[00:02] there's a reason agencies don't accept pdf [00:03] they strip your contact details in the version they send to prospective employers. otheerwise the employer could contact you direct & cut out the middle-man (who earns a lot per successful candidate) [00:05] yup [00:05] parasitic bastards [00:10] * popey is happy that his current contract isnt through an agency [00:10] which is rare for me [00:13] not only do they strip your name, someties they add extra skills/experience [00:14] heh, yeah :) [00:14] My very first job was obtained because the agency lied and told them that I could drive. At the time I hadn't had any lessons :) === Richie is now known as WelshDragon [01:13] fgh [01:15] [Jonathan Riddell] 4.6 Release Supper - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4379 === dougal_ is now known as dougal_away [08:06] hello all [08:12] morning all [08:13] meeting at 21:00 this evening [08:16] AlanBell: is it on the topic? i didn't notice [08:17] Meeting Thursday January 27th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet [08:17] \o/ Cats (and minecraft) [08:17] oooo mine craft :) [08:21] not sure what the big deal is about cats [08:21] do they give you eggs? I don't think so. [08:34] good morning everybody [08:34] morning [08:37] Morning all [08:41] AlanBell: Although I'm not fussed about cats, I think I'd rather have a cat sitting on my lap than an egg producer with a beak & claws [08:42] personally I'd rather have a dog [08:42] cats > * [08:42] Dogs FTW [08:42] at least dogs are entertaining [08:43] so are cats :) [08:43] Cats & Dogs together are even more entertaining :) [08:43] Cats are good [08:43] dogs are needy [08:43] Morning BTW [08:43] \o TOS [08:44] MartijnVdS: true... however dogs will always be a mans best friend [08:44] Hmm - I might need a different "handle" - really not sure about TOS. [08:44] a cat tends to do their own thing [08:44] HazRPG: that's why I like them :) [08:44] having a cat is like having a teenager in the house all day long [08:44] they just constantly nag until you let them out so they can go out and party [08:45] dogs are happy to just go where-ever you want to go [08:45] HazRPG: nah you just need to train your cats better. [08:45] In/out when $boss wants it [08:45] Food when $boss wants it [08:45] etc. [08:46] works fine with my parents' cat :) [08:46] yeah, but you can't exactly go out with a cat can you and have a walk together lol [08:46] HazRPG: Tell that to my dog, yes he's happy to go out with me whenever I want, but when he doesn't want to come in, he does a good job of being selectively ignorant [08:47] DJones: dogs just like having fun too much lol [08:48] One advantage cats have over dogs is that they don't bark & when they make a noise, its very rarely anywhere near as loud as a dog barking [08:48] I don't know how my mum's managed to do it, cos she owns 2 dogs and 8 pups at the moment (bare in mind she use to HATE dogs all of her life - but since she got her first dog like 2 years ago, she seems to love them now) [08:49] What breed does she have? [08:49] anyways, she's managed to train that first dog to be like the perfect pet/friend - always listens [08:50] I haven't a clue, in arabic they seem to call them "multipoo" [08:50] heh [08:51] Our dog has a native american name, "Oscar TwoPoo" based on experience while on his regular walks [08:51] its a pure white dog, it'd be about 40cm ish in height, has naturally wavey hair [08:52] HazRPG: like this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/tannie/5386744767/ [08:53] her daughter looks like a dalmatian - cos she got pregnant from a street dog lol [08:53] but I don't mean those white dogs with black spots type of dalmatian though [08:54] MartijnVdS: haha yeah that's the one [08:54] except the one my mum has, has softer looking hair [08:55] might just be cos she baths it every other day [09:00] morning all [09:00] howdy popey [09:01] * popey tickles MooDoo with http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/ and http://popeydc.dyndns.org/gmaps/ [09:04] http://picasaweb.google.com/hazrpg/MumSDogsPuppies?feat=directlink <== puppy power! [09:05] HazRPG: Nice and cute, although not sure about the ribbons [09:05] anyone fancy confirming a bug for me? [09:05] bug 708393 [09:05] Launchpad bug 708393 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "Pitivi crashes when adding a mov file to the timeline" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708393 [09:05] I'm using natty, but would be interested to know if it works in 10.10 [09:05] DJones: the ribbons are temporary, it just so my mum can associate each one with the right names until she gets them all proper collars [09:06] she doesn't see the point in getting collars when we're not sure how big they're going to get [09:06] Is she keeping them all [09:06] nor if she's keeping them all [09:06] heh, nah she's not sure [09:07] she got rid of the last set (minus tutu, which is the mother in the background of the first photo) but this time she really doesn't want to [09:07] just because she seems to have like a full set of very different dogs [09:07] lol [09:08] not fair :( by the time I get to see the pup's they'll be huge! [09:08] keeping 8 or 9 dogs would be expensive though, probably more for vets fee's, insurance etc, food possibly less so because they're not huge dogs that'd eat big meals [09:09] tutu there stands in at about half a meter or so, but she's almost a meter long and man can she eat! [09:09] * DJones ponders a bring your pet to IRC day [09:09] DJones: haha [09:10] mum's planning on opening her own veterinary [09:10] *slash* hair-dresser shop [09:10] its an odd mix [09:11] but in egypt vets are only open on a Thursday, and hair dressers aren't open at all on a Thursday - its weird [09:11] obviously the rooms for the animals will be completely different to the rooms for hair cutting [09:12] with different entrances [09:12] (she's retired, she just wants something to do now lol) [09:12] * gord looks at his schedule, decides not to do an entire week of uds this time, maybe skip entirely [09:13] man, why can't I find any photos of mum's first dog [09:14] * Neoti|work I hate formatting data.... [09:15] don't we all [09:15] suppose I should get cracking on some work [09:15] * HazRPG goes to look at some boring relationship diagrams [09:18] gord: are you allowed to choose not to go to UDS? [09:18] also gord any idea if my bug 708393 is compiz/unity related? [09:18] Launchpad bug 708393 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "Pitivi crashes when adding a mov file to the timeline" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708393 [09:19] popey: all bugs in natty are compiz/unity-related :P [09:19] depends how needed i'll be, if not then i don't have to go this time [09:19] ahh [09:19] popey, doubt its related, more likely gstreamer [09:19] it gives an x type error [09:21] it'll be asking for some buggy format that X can't do, compiz shouldn't cause X errors in applications [09:22] Any Nottinghamites in here? :) http://periodicvideos.blogspot.com/2011/01/public-lecture.html [09:24] im from nottingham [09:24] Neoti|work: check the link :) [09:25] i just did .. lol .... [09:25] where in notts u from, [09:25] hehe [09:26] gord: known bug that you can't drag stuff to the trash in unity? [09:26] i think so, i brought it up with the guys doing the launcher once at least [09:26] Neoti|work: I'm not from Nottingham :) [09:27] Neoti|work: I just follow Brady's channels on Youtube [09:27] ah .... [09:27] i notice that in natty the bin has reverted back to being called Trash [09:27] and in nautilus it's called Wastebasket [09:27] * popey files a new bug about this [09:32] is "Recycle Bin" patented by Apple / MS? :P [09:32] no [09:35] just out of interest in the next release of ubuntu have they fixed PPTP vpn ..... ??? is it is broken and there are some bug reports about it on ubuntu website etc... [09:35] * seeif slaps ajmcpherson around a bit with a large trout [09:36] o_O [09:36] * HazRPG wonders why he always has the urge to click links [09:36] HazRPG: It's genetically encoded [09:37] TheOpenSourcerer: ^^, [09:37] * popey clicks on TheOpenSourcerer [09:37] popey: did it do anything :O [09:37] moar coffee (and perhaps a biscuit...) [09:37] * DJones offers popey some antivirus just in case [09:38] * TheOpenSourcerer is NOT contagious [09:41] popey, translations in unity aren't turned on yet, i'm dealing with a merge request for that right now, doesn't need a bug :) in nautilus its called rubbish bin here [09:41] * HazRPG 's twitches. [09:42] * HazRPG eye's twitches. [09:42] gord: the shortcut is called wastebasket [09:42] bookmark thingy [09:42] apparently I have the pizzaman song [09:42] popey, i don't have a bookmark to the rubbish bin at all [09:43] under places [09:43] "I tell her I wanted a fork..." [09:43] I have alan, Desktop, File System, Network, Floppy Drive (gah!), Wastebasket [09:43] popey, yeah there its callled rubbish bin here [09:43] and i don't have a floppy drive :P its not 1995! [09:43] neither do i [09:43] my machine has never had one [09:44] hmm, I have 3 floppy drives that have never seen the light of day since 1997 [09:45] i stopped putting a floppy drive into pc builds after vista came out [09:45] xp still needed one [09:45] about about 10 floppies which probably has corrupt data on it [09:45] directhex: really? I've never had a floppy drive on any XP machine I've owned [09:45] directhex: http://popey.com/house/ & http://popey.com/~alan/house/scripts/ & buy a currentcost and a cable [09:46] HazRPG: for sata drivers during install [09:46] if you don't have a floppy drive, how on earth do you play the secret of monkey island?! [09:46] also, really... minecraft should come on floppy disks [09:46] HazRPG, xp will only load drivers during install from A:\, so if you need to add a driver to install... [09:47] directhex: you can do it from local HDD, and I'm pretty sure from a second CD drive, too [09:47] gord, http://store.steampowered.com/app/32360/ ? [09:47] It's a bunch of faff, but as supported as anything else is in an XP install [09:47] local hdd on a machine that cant see the disk controller? [09:47] BigRedS, no. [09:47] thats paradoxical [09:47] popey: yeah. Say a USB stick or a disk that's not on the controller you're trying to install support for [09:47] howdy guys [09:48] and gals [09:48] nope [09:48] BigRedS, the NT5 installer will only read the drivers integrated into the install media driver database, or A:\ [09:48] xp does not support usb on install [09:48] BigRedS, you're thinking of vista [09:48] directhex, yeah but thats the special addition that looks weird, booooo! *ignores other mode* [09:48] I've never installed vista [09:48] or xp by the sound of it! [09:48] I've done that at least a couple of times with XP on Dells to get the raid cards working. The get-the-stuff-off-a-different-local-disk thing. [09:48] woah, vista can be installed!? [09:49] and now my bin icon is called rubbish bin in unity :) woo [09:51] Hm. All I can find on the subject is "replace the windows CD with one wth a driver on it" [09:51] I'm sure it was documented *somewhere* [09:51] anyway, nobody is installing XP these days so it's not like it matters [09:51] BigRedS, things that don't exist can't be documented [09:51] I didn't just guess that it'd work and try it [09:51] http://support.microsoft.com/kb/916196/en-us [09:51] BigRedS: I'm going to have to install XP so I can install a bios update on a laptop ): [09:52] popey: yeah, so USB doesn't. I *know* I've got raid card controllers inserted into an XP install before off a local HDD [09:53] or, thinking about it, more likely server 03 [09:53] I *know* you haven't [09:53] or whichever one was XP dressed up as a server [09:53] maybe :) [09:53] fair enough [09:53] 2k3 isn't xp [09:53] but xp64 is 2k3 [09:53] both are still nt5-series though [09:54] yay for the 5.2 kernel. blocking game installs since... 2003! [10:16] time to do some mail [10:16] bbl [10:16] Aloha [10:16] (why some things can't be done electronically is beyond me :/) [10:17] HazRPG: because there's a whole generation of people who don't "get" computers [10:17] not really anyway [10:19] yeah but by surely constantly pushing paper, people are just going to get use to paper and it'll never be electronic [10:19] I remember that computers were the new way to save trees way back when :/ [10:19] still hasn't took off lol [10:20] I have a feeling its more to do with people don't want people to get lazy and forget how to write lol [10:20] (remembers a time when I had to hand write an essay T_T) [10:21] anyways, back in a bit [10:22] * HazRPG looks forward to seeing more diagrams ;? [10:23] * screen-x feels sorry for cold calling people that get his number [10:23] muhahhahaa [10:26] gord: full screen minecraft sucks on 11.04 [10:27] gord: is it same for you? framerate is awful [10:27] popey, fullscreen how, f11? [10:28] no, maximise the window [10:28] so it takes up one screen [10:28] f11 maxes over both screens and is thus worse [10:28] one frame every 10-20 seconds [10:29] huh, it works fine maximised here, 70-80fps (and i have it set to limit fps) [10:29] nvidia? [10:29] yeah [10:30] works fine on this gtx260 machine and my 9600gtm in the laptop [10:30] unusable here [10:32] popey, how updated is the system? new xorg at the moment that might be screwing things up for you [10:32] i haven't done a proper update since last week [10:33] been like it all the time I have been on natty [10:33] * czajkowski peers into #ubuntu-uk [10:36] not sure then :( [10:37] but how can you keep an eye on IRC if you play minecraft fullscreen? :-> [10:37] two screens [10:37] back [10:37] popey: geek! [10:38] Morning peeps [10:38] I can't play minecraft full screen, it makes me feel ill (motion sickness I guess) [10:38] bigcalm: *hugs* [10:38] i tried it with red/blue glasses [10:38] czajkowski: 2 screens maketh the geek? [10:38] ok, so i run glxgears [10:38] czajkowski: *big hugs* [10:38] 35712 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7142.334 FPS [10:39] but the screen updates once every so often [10:39] its not smooth at all [10:39] (not full screen) [10:39] :S [10:39] has anyone got the ubuntu hoodie's? [10:39] XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 45 requests (45 known processed) with 0 events remaining. [10:40] :S [10:40] gord: run glxgears [10:40] popey: it's 100% smooth for me in 3d [10:40] Don't have the glasses to play with though [10:40] do you see two windows in t he laucnher? [10:40] popey, glxgears Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate. 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.931 FPS [10:40] all runs fine [10:41] popey: 2 windows? [10:41] Oh, I'm on windows atm :) [10:41] two items in the unity launcher [10:41] each with 3 dots next to them [10:41] Still don't know what you're talking about [10:42] popey, bug we know about in a service we use to get window information, seems to be fixed in the latest version of that service though [10:42] happens with glx windows [10:42] my system prety much locks up when i run glxgears [10:42] 100% cpu [10:43] popey, maybe in opengl settings in nvidia-settings set sync to vblank and allow flipping. might need to restart your session [10:43] does that change immediately? [10:44] that fixed glxgears! [10:44] nice one [10:44] * popey hugs gord [10:45] \o/ [10:45] :) [10:45] not fixed minecraft tho :( [10:53] got an interesting question for ya, do you guys use OpenOffice or LibreOffice at the moment? [10:53] libreoffice [10:53] o/ [10:54] * HazRPG whispers: that was me high-fiving you [10:54] ^5 is high five :) [10:54] meh [10:54] o/ is "hi" [10:54] LaTeX all the way [10:55] popey: yeah I know [10:55] how bout o| for high-five then ^^ [10:56] it just looks more high-fivey [10:56] Ah HAAAAAA!!! [10:57] TheOpenSourcerer: Eureka? [10:57] :-) [10:57] OpenERP - MRP Scheduler. [10:58] popey: Q) is there any point putting both, English (United Kingdom) & English in an install of LibreOffice? [10:59] just notice by default it tries to put both [11:00] HazRPG: IIRC in the OOo language pack, en_GB is sort of bundled in the main English pack along with some of the other English translations... [11:00] istr there being some hackery going on with the various Englishes, some being effectively diffs against a 'main' one [11:01] so to get en_uk you need 'english' and the 'diff' to make it into UK, for en_us you just then need to add the 'diff' to get en_us out of the same 'english' [11:01] TheOpenSourcerer: its separate in lo [11:01] Oh OK. [11:01] you install the base, then add in tha lang pack [11:01] oh [11:01] well, thats what I had to do last night on osx [11:02] That's better IMHO [11:02] yeah [11:02] morning [11:02] Less baggage the better [11:02] so wait, you saying I should take out the English (UK) on install... and then download the language pack for UK? [11:03] * HazRPG confused [11:12] uh, in libreoffice if i click "get more templates online" it goes to openoffice.org [11:13] popey: yeah cos it still uses the same base really [11:13] they'll eventually transfer everything over, just give em chance [11:14] I mean they only just left OpenOffice lol [11:14] I am well aware of the history [11:14] I didn't say you didn't :P [11:14] http://www.libreoffice.org/features/templates/ exists [11:15] popey: yeah, but there aren't any templates there [11:16] in fact I think the idea is they'll be hosting them on the document foundation wiki [11:16] yes, which is linked from that page [11:17] so it is [11:17] only a handful of templates on there though [11:17] yup [11:17] might be worth pointing it out as a bug then? [11:18] kinda why I mentioned it :) [11:19] morning all [11:19] davmor2: o/ [11:21] Hello davmor2 [11:21] popey: have you posted it? or shall I? [11:21] Morning [11:21] I'll speak to the LO guys first [11:22] popey: ah you mean in #libreoffice? [11:23] oh wow, LibreOffice puts back the awesome document icons back in [11:24] why did Oracle feel the need to make them all the same colour :/ [11:27] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [11:28] czajkowski: You not feeling well again? [11:29] :p [11:29] morning czajkowski [11:38] * Neoti|work thinks playing Magic: The gathering is going to turn in to Minecraft where i lost blocks of hours playing it... [11:42] now you're losing hours playing with blocks :) [11:43] lego! [11:43] Neoti|work, the real card game, or the online game? [11:43] directhex : both lol [11:45] tho last night the online game [11:46] feck I need to do my expenses :( [12:04] every so often, my NTP server rejects all its peers and goes of to sulk in stratum 16, I setup a cron job to log what was happening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558960/ [12:05] Any idea how to solve it.. stop running my main ntp server in a vm? add more upstream servers? [12:09] * screen-x wonders over to #ubuntu-server, apologies to those of you who are in both.. [12:10] * BigRedS wonders if screen-x is actually wandering [12:10] :) [12:10] Windows has finally caught-up to Linux and allowed you to run a screensaver on the background: http://j.mp/icsyW3 also works with 9031.com's screensavers (i.e. the Lego one) [12:10] BigRedS: that'd be the one :) [12:12] dwatkins: Welcome to 1991 :) [12:12] precisely, MartijnVdS :) [12:13] MartijnVdS: I ran glmatrix on the desktop of my Ubuntu machine a couple years ago, was nice [12:13] MartijnVdS: I used to think running a winamp visualisation as a background was the coolest thing ever :p [12:13] I've run xplanet as a background [12:13] with ISS and Hubble projected onto it [12:13] MartijnVdS: I did that, then moved the processing over to a server, oonce an hour, with clouds :D [12:14] also, I added various text to the image, such as a calendar [12:15] I should set it up again to automatically update my desktop background each hour on my work machine. [12:16] [Jamie Bennett] Linaro image downloads - http://www.linuxuk.org/2011/01/linaro-image-downloads/ [12:16] Is it rude to ask my question in here, then in #ubuntu-server, then in #ntp? [12:18] not if you dont get an answer [12:19] cool :) [12:21] BigRedS: donkey.avi.co, brilliant :) [12:24] screen-x: clocks and VMs don't play nice [12:24] often [12:31] screen-x: Yeah, my hostnames are shrek-themed :) [12:32] BigRedS: haha interesting choice :P [12:33] mine at one point were names from Blizzard lores, then I switched to female names from One Tree Hill, and now I just use animals - mainly because I wanted my laptop to be called Penguin ^^, [12:33] My laptop's still called 'moses' from when they were biblical characters [12:34] \o/ WOPR [12:34] but someone did object to getting an email from mailer-daemon@god and then I started helping out more at my synagogue and figured even more people were likely to [12:35] haha === cking is now known as cking-afk === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [12:45] afternoon peeps :) [12:47] o/ [12:47] How are you ? [12:48] popey: apparently it was a bug, but has been changed in the final release === denny_ is now known as denny [12:49] popey: also it points to http://templates.libreoffice.org/ but that redirects back to the OpenOffice.org site for now since that's where all the templates are hosted [12:49] Silver_Fox_, I'm alright :) [12:50] wow. nothing hurts my head quite like running screen inside a screen session [12:51] shauno: try connecting to multiple remote systems, running nested screen sessions on each ;) [12:52] dwatkins: gets confusing sometimes doesn't it xD [12:52] This is how I used to regularly use my terminal, shauno - http://rowla.dyndns.org/images/screen-nested.png [12:52] that's not far off what I've got atm. from within screen, I'm logged into two more hosts .. each of which is running screen [12:53] admittedly, I've gone back to another machine there, but I often had 3 or 4 levels of nesting [12:54] hah, funky screenshot. glad I don't use status bars :) [12:55] It makes it easier to tell where you are, but you lose a line each time, of course. [12:55] * dwatkins notes that vmware workstation supports multiple named snapshots, but vmware server does not [13:00] dwatkins: I've recently migrated from vmware server to kvm+libvirt, much less hassle.. [13:00] I can well imagine, screen-x. [13:06] shauno, i ran qbasic in dos in windows in qbasic in windows in dos once [13:06] it ran out of ram :( [13:08] directhex, wat [13:08] i wrote a DOS-like command prompt in qbasic [13:09] left it running when i went to the loo, forgot what i was looking at when i came back & assumed i'd quit windows for some reason. so started windows & qbasic to do more hacking [13:14] fail :) [13:14] back in a minute [13:18] Afternoon all, I ma having problem after problem today trying to sort out my backup system. [13:19] having successfully installed Sbackup, I come to formatting my usb hard drive in order to use as a back. It is currently in fat 32 and sbackup gave me errors about files sizes too large (even when i limited them to 4GB)) [13:19] So i try to unmount UNTITLED 1 the usb hard disk and it doesnt do anything. [13:21] i cannot format it because it doesnt know the mount point which is apparently the fault of having a space in the volume label. to fix this i need to unmount it, and so the circle of shite continues. Is anyone available to guide me through this I've been at it for hours with no luck. [13:22] HoaxKey: Can you pastebin the output of "mount" please? [13:23] daubers, http://pastebin.com/g7Jeu7MX [13:23] try "umount /media/UNTITLED\ 1" (without the "" but with the \) [13:23] or try the disk utility in System -> Administration :) [13:23] or umount /dev/sdb2 [13:23] You'll need to use sudo though [13:24] sudo umount /dev/sdb2 [13:24] i get no error when using sudo umount /dev/sdb2 [13:25] HoaxKey: then it's now unmounted :) [13:25] congratulations [13:25] no error means no problem [13:25] but the drive is still lsited under the "Places" menu [13:25] HoaxKey: sure, because it's still connected [13:25] HoaxKey: look at the Disk Utility in System -> Administration [13:25] HoaxKey: it should tell The Truth® [13:25] it is lsited in disk utility [13:26] also in gparted [13:26] HoaxKey: sure it's listed.. that's because the disk is physically in the system [13:26] HoaxKey: Look at the mount command again, if you've not reopened it in places it should be unmounted [13:26] HoaxKey: click on it in disk utility to unmount/remount/format/partition/etc. [13:27] it appears not to be listed by mount [13:28] then it's not mounted [13:28] HoaxKey: Then the disk is not mounted :) [13:29] When i try to alter the label via disk utility apply is greyed out [13:29] also the disk seems to have 2 partitions a msall 20mb one and a large 500gb one === cking-afk is now known as cking [13:41] HoaxKey, sometimes usb disks have a nice useful small partition with windows-only crap on it. it may even be read-only [13:51] gord: how long after hitting the maximise button on a terminal does it go full screen? [13:51] popey, instantly? [13:51] hmm [13:51] 1-5 seconds here [13:52] is it a know issue that the close button for an app maximised on screen 2 are on screen 1? [13:52] guys quick question whats the exact command to get winrar? i keep getting couldnt get package [13:52] there is no winrar for linux [13:52]