| magicianlord | is 11.04 stable enough now | 00:26 |
|---|---|---|
| KM0201 | lol, NO | 00:26 |
| rww | magicianlord: no, it's a mess | 00:26 |
| rww | a fun mess, but still, it's about as stable as I am. | 00:26 |
| Angryfurby | hey guys i have having issues trying to host multiple websites with ubuntu 10.04 can anyone offer some help | 00:28 |
| magicianlord | wow | 00:34 |
| magicianlord | so you'd recommend installing debian 6 rc 2 instead | 00:35 |
| charlie-tca | Angryfurby: this is support for the development version only. | 00:37 |
| charlie-tca | Try either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server | 00:37 |
| Angryfurby | thxs | 00:38 |
| magicianlord | what's the primary difference between debian 6 now and ubuntu | 00:38 |
| charlie-tca | magicianlord: since the development version of Ubuntu is not stable, recommend installing Ubuntu 10.01 | 00:38 |
| magicianlord | is 11.04 more stable or anything | 00:39 |
| charlie-tca | sorry, 10.10 | 00:39 |
| charlie-tca | there is no 11.04 yet | 00:39 |
| magicianlord | charlie-tca: i have 10.04 installed on here | 00:40 |
| charlie-tca | Is it not doing what you want? | 00:40 |
| rww | magicianlord: Debian squeeze is being released in a few days. Ubuntu 11.04 is being released in a few months. /Of course/ Debian is going to be more stable. | 00:45 |
| magicianlord | it is doing well on this netbook, with the exception of the sound mute bug in 10.04 | 00:45 |
| magicianlord | rww: what is the ETA for d 6? | 00:46 |
| rww | magicianlord: weekend of February 5th | 00:46 |
| magicianlord | oh nice | 00:47 |
| magicianlord | you think i should upgrade to d 6 at that point on here? | 00:48 |
| rww | I think you should use whichever is more suitable for you, based on the factors that are important to you ;P | 00:48 |
| rww | If you're interested in stability and looking for one of Debian 6 or Ubuntu natty, then I'd go with Debian 6. | 00:49 |
| magicianlord | the most important thing to me is bacon | 00:49 |
| magicianlord | but that doesnt help this decision :/ | 00:49 |
| magicianlord | ok | 00:49 |
| magicianlord | well, i have rc2 ready on a stick right now | 00:50 |
| magicianlord | but 10.04 is working fine | 00:50 |
| magicianlord | thanks, homie | 00:50 |
| === Richie is now known as WelshDragon | ||
| legodude | hey everyone, the latest updates from today really wedged my machine where it will boot then hang cold to console input after about 8seconds | 04:04 |
| legodude | never launching X | 04:04 |
| legodude | and I did not have a ssh server installed | 04:04 |
| legodude | so it seems to respond to pings | 04:04 |
| legodude | syslog has some error info about X server failing to start | 04:06 |
| gunndawg | So is there any news on if Natty will have GPU acceleration support for flash ? | 06:06 |
| Blue1 | ahh it's still in alpha | 06:06 |
| Blue1 | guess I will wait a few more weeks | 06:07 |
| gunndawg | yeah | 06:07 |
| Blue1 | i wish they would put back the support for legacy mode video cards | 06:07 |
| gunndawg | I keep juggling between like 3 diff linux distros for my laptop and need to just settle on one! | 06:07 |
| Blue1 | i looked at unity | 06:07 |
| susundberg | Hmm really | 06:08 |
| Blue1 | it was on my system long enough for me to play with it | 06:08 |
| susundberg | my natty flash is not working that well | 06:08 |
| susundberg | (and i have nvidia gpu) | 06:08 |
| susundberg | though the nvidia gpu drivers are latest from nvidia website so that might cause problems .. | 06:08 |
| susundberg | (for opencl) | 06:08 |
| gunndawg | your using alpha natty ? | 06:08 |
| Blue1 | my flash works okay here, just that firefox crashes my system (64 bit) didn't have this problem in 10.04 | 06:08 |
| gunndawg | so natty is available to test? I am on 10.10 | 06:09 |
| susundberg | i am using natty allright -- there is no other natty, correct? | 06:09 |
| susundberg | sure google for daily image | 06:09 |
| Blue1 | i thinking i might migrate back to 10.04 | 06:09 |
| Blue1 | i will wsay this much for unity. if you like the ipad you will love unity | 06:09 |
| susundberg | yeah, most of flash work ok, but some site flash videos are 'blinking' | 06:09 |
| susundberg | i mean they are partially black | 06:10 |
| gunndawg | ah | 06:10 |
| susundberg | (at time to time) | 06:10 |
| gunndawg | Blue you are going to migrate back to 10.04 from 10.10 or from 11.04 ? | 06:10 |
| Blue1 | from 10.10 | 06:10 |
| susundberg | :D | 06:10 |
| gunndawg | ah, I havent used 10.04 | 06:10 |
| susundberg | what are you doing on 11.04 channel then! :D | 06:10 |
| Blue1 | 10.04 is an LTS relase | 06:10 |
| gunndawg | im rather new to ubuntu | 06:10 |
| Blue1 | just seeing what's down the pipe | 06:11 |
| gunndawg | susundberg, just trying to get info, thats why | 06:11 |
| susundberg | ah yeah, you two joined 1min after another | 06:11 |
| gunndawg | lol really ? | 06:11 |
| Blue1 | coincidence | 06:11 |
| susundberg | 08:05 -!- gunndawg [~gunndawg@c-24-20-248-158.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 | 06:11 |
| susundberg | 08:06 -!- Blue1 [foobar@ip24-255-62-145.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 | 06:11 |
| susundberg | :) | 06:12 |
| Blue1 | yeah I run nullidentd | 06:12 |
| Blue1 | where ru susundberg? | 06:12 |
| gunndawg | can you migtrate back to 10.04 from 10.10 without re formatting ? | 06:12 |
| Blue1 | oh no, I'd do a clean install. I always do. | 06:13 |
| susundberg | im from Finland, Turku, if thats what you mean | 06:13 |
| Blue1 | ahh I am in southwest U.S. the time stamp was 9 hours ahead of me | 06:13 |
| susundberg | :) | 06:13 |
| gunndawg | right now I am doing a dual boot, so just delete the ubuntu partition and start over ? | 06:13 |
| susundberg | yeah or format | 06:13 |
| Blue1 | yeah or when you install just say format | 06:14 |
| gunndawg | will it keep my windows partition if I format ? | 06:14 |
| Blue1 | sure as long as yhou don't do anything with the windows paritition | 06:14 |
| gunndawg | alright | 06:14 |
| Blue1 | so my windows is sda1 | 06:14 |
| gunndawg | now I need to figure out if I really wanna go to 10.04 or just stay with 10.10 | 06:15 |
| Blue1 | linux is sda3 | 06:15 |
| Blue1 | so as long as I only play with sda3 I am good | 06:15 |
| Blue1 | well I have compelling reasons to go back to 10.04 - but i want to see what's ahead in 11.04 before I make that decision | 06:15 |
| Blue1 | legacy mode support, and firefox that doesn't crash my system | 06:16 |
| gunndawg | im doin some reading and it seems there isnt much diff between 10.10 and 10.04 | 06:17 |
| gunndawg | *head explodes* | 06:17 |
| Blue1 | well flash is different in 10.10 | 06:18 |
| Blue1 | and there is no legacy mode video card support in 10.10 | 06:18 |
| Blue1 | plus 10.04 was an LTS release, 10.10 isn't | 06:18 |
| gunndawg | that confuses me also, if they are going to offer LTS to a product why even release the .10 version ? | 06:19 |
| Blue1 | dunno | 06:19 |
| gunndawg | if its LTS it should eventually be on par with 10.10 and even better than 10.10 | 06:19 |
| Blue1 | newer kernel in 10.10 as well | 06:19 |
| gunndawg | why dont they put the newer kernel in 10.04 then if its LTS ? | 06:20 |
| gunndawg | lol | 06:20 |
| Blue1 | hellifino | 06:20 |
| Blue1 | I'd love to play 20 questions with mr. shuttleworth | 06:21 |
| gunndawg | yeah pardon someone who joins this channel in seek of information | 06:21 |
| gunndawg | its a crime, I know | 06:21 |
| gunndawg | I wasnt asking questions to get answers but more or less to start a discussion, but you couldnt pick up on that, its cool | 06:23 |
| Blue1 | no no I think you mis-understand | 06:24 |
| gunndawg | ? | 06:24 |
| Blue1 | I would like to ask mark shuttleworth (controls ubuntu basically) about the future direction of ubuntu and unity, etc. I was NOT criticizing you for asking questions. | 06:25 |
| gunndawg | oh, lol | 06:25 |
| gunndawg | I see | 06:25 |
| gunndawg | I thought you were calling me mr.shuttleworth | 06:25 |
| Blue1 | not at all | 06:25 |
| Blue1 | like where is ubuntu situated in relation to windows, etc. etc. | 06:26 |
| gunndawg | yeah | 06:26 |
| gunndawg | I just decided to pick up ubuntu as a learning experience and project | 06:27 |
| gunndawg | feels kinda nice to be using something that isnt MS, for a change | 06:27 |
| Blue1 | you can read all about my experiences here: http://www.pkill-9.com | 06:27 |
| gunndawg | cool | 06:27 |
| gunndawg | I am also heavily interested in shell scripting | 06:27 |
| Blue1 | i haven't delved much into that yet. | 06:28 |
| Blue1 | 568,392 things to do before that | 06:28 |
| gunndawg | lol | 06:29 |
| Blue1 | hope this restore finishes soon | 06:29 |
| yofel | gunndawg: use that as a start http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide since we use bash as default shell, but you probably want to become familiar with the command line in general first | 06:29 |
| Blue1 | i have a book a bought on bash. | 06:30 |
| Blue1 | but that looks like a good place to start | 06:30 |
| gunndawg | thx Yofel | 06:30 |
| gunndawg | yeah I've done a bit of scripting already | 06:30 |
| gunndawg | its quite nice | 06:30 |
| gunndawg | im an avid windows programmer | 06:30 |
| Blue1 | it is but I am not super good with sed or awk or regular expressions yet. | 06:30 |
| Blue1 | i am an old ibm mainframer, and dec mini guy (systems programming on both) | 06:31 |
| yofel | sed isn't hard, regular expressions take some time to be understood, but are cool, haven't used awk much yet | 06:31 |
| Blue1 | i am trying to develop a script that just lists files that have lowercase extentions | 06:32 |
| gunndawg | lol | 06:32 |
| gunndawg | for what reason ? | 06:32 |
| Blue1 | learning exercise | 06:32 |
| gunndawg | oh ok | 06:32 |
| yofel | hm... | 06:32 |
| Blue1 | i would learn more about reg. expressions | 06:33 |
| Blue1 | hmm maybe I should renice these restore ops | 06:34 |
| yofel | btw. reading the backlog: kernel 2.6.35 is available for lucid you know? | 06:36 |
| yofel | called linux-image-generic-lts-backport-maverick | 06:36 |
| Blue1 | ahh nice to know | 06:36 |
| gunndawg | im reading that site you gave me Yofel | 06:37 |
| gunndawg | good info | 06:37 |
| Blue1 | logcheck then off to bed | 06:37 |
| Blue1 | here's something that I can't figure out. If I am locally logged into my system, .bash_aliases work. however if I ssh into the box, it doesn't. | 06:39 |
| yofel | you do source it in your .bashrc? | 06:39 |
| Blue1 | yeah let me check | 06:39 |
| yofel | (starting with the obvious) | 06:39 |
| Blue1 | yeah | 06:40 |
| Blue1 | if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then | 06:40 |
| Blue1 | . ~/.bash_aliases | 06:40 |
| Blue1 | fi | 06:40 |
| Blue1 | like I said, works if I am locally logged in. doesn;'t work if I ssh into the box | 06:41 |
| Blue1 | same .bashrc/.bash_aliases that is on my 64 bit machine and works fine. this is a 32 bit system. both running 10.10 | 06:42 |
| yofel | hm, it could be that you have a faulty ~/.profile .bash_profile or .bash_login, but it should print an error in that case | 06:43 |
| gunndawg | I dont even know what you're trying to do, lol | 06:44 |
| gunndawg | sounds like greek to me | 06:44 |
| Blue1 | nor i | 06:44 |
| yofel | over ssh the shell will be considered a login shell, since you aren't yet logged in, on your local machine the terminal will start a simple bash session | 06:45 |
| yofel | and a login shell will read other config files excep .bashrc too | 06:45 |
| yofel | *except | 06:46 |
| yofel | (that's the only difference I can think of currently) | 06:46 |
| Blue1 | ahh I think this struck on something | 06:46 |
| Blue1 | i think that's it:: | 06:47 |
| Blue1 | nwayno@Phoenix:~$ cat .profile | 06:47 |
| Blue1 | # Sample .profile for SuSE Linux | 06:47 |
| Blue1 | let me try fixing that... | 06:47 |
| yofel | the default ~/.profile is in /etc/skel/ - if you want to compare them | 06:48 |
| Blue1 | yeah the profile on the machine that doesn't work is for SuSE | 06:48 |
| Blue1 | that might be an issue | 06:48 |
| gunndawg | mmmmm SuSE | 06:49 |
| Blue1 | boy that's been there for awhile | 06:50 |
| Blue1 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 nwayno nwayno 925 2007-05-20 00:45 .profile.old | 06:50 |
| Blue1 | when I converted over to ubuntu | 06:51 |
| yofel | well, I need to go, good luck | 06:51 |
| Blue1 | fixed it perfectly - thanks | 06:51 |
| yofel | :) | 06:51 |
| gunndawg | :( | 06:52 |
| Blue1 | great find yofel! | 06:54 |
| Blue1 | who'd have thunk, suse was my downfall | 06:55 |
| gunndawg | lol | 07:04 |
| gunndawg | I been reading comparisons between all the leading distros | 07:04 |
| gunndawg | you like Suse ? | 07:10 |
| Blue1 | i cut my teeth on suse | 07:18 |
| Blue1 | http://pkill-9.com/?p=483 | 07:18 |
| gunndawg | thats not good | 07:18 |
| Blue1 | what is not good? | 07:19 |
| gunndawg | though I know you're not serious, I also do not understand your metaphor | 07:19 |
| gunndawg | that you cut ur teeth | 07:19 |
| Blue1 | i learned (like a new born baby) on suse | 07:19 |
| gunndawg | ah ok | 07:19 |
| gunndawg | I suppose Ubuntu 10.10 would be my "teeth cutting" then | 07:19 |
| gunndawg | heh | 07:19 |
| Blue1 | if this is the first linux distro you have ever used, yes | 07:20 |
| gunndawg | yeah for the most part, I installed RedHat like 12 years ago but never did anything with it | 07:20 |
| gunndawg | this is my first real attempt at trying to learn and use linux to its fullest potential | 07:21 |
| gunndawg | right now im just researching and reading the differences between KDE and Gnome | 07:21 |
| Blue1 | gnome is more commonly used | 07:22 |
| Blue1 | each has plusses and minuses | 07:23 |
| gunndawg | yeah | 07:23 |
| Blue1 | you can run kde apps under gnome, but it hauls in almost all of kde | 07:23 |
| Blue1 | i pay the price, because evolution doesn't work and Kontact does. | 07:23 |
| gunndawg | not sure what apps those are yet | 07:24 |
| Blue1 | YMMV applies (your mileage may vary) | 07:24 |
| Blue1 | usualy anything with a K stuck somewhere | 07:24 |
| Blue1 | like k3b, kontact, korganizer, amarok | 07:24 |
| gunndawg | alright | 07:25 |
| Blue1 | i also use akregator which is an rss reader. | 07:27 |
| Blue1 | woo hoo! I solved the over 1 year mystery with yofels help | 07:27 |
| gunndawg | right on | 07:27 |
| gunndawg | all I use so far is chrome and xhcat | 07:27 |
| gunndawg | lol | 07:27 |
| gunndawg | xchat* | 07:28 |
| gunndawg | I wanna get a good development IDE on here but not sure which one yet | 07:28 |
| gunndawg | what are some good IDE dev enviroments ? | 07:32 |
| cortex|sk | gunndawg: try eclipse or netbeans | 07:50 |
| gunndawg | alright | 07:53 |
| === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohan_chml | ||
| === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck | ||
| vincenzoml | Hi, how do I launch ubuntu-software-center in natty? | 11:29 |
| twager | vincenzoml: Have you clicked the button at the top of the sidebar ? | 11:38 |
| vincenzoml | twager: the ubuntu logo? | 11:39 |
| twager | vincenzoml: That's the one | 11:39 |
| vincenzoml | there I can find a not-so-well-working menu with icons | 11:39 |
| vincenzoml | twager: there's no software-center there anyway | 11:40 |
| twager | vincenzoml: Have you looked in find more apps ? | 11:41 |
| vincenzoml | twager: yes and for me, it opens anyway the folder containing all the application links | 11:41 |
| vincenzoml | maybe you have proposed-updates? | 11:41 |
| vincenzoml | then I'd just have to wait | 11:41 |
| Daekdroom | Hell yeah. 2.6.38 is in! | 11:42 |
| twager | I did an apt-get dist-upgrade this morning | 11:43 |
| vincenzoml | twager: do you remember if you enabled natty-proposed? | 11:44 |
| twager | vincenzoml: No I did not.. | 11:45 |
| vincenzoml | and when you click on the ubuntu logo, then on "find more apps" the software center is launched? | 11:46 |
| twager | vincenzoml: I have been running Natty for a few weeks...For me the software centre is in the side bar but cannot remember how I put it there | 11:47 |
| vincenzoml | twager: thanks | 11:48 |
| twager | vincenzoml: I always use apt or synaptic to control the system | 11:48 |
| vincenzoml | twager: yes I can survive without it :) | 11:48 |
| vincenzoml | thanks | 11:48 |
| vincenzoml | bye | 11:49 |
| twager | vincenzoml: NP...Dont forget if you use apt a dist-upgrade -d will allow you to see what you are getting before an install | 11:50 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | hmm. plenty of upgrades today ,anyone have probs? | 13:26 |
| Zuhaitz | Hi. | 13:53 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: for me PyKDE stuff being held back thanks to new SIP | 13:55 |
| yofel | other than that, nothing broken yet | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, yeah same here , things seem ok | 13:56 |
| yofel | hm... make that: "SIP being held back thanks to PyKDE" | 13:56 |
| yofel | Riddel was working on kdebindings though | 13:57 |
| BluesKaj | kde upgrade broke some stuff yesterday , but it fixed itself last night with an update | 13:58 |
| FloridaGuy | kubuntu 11.04...trying to open dolphin .... sudo dolphin.....and geting this....KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server: "/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified..Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. | 13:59 |
| yofel | don't use sudo, use kdesudo | 13:59 |
| FloridaGuy | yofel: that worked.....but i have always used the sudo for that.... | 14:00 |
| yofel | sudo in natty is more strict in discarding environment settings, seems like that makes dbus unusable in sudo | 14:01 |
| FloridaGuy | ok.... | 14:02 |
| FloridaGuy | dang.....now cant remember where the plymouth folder is...so i can change a background image | 14:02 |
| yofel | /lib/plymouth/ ? | 14:03 |
| FloridaGuy | yep.....i got it | 14:06 |
| FloridaGuy | now reboot and see how it looks | 14:06 |
| hifi | ok, aptitude was kind enough to provide a potentially good solution during this X conflict | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | hifi, what X conflict ? | 15:15 |
| hifi | the big Xorg stack upgrade that is currently being pushed | 15:16 |
| hifi | like the topic says | 15:16 |
| hifi | there are a lot of packages which conflict with unresolved depencies | 15:16 |
| hifi | not a conflict per se | 15:16 |
| BluesKaj | hifi, so it's in the repos ? | 15:16 |
| hifi | mm, maybe it's just the xorg-edgers ppa | 15:17 |
| hifi | will reboot to find out what broke | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | ok, I'll wait for your return | 15:18 |
| Daekdroom | xorg-edgers ppa doesn't break X if you had it installed breviously. | 15:22 |
| Daekdroom | If you didn't, well.. | 15:22 |
| BluesKaj | stuff to do , BBL | 15:22 |
| hifi | everything seems to work just fine | 15:52 |
| BluesKaj | cool | 15:52 |
| dupondje | firefox upgrade cleans cache/cookies etc ? :s | 16:08 |
| Daekdroom | dupondje, not usually | 16:09 |
| dupondje | weird, firefox upgraded yesterday | 16:09 |
| dupondje | and now I start it, and nothing anymore in cache | 16:09 |
| dupondje | all cookies gone | 16:09 |
| dupondje | s | 16:09 |
| dupondje | places.sqlite was moved to places.sqlite.corrupt | 16:14 |
| dupondje | putted it back | 16:14 |
| dupondje | and it works now | 16:14 |
| dupondje | weirrrd :D | 16:14 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| krabador | when kubuntu daily cd, with kde 4.6.0? | 17:38 |
| charlie-tca | !info kde | 17:42 |
| ubottu | Package kde does not exist in natty | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 17:42 |
| Gulfstream | does enabling natty-proposed have any effect on the updates yet? | 17:47 |
| Pici | I wouldn't expect that to be used until natty has been released. | 17:47 |
| Gulfstream | I just typed sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it says 7 packages are going to be removed. | 17:49 |
| Pici | Then don't do it. | 17:50 |
| Gulfstream | okay. It was going to remove: gnome-media-common libbrasero-media1 libdrm-nouveau1 libgnome-media0 nautilus-sendto nautilus-sendto-empathy ubuntu-desktop, which I think would be dangerous removing. | 17:51 |
| Daekdroom | Why hasn't the 2.6.38 kernel hit the repos if there are i386 and x64 builds ready? | 17:51 |
| Daekdroom | Gulfstream, iirc, libdrm-nouveau1 is meant to be replaced by libdrm-nouveau1a | 17:51 |
| Daekdroom | !info libdrm-nouveau1 | 17:52 |
| ubottu | libdrm-nouveau1 (source: libdrm): Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.22-2ubuntu1 (natty), package size 12 kB, installed size 104 kB | 17:52 |
| Daekdroom | !info libdrm-nouveau1a | 17:52 |
| ubottu | libdrm-nouveau1a (source: libdrm): Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime. In component main, is required. Version 2.4.23-1ubuntu3 (natty), package size 13 kB, installed size 104 kB | 17:52 |
| === TerminX_ is now known as TerminX | ||
| Gulfstream | now, I cannot close windows | 19:10 |
| Gulfstream | and I did run dist-upgrade | 19:11 |
| BluesKaj | dist-upgrade , to upgrade kde ? | 19:12 |
| mycroft_ | what does it takes for a package to get from the upload queue to the actual repository ? ( I am waiting for 2.6.38) | 19:17 |
| Daekdroom | mycroft_, there are many packages that were built after 2.6.38 and that are already avaiable in the repos. | 19:19 |
| Daekdroom | My theory is that it'll only hit the repos when the armel and powerpc builds finish as well. | 19:19 |
| mycroft_ | or they are waiting for post alpha2 ? | 19:19 |
| mycroft_ | armel is finished as well apparently | 19:20 |
| rick_ | Has anybody installed 11.04 comfortably and without issue in VMware player 3.1.3 in 64-bit Linux on an actual AMD64 CPU? | 19:39 |
| rick_ | I keep having issues when I try to install yesterday's daily-live/current iso. | 19:40 |
| rick_ | Am downloading today's now. | 19:40 |
| Gulfstream | rick_: I have been able to install using the 32 bit daily from 1.24.11 or 1.25.11 | 19:41 |
| Gulfstream | or was it 1.26.11? | 19:41 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: I think I may just have a corrupted iso. Some others tell me they've had no issues with Narwhal even since earlier this month. | 19:41 |
| Gulfstream | okay... well.. I have to close firefox to open terminal and maybe get some issues fixed... If I'm not back in 15 minutes, then I am most likely having to reinstall because of the dist-upgrade | 19:43 |
| * BluesKaj wonders why he insists on using dist-upgrade | 19:45 | |
| Gulfstream | I ran compiz --replace in terminal and things are working okay | 19:46 |
| * BluesKaj wonders what Gulfstream is using dist-upgrade for? | 19:46 | |
| Gulfstream | BluesKaj: to update some packages that are required to be updated for Software Center to work properly | 19:47 |
| Pici | Gulfstream: Did you continue your upgrade after you said before that it wanted to remove some packages? | 19:48 |
| Gulfstream | no, I updated the package lists and then I ran dist-upgrade | 19:48 |
| Pici | Gulfstream: Did it still remove things? | 19:49 |
| Gulfstream | Pici: yes, 7 things, and the same 7 things that would have been removed earlier. Since they didn't seem required, I ran dist-upgrade | 19:49 |
| Gulfstream | just refreshed package list. Running upgrade. | 19:50 |
| * BluesKaj just use apt or aptitude then autoclean or autoremove | 19:53 | |
| Pici | Gulfstream: which packages did it remove? | 19:53 |
| Pici | Gulfstream: Nevermind, I scrolled up. | 19:53 |
| Pici | Gulfstream: Sometimes that happens if the updated packages simply aren't available yet, and you shouldn't upgrade. | 19:55 |
| Pici | Gulfstream: Like the message in the topic states regarding Xorg. | 19:55 |
| Gulfstream | Pici: Is there a way to update the packages that the Software Center required without removing the others? | 19:56 |
| Pici | Gulfstream: aptitude will give you options of what you'd like to do instead. | 19:57 |
| rick_ | have downloaded jan 27 build, attempting install now. | 20:05 |
| Gulfstream | rick_: daily live or daily? | 20:06 |
| rick_ | daily-live | 20:06 |
| rick_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 20:07 |
| Gulfstream | rick_: Please let me know what happens - if it installs or not. I am currently downloading the daily-live image. | 20:07 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: It's already gotten further than the 1-26 build. :-) | 20:08 |
| Gulfstream | Nice! | 20:08 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: Same error. It gets to the part where it's copying files, and then throws "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error and will now reboot." | 20:08 |
| Gulfstream | That's saddening | 20:09 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: I had changed the # of cpus and deleted the floppy disk driver when creating the vm. I'm leaving everything default now to see if it works. | 20:09 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: Same error. | 20:11 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: Was 64-bit version on 64-bit machine running VMware player 3.1.3. | 20:13 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: Downloading 32-bit version now to see if it will work. | 20:13 |
| Gulfstream | yeah, try the 32-bit version | 20:13 |
| mongy | any way to get my netspeed applet in the panel in unity? | 20:18 |
| mongy | Gulfstream, sending my stick back for refund :) | 20:19 |
| Daekdroom | mongy, no. Unity panel is completely uncompatible with gnome panel applets | 20:19 |
| mongy | Daekdroom, hmm, anything similar I can have visible ? I dont want conky though | 20:20 |
| Daekdroom | Sorry, I have no idea on a replacement. | 20:20 |
| mongy | I like to glance and see my speeds without much effort | 20:20 |
| rick_ | Gulfstream: 26 minutes remaining... :-) | 20:23 |
| Gulfstream | rick_: 1 hour remaining (I just restarted the donwload) | 20:24 |
| Gulfstream | Rick2: I am assuming you were rick_? | 20:37 |
| Rick2 | Gulfstream: Yes. | 20:37 |
| Gulfstream | Rick2: done downloading? | 20:50 |
| Rick2 | Gulfstream: Just finished. Attempting install. | 20:53 |
| Rick2 | Gulfstream: appears to be working, though taking a long time on creating ext4 partition | 21:04 |
| Gulfstream | Rick2: has it finished? | 21:14 |
| Rick2 | Gulfstream: Nope. Locked up apparently on the create ext4 | 21:17 |
| Gulfstream | Rick2: That's even more saddening... | 21:18 |
| yofel | hm, I tried to install a few days ago, mkfs.ext4 about 5 minutes, but it did finish | 21:19 |
| yofel | *took about 5 minutes | 21:20 |
| Rick2 | yofel: I'm letting it keep running. | 21:20 |
| Rick2 | yofel: It's responding to mouse events, so I can cycle through the features. But, still taking forever. | 21:20 |
| Rick2 | yofel, Gulfstream: Still sitting there. :-) | 21:28 |
| Gulfstream | Rick2: I would abort the installation process. | 21:34 |
| yofel | +1, that's too long.. | 21:34 |
| Rick2 | yofel, Gulfstream: Yeah, I aborted. Tried again using some alternate settings. Nothing seems to work. | 21:36 |
| mongy | I installed mine today, from a daily. | 21:47 |
| mongy | is that the problem? with a daily? | 21:47 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Installing in VMware player 3.1.3 for Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64. Fails in both 32-bit and 64-bit natty installs. I have Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000, Ubuntu 10.04, and 10.10 64-bit modes all installed just fine. Just natty won't. | 21:51 |
| mongy | ah vmware.. I stopped using it because it would never work with newer kerneles | 21:57 |
| mongy | kernels* | 21:57 |
| mongy | and would never offer any kind of support | 21:57 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Never had any problems with vmware until today, if that's the issue. | 21:59 |
| mongy | It was a few years ago I used it, I switched to vbox by then and not looked back.... | 21:59 |
| mongy | the times before any 'free' version | 22:00 |
| Rick2 | mongy: I began using vmware in Ubuntu 7.04, an player 2.1 I believe. Never had any issues whatsoever, except that my computer's 3d card wasn't recognized, so no accelerated 3d graphics. Today, with my newer graphics card, not an issue either. Everything works. | 22:01 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Only other issue I ever had was trying to resume a suspended machine on a different CPU. Sometimes it would work, most times it wouldn't. | 22:01 |
| mongy | ok..well just saying it was a recurring theme at the time for me with vmware. | 22:02 |
| mongy | every kernel newer than vmware would require a patch for vmware tools... | 22:02 |
| mongy | I got tired of it. | 22:02 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Hmm... it may be that vmware doesn't work with natty since it's not released yet. | 22:03 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Will try vbox. | 22:03 |
| mongy | yeah, thats half what it was at the time... distros with kernels newer than vmware | 22:03 |
| mongy | newer than vmwares knowledge | 22:04 |
| Rick2 | mongy: If true, really speaks of the fragile nature of vmware, that it's not a full emulation, but a "mostly emulation" with some hacks added on to fix install-specific issues. BAD if true. | 22:06 |
| mongy | the guests worked, just the vmware tools wouldnt build without some patch | 22:07 |
| mongy | guests without any accel arent nice to use | 22:08 |
| Rick2 | mongy: They're tolerable, but if they're full emulation, meaning no native execution on underlying hardware, that's when it's awful. | 22:08 |
| Rick2 | mongy: I read recently of the Godson-B Chinese CPU that's coming. MIPS-based, with instructions for x86-emulation, allowing for 70% native speed execution. That CPU will be able to run in cell phones, and at 1.2 GHz would provide support close to 800 MHz speed for any x86 software. A big thing coming. | 22:09 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Imagine running Ubuntu inside of hte android OS in your phone, and at near desktop speeds. | 22:10 |
| mongy | China is scary | 22:11 |
| Rick2 | mongy: in vbox, how to setup a cd/dvd? | 22:12 |
| Rick2 | mongy: I want it to point to iso | 22:12 |
| Rick2 | mongy: figured it out | 22:12 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Installing in vbox now... seems to be working | 22:14 |
| mongy | natty works (and additions ('vmware tools') also | 22:15 |
| Rick2 | mongy: I think the problem with my installs may have been using vmware's "easy install" rather than going through literal install. | 22:15 |
| Rick2 | mongy: will try to do normal install in vmware | 22:15 |
| Rick2 | mongy: vbox is installing without any issues. | 22:18 |
| Rick2 | mongy: Yup, that was it. 64-bit install is working fine in vmware now. It was the easy-install feature that wasn't working. | 22:19 |
| mongy | 'easy' lol | 22:20 |
| Rick2 | mongy: spoke too soon. It made it further, but then crashed. vbox is still going. :-) | 22:22 |
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| coz_ | ah oh error with /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-gnome | 22:47 |
| coz_ | dist-upgrade ^^ | 22:47 |
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