[00:26] is 11.04 stable enough now [00:26] lol, NO [00:26] magicianlord: no, it's a mess [00:26] a fun mess, but still, it's about as stable as I am. [00:28] hey guys i have having issues trying to host multiple websites with ubuntu 10.04 can anyone offer some help [00:34] wow [00:35] so you'd recommend installing debian 6 rc 2 instead [00:37] Angryfurby: this is support for the development version only. [00:37] Try either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server [00:38] thxs [00:38] what's the primary difference between debian 6 now and ubuntu [00:38] magicianlord: since the development version of Ubuntu is not stable, recommend installing Ubuntu 10.01 [00:39] is 11.04 more stable or anything [00:39] sorry, 10.10 [00:39] there is no 11.04 yet [00:40] charlie-tca: i have 10.04 installed on here [00:40] Is it not doing what you want? [00:45] magicianlord: Debian squeeze is being released in a few days. Ubuntu 11.04 is being released in a few months. /Of course/ Debian is going to be more stable. [00:45] it is doing well on this netbook, with the exception of the sound mute bug in 10.04 [00:46] rww: what is the ETA for d 6? [00:46] magicianlord: weekend of February 5th [00:47] oh nice [00:48] you think i should upgrade to d 6 at that point on here? [00:48] I think you should use whichever is more suitable for you, based on the factors that are important to you ;P [00:49] If you're interested in stability and looking for one of Debian 6 or Ubuntu natty, then I'd go with Debian 6. [00:49] the most important thing to me is bacon [00:49] but that doesnt help this decision :/ [00:49] ok [00:50] well, i have rc2 ready on a stick right now [00:50] but 10.04 is working fine [00:50] thanks, homie === Richie is now known as WelshDragon [04:04] hey everyone, the latest updates from today really wedged my machine where it will boot then hang cold to console input after about 8seconds [04:04] never launching X [04:04] and I did not have a ssh server installed [04:04] so it seems to respond to pings [04:06] syslog has some error info about X server failing to start [06:06] So is there any news on if Natty will have GPU acceleration support for flash ? [06:06] ahh it's still in alpha [06:07] guess I will wait a few more weeks [06:07] yeah [06:07] i wish they would put back the support for legacy mode video cards [06:07] I keep juggling between like 3 diff linux distros for my laptop and need to just settle on one! [06:07] i looked at unity [06:08] Hmm really [06:08] it was on my system long enough for me to play with it [06:08] my natty flash is not working that well [06:08] (and i have nvidia gpu) [06:08] though the nvidia gpu drivers are latest from nvidia website so that might cause problems .. [06:08] (for opencl) [06:08] your using alpha natty ? [06:08] my flash works okay here, just that firefox crashes my system (64 bit) didn't have this problem in 10.04 [06:09] so natty is available to test? I am on 10.10 [06:09] i am using natty allright -- there is no other natty, correct? [06:09] sure google for daily image [06:09] i thinking i might migrate back to 10.04 [06:09] i will wsay this much for unity. if you like the ipad you will love unity [06:09] yeah, most of flash work ok, but some site flash videos are 'blinking' [06:10] i mean they are partially black [06:10] ah [06:10] (at time to time) [06:10] Blue you are going to migrate back to 10.04 from 10.10 or from 11.04 ? [06:10] from 10.10 [06:10] :D [06:10] ah, I havent used 10.04 [06:10] what are you doing on 11.04 channel then! :D [06:10] 10.04 is an LTS relase [06:10] im rather new to ubuntu [06:11] just seeing what's down the pipe [06:11] susundberg, just trying to get info, thats why [06:11] ah yeah, you two joined 1min after another [06:11] lol really ? [06:11] coincidence [06:11] 08:05 -!- gunndawg [~gunndawg@c-24-20-248-158.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:11] 08:06 -!- Blue1 [foobar@ip24-255-62-145.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:12] :) [06:12] yeah I run nullidentd [06:12] where ru susundberg? [06:12] can you migtrate back to 10.04 from 10.10 without re formatting ? [06:13] oh no, I'd do a clean install. I always do. [06:13] im from Finland, Turku, if thats what you mean [06:13] ahh I am in southwest U.S. the time stamp was 9 hours ahead of me [06:13] :) [06:13] right now I am doing a dual boot, so just delete the ubuntu partition and start over ? [06:13] yeah or format [06:14] yeah or when you install just say format [06:14] will it keep my windows partition if I format ? [06:14] sure as long as yhou don't do anything with the windows paritition [06:14] alright [06:14] so my windows is sda1 [06:15] now I need to figure out if I really wanna go to 10.04 or just stay with 10.10 [06:15] linux is sda3 [06:15] so as long as I only play with sda3 I am good [06:15] well I have compelling reasons to go back to 10.04 - but i want to see what's ahead in 11.04 before I make that decision [06:16] legacy mode support, and firefox that doesn't crash my system [06:17] im doin some reading and it seems there isnt much diff between 10.10 and 10.04 [06:17] *head explodes* [06:18] well flash is different in 10.10 [06:18] and there is no legacy mode video card support in 10.10 [06:18] plus 10.04 was an LTS release, 10.10 isn't [06:19] that confuses me also, if they are going to offer LTS to a product why even release the .10 version ? [06:19] dunno [06:19] if its LTS it should eventually be on par with 10.10 and even better than 10.10 [06:19] newer kernel in 10.10 as well [06:20] why dont they put the newer kernel in 10.04 then if its LTS ? [06:20] lol [06:20] hellifino [06:21] I'd love to play 20 questions with mr. shuttleworth [06:21] yeah pardon someone who joins this channel in seek of information [06:21] its a crime, I know [06:23] I wasnt asking questions to get answers but more or less to start a discussion, but you couldnt pick up on that, its cool [06:24] no no I think you mis-understand [06:24] ? [06:25] I would like to ask mark shuttleworth (controls ubuntu basically) about the future direction of ubuntu and unity, etc. I was NOT criticizing you for asking questions. [06:25] oh, lol [06:25] I see [06:25] I thought you were calling me mr.shuttleworth [06:25] not at all [06:26] like where is ubuntu situated in relation to windows, etc. etc. [06:26] yeah [06:27] I just decided to pick up ubuntu as a learning experience and project [06:27] feels kinda nice to be using something that isnt MS, for a change [06:27] you can read all about my experiences here: http://www.pkill-9.com [06:27] cool [06:27] I am also heavily interested in shell scripting [06:28] i haven't delved much into that yet. [06:28] 568,392 things to do before that [06:29] lol [06:29] hope this restore finishes soon [06:29] gunndawg: use that as a start http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide since we use bash as default shell, but you probably want to become familiar with the command line in general first [06:30] i have a book a bought on bash. [06:30] but that looks like a good place to start [06:30] thx Yofel [06:30] yeah I've done a bit of scripting already [06:30] its quite nice [06:30] im an avid windows programmer [06:30] it is but I am not super good with sed or awk or regular expressions yet. [06:31] i am an old ibm mainframer, and dec mini guy (systems programming on both) [06:31] sed isn't hard, regular expressions take some time to be understood, but are cool, haven't used awk much yet [06:32] i am trying to develop a script that just lists files that have lowercase extentions [06:32] lol [06:32] for what reason ? [06:32] learning exercise [06:32] oh ok [06:32] hm... [06:33] i would learn more about reg. expressions [06:34] hmm maybe I should renice these restore ops [06:36] btw. reading the backlog: kernel 2.6.35 is available for lucid you know? [06:36] called linux-image-generic-lts-backport-maverick [06:36] ahh nice to know [06:37] im reading that site you gave me Yofel [06:37] good info [06:37] logcheck then off to bed [06:39] here's something that I can't figure out. If I am locally logged into my system, .bash_aliases work. however if I ssh into the box, it doesn't. [06:39] you do source it in your .bashrc? [06:39] yeah let me check [06:39] (starting with the obvious) [06:40] yeah [06:40] if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then [06:40] . ~/.bash_aliases [06:40] fi [06:41] like I said, works if I am locally logged in. doesn;'t work if I ssh into the box [06:42] same .bashrc/.bash_aliases that is on my 64 bit machine and works fine. this is a 32 bit system. both running 10.10 [06:43] hm, it could be that you have a faulty ~/.profile .bash_profile or .bash_login, but it should print an error in that case [06:44] I dont even know what you're trying to do, lol [06:44] sounds like greek to me [06:44] nor i [06:45] over ssh the shell will be considered a login shell, since you aren't yet logged in, on your local machine the terminal will start a simple bash session [06:45] and a login shell will read other config files excep .bashrc too [06:46] *except [06:46] (that's the only difference I can think of currently) [06:46] ahh I think this struck on something [06:47] i think that's it:: [06:47] nwayno@Phoenix:~$ cat .profile [06:47] # Sample .profile for SuSE Linux [06:47] let me try fixing that... [06:48] the default ~/.profile is in /etc/skel/ - if you want to compare them [06:48] yeah the profile on the machine that doesn't work is for SuSE [06:48] that might be an issue [06:49] mmmmm SuSE [06:50] boy that's been there for awhile [06:50] -rwxr-xr-x 1 nwayno nwayno 925 2007-05-20 00:45 .profile.old [06:51] when I converted over to ubuntu [06:51] well, I need to go, good luck [06:51] fixed it perfectly - thanks [06:51] :) [06:52] :( [06:54] great find yofel! [06:55] who'd have thunk, suse was my downfall [07:04] lol [07:04] I been reading comparisons between all the leading distros [07:10] you like Suse ? [07:18] i cut my teeth on suse [07:18] http://pkill-9.com/?p=483 [07:18] thats not good [07:19] what is not good? [07:19] though I know you're not serious, I also do not understand your metaphor [07:19] that you cut ur teeth [07:19] i learned (like a new born baby) on suse [07:19] ah ok [07:19] I suppose Ubuntu 10.10 would be my "teeth cutting" then [07:19] heh [07:20] if this is the first linux distro you have ever used, yes [07:20] yeah for the most part, I installed RedHat like 12 years ago but never did anything with it [07:21] this is my first real attempt at trying to learn and use linux to its fullest potential [07:21] right now im just researching and reading the differences between KDE and Gnome [07:22] gnome is more commonly used [07:23] each has plusses and minuses [07:23] yeah [07:23] you can run kde apps under gnome, but it hauls in almost all of kde [07:23] i pay the price, because evolution doesn't work and Kontact does. [07:24] not sure what apps those are yet [07:24] YMMV applies (your mileage may vary) [07:24] usualy anything with a K stuck somewhere [07:24] like k3b, kontact, korganizer, amarok [07:25] alright [07:27] i also use akregator which is an rss reader. [07:27] woo hoo! I solved the over 1 year mystery with yofels help [07:27] right on [07:27] all I use so far is chrome and xhcat [07:27] lol [07:28] xchat* [07:28] I wanna get a good development IDE on here but not sure which one yet [07:32] what are some good IDE dev enviroments ? [07:50] gunndawg: try eclipse or netbeans [07:53] alright === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohan_chml === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck [11:29] Hi, how do I launch ubuntu-software-center in natty? [11:38] vincenzoml: Have you clicked the button at the top of the sidebar ? [11:39] twager: the ubuntu logo? [11:39] vincenzoml: That's the one [11:39] there I can find a not-so-well-working menu with icons [11:40] twager: there's no software-center there anyway [11:41] vincenzoml: Have you looked in find more apps ? [11:41] twager: yes and for me, it opens anyway the folder containing all the application links [11:41] maybe you have proposed-updates? [11:41] then I'd just have to wait [11:42] Hell yeah. 2.6.38 is in! [11:43] I did an apt-get dist-upgrade this morning [11:44] twager: do you remember if you enabled natty-proposed? [11:45] vincenzoml: No I did not.. [11:46] and when you click on the ubuntu logo, then on "find more apps" the software center is launched? [11:47] vincenzoml: I have been running Natty for a few weeks...For me the software centre is in the side bar but cannot remember how I put it there [11:48] twager: thanks [11:48] vincenzoml: I always use apt or synaptic to control the system [11:48] twager: yes I can survive without it :) [11:48] thanks [11:49] bye [11:50] vincenzoml: NP...Dont forget if you use apt a dist-upgrade -d will allow you to see what you are getting before an install === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:18] Hi all [13:26] hmm. plenty of upgrades today ,anyone have probs? [13:53] Hi. [13:55] BluesKaj: for me PyKDE stuff being held back thanks to new SIP [13:55] other than that, nothing broken yet [13:56] yofel, yeah same here , things seem ok [13:56] hm... make that: "SIP being held back thanks to PyKDE" [13:57] Riddel was working on kdebindings though [13:58] kde upgrade broke some stuff yesterday , but it fixed itself last night with an update [13:59] kubuntu 11.04...trying to open dolphin .... sudo dolphin.....and geting this....KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server: "/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified..Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. [13:59] don't use sudo, use kdesudo [14:00] yofel: that worked.....but i have always used the sudo for that.... [14:01] sudo in natty is more strict in discarding environment settings, seems like that makes dbus unusable in sudo [14:02] ok.... [14:02] dang.....now cant remember where the plymouth folder is...so i can change a background image [14:03] /lib/plymouth/ ? [14:06] yep.....i got it [14:06] now reboot and see how it looks [14:53] ok, aptitude was kind enough to provide a potentially good solution during this X conflict [15:15] hifi, what X conflict ? [15:16] the big Xorg stack upgrade that is currently being pushed [15:16] like the topic says [15:16] there are a lot of packages which conflict with unresolved depencies [15:16] not a conflict per se [15:16] hifi, so it's in the repos ? [15:17] mm, maybe it's just the xorg-edgers ppa [15:17] will reboot to find out what broke [15:18] ok, I'll wait for your return [15:22] xorg-edgers ppa doesn't break X if you had it installed breviously. [15:22] If you didn't, well.. [15:22] stuff to do , BBL [15:52] everything seems to work just fine [15:52] cool [16:08] firefox upgrade cleans cache/cookies etc ? :s [16:09] dupondje, not usually [16:09] weird, firefox upgraded yesterday [16:09] and now I start it, and nothing anymore in cache [16:09] all cookies gone [16:09] s [16:14] places.sqlite was moved to places.sqlite.corrupt [16:14] putted it back [16:14] and it works now [16:14] weirrrd :D === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [17:38] when kubuntu daily cd, with kde 4.6.0? [17:42] !info kde [17:42] Package kde does not exist in natty [17:42] huh? [17:47] does enabling natty-proposed have any effect on the updates yet? [17:47] I wouldn't expect that to be used until natty has been released. [17:49] I just typed sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it says 7 packages are going to be removed. [17:50] Then don't do it. [17:51] okay. It was going to remove: gnome-media-common libbrasero-media1 libdrm-nouveau1 libgnome-media0 nautilus-sendto nautilus-sendto-empathy ubuntu-desktop, which I think would be dangerous removing. [17:51] Why hasn't the 2.6.38 kernel hit the repos if there are i386 and x64 builds ready? [17:51] Gulfstream, iirc, libdrm-nouveau1 is meant to be replaced by libdrm-nouveau1a [17:52] !info libdrm-nouveau1 [17:52] libdrm-nouveau1 (source: libdrm): Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.22-2ubuntu1 (natty), package size 12 kB, installed size 104 kB [17:52] !info libdrm-nouveau1a [17:52] libdrm-nouveau1a (source: libdrm): Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime. In component main, is required. Version 2.4.23-1ubuntu3 (natty), package size 13 kB, installed size 104 kB === TerminX_ is now known as TerminX [19:10] now, I cannot close windows [19:11] and I did run dist-upgrade [19:12] dist-upgrade , to upgrade kde ? [19:17] what does it takes for a package to get from the upload queue to the actual repository ? ( I am waiting for 2.6.38) [19:19] mycroft_, there are many packages that were built after 2.6.38 and that are already avaiable in the repos. [19:19] My theory is that it'll only hit the repos when the armel and powerpc builds finish as well. [19:19] or they are waiting for post alpha2 ? [19:20] armel is finished as well apparently [19:39] Has anybody installed 11.04 comfortably and without issue in VMware player 3.1.3 in 64-bit Linux on an actual AMD64 CPU? [19:40] I keep having issues when I try to install yesterday's daily-live/current iso. [19:40] Am downloading today's now. [19:41] rick_: I have been able to install using the 32 bit daily from 1.24.11 or 1.25.11 [19:41] or was it 1.26.11? [19:41] Gulfstream: I think I may just have a corrupted iso. Some others tell me they've had no issues with Narwhal even since earlier this month. [19:43] okay... well.. I have to close firefox to open terminal and maybe get some issues fixed... If I'm not back in 15 minutes, then I am most likely having to reinstall because of the dist-upgrade [19:45] * BluesKaj wonders why he insists on using dist-upgrade [19:46] I ran compiz --replace in terminal and things are working okay [19:46] * BluesKaj wonders what Gulfstream is using dist-upgrade for? [19:47] BluesKaj: to update some packages that are required to be updated for Software Center to work properly [19:48] Gulfstream: Did you continue your upgrade after you said before that it wanted to remove some packages? [19:48] no, I updated the package lists and then I ran dist-upgrade [19:49] Gulfstream: Did it still remove things? [19:49] Pici: yes, 7 things, and the same 7 things that would have been removed earlier. Since they didn't seem required, I ran dist-upgrade [19:50] just refreshed package list. Running upgrade. [19:53] * BluesKaj just use apt or aptitude then autoclean or autoremove [19:53] Gulfstream: which packages did it remove? [19:53] Gulfstream: Nevermind, I scrolled up. [19:55] Gulfstream: Sometimes that happens if the updated packages simply aren't available yet, and you shouldn't upgrade. [19:55] Gulfstream: Like the message in the topic states regarding Xorg. [19:56] Pici: Is there a way to update the packages that the Software Center required without removing the others? [19:57] Gulfstream: aptitude will give you options of what you'd like to do instead. [20:05] have downloaded jan 27 build, attempting install now. [20:06] rick_: daily live or daily? [20:06] daily-live [20:07] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [20:07] rick_: Please let me know what happens - if it installs or not. I am currently downloading the daily-live image. [20:08] Gulfstream: It's already gotten further than the 1-26 build. :-) [20:08] Nice! [20:08] Gulfstream: Same error. It gets to the part where it's copying files, and then throws "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error and will now reboot." [20:09] That's saddening [20:09] Gulfstream: I had changed the # of cpus and deleted the floppy disk driver when creating the vm. I'm leaving everything default now to see if it works. [20:11] Gulfstream: Same error. [20:13] Gulfstream: Was 64-bit version on 64-bit machine running VMware player 3.1.3. [20:13] Gulfstream: Downloading 32-bit version now to see if it will work. [20:13] yeah, try the 32-bit version [20:18] any way to get my netspeed applet in the panel in unity? [20:19] Gulfstream, sending my stick back for refund :) [20:19] mongy, no. Unity panel is completely uncompatible with gnome panel applets [20:20] Daekdroom, hmm, anything similar I can have visible ? I dont want conky though [20:20] Sorry, I have no idea on a replacement. [20:20] I like to glance and see my speeds without much effort [20:23] Gulfstream: 26 minutes remaining... :-) [20:24] rick_: 1 hour remaining (I just restarted the donwload) [20:37] Rick2: I am assuming you were rick_? [20:37] Gulfstream: Yes. [20:50] Rick2: done downloading? [20:53] Gulfstream: Just finished. Attempting install. [21:04] Gulfstream: appears to be working, though taking a long time on creating ext4 partition [21:14] Rick2: has it finished? [21:17] Gulfstream: Nope. Locked up apparently on the create ext4 [21:18] Rick2: That's even more saddening... [21:19] hm, I tried to install a few days ago, mkfs.ext4 about 5 minutes, but it did finish [21:20] *took about 5 minutes [21:20] yofel: I'm letting it keep running. [21:20] yofel: It's responding to mouse events, so I can cycle through the features. But, still taking forever. [21:28] yofel, Gulfstream: Still sitting there. :-) [21:34] Rick2: I would abort the installation process. [21:34] +1, that's too long.. [21:36] yofel, Gulfstream: Yeah, I aborted. Tried again using some alternate settings. Nothing seems to work. [21:47] I installed mine today, from a daily. [21:47] is that the problem? with a daily? [21:51] mongy: Installing in VMware player 3.1.3 for Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64. Fails in both 32-bit and 64-bit natty installs. I have Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000, Ubuntu 10.04, and 10.10 64-bit modes all installed just fine. Just natty won't. [21:57] ah vmware.. I stopped using it because it would never work with newer kerneles [21:57] kernels* [21:57] and would never offer any kind of support [21:59] mongy: Never had any problems with vmware until today, if that's the issue. [21:59] It was a few years ago I used it, I switched to vbox by then and not looked back.... [22:00] the times before any 'free' version [22:01] mongy: I began using vmware in Ubuntu 7.04, an player 2.1 I believe. Never had any issues whatsoever, except that my computer's 3d card wasn't recognized, so no accelerated 3d graphics. Today, with my newer graphics card, not an issue either. Everything works. [22:01] mongy: Only other issue I ever had was trying to resume a suspended machine on a different CPU. Sometimes it would work, most times it wouldn't. [22:02] ok..well just saying it was a recurring theme at the time for me with vmware. [22:02] every kernel newer than vmware would require a patch for vmware tools... [22:02] I got tired of it. [22:03] mongy: Hmm... it may be that vmware doesn't work with natty since it's not released yet. [22:03] mongy: Will try vbox. [22:03] yeah, thats half what it was at the time... distros with kernels newer than vmware [22:04] newer than vmwares knowledge [22:06] mongy: If true, really speaks of the fragile nature of vmware, that it's not a full emulation, but a "mostly emulation" with some hacks added on to fix install-specific issues. BAD if true. [22:07] the guests worked, just the vmware tools wouldnt build without some patch [22:08] guests without any accel arent nice to use [22:08] mongy: They're tolerable, but if they're full emulation, meaning no native execution on underlying hardware, that's when it's awful. [22:09] mongy: I read recently of the Godson-B Chinese CPU that's coming. MIPS-based, with instructions for x86-emulation, allowing for 70% native speed execution. That CPU will be able to run in cell phones, and at 1.2 GHz would provide support close to 800 MHz speed for any x86 software. A big thing coming. [22:10] mongy: Imagine running Ubuntu inside of hte android OS in your phone, and at near desktop speeds. [22:11] China is scary [22:12] mongy: in vbox, how to setup a cd/dvd? [22:12] mongy: I want it to point to iso [22:12] mongy: figured it out [22:14] mongy: Installing in vbox now... seems to be working [22:15]