[00:00] <apachelogger> debfx: I find bug 696345 quite valid
[00:00] <apachelogger> the proposed solution is the crap though
[00:01] <apachelogger> ideally there would just be a config file to deactivate kdesudo session foobar
[00:01] <apachelogger> also it is not a security vulnerability
[00:01] <debfx> apachelogger: why?
[00:02] <apachelogger> debfx: to give people their windows feeling back
[00:03] <apachelogger> also there is a security implication from the session stuff
[00:03] <apachelogger> ...
[00:03] <apachelogger> say you do something using kdesudo
[00:03] <apachelogger> then leave the machine unattended
[00:03] <apachelogger> one could screw you big time at that point
[00:03] <apachelogger> without kdesudo session stuff they could just screw that one profile
[00:04] <apachelogger> so, since it is considerable little effort to actually implement such a feature I would be in favor of doing it once someone finds the time
[00:05] <debfx> maybe also add a kill switch like sudo
[00:05] <apachelogger> there is
[00:05] <apachelogger> kdesudo -s or somesuch
[00:05] <debfx> ah, yes
[00:06] <debfx> why isn't it it called -k like in sudo ^^
[00:06] <apachelogger> prolly kdesu has the same option :P
[00:06] <apachelogger> yep
[00:06] <apachelogger>   -s                        Stop the daemon (forgets all passwords)
[00:07] <apachelogger> from kdesu
[00:08] <debfx> oh dear: "--nonewdcop               Use existing DCOP server"
[00:10] <debfx> ah the dcop code is commented out
[00:12] <apachelogger> dcop ftw
[00:13] <apachelogger> life used to be so much simpler with it -.-
[00:26] <CIA-40> [dragonplayer] sitter * 1217597 * branches/KDE/4.6/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/ (mainWindow.cpp mainWindow.h stateChange.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[00:26] <CIA-40> Also supress screen power management when watching a film. Please note that this
[00:26] <CIA-40> currently does not seem to work on 4.6 as powerdevil does not seem to actually
[00:29] <CIA-40> [dragonplayer] sitter * 1217599 * trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/ (mainWindow.cpp mainWindow.h stateChange.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[00:29] <CIA-40> Forward port r1217597. Also supress screen power management when watching a
[00:29] <CIA-40> film. Please note that this currently does not seem to work on 4.6 as powerdevil
[00:30] <debfx> apachelogger: do you know why dragonplayer (optionally) uses xine directly?
[00:30] <apachelogger> dvdmenu shit
[00:31] <apachelogger> to be killed dead with phonon 4.5
[00:31] <debfx> does that actually work when using a non-xine phonon backend?
[00:31] <apachelogger> debfx: when did the codec installer crash appear?
[00:31] <apachelogger> before the installer dialog appeared?
[00:31] <apachelogger> debfx: no
[00:32] <apachelogger> dragon actually has error messages talking about xine :D
[00:32] <apachelogger> most fun application evar ^^
[00:32] <debfx> aha, so we can drop the xine dependency then
[00:32] <debfx> apachelogger: I can't reproduce the crash anymore after upgrading and installing the debug packages
[00:33] <apachelogger> well, if you could tell me a bit about what happened... ;)
[00:34] <apachelogger> oh
[00:34] <Daskreech> apachelogger: It is valid for it to be coded to use xine
[00:34] <apachelogger> I think I know why and what and when
[00:34] <debfx> I push the play button, the codec dialog pops up, amarok crashes
[00:34] <apachelogger> oh
[00:34] <apachelogger> that is odd
[00:34] <apachelogger> anyhow
[00:34] <Daskreech> (I know that's not one of the objectives of Dragon Just saying)
[00:34] <apachelogger> the package is missing a vital fixy
[00:34] <apachelogger> see kde-packager list
[00:34] <apachelogger> debfx: are you sure you did not maybe switch to another song while the installer was at work?
[00:35] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, I didn't even click on the codec dialog
[00:35] <apachelogger> odd enough
[00:38] <debfx> apachelogger: amarok crashed again: http://paste.kde.org/3504/
[00:39] <apachelogger> ha!
[00:39] <apachelogger> that is not my fault at all
[00:39] <apachelogger> haah
[00:39] <apachelogger> debfx: surely there were more threads though?
[00:40] <debfx> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/3505/
[00:40] <apachelogger> yep yep yep
[00:41] <apachelogger> I did not break it
[00:41] <debfx> apachelogger: what amarok fix is missing?
[00:41] <apachelogger> it is the crappy qtwebkit shadeslayer was complaining about earlier
[00:41] <apachelogger> debfx: phonon-backend-gstreamer fix
[00:41] <apachelogger> debfx: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository/revisions/3784b33b487a7db3f526a59a384d9a978be745fd
[00:44] <debfx> apachelogger: do we need the amarok vlc fix that markey suggested?
[00:45] <apachelogger> not if vlc 1.1.6 lands in the natty machine
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> !info vlc natty
[00:45] <apachelogger> not needed then
[00:45] <apachelogger> also it is sort of limited in scope anyway
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://tinyurl.com/4es2b9c teh surprise
[00:47] <apachelogger> is it pr0n?
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> nop
[00:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are wicked
[00:48] <apachelogger> and underdocumented :P
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> I'll get around to that :P
[00:48]  * debfx wonders why libqtwebkit4-dbg went from 400 MB to 5 MB
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> & once I figure out how to get data files from the archive it'll be a suitable class for implementing a thumbnailer with
[00:49] <apachelogger> debfx: not containg crao?
[00:49] <apachelogger> debfx: or maybe lzma'd?
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> (the .ar data archive)
[00:49] <persia> JontheEchidna, Why QLatin1String: can't most of those be unicode?
[00:50] <persia> (in practice, for Ubuntu, it doesn't matter today, but still)
[00:50] <apachelogger> hm
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> man, non-latin characters for source package names and the like would be a pain
[00:51] <apachelogger> well
[00:51] <apachelogger> valid point though
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> I could see section and priority maybe getting l10n'd
[00:51] <apachelogger> + QL1S in a lib's return is evil I believe
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> but at least section isn't really meant to be human-readable in the first place
[00:51] <apachelogger> for exactly that reason
[00:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dont think l10n'd
[00:52] <apachelogger> think local distro
[00:52] <apachelogger> say a french makes a debian distro for french people ;)
[00:52] <persia> e.g. BlankOn (although that's not French)
[00:54] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[00:54] <debfx> apachelogger: the crash isn't amarok related, qtwebkit is completely broken
[00:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: may I be naggy?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[00:54] <apachelogger> debfx: that is what I said, is it not? ;)
[00:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why do you use @since but \return?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> cargo cult apidox
[00:55] <apachelogger> pardon?
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> but for doxygen :P
[00:55] <apachelogger> how dreadful
[00:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: get your style fixed man :P
[00:56] <apachelogger> also, while I am at it.... technically that ctor there is not a defautl ctor :P
[00:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: google default constructor c++ ibm
[00:56] <kubotu> Results for default constructor c++ ibm: 1. Default constructors (C++ only): http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/comphelp/v8v101/topic/com.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc/language/ref/cplr376.htm | 2. Default constructors (C++ only): http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/cellcomp/v101v121/topic/com.ibm.xlcpp101.cell.doc/language_ref/cplr376.html
[00:56] <kubotu> 3. Initializing base classes and members (C++ only) - IBM: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/comphelp/v8v101/topic/com.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc/language/ref/cplr388.htm
[00:56] <apachelogger> there ya go
[00:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I hope you see where this is leading
[00:57] <apachelogger> :D
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:57] <apachelogger> ...faulty software... :P
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> It was suprisingly easy to implement: http://gitweb.kde.org/libqapt.git/blob/92e1838ae6baf0c40ca8ccade3d4b59a149ae500:/src/debfile.cpp
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> Getting files from the .ar data archive will be a bit harder though
[01:05] <persia> Wouldn't libdpkg be the handy way to dig those out?
[01:09] <apachelogger> persia: last I checked it did not provide anything useful in that direction
[01:10] <persia> Ugh.  Oh well.
[01:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, on that tought ... what debfile is missing is file listing ^^
[01:11] <apachelogger> that is where dpkg-deb code gets dirty btw
[01:11] <apachelogger> like even if they did not have a horrible code style (if one wants to call it style) :P
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, file listing will also require me to extract the .ar somewhere
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> in fact, if you wanted to search for an icon for a thumbnailer you'd need to search the filelist for things that have paths like icons would
[01:15] <apachelogger> well, it is ugly that's for sure
[01:15] <apachelogger> maemo has app icons embedded in a special control field IIRC
[01:15] <apachelogger> makes all sorts of sense IMHO
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> I would like an Enhances-Description field to describe how $package enhances $otherpackage
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> which I could then use for listings addons for $otherpackage
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> oh btw, QtGStreamer is way way way more pleasant to use than regular-flavor gstreamer
[01:25] <valorie> new minty taste?
[01:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is just because you are one of them people who do not like glib c apis :P
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> kill glib with fire!
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> look at its beauty compared to glib-based ugliness: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/5af860db72a411337e7792f52475d2ed953d1f0e/diff/utils/qapt-gst-helper/GstMatcher.cpp
[01:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax_dq4DZk4A
[01:29]  * apachelogger needs to establish a policy ensuring that people only show him java code from now on
[01:31] <valorie> Riddell was right, you're becoming a Jahvuh Witness
[01:32] <apachelogger> well
[01:32] <apachelogger> look at the ugly code there
[01:32] <apachelogger> how could I not
[01:32] <apachelogger> stupid C*
[01:34] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_WI0VI7aIw
[07:52] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: I'm here, btw
[07:52] <valorie> and I'll be around tomorrow night
[09:32] <devurandom> Hi!
[09:32] <devurandom> Where is the repository with the packaging scripts for kubuntu-ppa/backports?
[09:34] <Riddell> afiestas__: but reports by slashdot comments http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1969946&cid=35028236
[09:34] <Riddell> devurandom: there's no packaging scripts
[09:34] <devurandom> How did you package then? Not by hand I assume...
[09:36] <Riddell> we keep the packaging in bzr, check it out, add a new changelog, and build
[09:37] <devurandom> Well, "in bzr" sounds like what I am searching for.
[09:37] <devurandom> Where is that code located, though?
[09:37] <Riddell> bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu
[09:38] <Riddell> see http://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[09:39] <devurandom> Thanks Riddell!
[09:41] <Riddell> devurandom: what's your interest, are you going to become an elite Kubuntu Ninja?
[09:42] <devurandom> No, I am searching for a patch against the plasma-overlay configuration widget, that allows configuring the background image.
[09:48] <debfx> Riddell: the seed blacklist doesn't seem to work, geoip-database is still on the cd
[09:48] <Riddell> humbug
[10:07] <devurandom> Turned out to be no patch by Kubuntu, but my Netbook being unable to do compositing. The plasma-overlay only allows background images in non-compositing mode.
[10:07] <devurandom> But thanks again for your help!
[10:16] <markey> Riddell: cool, after upgrading to KDE 4.6 final, this also magically fixed my issues with the SSH keyring thingie. now it asks me on startup again for the password
[10:16] <markey> passphrase, I mean
[10:17] <markey> and that works :)
[10:36] <afiestas__> Riddell: there are no changes between kde 4.5 and 4.6 that could affect bluedevil 
[10:36] <afiestas__> people thinks that bluedevil is in kdebase or something, but it is not xd
[10:41] <Riddell> debfx: see #u-d
[12:07] <dantti> digikam is crashing for me after 4.6 update is there any ppa with it fixed?
[12:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ^^
[12:19] <yofel> dantti: natty or maverick?
[12:19] <yofel> digikam opens fine here
[12:19] <dantti> yofel: maverick
[12:19] <yofel> k, I'm on natty
[12:19] <dantti> :(
[12:20] <yofel> ah, someone filed a report about that - bug 708564
[12:22] <yofel> dantti: what version of kipi-plugins do you have?
[12:23] <dantti> 1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[12:24] <yofel> hm, we have 1.8.0 in ninjas, so I think that was forgotten when copying
[12:25] <dantti> yofel: right, what is the ppa url so I can try testing?
[12:27]  * Riddell msg'es to dantti the ninjas secret 
[12:30] <dantti> yofel: is the package libkipi8?
[12:31] <Riddell> and kipi-plugins
[12:31]  * apachelogger needs a kronos -.-
[12:31] <apachelogger> ah, wth
[12:31]  * apachelogger packages akunambol himself
[12:31] <Riddell> the packaging todo is building up
[12:31] <apachelogger> I fear I do not even know how packaging works anymore :/
[12:31] <Riddell> currently we have kdepim, grantlee, qtgstreamer, attica, probably others
[12:31] <apachelogger> <3 grantlee
[12:48] <dantti> yofel: ok, installing kipi-plugins-common and libkipi8 solved the crash
[13:09] <yofel> dantti: that needs to be copied then, thanks
[13:09]  * apachelogger ponders changing his nick to javalogger
[13:10] <shadeslayer> no
[13:10] <yofel> change it to public_static_int_main_logger
[13:10] <shadeslayer> theres enough java in the world
[13:10] <shadeslayer> no
[13:10] <shadeslayer> mainlogger()
[13:10] <dantti> yofel: :/ tho the export menu (which I was interested in using) does not show anything
[13:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[13:10] <shadeslayer> dantti: in gwenview?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> or digikam>
[13:11] <yofel> kipi-plugins copied
[13:11] <dantti> shadeslayer: digikan
[13:11] <shadeslayer> thou shall install kipi-plugins for exporting stuff
[13:11] <apachelogger> meh
[13:11] <yofel> lol
[13:11] <apachelogger> packaging is so slow
[13:11] <apachelogger> ...
[13:12] <yofel> Delayed copy of kipi-plugins - 1.8.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 (source, amd64, i386)
[13:12] <yofel> stupid LP
[13:12] <shadeslayer> whut whut
[13:12] <shadeslayer> did no one copy kipi-plugins?
[13:12] <yofel> nope
[13:12] <shadeslayer> -.-
[13:12] <yofel> I did now
[13:15] <shadeslayer> huh
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Y U NO WORK SMB SHARES
[13:16] <shadeslayer> specially you kcmshell
[13:16] <yofel> hm.. bug 709219
[13:16] <yofel> pyth0rn
[13:17] <shadeslayer> everytime you mention python/java/kdebindings a unicorn dies
[13:17] <yofel> eeeeek
[13:17]  * yofel shuts up
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger Riddell Quintasan_ http://i.imgur.com/B3dv9.jpg
[13:19] <Riddell> ho ho ho
[13:19] <yofel> lol
[13:20] <shadeslayer> something i saw in Readers Digest today :P
[13:21] <shadeslayer> oh also
[13:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: python and java are the 2nd leading causes of death among programmers ....
[13:22] <shadeslayer> C++ tops the list tho
[14:17] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan_: "Fix Cache issues using patches for kde4libs" task for neon can be marked as done?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> not yet i think ....
[14:19] <shadeslayer> oh that should probably be added to the issues page
[14:30] <Riddell> fabo: did you ever look at my qt patch review stuff?
[14:49] <ScottK> yofel: 709219 is fixed in Natty.
[14:49] <Riddell> bug 709219
[14:49] <yofel> ah
[14:51] <shadeslayer> anyone want some tea?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> i have a box of chinese tea infront of me :P
[14:52] <ari-tczew> I want some beer, but I can't drink because I'm on pills.
[14:52] <Riddell> ari-tczew: antibiotics being affected by alcohol is mostly an urban myth
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: sorry but i only have http://i.imgur.com/7J5ur.jpg
[14:53] <ari-tczew> Riddell: do you encouraging me to drinking? ;-D
[14:55] <Riddell> no, having a cold or other infection is probably a good reason not to drink alcohol :)
[14:56] <ari-tczew> :>
[15:03] <ari-tczew> pinentry works on natt
[15:03] <ari-tczew> y kubuntu!!!!!
[15:03] <shadeslayer> sadly its not working on natty :(
[15:03] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:03] <shadeslayer> s/natty/maverick
[15:06] <shadeslayer> sigh now *i* need a minion
[15:06] <shadeslayer> i have to write 3 articles for my departmental magazine :S
[15:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: it does work on maverick.
[15:09] <apachelogger> it's fun to stay at the YMCA...
[15:11] <davmor2> \o/ non 0
[15:11] <davmor2> fail
[15:11] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:11] <apachelogger> what did you break
[15:11] <apachelogger> ?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: right ... seems its fixed
[15:12]  * apachelogger considered bug 709219 a feature
[15:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude .. help needed on neon
[15:13] <apachelogger> why is that?
[15:13]  * apachelogger is now going on a break
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the qyoto bindings are all sorts of crap .... they have some dll's which are required by kimono
[15:13] <shadeslayer> and i cant get the dll's to be installed in /opt/project-neon
[15:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/qyoto-ubuntu
[15:14] <shadeslayer> awww
[15:14] <shadeslayer> thou shall help me in your break
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/3531 << current FTBFS
[15:16] <apachelogger> dude
[15:16] <apachelogger> why is qyoto blocking neon?
[15:16] <apachelogger> also I find it silly to have bindings in neon to begin with
[15:16] <apachelogger> as bindings always break randomly due to api changes in libs
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apart from bindings pretty much everything is done i think
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i announced pre alpha on mailing list!
[15:17] <apachelogger> pre alpha aint work nothing
[15:17] <apachelogger> worth even
[15:17] <apachelogger> all in
[15:17] <apachelogger> you need a big launch
[15:17] <apachelogger> with glossy buttons of 2006 and stuff
[15:17] <apachelogger> a website
[15:17] <apachelogger> and a release song (if possible)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging?highlight=%28ProjectNeon%29
[15:18] <shadeslayer> im going to fix these bindings, one way or another
[15:19] <shadeslayer> google makes Java look awesum
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: around?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> nvm
[18:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[19:44] <ryanakca> knmap has vanished from the Debian archive (unstable anyways). What's the procedure to also make it vanish in Kubuntu? (there's already a KDE4 alternative)
[20:24] <ScottK> ryanakca: File a removal bug
[21:09] <ruphy> hi
[21:09] <ruphy> i have an application which has been PPA'd by harald sitter here: https://launchpad.net/~akunambol/+archive/ppa
[21:10] <ruphy> there is a big problem though
[21:10] <ruphy> haaa 
[21:10] <ruphy> no :)
[21:10] <ruphy> harald rocks
[21:10] <ruphy> :)
[21:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hi
[21:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hey ... the issue was resolved :P
[21:42] <Riddell> the best sort of issue