 3.1.3 for Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64. Fails in both 32-bit and 64-bit natty installs.  I have Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000, Ubuntu 10.04, and 10.10 64-bit modes all installed just fine.  Just natty won't.
[21:57] <mongy> ah vmware.. I stopped using it because it would never work with newer kerneles
[21:57] <mongy> kernels*
[21:57] <mongy> and would never offer any kind of support
[21:59] <Rick2> mongy: Never had any problems with vmware until today, if that's the issue.
[21:59] <mongy> It was a few years ago I used it, I switched to vbox by then and not looked back....
[22:00] <mongy> the times before any 'free' version
[22:01] <Rick2> mongy: I began using vmware in Ubuntu 7.04, an player 2.1 I believe.  Never had any issues whatsoever, except that my computer's 3d card wasn't recognized, so no accelerated 3d graphics.  Today, with my newer graphics card, not an issue either.  Everything works.
[22:01] <Rick2> mongy: Only other issue I ever had was trying to resume a suspended machine on a different CPU.  Sometimes it would work, most times it wouldn't.
[22:02] <mongy> ok..well just saying it was a recurring theme at the time for me with vmware.
[22:02] <mongy> every kernel newer than vmware would require a patch for vmware tools...
[22:02] <mongy> I got tired of it.
[22:03] <Rick2> mongy: Hmm... it may be that vmware doesn't work with natty since it's not released yet.
[22:03] <Rick2> mongy: Will try vbox.
[22:03] <mongy> yeah, thats half what it was at the time... distros with kernels newer than vmware
[22:04] <mongy> newer than vmwares knowledge
[22:06] <Rick2> mongy: If true, really speaks of the fragile nature of vmware, that it's not a full emulation, but a "mostly emulation" with some hacks added on to fix install-specific issues.  BAD if true.
[22:07] <mongy> the guests worked, just the vmware tools wouldnt build without some patch
[22:08] <mongy> guests without any accel arent nice to use
[22:08] <Rick2> mongy: They're tolerable, but if they're full emulation, meaning no native execution on underlying hardware, that's when it's awful.
[22:09] <Rick2> mongy: I read recently of the Godson-B Chinese CPU that's coming.  MIPS-based, with instructions for x86-emulation, allowing for 70% native speed execution.  That CPU will be able to run in cell phones, and at 1.2 GHz would provide support close to 800 MHz speed for any x86 software.  A big thing coming.
[22:10] <Rick2> mongy: Imagine running Ubuntu inside of hte android OS in your phone, and at near desktop speeds.
[22:11] <mongy> China is scary
[22:12] <Rick2> mongy: in vbox, how to setup a cd/dvd?
[22:12] <Rick2> mongy: I want it to point to iso
[22:12] <Rick2> mongy: figured it out
[22:14] <Rick2> mongy: Installing in vbox now... seems to be working
[22:15] <mongy> natty works (and additions ('vmware tools') also
[22:15] <Rick2> mongy: I think the problem with my installs may have been using vmware's "easy install" rather than going through literal install.
[22:15] <Rick2> mongy: will try to do normal install in vmware
[22:18] <Rick2> mongy: vbox is installing without any issues.
[22:19] <Rick2> mongy: Yup, that was it. 64-bit install is working fine in vmware now.  It was the easy-install feature that wasn't working.
[22:20] <mongy> 'easy' lol
[22:22] <Rick2> mongy: spoke too soon.  It made it further, but then crashed. vbox is still going. :-)
[22:47] <coz_> ah oh error with /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-gnome
[22:47] <coz_> dist-upgrade ^^