[00:11] <ArMo3> The reboot and shut down options are greyed out.
[00:12] <ArMo3> wrong channel
[00:12] <ArMo3> sorry
[01:59] <mucus> hey, i'm new to linux and was wondering how i use the terminal to make a program from a source
[02:02] <bazhang> mucus, compile?
[02:02] <mucus> actually yes
[02:02] <bazhang> mucus, install build-essential
[02:02] <mucus> i'm in the terminal now, but having problems changing to the proper directory....
[02:03] <mucus> build-essential h?
[02:03] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:03] <mucus> i get a couple of errors
[02:04] <bazhang> such as?
[02:04] <mucus> oh ...maybe that's due to synaptic being open
[02:04] <bazhang> yep
[02:04] <bazhang> you can install from there as well
[02:04] <bazhang> !compile
[02:04] <bazhang> mucus, you may want to have a read of the above as well
[02:04] <mucus> !packages
[02:05] <mucus> cool thanks, i wanna get started on compiling my own source, but i need to get back into the swing of things with c. . .
[02:06] <mucus> when i install something in that manner, where does it go?
[02:06] <mucus> ie where does it install to
[03:12] <christo_m> how can i stop xubuntu from saving state
[03:12] <christo_m> i dont want the samecrap opening everytime i shut down
[06:15] <skyhawk> Can someone help me with a desktop enviornment question?
[06:19] <Sysi> try
[06:21] <skyhawk> I would like to boot without xfce or any desktop enviornment
[06:27] <Sysi> with them being installed or do minimal installation or remove some?
[06:28] <Sysi> http://serverfault.com/questions/147430/how-to-change-default-runlevel-of-ubuntu-lucid
[06:36] <CloseYetFar> Hey is there anyway to get a text boot up that will show you the loading of all the scripts like on Gentoo?
[06:38] <Sysi> you can replace "quiet splash" with "verbose" in /etc/default/grub but then it prints useless stuff too
[06:39] <CloseYetFar> is it just kernal stuff? I basicly want to see init run its rc scripts
[06:40] <Sysi> afaik there isn't really good way with grub2, you can see boot messages after booting with 'dmesg'
[06:40] <CloseYetFar> yea
[06:41] <Sysi> grub2/upstart
[06:47] <lighta> !version
[07:13] <CloseYetFar> upstart is the new program that manages rc scritps?
[07:13] <bazhang> many , yes
[07:14] <bazhang> !upstart
[07:17] <CloseYetFar> ok thanks
[14:35] <nkadmin> i am using tightvnc server. the screen on the windows client is gray blank. whet must i do to see the real scree?
[14:39] <psycho_oreos> xubuntu being the vnc server and windows being the vnc client? how do you mean real screen?
[14:56] <nkadmin> yes, so
[15:13] <nkadmin> on the client machine inthe vnc client window is dark grey.
[15:16] <psycho_oreos> !vnc| nkadmin
[15:18] <nkadmin> i will see the link! :)
[15:32] <WhitePelican> anyone know of a ppa for xfce4.8 for Maverick yet?
[15:37] <mark76> I wish :(
[15:41] <Sysi> i'd compiled it for myself but it would have ment i'd had to remove almost all gui application
[15:42] <WhitePelican> guess I will have to wait 3 months then :)
[15:48] <rtdos> i have a 6.04 desktop that does not have access to the internet (so i'm not as concerned about security updates) - is there a way to install software from the repositorie archives using only a CD?
[15:48] <quantumbit> yea if you have it
[15:49] <quantumbit> altough, you should upgrade to 10.10 to get newer software versions
[15:51] <rtdos> quantumbit: i mainly use this 6.04 machine for games, it's not even connected to the internet. given how old the hardware is, i doubt 10.10 would be much of an improvement.
[15:52] <quantumbit> i run 10.10 on an old machine I upgraded to 512mb ram lately
[15:52] <quantumbit> i ran it with 256mb although, it wasn't very usable
[15:52] <quantumbit> i run it on 2 such machines actually
[15:52] <rtdos> the machine i have 6.04 machine only has 128 Meg and a 700MHz Celeron.
[15:52] <quantumbit> wow
[15:53] <rtdos> yea. :)
[15:53] <quantumbit> ok I understand :D~~
[15:53] <quantumbit> yea, for some reason newer software/distribs seem to use quite a lot of ram
[15:53] <quantumbit> I think, mostly because they assume availability
[15:53] <rtdos> it's an hp and althoguh i like hp, i bought it as a wal-mart special
[15:53] <Sysi> moder HW for modern OS
[15:54] <rtdos> and wal-mart specials, um, suck. :)
[15:54] <Sysi> rtdos: that old software may be hard to get, bu you van install .deb:s manually quite easily
[15:54] <quantumbit> it makes no sense though, that a web browser with just one google.com page loaded, consumes almost 100mB ram
[15:54] <Sysi> man what typing
[15:54] <quantumbit> but it's the case
[15:54] <Sysi> but if you want*
[15:55] <Sysi> quantumbit:have you recently tried win98?
[15:55] <quantumbit> no
[15:55] <Sysi> you'd notice where all the ram goes
[15:56] <quantumbit> the fact that modern machines have lots of ram is not a reason to waste it where it's not required though.. economy is always a good principle
[15:56] <Sysi> i admit software in general is still bad, but we do have much more options and better user experience
[15:57] <Sysi> i assume you also aren't programmer?
[15:57] <quantumbit> some applications do require a lot of ram, some don't
[15:57] <rtdos> what kills me is that back then hp didn't even put an option in for more than 128Meg (it initially came with 64Meg)- only had 2 slots for ram, the other 2 slots were not solderd in for the wal-mart special.
[15:57] <quantumbit> i am:D
[15:57] <Sysi> i'm not
[15:57] <quantumbit> web browsing consumes huge amount of ram I think
[15:58] <Sysi> but i know how much effort it takes
[15:58] <quantumbit> esp. with all the modern dynamic components, scripts, and stuff
[15:58] <quantumbit> it's not much effort when you enjoy it:)
[15:58] <Sysi> i hardly ever use 1GB of ram even with new kubuntu
[15:59] <quantumbit> hm.. I take it you don't run many apps at once
[15:59] <Sysi> i don't consider that being much in kinda heavy use
[15:59] <quantumbit> with 512mb and kubuntu, im always on swap with just firefox+pidgin+wine+ a few xterms
[15:59] <rtdos> well, if we're talking ram: look at how programmers creatively took advantage of the small amount of ram in an atari 2600. but i digress. is there away to install stuff from the xubuntu archives on my machine using only a cd rom?
[15:59] <quantumbit> err xubuntu
[15:59] <Sysi> get adblock
[15:59] <quantumbit> i wouldnt even attempt kde D
[16:00] <quantumbit> I have it
[16:00] <Sysi> i've used kde with 512, not very bad
[16:00] <quantumbit> man, I dev'ed for microcontrollers with like 64 BYTES of ram total
[16:00] <quantumbit> and I can tell you you can design complex systems with it
[16:00] <Sysi> but think, 512 isn't too much for WinXP and it's 10 years old
[16:00] <rtdos> with dependencies and recommended packages ?
[16:01] <Sysi> rtdos: you need to download all of them and put to that cd
[16:01] <Sysi> then install with dpkg -i
[16:02] <quantumbit> nah.. you have to admit.. when sales persons tell you.. 3GHz 2GB will be good for basic stuff like word processing etc.. but you need more for multimedia games etc..
[16:02] <quantumbit> come on.. in the 60's people were doing text processing just fine
[16:02] <Sysi> rtdos: you need to have packages for right ubuntu version ofc
[16:02] <Sysi> quantumbit: technology goes on, let's use it
[16:03] <Sysi> *goes forward
[16:03] <quantumbit> yea
[16:03] <Sysi> i still think most of software is pretty bad
[16:03] <quantumbit> I like low footprint software
[16:03] <charlie-tca> hm, I remember using my old boss talking about using text processors in the '60's. He waited seconds to minutes to see what he typed
[16:03] <Sysi> doing good is expensive
[16:03] <quantumbit> cuz it's slick, usually designed to be simple & efficient
[16:04] <quantumbit> with probably much more elegant & flexible code base too
[16:04] <Sysi> i use apps that i like
[16:05] <Sysi> i have intel dual core, i don't consider this modern after buying left4dead
[16:06] <Sysi> lga775 socket cpu:s are expensive :/
[16:06]  * quantumbit takes a look at 'top' output
[16:07] <Sysi> with FF, transmission, thunar and terminal, gnome-system-monitor says 226MiB
[16:12] <quantumbit> I realise I'm a linux fanatic
[16:13] <quantumbit> I have hardly used any other OS in years
[16:13] <quantumbit> or maybe like 5min top once :D
[16:14] <Sysi> i started again when win7 came, but it'n not really that much better than XP
[16:14] <Sysi> XP was my reson to get linux, i just hated it
[16:15] <quantumbit> yea.. last regular use of a MS OS for me was win98
[16:15] <quantumbit> but that's when I started with linux too
[16:16] <quantumbit> at the time I had a dual boot with many different distroes shiftin' in and out at a high rate :D
[16:16] <Sysi> i installed hardy about when 8.10 was released, "newbie"
[16:17] <Sysi> this year i've only reinstalled this machine few times :P
[16:17] <quantumbit> ya I settled for simplicity myself
[16:18] <rtdos> dpkg -i ? does it automatically detect the cd rom drive ?
[16:18] <Sysi> you propably need to mount it and point to packages
[16:19] <quantumbit> you have synaptic in 6.04?
[16:19] <Sysi> btw it's actually 6.06
[16:20] <charlie-tca> and, yes, it did have synaptic package manager
[16:20] <quantumbit> strange:D
[16:20] <rtdos> not sure if i have synaptic in 6.06 or not, i doubt it.
[16:20] <quantumbit> I remember back then ubuntu was shipping free CDs
[16:20] <rtdos> if it did then yes i do. :)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> rtdos: you do know 6.06 server edition is end of support in June 2011, right? Desktop has not had support since 2009
[16:25] <quantumbit> you could try microkernels on that machine.. or distroes specifically targeted at low spec hardware maybe
[16:25] <quantumbit> havent researched that in a while
[16:33] <rtdos> yes, charlie-tca: this machine doesn't even have internet, the hardware specs are low (128Meg 700Mhz Celeron) mainly use it for games and word processing.
[16:34] <rtdos> microkernals, quantumbit? i didn't think linux was capable?
[16:34] <wizardslovak> hello people
[16:35] <wizardslovak> i have settup ssh but is there possibility to actually see desktop
[16:36] <wizardslovak> both machines are xubuntu
[16:38] <rtdos> where would i d/l the archived packages / repositories for 6.06 ?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> rtdos: MIght look at Lubuntu for an up-to-date distro. It is based on Ubuntu, using lxde, which is very low resources
[16:40] <rtdos> but it requires 256Meg, doesn't it?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> rtdos: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[16:42] <charlie-tca> but there are none for Xubuntu 6.06, only for Ubuntu 6.06
[16:42] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[16:42] <charlie-tca> It should need 64MB ram
[16:45] <rtdos> thanks, charlie-tca i'll check it out.
[17:14] <sphereoid> is there a way to securely wipe a hard drive with xubuntu?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Same as with any linux distro, yes
[17:16] <charlie-tca> !shred
[17:16] <charlie-tca> !wipe
[17:16] <sleek> is there a way after the xubuntu install to set a passphrase for my encrypted home directory?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> sphereoid: use either wipe or shred
[17:38] <error21> I can`t install gcc
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 17 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend.
[18:45] <quantumbit> what are these meeting?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> they are meetings to discuss what xubuntu is doing, keep users informed of xubuntu's decisions, and today to verify the project leader
[18:49] <Sysi> i could join.. haven't attended even in loco meetings for ages
[18:50] <charlie-tca> heh, yes you could
[18:50] <charlie-tca> I am going to attend today
[18:51] <charlie-tca> quantumbit: the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:02] <MichealH> charlie-tca: Its time?
[19:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:02] <MichealH> charlie-tca: Shall I open the meeting?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> no, I will chair
[19:03] <MichealH> Okies
[19:18] <bcgrown> what do i need to (re)install to connect to network file shares?  My "Service type" list in the "Connect to Server" dialog is empty
[19:21] <WebDawg> heh
[19:21] <WebDawg> bcgrown You prolly need samba or cifs clients.
[19:23] <bcgrown> WebDawg: I wonder what I did, because I had them working at one point :/
[19:23] <WebDawg> You try testing them at commandline?
[19:23] <bcgrown> WebDawg: no...  actually what I want right no is SFTP,  but don't I just need ssh for that?  i definitely have ssh..
[19:25] <WebDawg> I thought their was a sftp binary but I could be wrong.
[19:25] <bcgrown> yep, but i already have that.  it's just Gigolo that seems to be confused
[19:26] <WebDawg> You got me atm man.
[19:31] <vinnl> You can also install a dedicated FTP client like gftp bcgrown
[19:31] <bcgrown> vinnl: i want to have my shares permanently mounted as part of my filesystem though
[19:32] <bcgrown> I'm pretty sure gigolo+thunar can do that,  same as gnome/nautilus does.   mine seems to have forgotten how, though.
[19:32] <bcgrown> well... semi-permanently, that is
[19:32] <vinnl> bcgrown, ah, yeah, Gigolo should be able to do that
[19:33] <vinnl> Not sure what the problem is
[19:33] <bcgrown> tried uninstalling, deleteing ~/.config/gigolo, and reinstalling,  but no dice
[19:43] <bcgrown> apparently i was missing gvfs-backends
[20:10] <yondering> hola.  anyone know if xubuntu 10.10 has pulseaudio enabled by default?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:11] <yondering> thank you
[20:11] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:43] <q_a_z_steve> cody-somerville, are you also in ##windows or ##windows-server by chance?
[20:44] <q_a_z_steve> stupid XP giving me fits again.
[21:09] <cody-somerville> q_a_z_steve, No sorry. I don't even have any computers that run Windows.
[21:16] <q_a_z_steve> good place to be, unfortunately I support them still
[21:23] <Alexander> Query: Is there a way to change the background image for the login screen? I am tired of looking at blue skies and clouds.
[21:26] <Alexander> hello?
[21:28] <bazhang> Alexander, gdm themes?
[21:30] <Alexander> Is it gdm? I thought everything was xfce4. (I am not very good at this)
[21:31] <Alexander> I just installed the iso of 10.10 onto my netbook, so it's whatever the default settings are.
[21:31] <bazhang> Alexander, the netbook edition? of xubuntu?
[21:33] <Alexander> No. Just the default edition (desktop edition?)
[21:33] <bazhang> there are a ton of gdm themes
[21:33] <bazhang> !info sabily-gdm-themes
[21:34] <bazhang> apt-cache search gdm reveals quite a number
[21:37] <Alexander> okay, so I go to gdmsetup and it gives me login screen settings, but nothing to change the theme
[21:37] <Alexander> just default session, show list of users, etc