[01:25] <RAOF> TheMuso: Around for a little light -intel sponsoring?  I'd quite like intel users to be able to get to X after updating :/
[01:27] <sabdfl> that sounds useful :-)
[01:28] <RAOF> Yeah.  I'm a fan of not-black-screens after boot :)
[01:31] <rickspencer3> ok, got to step away
[01:31] <rickspencer3> will come back and kick mrpes2 some more after some food ;)
[01:40] <TheMuso> RAOF: Sorry had my head burried in code. If not already sponsored, plesae point me to something I can review. :)
[01:40] <TheMuso> gah typing
[01:40] <RAOF> TheMuso: StevenK got to it before you.  You could endorse my core-dev application though :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisHalseRogers/CoreDevApplication
[01:41] <TheMuso> Yes, I could, will look after lunch, thanks for the URL.
[01:41]  * TheMuso -> lunch
[04:24] <RAOF> Anyone want to sponsor an xserver-xorg-input-synaptics upload? :)
[04:27] <TheMuso> RAOF: Sure.
[04:28] <RAOF> http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[04:28] <TheMuso> Cheers.
[04:29] <TheMuso> RAOF: You left out the other changelog entries from Debian since the last merge.
[04:29] <RAOF> Bah.  So I did.
[04:29] <RAOF> Thanks.
[04:29] <TheMuso> np
[04:31] <RAOF> Updated.
[04:33] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[04:34] <TheMuso> Thats better.
[04:35]  * TheMuso test builds.
[04:43] <TheMuso> RAOF: Uploading.
[04:44] <RAOF> Rockin'
[04:45] <RAOF> Thanks.
[04:46] <TheMuso> np
[05:04] <broder> grr. wasn't it possible to run compiz under vmware as of maverick? it keeps falling back to metacity for me right now
[05:04] <broder> maybe my guest tools got borked somehow
[05:06] <RAOF> Unity has requirements above and beyond those of Compiz.  If that's what you're trying, that's what you might be running into.
[05:07] <broder> no, i'm just trying to run straight compiz in my maverick vm
[05:10] <RAOF> I therefore have nothing to say :/
[05:11]  * broder shrugs
[05:11] <broder> i'll try the actual vmware tools instead of open-vm-tools and see if that helps
[05:13] <broder> RAOF: how much compiz hacking have you done? i'm trying to figure out if the activateWindow function (i.e. CompWindow::activate() in the new world order) will move you between workspaces
[05:14] <RAOF> I've done no compiz hacking at all.
[05:14] <RAOF> I'm not the droid you are looking for :)
[05:14] <broder> fair enough :). maybe i'll bug didrocks if i'm still awake when he shows up
[05:14] <broder> (or maybe i'll get compiz running in my vm and can find out for myself)
[07:24] <pitti> broder: server-side dbus doesn't work yet from python with gdbus, I'm afraid
[07:24] <pitti> Good morning
[07:26] <broder> pitti: ah, so python-dbus is still the way to go for that, then?
[07:30] <Smaug> hello all.  I have installed ubuntu 10.4 on my computer via Wubi.  My wireless internet is not working.  It does not detect any networks.  My wireless card is an Intel 4965AGN.  Can anyone offer me some help?
[07:32] <broder> !support | Smaug
[07:32] <ubot2> Smaug: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[07:33] <Smaug> thanks
[07:42] <pitti> broder: I'm afraid so, yes
[07:44] <bentech4you> any one please explain this script wget /dev/null -o /dev/null http://$1/ &
[07:46] <RAOF> pitti: Good morning
[07:46] <pitti> hey RAOF
[07:47] <pitti> bentech4you: the first /dev/null makes no sense
[07:53] <bentech4you> k..-0 /dev/null means output redirect to null file na..?
[07:54] <bentech4you> http://$1/ & ..i am confused with this
[07:56] <pitti> bentech4you: that's -O, not 0 or o
[07:56] <pitti> that's the output file, yes; the argument is the URL you want to download,and the & runs that in the backgroud
[07:56] <pitti> as you are apparently not interested in the page content, tihs is by and large a "ping" to that web site
[07:59] <bentech4you> but $1 means a variable something na.?
[08:02] <pitti> yes, first command line argument
[08:09] <didrocks> good morning
[08:19] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:20] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how are you?
[08:20] <pitti> I'm great, how about you?
[08:20] <pitti> didrocks: happy release day!
[08:20] <didrocks> pitti: hehe, I hope it will be a happy day :)
[08:20] <didrocks> otherwise, I'm fine, thanks :)
[08:29] <mvo> hey didrocks and pitti
[08:29] <pitti> hey mvo
[08:29] <mvo> gooood morning
[08:29] <pitti> guuuuten Morrrrrrrrrrrrgen!
[08:29] <didrocks> good morning mvo
[08:29]  * pitti takes his Halsectomy gun and kills of the last remaining stragglers in main
[08:30] <mvo> bammm :)
[08:38] <didrocks> poor Hal :)
[08:48] <pitti> bryceh, RAOF: in your next xorg-server upload, would you mind dropping the libhal-dev build dependency?
[08:49] <pitti> bryceh, RAOF: the udev backend is working well enough, and we don't really support hal any more, so I'd really like to drop it to universe
[08:59] <seb128> hey
[08:59] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:00] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[09:07] <mvo> mpt: around? I'm just fixing some gwibber integratin in software-center and I would like to remove the link to apt.ubuntu.com for now until we provide a basic page on the webserver. currently it shows "you appear to be not running ubuntu" when clicking on the link
[09:07] <mvo> mpt: the other one I would like is "reviewed %(appname)s in Ubuntu Software Center: %(rating)s %(summary)s %(link)s")" i.e. mention ubuntu in the twitter line (and/or software center)
[09:07] <mvo> mpt: what do you think?
[09:10] <didrocks> pitti: FYI, just a second prototype of places are landing today, the rest will land on Monday (discussed with the dx team, there is no way they have time to land all the places work today with enough quality). However, to ensure we have the right CD space, I'll still recommends unity-places-* so that this + zg get back on the CD
[09:10] <mpt> mvo, those two are related. If it ends with a link to an ubuntu.com domain, and especially once that goes to a page talking about Ubuntu, it's not necessary to mention Ubuntu a second time.
[09:10] <pitti> didrocks: ah, good
[09:10] <mpt> mvo, in either case, though, "in Ubuntu Software Center" takes a lot of characters away from the review summary.
[09:10] <didrocks> sorry for the delay, but better to get something working than crashing quite often like now :)
[09:11] <mpt> mvo, how about just "in Ubuntu" for now?
[09:11] <mvo> mpt: sounds good to me
[09:13] <mvo> mpt: thanks! and in the next call we need to bring up the issue that apt.ubuntu.com is really not that great for non-ubuntu people yet
[09:15] <pitti> Riddell: ok for me to drop the hal dependency of libqtserviceframework1?
[09:15] <pitti> Riddell: the package doesn't build-depend on libhal-dev anyway, so it doesn't even have hal functionality
[09:15] <pitti> Riddell: and it'll get rid of another package on the Kubuntu CDs then :)
[09:15] <pitti> oh, it's not actually on the CDs
[09:16] <pitti> but still, keeps hal in main
[09:16] <Riddell> pitti: mm, well it certainly uses hal
[09:16] <Riddell> actually it's more a question for the mobile people I think
[09:17] <pitti> how?
[09:17] <pitti> ./plugins/contacts/symbian/contactsmodel/tsrc/t_groups.cpp:#include <hal.h>
[09:17] <pitti> ./plugins/contacts/symbian/contactsmodel/tsrc/t_utils.h:#include <hal.h>
[09:17] <pitti> that's the only two instances I can find
[09:17] <pitti> and it doesn't build-dep on hal
[09:18] <pitti> ah, it directly talks to DBus
[09:18] <Riddell> yes, it's Qt mobility's hardware library
[09:19] <Riddell> I'm ok with losing that feature, it's not something KDE cares about, we could move hal to a recommend or suggest, but we should probably check with the mobile people as I say
[09:20] <pitti> I'll file a bug on Debian and Ubuntu
[09:20] <pitti> and we can drop it once it's the only remaining dependency?
[09:21] <Riddell> k3b still uses hal too, although I don't think the package depends on it, I need to package the new upstream version to fix that
[09:23] <kamstrup> didrocks: do you know the state of the zg 0.7 packaging?
[09:23]  * Riddell slightly surprised to learn that qtmobility sources also list every public toilet in New South Wales
[09:24] <didrocks> kamstrup: I discussed last week with RainCT and he told me that he'll get it in debian this week, then we will merge from it, why?
[09:25] <pitti> Riddell: do you know why qtmobility is in main in the first place? only for qtwebkit? the MIR hasn't even been approved yet
[09:27] <pitti> qmf apparently was also pre-promoted and is already in mian
[09:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: oh, no biggie, I just wanted to make sure we got it in, because there is a range of nice optimizations in there
[09:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think it won't be for alpha2 TBH, but I'll ensure we have it just after
[09:38] <Riddell> pitti: yes, qtwebkit needs libqtmultimediakit1 from qtmobility
[09:53] <huats> morning
[09:54] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, that's fine by me
[09:55] <didrocks> hey huats!
[09:55] <huats> hello didrocks !
[09:57] <pitti> didrocks: do you know if the new release by any chance fix the "menus appear under all windows" proble?
[09:57] <pitti> m
[09:57] <didrocks> pitti: it's compiz, and yeah it is
[09:57] <pitti> \o/
[09:57] <didrocks> pitti: but we had new issues
[09:57] <didrocks> pitti: you can already have it in the ubuntu-desktop ppa
[09:58] <didrocks> pitti: I'm backporting new fixes to fix the other issues (bugs #707853  and #707852)
[09:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 707853 in compiz "Window geometry isn't restored" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707853
[09:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 707852 in compiz "all window appears to the top left corner" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707852
[09:58] <didrocks> but there is an ABI break, so I'm rebuiding everything :)
[09:59] <pitti> micahg: do you keep thunderbird in VCS somewhere? I'd like to remove the unnecessary libhal-dev build dep
[10:49] <rodrigo_> how do I remove a firefox extension by hand? it's preventing firefox from starting and makes it crash all the time
[10:52] <Laney> start it in safe mode
[10:53] <RAOF> pitti: I'm happy drop libhal in the next xserver upload.
[10:53] <pitti> RAOF: \o/ cheers
[10:53] <pitti> RAOF: just talked to some other guys about the remaining rdepends, and it looks like we can get rid of all of them in natty :)
[10:54] <RAOF> Which should, agents of chaos willing, be tomorrow.
[10:54]  * pitti tears apart a rubber chicken to put them into a graceful mood
[11:13] <didrocks> RAOF: excellent :)
[11:13] <didrocks> RAOF: btw, is the nvidia with the new Xorg stack available?
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, you can also just delete the extension from your profile folder (~/.mozilla/firefox/<random_name>/extensions/<extension_id>
[11:20] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[11:22] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, hmm, that folder is empty
[11:23] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, this is ff 4
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, in natty? how did you install the extension?
[11:23] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, it's from ff 3, I guess it just got updated and crashes ff
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> it should be in the extensions folder though :/
[11:25] <rodrigo_> so, how do I start it in safe mode?
[11:25] <rodrigo_> ah, -safe-mode
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, "firefox -safe-mode" should do it
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> do you know what extension makes it crash btw?
[11:29] <rodrigo_> ok, now the buggy extensios are disabled
[11:29] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yes, so far yoono and jsonview
[11:29] <rodrigo_> checking the others
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> you don't happen to have moonlight installed do you?
[11:30] <rodrigo_> no
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> ah, that's ok then
[11:30] <rodrigo_> and yes, those 2 are the buggy ones, the others seem to work
[11:31] <chrisccoulson> moonlight will definately crash it, it's pretty much the most frequent crash being reported to mozilla from ubuntu users now
[11:31] <chrisccoulson> i suspect that will end up being blacklisted
[11:32] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, do either of those extensions ship binary components?
[11:33] <rodrigo_> hmm, let me see, I guess so
[11:33] <chrisccoulson> i hope so ;)
[11:36] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, where should I look? ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random_name>/extensions/ is empty
[11:36] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm confused about why that is empty, do you have any other folders in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[11:37] <chrisccoulson> in any case, it would be worth installing firefox-dbg and then running it in gdb just to see where it crashes
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> you can run firefox in gdb with "firefox -g"
[11:38] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson,  ls ~/.mozilla/firefox
[11:38] <rodrigo_> console.log  Crash Reports  i8scanam.josmprofile  pluginreg.dat  profiles.ini
[11:39] <rodrigo_> ok,m running it in gdb
[11:45] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, http://pastebin.com/pwqj5d1d
[11:46] <rodrigo_> this is with yoono extension enabled, doesn't crash if I disable it
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> interesting, so, it's not crashing inside native code provided by the extension
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> do you get a crash dialog? would be worth submitting that one to mozilla
[11:48] <rodrigo_> yes, already submitted a few times :-)
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> i'll install that extension later and see if i get the same
[11:49] <rodrigo_> ok thanks
[11:53] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson: around?
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> ari-tczew, yeah, i am
[11:54] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson: PM ?
[11:54] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sure
[12:03] <ari-tczew> does anybody know when can I catch Robert Ancell ?
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> he's 11 hours ahead of me, so it's 11pm for him now
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> and i think he's at LCA this week too
[12:06] <ari-tczew> I'd like to merge bluez and sponsor by him :)
[12:06] <seb128> hey ari-tczew, could you stop that?
[12:07] <seb128> don't request sponsoring by someone specific but just let sponsors of the day do their work
[12:07] <seb128> btw didn't we say yesterday that gedit was not worth doing a merge and upload?
[12:07] <ari-tczew> seb128: chrisccoulson agreed to upload
[12:08] <ari-tczew> seb128: I can stop contributing if you like
[12:08] <seb128> ...
[12:08] <czajkowski> ari-tczew: I'm sure seb128 isn't saying don't contribute, just perhaps finding someone on IRC may not be the best solution, either pm or mail them
[12:08] <chrisccoulson> i said i'd sponsor it because it has a bug fix from debian that is worth taking :)
[12:08] <seb128> you are not easy are you?
[12:08] <ari-tczew> seb128: that's life
[12:08] <ari-tczew> you won't cooperate only with people which you like
[12:09] <ari-tczew> you have to get to use
[12:09] <seb128> nobody else has been trying to do what you are doing and select their sponsors
[12:09] <seb128> but nobody got issues getting endorsements for membership due to it
[12:09] <seb128> you are creating extra work and confusion for no reason
[12:09] <ari-tczew> don't worry, only until FeatureFreeze
[12:10] <seb128> well you are creating extra work for a while now
[12:10] <seb128> so maybe it's time to stop doing that
[12:10] <ari-tczew> seb128: ok I'm stoppping contribution
[12:11] <seb128> ari-tczew, ok, you're call
[12:11] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson: please sponsor these 2 merges and I won't do anything anymore
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> ari-tczew, i'll sponsor those in a bit
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[12:12] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: is it normal that firefox uses a lot of memory when you browse lots of images?
[12:13] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, it depends on what sort of images, and how big they are ;)
[12:13] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: I can easily pump firefox up to 1GB (and add ~300MB to Xorg process) by just reading comics ;)
[12:13] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: not that big
[12:13] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, have you got any examples?
[12:14] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: hmm..
[12:14] <kklimonda> now this is an embarassing moment, when I have to admit I'm reading manga ;)
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> someone did report a bug a while ago where viewing a particularly large image caused firefox to allocate so many X resources that the system died
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:15] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: I think you can reproduce it by opening http://somemangas.com/manga/Holyland/1 and reading one page at a time..
[12:18] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, thanks. it doesn't seem to go crazy here though :(
[12:19] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: bah, it's going to be a nightmare to reproduce it then ;)
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, are you on nvidia?
[12:22] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: indeed :)
[12:22] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: closed driver
[12:22] <kklimonda> (I can't use nouveau, it brings computer to knees when I open web pages with a lot of images like google image search)
[12:33] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, the nvidia drivers are the only supported drivers where you can create a GL context in firefox right now
[12:33] <chrisccoulson> not sure if that's at all related ;)
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> i was trying to figure out a way you could stop it from doing that, but it doesn't seem like it without patching it
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/c07c9b91ec4d/gfx/thebes/GLContextProviderGLX.cpp#l228
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i should override it and see ;)
[12:36] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: we could try, but I do seem to recall that happening earlier and this change is rather new?
[12:36] <kklimonda> I can't be sure of that - I tend to forget unimportant (to me) things rather fast :)
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> i think only the whitelist is new
[13:09] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:11] <didrocks> hey cyphermox :)
[13:13] <cyphermox> seb128, re the libgdata7 dep in e-d-s: I filed a merge request -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/evolution-data-server/libgdata7-nbs/+merge/47598
[13:42] <lool> pitti: Hey, we're currently using some really dumb distutils based setup.py in a Linaro component right now, and I was considering python-distutils-extra to replace that; I was asked whether we should use setuptools though; I guess you'd recommend distutils-extra, is it a superset of setuptools, or do you know what possible features we'd miss?  :-)
[13:43] <pitti> lool: TBH I haven't used setuptools myself
[13:43] <pitti> but it certainly doesn't do things like mo file building, icon installation, etc.
[13:44] <lool> Ok; thanks
[13:46] <lool> pitti: How to you roll apport and/or jockey release tarballs?
[13:46] <lool> sdist?
[13:46] <lool> doesn't that generate a MANIFEST and stuff
[13:46] <pitti> right
[13:47] <pitti> lool: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jockey-hackers/jockey/trunk/view/head:/do-release is what I use for jockey
[13:48] <pitti> it does a few more things
[13:48] <lool> pitti: thanks
[13:53] <micahg> pitti: should be lp:thunderbird
[13:54] <micahg> pitti: the problem is we use that branch for dailies as well, that's why I didn't drop it
[13:55] <pitti> micahg: but the code doesn't use hal anywhere, so I uploaded a new natty version which just drops it
[13:56] <micahg> pitti: still listed in the system requirements: http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/system-requirements/
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> i think they need to update that ;)
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> i can't think why HAL would have ever been required
[13:58] <micahg> pitti: we need to upload a new version to natty anyways, we can drop it
[13:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's nowhere in the code
[13:59] <pitti> micahg: ok, thanks
[13:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unless you were waiting until after alpha2 for 3.1.8
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, i was just waiting until the official announcement for the 3.1.8 builds
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> which was this morning or late yesterday i think
[14:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, ok
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> oh, the bzr branch is out of date ;)
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti!
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[14:02] <pitti> It didn't have Vcs-Bzr:, and I didn't get an IRC response, so I uploaded; but I'm happy to send you a debdiff
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> heh, it's ok. i can fix it ;)
[14:02] <pitti> ok, thanks
[14:06] <cyphermox> could someone please take another look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu/natty/evolution-rss/688776.stan+debfixes/+merge/47090 ? :)
[14:07] <micahg> cyphermox: I commented last week, but didn't receive an update e-mail sorry, can look tonight if no one gets to it sooner
[14:07] <cyphermox> micahg, oh, ok
[14:08] <cyphermox> I don't know why you don't receive update emails but I addressed your comments. thanks ;)
[14:09] <kklimonda> hmm, firefox doesn't warn me when I close window with multiple tabs opened (I have the option selected in preferences)
[14:09] <micahg> cyphermox: ah, I think because there was no follow up comment
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, that's intentional (see mozilla bug 592822)
[14:09] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 592822 in General "Remove quit warning dialog" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592822
[14:10] <cyphermox> micahg, oh, i'll take note of that from now on :)
[14:10] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: can I reenable the previous behaviour?
[14:10] <micahg> cyphermox: maybe merge proposals should send code update notices as well, idk
[14:11] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: I've somehow managed to close the window twice ;)
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, you can turn on the warning again by changing the value of browser.warnOnQuit in about:config
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, the session is saved by default still though, so you can restore it from the history menu
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> what will most likely happen is that there will be a "restore previous session" button in about:home
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> but that is no use for us, because we change the default homepage to our own ;)
[14:13] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: can you add one?
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, not really. our homepage is online, whereas the firefox home page is all local content
[14:13] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, that would be cool on our's
[14:13] <kenvandine> bummer
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i've been thinking of implementing a homepage using offline content ;)
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> but obviously, that would only work in firefox ;)
[14:14] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, what's the status of the global menu in natty?  i am so loving it :)
[14:14] <kenvandine> yay for consistency!
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> it would also avoid the hacks we have now where we select a different homepage URL depending on your search engine
[14:15] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: well, it may be worth considering if Firefox changes the behaviour and relies on its home page for providing nice user experience.
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> because, if it's local content, you can detect the users search engine locally, and get the search URL from the local search plugin
[14:15] <kklimonda> the "Restore previous session" in the history menu isn't as accessible.
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, yeah, that sucks. i'm considering reverting that pref in ubufox for now. the new behaviour is really broken for anybody not using the firefox start page
[14:24] <mterry> bratsche, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gtk/ubuntu-f10 for me?  I didn't want to push it without you looking at it
[14:26] <pitti> seb128: would you mind if I updated gtk-doc to 1.16? it allegedly fixes out-of-tree builds
[14:26] <pitti> which I need for udev; the current hack that I have there breaks the gir
[14:26] <seb128> pitti, not at all
[14:26] <seb128> go for it
[14:27] <bratsche> mterry: Does this also catch things like Alt-F and stuff?
[14:27] <seb128> hey mterry, can you make sure your pending changes are on ted's review list before he rolls tarballs today?
[14:27] <mterry> bratsche, no, those are already caught
[14:27] <bratsche> Oh you're right.
[14:27] <bratsche> Nevermind.
[14:27] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin,
[14:27] <GunnarHj> pitti: https://launchpad.net/bugs/693337
[14:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693337 in language-selector "Menus for choosing language should have one option per available translation" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:27] <mterry> bratsche, though...  when holding down alt, the menus should appear with the mnemonic showing.
[14:27] <GunnarHj> pitti: please...
[14:27] <GunnarHj> pitti: Start with gdm if you are pressed for time.
[14:28] <mterry> seb128, sure.  tedg, hi!
[14:28] <bratsche> mterry: On my system the global menu is invisible until my mouse enters the top panel.
[14:28] <tedg> Good morning mterry
[14:28] <bratsche> Is that a bug, or is that a feature?
[14:28] <tedg> bratsche, Feature
[14:28] <mterry> bratsche, I know, I'm describing how I'd like it to be (how it is without global menus)
[14:29] <mterry> tedg, a missing feature, right?
[14:29] <tedg> mterry, ?
[14:29] <mterry> tedg, "when holding down alt, the menus should appear with the mnemonic showing."
[14:29] <bratsche> mterry: Right, but I'm saying.. if you hit alt, where do you show mnemonics if there's no menubar in your panel until your mouse enters it?
[14:29] <tedg> mterry, Oh, the holding down Alt?  That's missing, but hidden is a feature.
[14:29] <mterry> bratsche, I'm saying holding down alt should show the menu
[14:29] <tedg> bratsche, We've got a libindicator signal to tell the panel to show them.
[14:29] <bratsche> Oh, oh.. I get it.
[14:30] <bratsche> mterry: Anyway, I don't have time to test this patch right now, but the code looks good so I'll approve it.
[14:30] <mterry> tedg, but anyway, I wanted to check if you could squeeze in my various branches before release?  Let me get a list of outstanding ones
[14:30] <mterry> bratsche, OK  :)
[14:31] <mterry> tedg, the two toggle-state-is-int branches (whose merges got deleted somehow?  did you do that?) and the misc-fixes branch (which is part of your parser refactor branch now it seems)
[14:32] <seb128> tedg, hey
[14:32] <tedg> mterry, Yeah, I deleted them because I put it in the dbusmenu-gtk parser directly.  And the pending merges it libappindicator and appmenu-gtk remove all that code.
[14:32] <seb128> is that a known crasher?
[14:32] <seb128> #0  theme_changed_cb (theme=0x9fb5840, user_data=0xa03e820)
[14:32] <seb128>     at /build/buildd/libappindicator-0.2.91.1/./src/app-indicator.c:1279
[14:32] <tedg> mterry, I thought I send a mail about that, no?
[14:33] <tedg> mterry, Yeah, I just grabbed misc-fixes as well.  All that parser code is going in dbusmenu today.
[14:33] <tedg> mterry, So, I got all those, and they're already planned to go in :)
[14:34] <tedg> seb128, Hmm, no... is there more to the error?
[14:34] <mterry> tedg, no, I don't remember an email about it.  OK, I will drop my re-merge requests
[14:34] <seb128> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/559019/
[14:35] <seb128> tedg, it's the policykit-agent crashing sometimes when using update-manager
[14:35] <mterry> tedg, well, I remember you talking about the new parser code, but not that it obsoleted toggle-state-is-int branches
[14:36] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, odd, they're in my sent folder but they don't seem to be on the merges. :-/  Anyway, here's the link to where I merged it in: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ted/dbusmenu/now-with-parsing/revision/208
[14:36] <tedg> seb128, Uhg, okay.
[14:36] <mterry> tedg, awesome, thanks
[14:37] <seb128> tedg, ok, let's not bother with that now then, deal with this week updates and I will file a bug on the updated stack if that's still an issue
[14:38] <tedg> seb128, Cool, thanks!
[14:42] <pitti> seb128: argh, doesn't fix it; but oh well, it at least still works, so I'll upload it anyway
[14:42] <seb128> pitti, ok
[14:46] <mvo> pitti: could you do a quick sanity check if http://paste.ubuntu.com/559028/ makes sense? invocing apt-xapian-index from s-c via dbus gave me introspect errors recently
[14:47] <pitti> mvo: oh, that's a system daemon?
[14:49] <pitti> mvo: checked, looks good
[14:50] <mvo> pitti: thanks! it supports working as a system daemon, but only on demand etc :)
[15:01] <pitti> chrisccoulson: xulrunner-1.9.2 will eventually be dropped from natty/main?
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yes. the only thing pulling it in is swt-gtk, and i have a patch for that
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> but i can't test it, because all apps using it crash on start
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> but did already
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> so i'm not sure what to do :/
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you want to sponsor the upload anyway? :)
[15:03] <pitti> chrisccoulson: crash because of the new version, or they crash with the current one as well?
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, they don't work with the current one either
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 703618
[15:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703618 in tuxguitar "[natty] UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3555 or swt-pi-gtk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703618
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> all the apps i'm trying to test have the same problem :)
[15:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I can upload it, sure
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> and i don't know enough about java to figure it out. i've checked all the obvious things already
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll get that ready in a bit
[15:37] <mvo> pitti: just looking over the software-properties merge. pack_start() has no default arguments anymore? is there a plan to readd them in python - IMO it is a bit sad to loose them
[15:38] <pitti> mvo: that was discussed, and even committed to pygobject, but reverted afterwards
[15:38] <pitti> mvo: the reason is that we should stay very close to the official GTK API
[15:39] <mvo> fair enough also I can not say that I sympathize with that much. but *shrug* a case for something like qwidgets
[15:41] <pitti> mvo: there's of course a conflict between making them as comfortable as the old pygtk, and not breaking the existing GTK documentation
[16:20] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:20] <didrocks> good night pitti
[16:23] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:29] <scott-work> didrocks: do you have time to help me more with setting gnome-classic as the default xsession?
[16:29] <didrocks> scott-work: not really today, sorry :/
[16:29] <scott-work> didrocks: completely understandable and i understand
[16:29] <didrocks> scott-work: tomorrow?
[16:29] <scott-work> didrocks: tomorrow would be outstanding for me :)
[16:29] <scott-work> didrocks: approximately this same time?
[16:30] <didrocks> scott-work: sounds good :)
[16:30] <scott-work> didrocks: thanks again
[16:30] <didrocks> yw :)
[16:39] <bcurtiswx> unity is trying to be removed.. darn.. i want to try out the snap features!
[16:39]  * bcurtiswx gets impatient for cool updates he can't get :P
[16:41] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you use amd64?
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes sir
[16:41] <seb128> k
[16:41] <seb128> because the i386 update is already downloadable
[16:41] <seb128> it's likely amd64 is behind
[16:42]  * bcurtiswx kicks all amd64 builders
[16:43] <didrocks> yeah, I retried the build later for amd64
[16:43] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: you will need to unity --reset btw
[16:43] <bcurtiswx> OK
[16:43] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: did you get the new compiz already?
[16:44] <bcurtiswx> its waiting, but it tries to remove unity
[16:44] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, ^^
[16:44] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: yeah, because of the ABI breakage
[16:44] <bcurtiswx> Application Background Interface?
[16:44] <didrocks> the packaging is ensuring telling that for you instead of silently update and then, you can't remove :)
[16:45] <didrocks> *Binary*
[16:45] <bcurtiswx> i was close
[16:45] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, thanks for working on that libgdata rdepends issue
[16:46] <cyphermox> seb128, np. thanks for the reminder yesterday
[16:46] <seb128> yw
[16:46] <seb128> ok, time for another round of compiz testing
[16:46] <seb128> brb
[16:46] <cyphermox> I also fixed lunar-applet this morning
[16:47] <bcurtiswx> brb, gonna move to a more comfortable place, sharing a small couch both having laptops isn't good
[16:55] <bcurtiswx> i dont' need anything but main for natty right.. the rest come into play after final release
[17:01] <bcurtiswx> where'd didrocks go?
[17:01] <bcurtiswx> aww
[17:01] <bcurtiswx> well anyone who deals with unity, i did the unity --reset http://paste.ubuntu.com/559095/
[17:02] <seb128> bcurtiswx, what issue do you have?
[17:03] <bcurtiswx> there's no issue with unity, other than the two filesystems show on the side panel but at question mark icons
[17:03] <seb128> what is the log for then?
[17:04] <bcurtiswx> i guess just to be a help
[17:04] <bcurtiswx> sry?
[17:05] <seb128> well I just started IRC and you give a pastbin with a log and no context
[17:05] <seb128> so I was wondering if you need help with something
[17:05] <seb128> or what the pastbin is for there?
[17:05] <bcurtiswx> seb128, oh thanks! but i just gave that because there were some critical sections to the log, but my unity seems to be running OK
[17:05] <seb128> k
[17:05] <seb128> those are not new
[17:06] <seb128> don't worry about the warning for now
[17:06] <bcurtiswx> OK, I didn't know
[17:09] <seb128> bcurtiswx, but feel free to open bugs about those if you want
[18:17]  * mterry notices that gtk+3.0 also isn't in the desktop set
[18:17] <seb128> weird I though kenvandine ran into that one before
[18:18] <seb128> he might have got upload rights at that time though and didn't ask for it to be solved
[19:31] <nessita> tedg: ping
[19:38] <didrocks> time for dinner!
[19:38] <tedg> nessita, pong
[19:39] <didrocks> see you tomorrow :)
[19:39] <nessita> tedg: hi! I was wondering if you could help me with the following issue: I have the /usr/share/indicators/me/ubuntuone.menu file with a single line in it: the path to a desktop file, and that file gets properly installed. Any idea why Ubuntu One is not appearing in the me-menu?
[19:40] <tedg> nessita, Because I don't think that indicator-me reads those files...
[19:40] <tedg> nessita, kenvandine or dbarth__ might know.
[19:41] <dobey> tedg: it worked in maverick
[19:41] <dobey> tedg: because that's how you told me to do it :)
[19:42] <nessita> tedg: ok, I guess that changed on natty? like dobey said, it used to work on maverick
[19:42] <nessita> kenvandine: ping
[19:42] <kenvandine> looking
[19:44] <nessita> kenvandine: thanks!
[19:44] <kenvandine> nessita, it looks like it doesn't care about files in that directory at all
[19:44] <kenvandine> it is hard coded
[19:44] <kenvandine> if ubuntuone-preferences exists, it gets displayed
[19:44] <kenvandine> good timing for dbarth to drop off :)
[19:45] <nessita> kenvandine: how can we change that to be 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk'?
[19:45] <kenvandine> nessita, so that should be changed to the control panel right?
[19:45] <kenvandine> i can do that
[19:45] <kenvandine> but we should make that dynamic
[19:45] <nessita> kenvandine: I agree. Do you need a bug report?
[19:45] <kenvandine> nessita, i'll fix that asap
[19:45] <nessita> thanks!
[19:45] <kenvandine> nessita, please do
[19:45] <nessita> against... indicator-me?
[19:45] <kenvandine> yes
[19:50] <nessita> kenvandine: bug #708842
[19:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708842 in indicator-me "Should load services list from /usr/share/indicators/me directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708842
[20:12] <bcurtiswx> hmm, is it known that unity breaks with an alt+tab
[20:12] <bcurtiswx> or is it compliz
[20:13] <bcurtiswx> compiz**
[20:13] <bcurtiswx> can anyone confirm?
[20:14] <dobey> i think it's unity breaks compiz
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> dobey, but the same happens to you?
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> brb, restarting
[20:25] <dobey> i am not using unity or compiz now
[20:25] <dobey> but i recall hearing complaints about alt-tab with it before
[20:42] <seb128> re
[20:43] <seb128> nessita, kenvandine: having a way for any application to clutter the indicator menu doesn't seem a feature but a bug
[20:43] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no crash there
[20:44] <bcurtiswx> seb128, hmm IDK why it does that
[20:44] <seb128> could be a video driver issue
[20:44] <seb128> what card and driver do you use?
[20:44] <bcurtiswx> yeah, ATI has given me troubles
[20:44] <seb128> did you do xorg updates?
[20:44] <bcurtiswx> it uses the open source right now
[20:44] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes
[20:44] <nessita> seb128: having the list hardcoded looks like a bug to me, we can't even rename the executable name. I agree that we should review packages branches that add files to the directory where entries will be read from
[20:45] <seb128> nessita, well it's not only packages, it means anyone can install craps in the directory
[20:45] <seb128> nessita, didn't we discuss dropping the ubuntuone item from the indicator menu previous cycle?
[20:46] <seb128> that seems the wrong place to add launchers
[20:46] <nessita> seb128: I don't think so, or at least I was not in that discussion. Nevertheless, U1 is in the me menu but pointing to the wrong app (was pointing to u1-preferences)
[20:47] <seb128> well I think we dropped the entry last cycle and you guys complained so we did put it back ;-)
[20:47] <nessita> seb128: well, I guess we should be moving it to the messaging menu since we will be using it heavily to notify about shares, folders, etc
[20:47] <seb128> nessita, yeah that's a bug and orthogonal from the discussion about having launchers there
[20:47] <nessita> right
[20:48] <kenvandine> seb128, i agree... but hardcoding is still kind of ugly
[20:48] <seb128> not sure why "open the configuration dialog for something" should be listed in there
[20:48] <dobey> seb128: last cycle i was told to put the .menu file in the directory to make it work.
[20:48] <seb128> usually you want to set up your accounts once
[20:49] <seb128> not to have those listed in your indicator on daily use
[20:49] <dobey> seb128: it shouldn't in narwhal
[20:49] <seb128> dobey, shouldn't what?
[20:49] <dobey> be in the me menu
[20:49] <seb128> ok, so what is the issue? ;-)
[20:49] <seb128> should be bother fixing the code or just dropping it?
[20:50] <dobey> both
[20:50] <seb128> lol
[20:50] <seb128> why spending time fixing code to drop it?
[20:50] <dobey> it shouldn't hardcode external entries. not sure what all external things would need to be there
[20:51] <nessita> seb128: we have an opened bug to have U1 discoverable on natty. On classic desktop we wanted to use the same thing as we have right now (the me menu). But since alecu is working on showing messages for U1, I think is enough to have the entry on the messaging menu only
[20:51] <dobey> having it in the me menu always seemed wrong to me anyway
[20:52] <seb128> nessita, ok, did you talk to ted or mpt about that?
[20:52] <nessita> seb128: about what exaxctly?
[20:52] <seb128> nessita, not sure but I think adding system messages to the messaging menu was discussed in the past and not welcome
[20:53] <seb128> the messaging menus is made for user messages, not for collecting infos about services, etc
[20:53] <dobey> seb128: it's not system messages. it's "5 people shared things to you" messages
[20:53] <dobey> we discussed that in dallas
[20:53] <nessita> seb128: well, U1 is not system messages, but user oriented messages. We did talk with neil about this
[20:53] <seb128> ok
[20:53] <seb128> I was just curious
[20:53] <nessita> seb128: is ok, thanks for pointingt that out!
[20:53] <seb128> some people suggested in the past to have things like "updates available" listed there
[20:54] <seb128> which turned out was not really something we want
[20:54] <dobey> nah, that makes no sense
[20:54] <dobey> especially for u1 since we just automatically 'update' files anyway
[21:25] <mterry> tremolux, love the ratings & reviews work  :)  It seems like I have to write a text review, can't just rate an app?
[21:33] <tremolux> mterry: yep, you gotta write something (make it witty)
[21:48] <bcurtiswx> is there a special package that you all use for the desktop team as far as editing projects?  Maybe one thats not command line only ?
[21:49] <seb128> bcurtiswx, editing what?
[21:51] <bcurtiswx> packages, like if i go edit lp:~ubuntu-desktop/empathy
[21:51] <bcurtiswx> or is command line the most preferred and quickest?
[21:52] <seb128> bcurtiswx, not sure to understand the question, I usually use gedit to edit files
[21:52] <seb128> ie a graphical editor, not the command line
[21:52] <bcurtiswx> yeah, maybe something that makes it more integrated with nautilus
[21:53] <bcurtiswx> like a package is a folder in nautilus and built in push/pull/branching
[21:58] <bcurtiswx> hmm IIRC jorge made something or maybe someone else.. that did something like that
[21:59] <jcastro> Maybe you're thinking of doctormo?
[21:59] <dobey> are you talking about the doctormo thing?
[21:59] <dobey> heh
[21:59] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/groundcontrol
[22:01] <bcurtiswx> jcastro, yes.. thats it
[22:01]  * bcurtiswx apologises to doctormo
[22:03] <bcurtiswx> thanks jcastro
[22:17] <RenatoSilva> is there any way to create a ubuntu installation cd which is already up-to-date? it's for a dial-up-only pc
[22:23] <rickspencer3> hey Renato, what specifically are you trying to do?
[22:23] <rickspencer3> create one on the web, and download it updated?
[22:23] <rickspencer3> or have local updates and changes, and make an ISO out of that?
[22:24] <RenatoSilva> I want to install ubuntu on a dial-up-only PC
[22:25] <RenatoSilva> I would like to burn an up-to-date installation CD
[22:25] <RenatoSilva> so that I don't need to download hundreds of MB
[22:25] <RenatoSilva> afaik the iso from the website is not up-to-date
[22:26] <RenatoSilva> at all
[22:26] <rickspencer3> RenatoSilva, there is a "minimal install" image that ight help you
[22:26] <rickspencer3> but the website only has daily images for the development release
[22:26] <rickspencer3> and you have to download the whole 700 Megs
[22:27] <RenatoSilva> I can download in some place, but can't bring the pc to that place
[22:28] <RenatoSilva> it's like windows service packs, once in a while MS deliver them together in the windows installation
[22:28] <RenatoSilva> it would be nice if the ubuntu cds had the same pratice, but of course on a weekly or monthly basis
[22:28] <rickspencer3> RenatoSilva, well, there are updates to the LTS
[22:29] <rickspencer3> so in a few weeks, you can get 10.04.2
[22:29] <rickspencer3> which will be up to date
[22:30] <RenatoSilva> is there any special, particular reason to regular releases not having that too?
[22:30] <rickspencer3> RenatoSilva, that's a deeper question
[22:30] <RenatoSilva> About later updates after ubuntu is installed in the dial-up pc, is AptOnCD still the way to go?
[22:30] <rickspencer3> I think that would better brought up on the @ubuntu-devel list if you want to change that kind of thing
[22:32] <RenatoSilva> it's been quite some time after I used aptoncd, so I wonder if there isn't a better solution now
[22:33] <RenatoSilva> it seems I'll need it again, I'll have to install a raw 10.10 then apply everything from there with aptoncd
[22:34] <RenatoSilva> is there any way to download ubuntu updates in windows, for burning a cd-based apt repo?
[22:41] <RenatoSilva> thanks anyway
[23:28] <bigballz> Hello??
[23:29] <rickspencer3> nice nick bigballz
[23:29] <rickspencer3> ;)
[23:29] <bigballz> Yeah
[23:29] <rickspencer3> 'sup?
[23:29] <bigballz> It was onlt for this.
[23:29] <bigballz> I need help with the ubuntu desktop version
[23:30] <rickspencer3> bigballz, well, this channel is not the support channel
[23:30] <bigballz> SHIT\
[23:30] <bigballz> Then what is it?
[23:30] <rickspencer3> it's for folks who are developers building the destkop version
[23:30] <rickspencer3> just #ubuntu
[23:30] <rickspencer3> is for support
[23:30] <bigballz> Oh fuck...
[23:30] <bigballz> I'm an r-tard
[23:30] <rickspencer3> you're welcome to hang out, though
[23:30] <rickspencer3> no worries
[23:30] <bigballz> I'm getting my feet wet in the world of linux and ubuntu
[23:31] <rickspencer3> welcome!
[23:31] <rickspencer3> please keep in mind that we have a code of conduct:
[23:31] <rickspencer3> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[23:31] <bigballz> Oh yes. The language. My apologies.
[23:31] <rickspencer3> np
[23:31] <rickspencer3> just letting you know
[23:32] <rickspencer3> you may want to revisit your nick as well
[23:32] <bigballz> UGH. OK. How can I change it?
[23:32] <rickspencer3> type: /nick my_new_nick
[23:32] <bigballz> in here or where?
[23:32] <bigballz> Freenode?
[23:32] <rickspencer3> where "my_new_nick" is whatever you want to be
[23:33] <rickspencer3> yeah, if you use a "/" then irc knows you are sending a command
[23:33] <bigballz> Ah. See? I'm NOT a computer nerd.
[23:33] <rickspencer3> so maybe change your nick and then hop into #ubuntu, I'll bet you get some good support there
[23:33] <Spitfire77> Changed my name.
[23:33] <Spitfire77> :3
[23:34] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:34] <Spitfire77> OK.
[23:34] <Spitfire77> So, you guys develop Ubuntu here?
[23:34] <rickspencer3> not me
[23:35] <rickspencer3> I just sit around with my pointy hair asking when everything is going to be done
[23:35] <Spitfire77> Oh.
[23:35] <rickspencer3> but everyone else is an actual engineer
[23:35] <Spitfire77> I see your logic.
[23:35] <Spitfire77> Dang. That's pretty cool. :D
[23:35] <rickspencer3> if you want to get involved with helping with the desktop, this is the channel for you
[23:35] <rickspencer3> like you could start by triaging bugs, for example
[23:36] <rickspencer3> or testing specific programs you care about and helping the developers get the information they need to fix the bugs
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> oh, ratings and reviews aren't anonymous?