arasuperm1, hi!10:14
arasuperm1, did bryce fix solved the problem you had with the installation with intel drivers?10:14
CIA-4pkgsel: cjwatson * r169 ubuntu/debian/ (po/lo.po po/si.po changelog po/se.po): merge from Debian 0.3312:48
CIA-4pkgsel: cjwatson * r170 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.33ubuntu112:50
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
CIA-4console-setup: cjwatson * r379 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog keyboard-configuration.config):14:40
CIA-4console-setup: console-setup-udeb (<< 1.53) didn't set the seen flag in the installed14:40
CIA-4console-setup: system. Cope with this and avoid asking the layout and variant14:40
CIA-4console-setup: questions again if the default debconf priority is at least high14:40
CIA-4console-setup: (LP: #705883).14:40
* cjwatson tries to figure out how to detect this console-setup upgrade breakage neatly15:14
cjwatsonit's characterised at least in part by some dialogs being wrongly re-presented and wrongly having the first option as the default, so you tend to end up with keyboard-configuration/modelcode=a4techKB21 and keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=us,af15:15
cjwatsonbut I can't really guarantee that some people didn't hit down a bit before getting confused15:15
cjwatsonperhaps I should just do something like:15:15
cjwatson  if previous-version was one of the broken ones:15:15
cjwatson    if XKB* in /etc/default/keyboard don't match commented-out XKB* in /etc/default/console-setup:15:16
cjwatson      reset to values from /etc/default/console-setup and ask questions again15:16
cjwatsonso there'll be some final debconf noise while clearing things up, but it will be confined to people upgrading through natty15:18
cjwatsonor I could s/ and ask questions again//, but that means anyone who's since modified /etc/default/keyboard gets their changes summarily overwritten15:18
cjwatsonmaybe if I accompany it with a mail to ubuntu-devel-announce ...15:18
evsounds sensible15:41
evcjwatson: what are your thoughts on fixing the usb-creator from natty creating usb disks for 10.10 and 10.04 by including maverick's syslinux in usb-creator or building a syslinux-legacy package?16:41
cjwatsonhave you tried isohybrid?16:41
cjwatsonif that works it would be so much easier16:42
evwouldn't that prevent us from writing a casper-rw file or partition?16:43
cjwatsonI wouldn't rule that out16:45
cjwatsonit might take a bit of fiddling but it should be doable16:45
cjwatsonat least a partition16:45
cjwatsonyou *could* import the whole syslinux source and build it again in usb-creator.  it's certainly possible.  it's really ugly though :)16:46
cjwatsonI'm not crazy about syslinux-legacy, it feels like it would tempt people to use it for other things16:46
cjwatsonif isohybrid is unworkable, I'd prefer something that's explicitly private to usb-creator16:49
evI'll give it a shot (isohybrid).  I had assumed that this isohybrid stuff worked without a partition table, but I haven't spent any time with it, so further investigation is in order.16:49
evthanks bunches for the advice, as always16:49
cjwatsonbut if isohybrid is unworkable then I think we need to figure that out, because whenever we finally move to grub it will bear a lot of resemblance to isohybrid16:50
cjwatsonisohybrid does use a partition table (possibly optionally, I'm not sure)016:50
cjwatsondoc/isolinux.txt says:16:51
cjwatsonThe ISO 9660 filesystem is encapsulated in a partition (which starts16:51
cjwatsonat offset zero, which may confuse some systems.)  This makes it16:51
cjwatsonpossible for the operating system, once booted, to use the remainder16:51
cjwatsonone thing to establish would be whether there are any other changes you need to make to the filesystem16:52
cjwatsonif there are then you'd need to pack them back into an iso before running isohybrid, which might be slow/fiddly16:52
evah yes, there would be16:52
cjwatsonor you could use xorriso to create a hybrid image in one shot16:53
ev(the kernel command line parameters in the configuration, assuming that's done on the filesystem)16:53
cjwatsonxorriso's in main as of maverick, since we needed it for grub216:53
cjwatsonbut the general approach of keeping it as an iso9660 filesystem as well would dodge the whole bullet of having to install a different boot loader, which seems worth trying16:54
cjwatsonyou can look at grub-mkrescue if you want examples of xorriso usage16:55
evwill do, thanks16:55
cjwatson16:51 [Freenode] !kornbluth.freenode.net *** Message to #ubuntu-installer throttled due to flooding16:55
cjwatsonboo @freenode16:55
cjwatsonI think it objected to me pasting four lines from isolinux.txt16:56
evthat was hardly anything approaching a flood16:56
evstill, quite agressive16:56
CIA-4ubiquity: superm1 * r4491 ubiquity/debian/changelog: add bug number17:00
cjwatsonhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/559096/ vomit17:09
* cjwatson builds to see what happens17:09
bladernrHas the policy changed for Natty Server where X is going to be installed??18:42
bladernrmlegris just pointed out that gtkperf is trying to run on servers, and turns out that x11-utils is being installed for some reason (along with other X packages, see pastebin)18:43
cjwatsonno policy change although console-setup has always pulled in a certain amount via xkb-data18:44
cjwatsoncan I have an installer syslog?18:45
cjwatsonhm, should topic that18:46
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bladernrcjwatson:  let me see if I can grab it for you18:46
bladernrcjwatson:  just installer/syslog or would you prefer a tar of installer/18:47
cjwatsonjust installer/syslog18:47
cjwatsonthis looks like what happens if you install the uec-live task18:48
cjwatsongtkperf certainly isn't installed by default, it's in universe18:48
cjwatson(I mean the ubuntu-uec-live task, btw)18:50
bladernrright...  I'm starting to learn about using tasksel to find these things out, so sorry for bugging you about some of this stuff18:51
cjwatsonwas this an install you did, or somebody else?18:51
bladernrit's one of the preseeds on the enablement servers in Boston (for hardware cert)18:53
bladernrAFAIK, our preseed uses defaults and doesn't install any options for server18:54
bladernrI'm going to do a local install to make sure it's not something our preseed is pulling in though18:54
cjwatsonthen ideally I'd get a log with the DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer boot parameter, to try to determine why ubuntu-uec-live is being pulled in18:54
bladernrand the log is in your e-mail18:54
cody-somervilleWhats the value for no password?21:35
cody-somerville(for use with preseeding)21:35
cody-somervillechpasswd no longer accepts no password for using unencrypted version no longer works21:36
bladernrcjwatson:  you can safely ignore my x11-utils question from before.  Turns out (I didn't find this out until well after I'd become invested in this) that the person who brought it to my attention initially had installed desktop on a server, which explains everything.23:02

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