| kreign | hi, I'm trying to figure out what the upstart tool does on shutdown - eg. where the commands are defined that are run on shutdown | 06:51 |
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| kreign | there's /etc/init for startup but I'm not seeing where eg. filesystems get umounted on shutdown | 06:52 |
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| mbiebl | what distro? | 11:15 |
| djszapi | JanC there ? | 11:40 |
| djszapi | you tried last time to get the messages we discussed, can you remember ? | 11:40 |
| djszapi | KeyBuk told me it is because upstart cannot log to the kmsg and the proper daemons are not running during the boot-session to get those messages into the syslog. | 11:41 |
| djszapi | so I am trying to write a patch for upstart in order to be able to write into the kmsg for need. | 11:41 |
| djszapi | JanC: so it should fex. work after the startup. | 11:54 |
| SpamapS | kreign: shutdown happens on runlevel 0 | 13:11 |
| SpamapS | kreign: most of it ist still handled in /etc/rc0.d | 13:12 |
| SpamapS | kreign: at least, in Ubuntu | 13:12 |
| gp5st | i'm here (http://upstart.ubuntu.com/index.html) where can i find a list of all directives for an upstart script? the wiki seems more technical and doesn't help:( | 16:19 |
| gp5st | but to the point, what i want to know is if there is respawn keyword, i've seen hints on other sites but i can't find one in the upstart page or man page | 16:20 |
| JanC | gp5st: read the init(5) manpage | 16:29 |
| gp5st | ah | 16:30 |
| gp5st | the (5) is what must have got me | 16:30 |
| gp5st | thanks:) | 16:30 |
| JanC | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man5/init.5.html | 16:30 |
| gp5st | i found it, i was just doing man init before not man 5 init | 16:31 |
| gp5st | :) | 16:31 |
| JanC | there is a reference to init(5) at the bottom of init(8) ;) | 16:32 |
| gp5st | i'm sure:) | 16:33 |
| kreignf | hi, I asked a question in here last night... does anyone know where the 'shutdown' time events are defined for upstart? eg. umount -a | 17:41 |
| JanC | kreignf: depends on how you or your distro configures it | 20:20 |
| kreignf | JanC, :| ok, so where would I look? this is on ubuntu. | 20:21 |
| kreignf | JanC, I've dug around a bit but can not find anything suggestive (eg. grep umount /etc/init/*) | 20:21 |
| JanC | somebody answered that earlier today: | 20:22 |
| JanC | <SpamapS> kreign: shutdown happens on runlevel 0 | 20:22 |
| JanC | <SpamapS> kreign: most of it ist still handled in /etc/rc0.d | 20:22 |
| JanC | <SpamapS> kreign: at least, in Ubuntu | 20:22 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, ah, thank you mate. ;P | 20:24 |
| kreignf | JanC, didn't see it, passed out before I got a response. thanks. | 20:24 |
| kreignf | not sure how i missed that on looking myself | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: its not very obvious honestly | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | /etc/init/rc.conf covers it tho | 20:29 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, I'm not so sure I like the... complexity... of upstart, vs. classic init, at this point. at least for a server. | 20:29 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, seriously hope the intent is to have an all-in-one start/stop mechanism. | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: its the complexity of the hybrid implementation that makes most uneasy. As it gets more purely upstart.. it will seem more elegant. :) | 20:30 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, "sometimes it's set here and sometimes it's here" is not a good way to do it. :| | 20:30 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, right. | 20:30 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, I'm sure. | 20:30 |
| kreignf | still, I'd think startup and shutdown would be handled by upstart, at the least. you know, 'system' tasks.. not relegating umount to rc | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | I think that was the plan.. but the push in lucid was to get the bootup fast, not the shutdown. :) | 20:32 |
| kreignf | heh | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | and it actually works ok | 20:32 |
| kreignf | well I know where to stick my command then | 20:33 |
| kreignf | was kinda fading last night when I was looking into it | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | there is a need for some more synchronization .. there are races right now that can lead to the fs's not unmounting I'm afriad. | 20:33 |
| kreignf | not all cylinders were firing | 20:33 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, oh joy. :| | 20:33 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, where are the races? | 20:33 |
| kreignf | in upstart? | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | basically things that stop on runlevel [!2345] are not guaranteed to be stopped when fs's are unmounted | 20:33 |
| kreignf | ah | 20:34 |
| kreignf | eg. a long-terminating database process | 20:34 |
| * kreignf considers a lengthy sleep | 20:35 | |
| kreignf | SpamapS, do the desktop guys push the ubuntu server direction quite a bit? | 20:35 |
| kreignf | ubuntu server is a nice thing | 20:35 |
| kreignf | (due to the newer kernel) | 20:35 |
| kreignf | just not sure i like the... process refinement? | 20:36 |
| kreignf | the resulting refinement is damn nice | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: ubuntu is ubuntu .. server and desktop are just different "seeds" | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: which affects the CD creation, and the length of security fixes. | 20:37 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, I don't recall sources.list having a definite "server" tag ; what determines the seed, to the mirror? | 20:38 |
| kreignf | or is it just a package selection that gets said support? | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | I would say.. realistically.. lucid is just now stabilized and tested enough that I'd want to roll something out on it.. 10.04.2 is out in a week or two.. it has a lot of little weird things fixed. | 20:38 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, yeah. | 20:39 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, been a bit long in the uptake IMO | 20:39 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, anything I can tell the kernel/upstart on boot to "tell me what you're doing!" ? I get "Starting /scripts/init-bottom... ; Done. Done. Finishing /scripts/init-bottom; Done - and then nothing | 21:14 |
| kreignf | just hangs there | 21:14 |
| kreignf | c-a-d reboots it | 21:14 |
| kreignf | but other 'n that I can't do much | 21:14 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: pass --verbose to the kernel | 21:15 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, hmm | 21:16 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, would that be akin to "ro verbose" or do you mean --verbose? | 21:19 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: at the end of the line in grub, add --verbose | 21:19 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, the line starting linux, I presume | 21:19 |
| kreignf | just not familiar with --verbose as an ammendum to kernel boot opts | 21:20 |
| SpamapS | its unknown to the kernel, so the kernel passes it along to upstart | 21:20 |
| kreignf | ah ok. | 21:20 |
| kreignf | cool. | 21:20 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, I'm getting some cryptic "init: hostname goal/state is start/stopping post-stop->waiting/etc." info here, and then it just hangs up /goes no further after "init: handling stopped event" | 21:50 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, going to paste the image up | 21:52 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, mind if I email you the image? | 21:54 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: the lines before 'handling stopped event' are probably more interesting :) | 23:33 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: what OS is this? | 23:33 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, ubuntu | 23:35 |
| kreignf | 10.04 | 23:35 |
| kreignf | LTS | 23:35 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, that was a couple hours ago; I got by it. now I'm trying to figure out why the freaking modules I need aren't loading on boot (they're in /etc/modules) but load just fiiine on manual modprobe | 23:36 |
| kreignf | heh | 23:37 |
| kreignf | and it works on another system :P | 23:37 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: /etc/init/module-init-tools.conf | 23:40 |
| kreignf | SpamapS, so this is going to sound a bit cheap but I see something scroll by on intial boot 'failed' - but I'm not finding it in logs. it's directly before login starts. | 23:42 |
| kreignf | any idea where that'd be logged? | 23:42 |
| SpamapS | alt-f7 | 23:42 |
| SpamapS | aka "the console" | 23:42 |
| kreignf | yey | 23:43 |
| kreignf | heh | 23:43 |
| kreignf | unfortunately it does not appear to scroll. meh. | 23:46 |
| SpamapS | kreignf: those should also end up in /var/log/boot.log | 23:49 |
| kreignf | yeah | 23:49 |
| kreignf | virtual console is slooow in vbox | 23:49 |
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