[00:00] <esing> sun-javadb-client is the correct original java plugin?
[00:00] <hblount> cool thanks guys
[00:00] <esing> *searching the original package to avoid incompatibility
[00:01] <szczur> esing, you mean the web browser plugin?
[00:01] <esing> yep
[00:01] <szczur> sun-java6-plugin
[00:01] <esing> grml i installed google earth but cant find it anywhere ^^
[00:03] <esing> not working
[00:03] <esing> sun-java6-plugin
[00:03] <esing> says it is not availabke
[00:04] <szczur> should work
[00:04] <szczur> at least for me
[00:04] <szczur> huh?
[00:05] <esing> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[00:05] <esing> then it says it is not available
[00:05] <szczur> did you enables the partners repository?
[00:05] <szczur> run synaptic
[00:06] <esing> no
[00:06] <esing> ok
[00:06] <szczur> Settings -> Repositories
[00:06] <szczur> on "Other sources" tab
[00:06] <szczur> or something like that
[00:06] <szczur> second tab :)
[00:07] <szczur> tick the partners repository and close the window
[00:07] <szczur> refresh the list of packages
[00:07] <szczur> and search for sun java plugin
[00:07] <szczur> these are the java packages i have installed
[00:07] <szczur> http://szczur.ath.cx/java.png
[00:09] <esing> not working
[00:09] <esing> :D
[00:10] <esing> commonjava is listed but java6 plugin not
[00:11] <szczur> hmm, should be
[00:11] <szczur> refreshed the package list?
[00:11] <esing> yes
[00:11] <esing> mb I should remove icedtea6 first?
[00:12] <szczur> and your repositories looks something like http://szczur.ath.cx/repo.png
[00:12] <szczur> ?
[00:12] <szczur> i mean the first entry
[00:13] <esing> yes first two entries exisdt
[00:13] <esing> others on the bottom dont
[00:13] <szczur> exists and are ticked?
[00:13] <szczur> :)
[00:13] <esing> sure
[00:13] <esing> :)
[00:14] <szczur> hmm, then i don't really know
[00:14] <esing> hehe :D
[00:14] <esing> nvm
[00:14] <szczur> sun java plugin is in partners repo
[00:14] <esing> maybe i find out tomorrow
[00:14] <esing> icedtea6 i can remove tho?
[00:14]  * szczur is puzzled
[00:14] <szczur> don't know what is it so i'm not the right person to ask :P
[00:15] <szczur> wait for a moment
[00:15] <szczur> ahh, free java plugin
[00:15] <szczur> you can remove it if you want
[00:16] <esing> can i install java6 plugin directly from java.com?
[00:16] <esing> or will it be too dificult to compile etc?
[00:17] <esing> (never done before)
[00:17] <esing> i have found it now
[00:17] <esing> :D
[00:18] <szczur> i wouldn't do it. There may be more problems with removing it and etc. :P
[00:18] <esing> y ^^
[00:18] <esing> it worked now
[00:18] <esing> I looked under J not S
[00:18] <esing> ^^
[00:18] <esing> :P
[00:19] <szczur> so you have sun java now
[00:19] <szczur> i should say Oracle
[00:20] <szczur> :)
[00:20] <esing> yea :D
[00:20] <szczur> ^^
[00:20] <esing> wi
[00:20] <esing> with ur help
[00:20] <szczur> glad you worked it out :)
[00:20] <esing> thanks :)
[00:21] <szczur> no problem
[00:21] <szczur> i'm bioterror's mentee. need to collect points :)
[00:21] <szczur> ^^
[00:21] <szczur> I need
[00:21] <szczur> *
[00:22] <esing> hehe
[00:23] <esing> i can agree you captured 100% of possible points ;D
[00:24] <szczur> ^^
[00:24] <esing> synaptic crashed
[00:24] <esing> *G*
[00:24] <esing> taskmanager doesnt show synaptic either
[00:24] <esing> *strange*
[00:37] <esing> *lol*
[00:37] <esing> now my system seem damaged
[00:38] <szczur> what synaptic says?
[00:40] <esing> it says something about dpkg process
[00:40] <esing> E: dpkg process is stopped
[00:40] <esing> "you have to to do manually sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:40] <szczur> then run it :)
[00:40] <esing> k ^^
[00:40] <szczur> it should work
[00:41] <esing> now it says
[00:41] <esing> The independences of 1 package of the system is defect
[00:41] <esing> chose filter "fecet packages " to show them
[00:42] <szczur> did you run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[00:42] <szczur> it shows it after running it, right?
[00:42] <esing> yes
[00:42] <esing> i run first sudo dpk ..
[00:42] <szczur> 'k
[00:42] <esing> then I restarted synpactic
[00:43] <esing> then it says 1 package is damaged
[00:43] <esing> it is java
[00:43] <esing> because java didnt install correctly
[00:43] <esing> what should I do now?
[00:43] <szczur> try to reinstall it
[00:43] <szczur> rightclick
[00:43] <szczur> select reinstall
[00:44] <esing> do I need sun-java6.jre
[00:44] <esing> or only sun-java6-bin + plugin?
[00:44] <szczur> jre too
[00:44] <szczur> i think
[00:46] <esing> now the same screen occures as before. it stops and when I click on details I see a shell with configure sun-java6.bin
[00:47] <szczur> close the synaptic
[00:47] <esing> not possible
[00:48] <szczur> what is in the shell?
[00:48] <szczur> can you do the screenshot
[00:48] <szczur> with details opened?
[00:48] <esing> i try to make a screenshot
[00:48] <esing> but how do i do this?
[00:48] <esing> i cant find "print" on my laptop
[00:48] <szczur> this would be helpful :)
[00:48] <szczur> hmm
[00:48] <esing> i found print
[00:48] <esing> i cant paste the picture in gimp
[00:48] <esing> hmm
[00:49] <szczur> check your home folder
[00:49] <szczur> if there's file that have scrot in it's name
[00:49] <esing> ah full of pictures there *G* ^^
[00:49] <szczur> ack :/
[00:51] <szczur> run terminal
[00:51] <esing> sec
[00:51] <szczur> run this command
[00:51] <szczur> scrot -d 2 synaptic.png
[00:51] <szczur> and go back to synaptic
[00:51] <szczur> :)
[00:52] <esing2> http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3875/201101280148341400x1050.png
[00:52] <esing> *G*
[00:52] <szczur> ohh
[00:52] <esing> two laptops here
[00:52] <esing> :)
[00:52] <esing> now iam with xchat online
[00:52] <szczur> ahh :P
[00:52] <szczur> click on the details "window"
[00:52] <szczur> pres tab
[00:53] <szczur> press enter
[00:53] <esing> lol
[00:53] <szczur> orr, press tab until the OK "button"
[00:53] <szczur> is highlighted
[00:53] <esing2> so funny
[00:53] <szczur> worked?
[00:53] <esing2> i would have had been stuck along time at that point
[00:53] <esing2> sure it worked :D
[00:53] <esing2> thanks
[00:53] <szczur> heh
[00:54] <szczur> and i would recommend installing
[00:54] <szczur> one package
[00:54] <szczur> for the future
[00:54] <esing> heh
[00:54] <esing> :))
[00:54] <szczur> one moment
[00:54] <szczur> libgnome2-perl
[00:54] <szczur> this will create wonderful normal GTK windows
[00:55] <szczur> not these text ones
[00:55] <szczur> :>
[00:55] <esing> hehe
[00:55] <szczur> long night i'd say :)
[00:55] <esing> damn ye
[00:55] <esing> you live in europe too?
[00:55] <szczur> yup :)
[00:55] <esing> poland?
[00:56] <esing> ^^
[00:56] <szczur> how did you know
[00:56] <szczur> ahh, my ISP
[00:56] <esing> because you told me earlier
[00:56] <esing> :)
[00:56] <esing> and your screenshot
[00:56] <szczur> true
[00:56] <esing> iam from germany
[00:56] <esing> very late
[00:56] <esing> its 1:56 now
[00:56] <szczur> i know this :)
[00:56] <esing> not good
[00:56] <esing> ^^
[00:56] <szczur> from your screenshot
[00:57] <esing> hehe
[00:57] <szczur> with "long night", i wanted to say that i bet that there will be something more to do :)
[00:57] <esing> lol
[00:57] <szczur> it always ends like this :)
[00:57] <esing> heheheh
[00:58] <szczur> i screwed up my friends\ ubuntu installation
[00:58] <esing2> lol what happened
[00:58] <szczur> because i wanted to make TV-OUT in his laptop work properly
[00:58] <esing2> grml ^
[00:58] <szczur> and i mage couple of xorg.confs
[00:58] <esing2> tv and linux is more difficult than in windows
[00:58] <szczur> and a script to switch between them
[00:59] <szczur> but when it still ended up on being b/w
[00:59] <szczur> i gave up
[00:59] <szczur> and wanted to remove the files
[00:59] <esing2> lol
[00:59] <szczur> i wasn't thinking at that moment
[01:00] <esing2> you had no backup?
[01:00] <esing2> ^
[01:00] <szczur> and i issued the sudo rm -rfv /etc/X11/* command
[01:00] <esing2> hehe
[01:00] <szczur> so it removed all the files, showing all the destruction
[01:00] <esing2> wow
[01:01] <szczur> i ended up doing reinstallation to 5 AM
[01:01] <szczur> since it was 2 AM while i did the most stupid thing in my life :)
[01:01] <esing2> i bet you learned much of this ^
[01:01] <szczur> yeah :)
[01:01] <szczur> ^^
[01:02] <esing2> i wonder
[01:02] <esing2> where i can find google earth
[01:02] <szczur> think twice when you're going to edit something in /etc :P
[01:02] <szczur> on google :P
[01:02] <esing2> ye ^^
[01:02] <esing2> i alread installed the package
[01:03] <szczur> i have an idea, run synaptic, find the package
[01:03] <esing2> good idea :D
[01:03] <szczur> rightclick it > select the properties
[01:04] <szczur> select the installed files tab
[01:04] <szczur> and check what files are in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[01:04] <szczur> then when you got the name
[01:04] <szczur> you can run the program from terminal
[01:05] <esing2> i tried this alread
[01:05] <esing2> but it doesnt work ^^
[01:05] <szczur> for example the file is called /usr/bin/googlespysystem
[01:05] <szczur> so run googlespysystem
[01:05] <szczur> ohhh
[01:05] <esing2> lol
[01:05] <szczur> from where you got the package?
[01:06] <esing2> apt get
[01:06] <esing2> nah
[01:06] <esing2> from synaptci
[01:06] <szczur> you mean googleearth-package
[01:06] <szczur> this one?
[01:06] <esing2> yep
[01:06] <szczur> 5 sec
[01:06] <szczur> i'm doing it right now :)
[01:06] <esing2> *G*^^
[01:07] <szczur> there's program called make-googleearth-package
[01:07] <esing2> mhm
[01:08] <esing2> ah it is only a tool
[01:08] <szczur> now it is downloading some file from google
[01:08] <esing2> to make a debia package of google earth
[01:08] <esing2> *debian
[01:08] <szczur> i think it is the program
[01:08] <szczur> yup
[01:08] <esing2> mhm
[01:08] <szczur> google earth doesn't weight only 80 kB
[01:08] <esing2> ^^
[01:08] <szczur> not really a debian package i think
[01:09] <szczur> don't know
[01:09] <szczur> will se
[01:09] <szczur> e
[01:09] <szczur> 2 minutes left
[01:10] <szczur> 1Mbit is killing me :)
[01:11] <esing> y ^^
[01:11] <szczur> 30 sec left
[01:12] <szczur> will se if it formats hdd, make my monitor explode
[01:12] <szczur> or simply run google earth
[01:12] <esing> ^^
[01:15] <szczur> yeah, it build the package
[01:15] <szczur> even found the website
[01:15] <szczur> about it
[01:15] <szczur> http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-install-google-earth-in-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[01:16] <esing> ah ok
[01:16] <esing> so I do it without synapctics
[01:16] <szczur> you already installed the needed package
[01:16] <szczur> -the
[01:16] <szczur> just run make-googleearth-package --force
[01:17] <szczur> ahh, and if you're running 32 bit system
[01:17] <szczur> don't run first command
[01:17] <szczur> "sudo apt-get install ia32-libs lib32nss-mdns" << this one
[01:18] <szczur> hmm, from the comments it feels like it failed to work :/
[01:22] <esing> nah
[01:22] <esing> it worked perfectly :D
[01:22] <esing> i just had to wait
[01:22] <esing> until synapctic finished
[01:22] <esing> installing openoffice :D
[01:23] <esing> and iam a little slower now due iam so tired as hell ^^
[01:24] <esing> it is still working ..
[01:24] <esing> with a lot warning
[01:25] <szczur> the make-googleearth-package command
[01:25] <szczur> ?
[01:25] <szczur> same for me
[01:25] <esing> yus
[01:25] <esing2> wow it takes much time ^
[01:25] <esing2> still not finished
[01:27] <szczur> wait some more
[01:27] <szczur> if it willl not stop
[01:27] <szczur> press Ctrl+C
[01:27] <szczur> i'm trying something else
[01:27] <szczur> what ubuntu version you're running right now?
[01:27] <esing2> now it says success
[01:27] <esing2> iam running lubuntu 10.10
[01:27] <szczur> 10.10?
[01:28] <esing2> yes
[01:28] <szczur> ohh
[01:28] <szczur> it finished?
[01:28] <esing2> yep
[01:29] <esing2> hmm
[01:29] <esing2> sec
[01:29] <szczur> or you pressed the Ctrl+C?
[01:29] <esing2> yes i run lubuntu 10.10
[01:29] <esing2> no i didnt press ctrl c
[01:29] <esing2> it finished well
[01:29] <esing2> but the last sudo dpkg -i googleearth_5.2.1.1588+0.5.7-1_amd64.deb
[01:29] <esing2> doesnt work
[01:30] <szczur> amd64?
[01:30] <esing2> no
[01:30] <szczur> you're running 64 bit system?
[01:30] <esing2> celeron 1,8
[01:30] <esing2> 32 bit
[01:30] <szczur> then why it creatied the 64bit package
[01:30] <szczur> :/
[01:30] <esing2> i just followed the instruction on your link
[01:31] <szczur> did you run the sudo apt-get install ia32-libs lib32nss-mdns command?
[01:31] <esing2> ye sure
 don't run first command
 "sudo apt-get install ia32-libs lib32nss-mdns" << this one
[01:31] <esing2> i did run it
[01:31] <esing2> lol
[01:31] <szczur> then uninstall these packages
[01:31] <esing2> why
[01:31] <szczur> it's for 64 bit systems
[01:31] <esing2> grml
[01:31] <esing2> ^
[01:32] <esing2> how can I uninstall it?
[01:32] <szczur> sudo apt-get purge ia32-libs lib32nss-mdns
[01:32] <szczur> he wrote it on the top of thej page
[01:32] <szczur> that he's running 64 bit system
[01:32] <szczur> that's why he had to install it
[01:32] <esing2> lol
[01:32] <esing2> iam dumb
[01:32] <esing2> iam too tired
[01:32] <esing2> ok it finished deleting
[01:32] <szczur> remove these packages
[01:32] <esing2> now?
[01:33] <szczur> and run make-googleearth once again
[01:33] <szczur> or wait
[01:33] <szczur> i'm trying something
[01:34] <szczur> hmm, you know what?
[01:34] <esing2> ye?
[01:34] <szczur> download and install this package
[01:34] <szczur> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/g/googleearth/googleearth_5.1.3533.1731-0medibuntu1_i386.deb
[01:35] <esing2> ok
[01:35] <szczur> faster than waiting to end the make-whatever command
[01:35] <hblount> hi. i just installed google earth but when i try to start it, nothing happens. any idea whats wrong?
[01:36] <szczur> you installed google earth with apt get
[01:37] <szczur> I mean googleearth-package
[01:37] <szczur> from where you get these ideas :P
[01:38] <szczur> esing asked the same thing 30 min earlier :)
[01:38] <esing2> lol
[01:38] <szczur> ok, maybe not 30 min
[01:38] <esing2> hblount is trolling me :D
[01:38] <szczur> but the same thing :)
[01:38] <esing2> he asks the same things as i do
[01:38] <esing2> :D
[01:38] <szczur> ^^
[01:38] <esing2> *G*
[01:38] <esing2> I bet he is bioterror
[01:38] <esing2> :)
[01:38] <szczur> hahahahah
[01:39] <esing2> *lol*
[01:39] <szczur> he's testing me
[01:39] <szczur> :)
[01:39] <esing2> yes ! ^^
[01:39] <szczur> bioterror, CONFESS!!!
[01:39] <esing2> *lol*
[01:41] <szczur> hblount, you're running 32 or 64 bit system?
[01:41] <szczur> and esing2, does the package work?
[01:41] <szczur> have you installed it?
[01:42] <esing2> hm I think i use the old package i installed yet
[01:42] <szczur> the one created by make-thing?
[01:43] <szczur> it is not installed right now i think
[01:43] <esing2> hmm
[01:43] <szczur> if it would be you would have google earth in Internet submenu
[01:43] <esing2> the one installed with synapatic
[01:43] <szczur> the googleearth-package is only the script to download the program
[01:44] <szczur> and make the normal package
[01:44] <esing2> now I used this again sudo make-googleearth-package --force
[01:44] <szczur> you created one
[01:44] <esing2> yes
[01:44] <szczur> ...for 64bit system
[01:44] <esing2> with synaptic ealier
[01:44] <szczur> aaah, you created another one
[01:44] <esing2> yep after i installed the google earth package with synaptic icreate rnother one
[01:44] <esing2> yep
[01:44] <esing2> :)
[01:44] <szczur> so my work is done
[01:44] <esing2> yus
[01:44] <esing2> thx
[01:44] <esing2> i go sleeping too soon
[01:44] <esing2> i have to tell bioterror
[01:44] <szczur> hblount, are you here?
[01:45] <esing2> that you are very good in linux
[01:45] <szczur> it went from menu through java ending on google earth
[01:45] <szczur> i knew it it won't be normal night
[01:45] <esing2> lol
[01:45] <szczur> esing2, i think he knows it :)
[01:46] <esing2> ye me too ^^
[01:51] <szczur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR1Mmxr2Cb4&feature=share
[01:52] <esing2> damn notihng works
[01:52] <esing2> should I deinstall al?
[01:53] <esing2> damn iam starving in tiredness :D
[01:53] <esing2> so late in germany
[01:56] <hblount> hi. sorry. it installed properly i think.it is in menu
[01:56] <hblount> 32bit
[01:56] <esing2> mhm
[01:57] <esing2> i tried this too
[01:57] <esing2> and it is in menu aswell
[01:57] <esing2> but it doesnt run
[01:57] <esing2> yours running?
[01:57] <esing2> hblount
[01:57] <hblount> nothing happens at all when u click it right?
[01:57] <esing> ye
[01:57] <esing> nothing happens
[01:57] <hblount> yeah same here
[01:57] <esing> strange
[01:58] <szczur> with the version from the medibuntu?
[01:58] <szczur> or make-googleearth
[01:58] <szczur> ?
[01:58] <esing> no from synaptics
[01:58] <esing> i think it is medibuntu
[01:58] <hblount> i downloaded from google earth website and it let me choose "install"
[01:58] <szczur> i mean, the package that i gave link to it
[01:59] <esing> how can I download that package
[01:59] <esing> pls send the link again
[01:59] <szczur> or the one that you build with the instructions from the webpage
[01:59] <szczur> ok
[01:59] <szczur> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/g/googleearth/googleearth_5.1.3533.1731-0medibuntu1_i386.deb
[01:59] <szczur> this package works for me
[01:59] <szczur> please remove all other google eath packages before
[02:00] <esing> if i put that link
[02:01] <esing> in my browser i get redirected to ubuntuusers.de
[02:01] <szczur> huh?
[02:01] <szczur> hmm
[02:01] <esing> ah
[02:01] <esing> now it works
[02:01] <szczur> works for me
[02:01] <szczur> run terminal
[02:01] <esing> chromeus shows it in the bottom
[02:01] <szczur> heh :)
[02:02] <esing> it is downloaded now
[02:02] <esing> how should i run it?
[02:02] <esing> double clickß
[02:03] <szczur> doubleclick should install it
[02:03] <szczur> or run terminal
[02:03] <szczur> go to the folder where you downloaded it
[02:03] <szczur> and run
[02:03] <szczur> sudo dpkg -i googleearth_5.1.3533.1731-0medibuntu1_i386.deb
[02:03] <szczur> damn, i forgot about my kettle
[02:03] <esing> only 16 mb file
[02:04] <esing> uhm hurry ^^
[02:04] <szczur> i would make my kitchen burn :)
[02:04] <esing> kettles are dangerous
[02:04] <esing> ^^
[02:04] <esing> and everything for me ^^
[02:04] <szczur> phew :)
[02:04] <esing> :)
[02:04] <szczur> now just drink some tea :)
[02:05] <szczur> yes, it is only 16 MB, and it works fo rme
[02:05] <esing> what should i do now
[02:05] <esing> it finished
[02:05] <szczur> at least i was able to track down osama bin laden
[02:05] <esing> ^^
[02:05] <szczur> and my car on the outside
[02:05] <esing> it works
[02:05] <esing> awesome :D
[02:05] <szczur> my sisters car
[02:05] <esing> THX
[02:05] <szczur> i don't have one
[02:05] <szczur> no problem
[02:06] <esing> uhm
[02:06] <esing> computer crashed
[02:06] <esing> again ^^
[02:07] <esing> ômg
[02:07] <esing> 3:06
[02:07] <esing> i gotta go offline
[02:07] <esing> :)
[02:07] <szczur> maan :P
[02:07] <esing> szczur pls go sleeping too ^^
[02:07] <szczur> check your ram
[02:07] <szczur> maybe it is the problem
[02:07] <esing> ye mb
[02:07] <szczur> not now
[02:07] <esing> got 1,5 gb
[02:07] <szczur> house md is waiting in the dvd drive
[02:08] <szczur> i was going to watch at least one episode :P
[02:08] <szczur> and i made some tea
[02:08] <szczur> :)
[02:08] <szczur> hblount, does it work for you too?
[02:09] <hblount> i was gonna wait and see if it worked for esing
[02:09] <szczur> ahh, mkay
[02:09] <szczur> safer way :)
[02:09] <hblount> how do i uninstall all google earth packages?
[02:09] <esing> i uninstalled it with synaptcics
[02:10] <esing> Just unmarked google earth packages
[02:10] <hblount> and you said this other one works for you?
[02:12] <esing> yes
[02:12] <esing> Just download it from the link
[02:12] <esing> double click it in the folder downloads
[02:12] <esing> and install it
[02:12] <esing> finished
[02:12] <esing> then go to menu / internet / googleearth
[02:12] <esing> szczur can I delete the .deb file now?
[02:13] <esing> or do I need it ?
[02:13] <esing> I will go offline now
[02:13] <esing> too late
[02:13] <szczur> you can remove it
[02:13] <esing> ok
[02:13] <esing> thx
[02:13] <esing> Have nice night
[02:13] <esing> cu
[02:13] <szczur> no problem
[02:13] <szczur> see you tomorrow
[02:23] <hblount> ok i try it too. thanks tea sipper
[02:24] <szczur> heh :)
[02:24] <szczur> no problem
[03:45] <Juanantonio> Hello, there
[03:45] <Juanantonio> I got a little problem
[03:46] <Juanantonio> I installed lucid to a PIII and it goes wonderfully, but I updated yesterday and it is not recognizing my 1680x1050@60 resolution
[03:46] <Juanantonio> What should I do?
[04:10] <bioterror> Juanantonio, you have to make xorg.conf and put resolution there
[04:10] <Juanantonio> Yes, I am being helped in ubuntu-es, thanks
[04:10] <Juanantonio> I will see if I manage
[04:10] <Juanantonio> By the way, lubuntu is wonderful
[04:13] <bioterror> you cheated us with a loco channel :( ;)
[04:14] <Juanantonio> loco channel
[04:14] <Juanantonio> no, no, hehehe
[04:14] <bioterror> local community
[04:14] <Juanantonio> Oh, yes, that's it
[09:27] <charliemac> How do I choose the correct Partitioning option when following <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows> ?
[09:47] <quem> hey, i guess this question would've worked in #ubuntu too.. but anyway.
[09:47] <quem> just wondering if it's possible to install lubuntu on a fat32 file system?
[09:48] <quem> i guess permissions would be a problem.
[09:48] <quem> but for the purpose i intend, it'd be convenient.
[09:48] <quem> (lubuntu on a usb memory so i can carry it with me.)
[09:50] <MrChrisDruif> quem: USB can also be reformatted to NTFS etc....
[09:53] <quem> would i be ableto install lubuntu on ntfs?
[09:54] <esing> good morning
[09:55] <esing> i wonder how I can see a files format in lubuntu
[09:56] <MrChrisDruif> quem: You can also format to Ext2,3,4
[09:57] <MrChrisDruif> I think the best of those three would be 2 or 4 in 2 mode.....journaling turned of.....journaling on USB causes unwanted writes
[09:57] <esing> (more exactly the file ending)
[09:59] <esing> MrChrisDruif you present?
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> Yes half :)
[10:01] <quem_> MrChrisDruif: currently i have two partitions on it, 6gb ext3 with ubuntu 10.04 and 2gb fat32, so i can use it on windows systems too if i want to transfer something to it.
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> Little bit wasted from yesterday
[10:01] <esing> lol **
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> Would work I think :)
[10:01] <quem_> can't linux just ignore all about ownership and permissions somehow... :)
[10:02] <quem> guess carrying two memories with me is an option too.. they're not clumsy after all.
[10:03] <quem> love those really really small ones by verbatim.
[10:03] <MrChrisDruif> Little pendrives aren't too big to carry around
[10:03] <quem> http://www.beststuff.com/images/articles/031009j.jpg
[10:03] <quem> yeah, i keep that 8gb in my wallet. heh. i guess it should be half the price by now.
[10:04] <MrChrisDruif> quem: Why have you got Ubuntu on ext3?
[10:04] <MrChrisDruif> On the pendrive?
[10:04] <quem> installed it long ago
[10:04] <quem> well, not that long.
[10:05] <quem> journalling unneccessary or should i rather use ext4?
[10:06] <MrChrisDruif> Well....afaik is ext3 just ext2 with journaling...
[10:06] <MrChrisDruif> On a normal HDD that isn't a problem, but on flash memory...meh...
[10:06] <quem> yeah
[10:06] <quem> ahhhh... yeah.
[10:06] <quem> more writes.
[10:06] <quem> that's a very good point.
[10:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yup...
[10:06] <quem> that's why i disabled swap on it.
[10:06] <quem> thanks for pointing it out
[10:07] <MrChrisDruif> But...what I've read somewhere that you can use ext4 speed without journaling...
[10:07] <quem> ah
[10:07]  * quem checks the tune2fs man page
[10:08] <quem> reading about the ext4 features, i get reminded of how i've always  missed creation timestamps...
[10:10] <quem> lazy me googled, http://fenidik.blogspot.com/2010/03/ext4-disable-journal.html
[10:11] <MrChrisDruif> Good going O:-)
[10:11] <quem> :)
[10:12] <charliemac> How can I to choose the right partitioning method from <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows> ?
[10:12] <quem> preparing for a trip to cameroon, wife thinks i'm nuts about bringing all the electronic junk i'm packing
[10:13] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed you are :) (sorry if I offended you :))
[10:14] <charliemac> I was thinking of saving about 1/3 of the 80 GB hard disk for the remnants of WinXP in case I screw up the linux partition lol
[10:14] <quem> hehe
[10:15] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: For a beginning ubuntero it's indeed a pretty good idea to keep the "known" Windows XP on the drive :)
[10:16] <quem> the ubuntu installer uses parted right? and can resize partitions?
[10:16] <charliemac> Yes, I thought so!  Would that entail resizing the c:/ partition?
[10:16] <MrChrisDruif> But when you boot from the USB or CD and go into live-mode you can use gparted to first partition your drive if you want.....or use the installer's partition section
[10:17] <charliemac> I'm not sure I can use the USB or CD methods because my computer's a little funny that way...
[10:17] <MrChrisDruif> And yes, that would mean you resize "C:/" ;) (or sda1 in Ubuntu)
[10:17] <MrChrisDruif> Gparted should recognize the Windows partition etc...
[10:18] <quem> you should be able to configure that in bios charliemac
[10:18] <quem> boot order and options
[10:20] <MrChrisDruif> If your question is if your computer can boot from CD or USB....that kind of thing you check/alter in the bios or the bootmanager or whatever it's called...the latter is for single boot from a different media
[10:20] <charliemac> USB doesn't even show up in my boot menu, and I tried booting from the CD thru BIOS, but it couldn't make it happen!  Kinda sad, not sure why.  Currently in progress w/ Grub
[10:21] <charliemac> *GRUB
[10:21] <MrChrisDruif> We understood what you mend with Grub :)
[10:22] <MrChrisDruif> But how do you mean that? Progressing with Grub?
[10:24] <charliemac> Oh lol, I'm in the middle of installation already, but when it asked me about partitioning disks, I froze.  In over my head?
[10:24] <MrChrisDruif> Nah...your not :)
[10:28] <charliemac> I was planning a windows partition, a fat-32 partition for shared files, a 3-5 GB swap/paging partion, and the rest I don't know lol
[10:29] <charliemac> Would that require manual partitioning, LVM, or guided partitioning?
[10:35] <MrChrisDruif> That would be manual I think...guided only asks for swap & separate /home
[10:37] <esing> MrChrisDruif xeon-enouf where can I start the programm I deleted the short link from?
[10:38] <MrChrisDruif> What do you mean?
[10:44] <MrChrisDruif> esing: ^
[10:51] <esing> short question
[10:51] <esing> where can I see all programs I installed yet in a list?
[10:51] <esing> (only in synaptic when i installed it through synaptic?)
[10:52] <bioterror> dpkg -l
[10:52] <esing> MrChrisDruif I mean when I deleted the symlink, but I found out , i can find it in /usr/bin mostly or with which
[10:52] <esing> thx bioterror
[10:52] <bioterror> esing, always use apt-get or dpkg for installing ;)
[10:52] <MrChrisDruif> You can also save that list with piping right bioterror?
[10:53] <bioterror> dpkg -l > installed.txt
[10:53] <esing> awesome thx
[10:53] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: Synaptic is a GUI for apt-get right? ;)
[10:53] <bioterror> yep
[10:53] <esing> btw bioterror your friend xzdecze helped me much yester day ^
[10:53] <esing> thx alot
[10:53] <bioterror> esing, I noticed from log, he's a great guy
[10:53] <bioterror> no wonder he's my padawan ;)
[10:53] <esing> hehe
[10:54] <esing> *g*
[10:54] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[10:54] <esing> ( is it possible to search within a shell?)
[10:54] <esing> (because dpkg -l shows alot programs) ^^
[10:54] <bioterror> esing, what you want to search
[10:55] <MrChrisDruif> dpkg -l shows installed programs
[10:55] <esing> I'd like to search within the list of dpkg -l
[10:55] <esing> in firefox I can click ctrl +f and search a text
[10:55] <MrChrisDruif> apt-cache search pidgin searches the repos for anything pidgin
[10:55] <esing> I'd like to search the text within the shell too
[10:56] <MrChrisDruif> Well...you could save it to a text file and search that atleast....but I think that it should also be possible to search with dpkg
[10:56] <bioterror> esing, dpkg -l |grep shell
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror is more technically inclined O:-)
[10:57] <esing> ^^
[10:57] <esing> thnx
[10:57] <bioterror> esing, dpkg -L bash |less
[10:59] <bioterror> I've kept some apt-get/dpkg teaching in here before too
[11:00] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, the more you use it, the easier it becomes :)
[11:00] <esing> dpkg -l |grep shell is an awesome search command
[11:00] <esing> i will note it down
[11:01] <bioterror> esing, apt-cache search game |grep mmorpg
[11:01] <bioterror> actually
[11:01] <bioterror> you dont need grep for apt-cache
[11:02] <bioterror> you can do it 'apt-cache search project gantt'
[11:03] <charliemac> How can I avoid using guided partitioning (in GRUB) when there is 3.8 GB empty space at the beginning of the disk?
[11:05] <bioterror> charliemac, ?!
[11:06] <charliemac> I could just leave it there as an empty partition (FAT-32, used to contain recovery data)
[11:06] <bioterror> you can boot livecd, use gparted for deleting it and move it to another partition with resize
[11:07] <bioterror> I think
[11:07] <bioterror> :D
[11:07] <MrChrisDruif> afk
[11:09] <charliemac> I would if i could, trust me! ;)  (Lol, my laptop refuses to boot from the CD)
[11:11] <esing> gotta go swimming x) catch you later up :)
[11:11] <esing> thx again
[11:14] <charliemac> LVM?
[11:37] <MrChrisDruif> Logical Volume Manager
[11:37] <MrChrisDruif> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
[11:39] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't know how that works
[11:40] <charliemac> Can my swap partition be at the beginning at the disk?  I have 3.8GB of unused space there...
[11:40] <bioterror> can
[11:43] <charliemac> Is there a downside?
[11:43] <MrChrisDruif> Not that I know of....beginning is center of the disk if I'm not mistaking :)
[11:44] <MrChrisDruif> So would be better I would guess
[11:44] <bioterror> yes
[11:44] <bioterror> as the reader head moves less, it's faster
[11:45] <charliemac> Cool, good coincidence
[11:47] <charliemac> How do I make the choice between primary and logical?
[11:48] <MrChrisDruif> Logical isn't a "real" partition....you can put real/functional partitions on it...
[11:50] <MrChrisDruif> Seeing a Linux partition can easily take up 3 partitions (/,swap,/home) you can decide to put them all on a logical partition
[11:51] <quem> may i disturb you again, MrChrisDruif ? ;) any software i must not forget to bring with me?
[11:51]  * quem has already installed important things such as snes and nes emulators
[11:51] <MrChrisDruif> How do you mean? Which software, bringing it were?
[11:52] <charliemac> Okay.   How much space will I need for the various linux partitions?
[11:56] <quem> to cameroon.
[11:57] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: If you want you can only take / (root partition), swap and /home are optional..
[12:00] <charliemac> It looks like (<http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018>, <http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partitioning>) some of those optional partitions might be helpful, as well as bonus fat-32 space.
[12:04] <MrChrisDruif> The swap needs to be AS big or bigger than the systems RAM for Hibernation and /home is handy for your files...so they won't be deleted when you reïnstall
[12:05] <charliemac> Ok.  What does "mount point" indicate?
[12:07] <charliemac> How do I determine which mount point I would select?
[12:07] <MrChrisDruif> Well....:P
[12:08] <MrChrisDruif> Root partition (which is necessary :P) is /
[12:08] <MrChrisDruif> Home partition is /home
[12:08] <MrChrisDruif> And linux swap is swap
[12:09] <charliemac> lol ok because it's asked between " dos, windows, enter manually," and "don't mount" and I don't really know how to choose.
[12:10] <MrChrisDruif> What?
[12:11] <szczur> charliemac, what filesystem did you choose for the partition
[12:11] <szczur> sounds like fat or ntfs
[12:12] <charliemac> Went to set up a new partition, and after selecting file system, Fat-32, because it can be accessed from both WinXP & Ubuntu, and next I had to choose the mount-point and other mount options
[12:13] <szczur> you can't intsall ubuntu on fat or ntfs filesystem. you can acess these partitions but installation is not possible
[12:14] <szczur> for / you need to choose ext or reiserfs
[12:14] <szczur> don't know if /home needs to be the same
[12:14] <szczur> probably yes
[12:14] <charliemac> Ok, but I'll still set up the / partition last.  Will 30GB suffice?  Overkill?  (I want to include the / as a primary and /home etc. as logical)
[12:15] <szczur> 30GB will be enough
[12:15] <szczur> even little too much
[12:16] <charliemac> Too much for root and home combined with whatever other data I may wish to backup?
[12:17] <szczur> if you create /home as separate partition you don't have to format it if you're going to reinstall the system
[12:18] <szczur> so even the programs configuration stays
[12:18] <szczur> and /home is the place when you normally keep data
[12:18] <szczur> so on / there's only installed programs
[12:18] <szczur> i have 15 GB for it
[12:18] <szczur> and it is enough for me
[12:20] <charliemac> I'm cosidering the advice of the "guru" who started the <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018> thread, claiming that /data is better than /home - only for multi-linux computers?
[12:20] <MrChrisDruif> I've got 10GB for /
[12:24] <szczur> charliemac, he have /data partition to backup important data
[12:25] <MrChrisDruif>  /data partition?
[12:25] <szczur> "you have a separate /home for some data and a separate /data partition to backup important data."
[12:25] <szczur> MrChrisDruif, i talking about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018
[12:25] <charliemac> What about a seperate partition for windows paging?
[12:31] <charliemac> Nevermind windows paging, its not like there was one before lol
[12:32] <victor__> hello! i have a netbook and ubuntu gnome is too heavy... what differences lubuntu from ubuntu?
[12:32] <MrChrisDruif> That it uses LXDE instead of Gnome :)
[12:33] <victor__> lol but what's the relation between lxde and openbox?
[12:34] <MrChrisDruif> Otherwise you should be able to do the same jobs on both systems...might be a little less flashy
[12:35] <MrChrisDruif> Well LXDE uses OpenBox as Window Manager if I'm not mistaking...
[12:35] <victor__> and the performance get better with lxde?
[12:37] <MrChrisDruif> That I don't know....but LXDE is like the abbr. stands for Lightweight X Desktop Environment....it's a complete set of tools for desktop :)
[12:37] <MrChrisDruif> Need to reboot....new kernel update :P
[12:38] <victor__> and is it possible to set thunar or nautilus elementary as the default files manager?
[12:46] <victor__> MrChrisDruif,
[12:46] <victor__> and is it possible to set thunar or nautilus elementary as the default files manager?
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> Yes?
[12:47] <MrChrisDruif> Sure it is....but PCmanFM is also very light and works well with LXDE
[12:49] <victor__> MrChrisDruif, yes but what about installing dropbox? :S
[12:50] <charliemac> Is Gnome or KDE more user-friendly than LXDE for someone coming off windows?
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> I've heard there are some scripts that enable Dropbox functioning in PCmanFM....but if you install Nautilus(-Elementary) it works no prob...
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: Linux is different, no matter if you take Gnome or KDE or LXDE
[12:52] <charliemac> What DE's work best with SLiM?  (I've had SLiM recommended to me in the past).
[12:53] <victor__> ok i'm gonna install be right back ;)
[12:54] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: LXDE comes with with it's own login manager....which works better with it then SLiM (just my own experiences)...however both Gnome and KDE should work with no problems
[12:55] <MrChrisDruif> But LXDE's login manager (can't remember it's name) is also very light :)
[12:56] <charliemac> How does PCmanFM weigh in?
[12:56] <MrChrisDruif> Almost the same as thunar I think, if nog lighter
[13:00] <charliemac> Is it LXDE just as easy as Gnome or KDE?
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> I think so, the basics are the same :)
[13:03] <charliemac> What are the pros and cons to adding  /boot and /tmp logical partitions?  Are they completely unnecessary? What will  happen without them?
[13:05] <charliemac> The linux partitioning guide at <http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/11208-linux-partitioning-guide.html> would appear to indicate them as integral...
[13:06] <szczur> separate /boot partition would be nice if you have more linuxes than one. for /tmp partition don't know why it should be separate. Without them they will be created inside / partition
[13:06] <szczur> as separate folders
[13:06] <szczur> i don't have them as separate partitions
[13:07] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: They will be added to the root nonetheless....however, some people would prefer separate /boot and /tmp with different filesystems
[13:07] <MrChrisDruif> For Beginner and even intermediate users they aren't necessary to create :)
[13:08] <charliemac> lol ok, but i like to leave myself with room to grow into new territory ;)
[13:09] <MrChrisDruif> You can always reconfigure the partition table :)
[13:12] <MrChrisDruif> You don't need to add everything you MIGHT like in the future :)
[13:19] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif: Without LVM?  Ok, I'll have to keep that in mind.. SO the only thing I really have to figure out right now is the Windows partition, paging/swap, and the root?
[13:20] <esing> hi
[13:20] <esing> Is it okay updating the Kernel of Lubuntu 10.10 to 2.6.35 ?
[13:20] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, you can change size by just booting a liveCD
[13:20] <charliemac> IFF the CD will work lol
[13:21] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not running Lubuntu, but my Ubuntu runs fine on the new kernel
[13:21] <esing> you have kernel version 2.6.35 ß
[13:21] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif: which DM and DE are you running on Ubuntu?
[13:21] <MrChrisDruif> Default...Gnome and GDM
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> I need to burn the mini-ISO
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> I want a AMD64 systemm
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> -m
[13:23] <MrChrisDruif> esing: Updated today, running it now :)
[13:24] <esing> nice
[13:24] <esing> I will get it too then
[13:25] <esing> this -> sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.35  ye
[13:25] <charliemac> Do all of the DM's and DE's have broadly the same capabilities?
[13:26] <MrChrisDruif> esing: Isn't it an update for Lubuntu?
[13:27] <esing> hmm
[13:27] <esing> It is for ubuntu 10.10
[13:27] <esing> but i have lubuntu
[13:27] <esing> is that a problem?
[13:27] <esing> I can still aboard the installation
[13:27] <esing> 80%
[13:28] <esing> hmm it is still showing the same kernel version
[13:28] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments
[13:29] <esing> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.35
[13:29] <esing> can I  do this too with my lubuntu 10.10 ?
[13:29] <esing> y/n ? :D
[13:30] <szczur> esing, ubuntu and lubuntu uses the same kernel
[13:30] <bioterror> it's just the candy that's different on the top
[13:30] <szczur> and parts of system like cli etc. only difference is the desktop environment and default installed programs
[13:30] <szczur> hi bioterror
[13:30] <bioterror> another one likes marshmallow and another salmiyuck ;)
[13:30] <MrChrisDruif> So it should prolly work
[13:31] <esing> :D
[13:31] <esing> hey szczur
[13:36] <charliemac> Thanks!
[13:37] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif: ^^
[13:37] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[13:37] <charliemac> What are the advantages of Ext3 with journaling over Ext2?
[13:39] <MrChrisDruif> Just that: it's Ext2 with journaling :)
[13:46] <charliemac> What's journaling all about?  Does it log my every move?
[13:46] <charliemac> ... because that sounds bulky.
[13:46] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[13:47] <charliemac> bioterror: thanks!
[13:47] <bioterror> next time you can google by yourself! ;D
[13:48] <bioterror> it's not really that hard, you go to www.google.com and you put some words you want to search like "journaling file system"
[13:48] <charliemac> lol, I was just going to, honest! :)
[13:49] <esing> what is the mimeinfo.cache ?
[13:49] <charliemac> Which file sys do you implement, personally?
[13:50] <charliemac> Because I'm wondering if the journaling is worth the extra resources, or if it slows things down a lot.
[13:55] <esing> How can I change a name in Lubuntu of a .desktop file ?
[13:55] <esing> right click "name changing" doesnt work
[13:56] <bioterror> edit with nano or leafpad or even with vim vi joe what ever you want to use
[13:56] <esing> I did this too
[13:56] <esing> didnt work
[13:56] <bioterror> it does work
[13:57] <esing> ah k
[13:57] <esing> now it works
[13:57] <esing> :)
[13:57] <esing> you are a very expert in linux
[13:57] <esing> never used windows before? ^
[13:57] <bioterror> I've beta tested Windows ME and Windows XP
[13:58] <bioterror> I have some knowledge
[13:58] <esing> i see
[13:58] <bioterror> I can build AD for a small company
[13:59] <esing> nice
[14:05] <esing> i didnt find out what the app "screenlock " does yet
[14:06] <MrChrisDruif> Doesn't it "lock your screen"
[14:10] <MrChrisDruif> I.e. turn your screen black and makes your enter your password before you can continue working? :)
[14:13] <charliemac> I bet most linux users are more intellgent than microsoft users lol ;D
[14:14] <charliemac> see. just look @ how I spelled "intelligent!"
[14:14] <charliemac> Still, I'm wondering if the journaling is worth the extra resources, or if it slows things down a lot.
[14:18] <MrChrisDruif> Well, that overhead isn't really much...
[14:19] <esing> cool
[14:19] <MrChrisDruif> It just writes WHAT it's going to do before DOING said operation :)
[14:19] <ChogyDan> does lubuntu use networkmanager? if not, what does it use?
[14:19] <esing> with xchat i can go to more than 1 IRC servers
[14:19] <esing> awesome :)
[14:20] <esing> MrChrisDruif no it doesnt, that is why I wondered about its function
[14:20] <esing> MrChrisDruif it centers all windows but no more is happening
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> What do you mean esing?
[14:21] <bioterror> with weechat my IRCing goes to eleven
[14:21] <esing> well the symlink "lock your screen" doesnt lock my screen
[14:21] <esing> wow are you on 11 server bioterror? ^^
[14:21] <MrChrisDruif> afk
[14:21] <esing> Mrchrisdruif but when running it all windows will be centered on my screen but nvm thx tho
[14:21] <bioterror> esing, not really, just 4
[14:21] <esing> ah ok ^^
[14:22] <bioterror> esing, it was spinal tap -joke
[14:23] <charliemac> What percentage of the system's time is taken up through journaling?
[14:23] <szczur> esing, run terminal
[14:23] <szczur> amd tell me if this command locks the screen for you
[14:23] <szczur> xscreensaver-command -lock
[14:26] <esing> ok sec
[14:26] <esing> yes it does
[14:26] <esing> :)
[14:27] <szczur> hmm, then why screenlock icon doesn't
[14:27] <szczur> :/
[14:27] <esing> dunno
[14:27] <charliemac> Does everyone here use the journaling version of Ext2, ext3?
[14:27] <bioterror> we use ext4
[14:27] <szczur> ext4
[14:27] <bioterror> that's like year 2011
[14:27] <szczur> ChanServ, i wouldn't bother about the perormance side of ext3
[14:27] <szczur> data security is more important i think
[14:28] <bioterror> except
[14:28] <charliemac> lol
[14:28] <bioterror> if he's using some usb pen drive
[14:28] <szczur> except the times when you're running debian on P166
[14:28] <bioterror> then ext2
[14:28] <szczur> or flashdrives
[14:28] <szczur> that's true
[14:28] <charliemac> ok...  What about a 6-10 year old hard disk?
[14:28] <bioterror> install ZFS ;D
[14:32] <MrChrisDruif> esing: You were talking about that lock screen....
[14:32] <charliemac> Is zfs pretty good?  I was thinking of having a large fat-32 partition as a sort of reserve parachute but that would bring me to 4 partitions...
[14:32] <MrChrisDruif> Meh....don't talk on two conversations after 4 hours of sleep :P
[14:42] <MrChrisDruif> Finally; found it: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/33552/htg-explains-which-linux-file-system-should-you-choose/
[14:42] <MrChrisDruif> Comparison of #nix filesystems
[14:51] <MrChrisDruif> However you can use Ext4's optimalisaties without journaling...
[14:52] <victor__> hi! i'm here again! so ho can i make thunar the default file manager?¿
[14:54] <victor__> nautilus
[14:55] <MrChrisDruif> victor__: I think you can just install thunar or nautilus and remove PCmanFM
[14:55] <bioterror> edit xdg-open :D
[14:55] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif tells you what and where
[14:55] <bioterror> I'm off from work
[14:56] <MrChrisDruif> I do? =-O
[14:56] <bioterror> yep
[14:56] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know
[14:57] <victor__> please! i want nautilus as a default
[14:57] <bioterror> and ofcourse, preferred applications is okay setup too
[14:57] <bioterror> preferences -> preferred applications
[14:57] <bioterror> I think there was filebrowser
[14:58] <victor__> no just email and web browser
[14:58] <bioterror> well, then it's xdg-open
[14:58] <MrChrisDruif> Always try...if I only had Lubuntu installed atm....then I could look at the file myself
[14:59] <bioterror> you dont have?
[14:59] <victor__> it's my first time on lubuntu :(
[15:00] <victor__> where's xdg-open?
[15:00] <bioterror> sudo find / |grep xdg-open
[15:01] <bioterror> who has the fastest hard drive
[15:02] <MrChrisDruif> You? :P
[15:02] <MrChrisDruif> I don't care xD
[15:02] <szczur> /usr/bin/xdg-open
[15:02] <szczur> it's a script file
[15:02] <MrChrisDruif> yup...
[15:03] <MrChrisDruif> I've got it as well on "normal" Ubuntu
[15:03] <szczur> edit it with nano, gedit or whathever editor you want
[15:03] <szczur> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#When%20clicking%20in%20Chromium%20%22Show%20in%20Folder%22%20it%20spawns%20a%20new%20tab%20that%20shows%20only%20directory%20listing
[15:03] <szczur> i think it is what bioterror meant
[15:04] <bioterror> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Desktop_Preferred_Applications_Specification
[15:15] <victor__> what about get compositing?
[15:19] <charliemac> Is it possible to have a primary partition for the ubuntu swap in stead of a logical partition under the same partition as the root?
[15:19] <charliemac> Correction: Is it possible to have a seperate/unique primary partition for the ubuntu swap in stead of a logical partition under the same primary partition as the root?
[15:21] <charliemac> Sorry If my question belongs in #ubuntu-beginners :/
[15:22] <szczur> swap can be either primary or logical partition
[15:22] <szczur> there's no difference there
[15:22] <szczur> but i prefer swap as logical
[15:23] <szczur> victor__, did you found out how to change default file manager?
[15:23] <victor__> nop :(
[15:23] <szczur> right click on lxpanel
[15:24] <szczur> choose settings
[15:24] <szczur> on advanced tab you have file manager entry
[15:24] <szczur> replace pcmanfm %s with thunar %s
[15:24] <szczur> and you're done
[15:25] <szczur> did you find it?
[15:25] <victor__> thanks so much! :P
[15:25] <szczur> no problem
[15:25] <victor__> szczur, what about compsiting? is it possible?
[15:26] <szczur> you can use xcompmgr
[15:26] <szczur> don't know if compiz works
[15:26] <szczur> i think it should
[15:26] <szczur> but i used xcompmgr without problems
[15:27] <szczur> just put it in /etx/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[15:27] <szczur> as @xcompmgr
[15:28] <szczur> and compositing will be enabled at the start of the system
[15:29] <szczur> you can try compiz
[15:29] <szczur> plus compiz-icon to control it easily (this will put an icon in taskbar to change all of the options)
[15:30] <charliemac> Does the /Boot partition have to be primary, or can it be logical?
[15:30] <szczur> you don't have to make separate /boot partition
[15:31] <szczur> every partition can be logical, (except the windows one, because Windows can't boot from logical ones, at least every windows to XP including )
[15:31] <szczur> including XP*
[15:32] <szczur> charliemac, easiest way to go would be creating /home, /, swap
[15:32] <victor__> szczur, and to start dropbox at the startup just add @ dropbox here? /etx/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[15:33] <szczur> victor__, never used dropbox
[15:33] <szczur> but if you're running it this way from cli
[15:33] <victor__> ok i'm trying
[15:33] <szczur> i think it is the correct way to do it
[15:34] <szczur> and LXDe folder may be called Lubuntu too
[15:34] <szczur> please check this before changing anything
[15:35] <bioterror> i thought we use .desktop files in autostart
[15:36] <bioterror> just pointing to openbox conv
[15:36] <bioterror> dropbox, sorry
[15:36] <szczur> don't know
[15:37] <szczur> i put commands like i would run it in terminal
[15:37] <bioterror> i use .desktop
[15:38] <szczur> but i'm talking about /etx/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart file
[15:39] <victor__> szczur, compositing didn't start :(
[15:39] <szczur> hmmm
[15:40] <victor__> or perharps i don't know if it's active lol
[15:40] <szczur> run lxterminal
[15:41] <victor__> and then?
[15:41] <bioterror> titia@konna:~/.config/autostart$ ls
[15:41] <bioterror> conky.desktop  xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop  xfconf-migration-4.6.desktop
[15:42] <bioterror> guess whos conky starts on login
[15:42] <szczur> victor__, Edit -> preferences
[15:42] <szczur> background
[15:43] <szczur> and set opacity to for example 160
[15:43] <bioterror> szczur, thats correct way for lubuntu as its per user
[15:43] <szczur> and tell me if lxtemrinal is transparent
[15:44] <victor__> ok wait
[15:44] <victor__> i don't find bachground
[15:46] <szczur> Edit > Preferences
[15:46] <szczur> on Style tab, there's Background colour
[15:46] <szczur> where you can change it
[15:47] <charliemac> What would the mount-point be for a windows/linux shared fat-32 shared space?
[15:48] <bioterror> charlie, /media/share
[15:49] <bioterror> or what ever you want
[15:51] <charliemac> bioterror: The only options I have in grub are /DOS, /windows, enter manually, and do not mount it.  I take it you're suggesting I enter it manually, no? What if I choose no-mount?
[15:51] <szczur> charliemac, i would use ntfs
[15:51] <szczur> not fat32
[15:51] <szczur> if you choose not to mount, the partition will not be mounted
[15:52] <charliemac> What are the implications of ntfs vs fat32?
[15:52] <bioterror> are you a troll
[15:52] <szczur> max file size of fat32 is 4 GB
[15:52] <bioterror> honest answer
[15:52] <charliemac> troll?! who lol
[15:53] <bioterror> yep, ure a troll
[15:53] <charliemac> what's that  even mean in this context?
[15:54] <bioterror> !troll
[15:54] <bioterror> doesnt know :(
[15:55] <charliemac> ?
[15:58] <szczur> charliemac, http://www.theeldergeek.com/ntfs_or_fat32_file_system.htm < i think it is obvious :P
[16:01] <charliemac> can all file systems hold the same formats?  For example, will an Mp3 take up the same amount of space on a fat-32 as it would on Ext2?
[16:01] <bioterror> ...
[16:02] <bioterror> try it out
[16:02] <bioterror> make fat32
[16:02] <bioterror> unzip whole hvsc into it
[16:03] <bioterror> and then take lets say reiserfs
[16:03] <bioterror> and tell us if theres difference
[16:03] <charliemac> I've actually read that "Linux has a history of disliking NTFS so it should be avoided whenever possible." <http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/11208-linux-partitioning-guide.html>.
[16:14] <bioterror> which was written 2005 when they didnt have any clue about NTFS-3G or NTFS-FUSE
[16:15] <bioterror> oh gsus
[16:20] <szczur> gsus?
[16:20]  * szczur starts firefox
[16:20] <szczur> :)
[16:21] <szczur> whoa ipv6 address ;)
[16:21] <szczur> hi guylain
[16:22] <guylain> hi szczur, just installing lubuntu and checking the apps. sorry for disturbing you... :)
[16:22]  * szczur wasn't disturbed at all
[17:28] <esing> hey :L)
[17:28] <esing> I need to configure my own kernel
[17:37] <ChogyDan> anyone know about networkmanager in lubuntu?
[17:46] <esing> hi
[17:46] <ChogyDan> hi
[17:46] <esing> I wanted to compile a program which doesnt worked, could it be that there is more difference between ubuntu 10.10 and lubuntu 10.10 than the desktop environement lxde??
[17:47] <ChogyDan> *shrug* what program?
[17:47] <esing> it from dedected
[17:47] <esing> (dedected.org) for testings dect phones
[17:48] <esing> with a "com on air pcmcia III card"
[17:48] <ChogyDan> maybe pastebin all your terminal output?
[17:49] <esing> see here http://pastebin.com/7P1PKE3b
[17:50] <ChogyDan> is it a kernel patch?
[17:50] <esing> bioterror you there? :))
[17:50] <bioterror> not taking part in this, not my speciality
[17:50] <bioterror> ;)
[17:50] <esing> hehe
[17:51] <esing> ChogyDan i compiled the program with this
[17:51] <esing> ChogyDan sudo make && make -C tools
[17:51] <esing> bioterror
[17:51] <esing> but could it be that lubuntu has a slightly different kernel than ubuntu
[17:52] <ChogyDan> I doubt it
[17:52] <bioterror> no
[17:52] <esing> but someone tells me to install ubuntu 10.10 to check if it works there
[17:52] <esing> should I do it or not?
[17:53] <ChogyDan> try sudo -i, and then running the make stuff
[17:53] <esing> not working
[17:53] <bioterror> did you use alternate install?
[17:54] <bioterror> or was it lubuntu-10.10.iso?
[17:55] <esing> it was lubuntu 10.10
[17:55] <esing> not alternate
[17:57] <esing> hmm
[17:57] <esing> btw
[17:57] <esing> someone can send me the chromium simlink
[17:57] <esing> I deleted it
[17:57] <esing> :P
[17:58] <ChogyDan> esing: it looks like it is tripping up on some kernel code, and it looks like the project hasn't been updated for 2 years
[17:59] <ChogyDan> probably it is just out of date  :(
[17:59] <esing> yes this could be
[17:59] <esing> hmm
[18:00] <esing> in the tutorial they said I need following kernel ...
[18:00] <esing> sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.35
[18:00] <esing> how can I get that kernel?
[18:01] <ChogyDan> what does uname -a say for you?
[18:02] <esing> 3 2.6.35-25-generic
[18:02] <esing> it is the same? isnt it ?
[18:02] <ChogyDan> yea
[18:03] <esing> sudo apt-get install linux-tools-2.6.35-22
[18:03] <esing> ( i should get that too)
[18:03] <esing> I did it too
[18:04] <ChogyDan> sorry I dunno, gl
[18:04] <esing> *lol*
[18:04] <esing> thx
[18:04] <esing> tho
[18:05] <ChogyDan> np
[18:10] <esing> bioterror :D
[18:10] <esing> could you have a short look on it with teamviewer? ^
[18:10] <esing> ^^
[18:10] <esing> http://www.teamviewer.com/de/download/index.aspx
[18:10] <esing> your professional eye is required xD
[18:13] <esing> szczur here? :P
[18:13] <esing> *nerving*
[18:23] <bioterror> that's not how we deal with problems
[18:27] <esing> *usually*
[18:27] <esing> this problems is expoding my nerves
[18:27] <esing> :D
[18:31] <esing> Pleeeease Help Somebody :(((((((((
[18:31] <esing> :(((((((((((
[18:36] <szczur> esing, what's the problem?
[18:38] <szczur> hmm, never used teamviewer
[18:38] <szczur> scan't help ypu with it
[18:39] <szczur> since i don't have LAN in my home
[18:47] <esing> re
[18:47] <esing> szczur I wanted to install a driver for my pcmcia III com on air card (dect card)
[18:47] <esing> but when compiling several error occure
[18:48] <szczur> ack :/
[18:48] <esing> http://pastebin.com/7P1PKE3b
[18:48] <esing> ^
[18:48] <bioterror> maybe you're missing some -dev -files?
[18:49] <bioterror> I'm too lazy to svn or git that source
[18:49] <esing> heh c'mon
[18:49] <esing> how do I delete all files? just remove the folder via gui?
[18:49] <esing> then I can redownload all
[18:50] <esing> szczur i think u dont need lan for teamviewer, only your internet IP ;)
[18:50] <esing> or better to say my internet IP when you access my computer
[18:52] <szczur> yeah, but i love to test something
[18:52] <szczur> before telling the solution
[18:52] <esing> okay
[18:52] <szczur> otherwise you're going to install packages for 64 bits :P
[18:52] <esing> *g*
[18:52] <szczur> :>
[18:54] <esing> suczur you and me were too long awake yesterdya
[18:54] <esing> ^^
[18:54] <szczur> have to go with the dog
[18:54] <szczur> be right back
[18:54] <szczur> 10 mins
[18:55] <esing> okay
[19:11] <esing> cleaned the whole home at this time *smile*
[19:11] <bioterror> :)
[19:11] <bioterror> you seem to be rm -rf(trigger) happy ;
[19:12] <esing> what do you mean with rm -rf(trigger) ^^
[19:13] <esing> i googled it but cant find out what it is ^^
[19:13] <bioterror> rm = remove
[19:13] <bioterror> -r = recursive
[19:13] <bioterror> -f = force
[19:13] <esing> lol ^^
[19:13] <bioterror> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trigger-happy
[19:14] <esing> Iam not a trigger :P
[19:15] <esing> bioterror pls link in :D
[19:15] <esing> svn co :P
[19:17] <szczur> back
[19:18] <bioterror> szczur, you better have a mastiff dog
[19:18] <szczur> compilation faild with the same error
[19:18] <szczur> nope
[19:19] <szczur> normal dog
[19:19] <szczur> wiki calls it "Mixed-breed dog" :P
[19:20] <esing> yeaaa
[19:20] <bioterror> those usually lives longer than pure breeded
[19:20] <esing> we have daily a cat visiting us from our neighbour
[19:20] <szczur> wish they hadn't :P
[19:20] <szczur> at least this particular dog
[19:20] <szczur> :)
[19:20] <esing> she likes eating fish meal
[19:20] <bioterror> ahhh
[19:21] <esing> *g*
[19:21] <bioterror> this is sloooow
[19:21] <bioterror> I'm used to my desktop and arch mirrors
[19:21] <bioterror> 32% [1 linux-source-2.6.37 25.3 MB/77.5 MB 32%]                  1,050 kB/s 49s
[19:22] <esing> let us all solve my problem :D
[19:23] <esing> see what this user wrote:
 if the sources haven't been updated you won't get the kernel modules compiled
 userspace won't help you in such a case. so make sure your kernel module works first.
[19:24] <esing> szczur tanked enough energy for teamplayer?
[19:24] <szczur> teamviewer?
[19:25] <esing> yus
[19:25] <esing> you can see my laptop, just have to give u my ip
[19:25] <esing> see what this user just wrote to me
 the reverse engineered drivers from dedected.org won
 t work on actual kernels
 https://dedected.org/trac/ticket/139
 you have to use an older one to use dect_cli and so on
 use Patrick McHardys DECT Stack to get dect working with actual linux kernels
[19:25] <esing> * Fatuo (~FuegoFatu@84.121.72.188.dyn.user.ono.com) hat #osmocom betreten
[19:27] <esing> szczur and bioterror I think I need to get an old kernel or customize my kernel
[19:27] <szczur> never did it successfully
[19:27] <szczur> so i wont be helpful here
[19:27] <esing> hmm
[19:28] <esing> bioterror ^^
[19:28] <esing> *eyes looking on you*
[19:28] <esing> *lol*
[19:32] <esing> bioterror ..
[19:33] <bioterror> hahahahaha
[19:33] <bioterror> % make && make -C tools                                                            .:21:32:33 on 11-01-28:.
[19:33] <bioterror> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ M=/tmp/dedected/com-on-air_cs-linux modules
[19:33] <bioterror> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.37-ARCH/build/: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[19:33] <bioterror> make: *** [default] Error 2
[19:34] <bioterror> sowwy
[19:35] <szczur> :/ ack
[19:35] <szczur> this wasn't helpful at all :P
[19:37] <esing> ?
[19:39] <szczur> bwahahaha
[19:40] <szczur> teamviewer is windows program packed with wine
[19:40] <szczur> woot
[19:40] <szczur> nevermind
[19:40] <szczur> esing, are you running teamviewer right now?
[19:40] <szczur> so i can connect to you?
[19:41] <esing> second
[19:42] <esing> I just get some usefull patches
[19:42] <esing> :)
[19:43] <victor__> hey how can i make xcompmgr start at reboot?
[19:44] <szczur> you're sure that you're not running it after the thing we did earlier?
[19:44] <szczur> ps aux | grep xcompmgr
[19:44] <szczur> run this in terminal
[19:45] <victor__> szczur, victor    1558  0.0  0.0   4024   764 pts/0    S+   20:45   0:00 grep --color=auto xcompmgr
[19:46] <szczur> ack :/
[19:46] <szczur> ok, lemme try something
[19:46] <victor__> what do i exactly have to write on autostart?
[19:46] <szczur> i had @xcompmgr
[19:47] <szczur> but we will do it bioterror's way
[19:49] <szczur> victor__, download this file http://szczur.ath.cx/xcompmgr.desktop
[19:49] <szczur> and put it in ~/.config/autostart
[19:49] <szczur> then log out and log in
[19:50] <szczur> xcompmgr should be running
[19:50] <bioterror> probably needs a tap in to something in preferences
[19:50] <bioterror> not using lxde atm
[19:51] <szczur> be right back
[19:51] <szczur> just checking if it is working
[19:51] <victor__> ok
[19:53] <szczur> yes, it works :)
[19:54] <bioterror> ofcourse
[19:54] <bioterror> now you remember how to make app to autostart ;)
[19:54] <szczur> :P
[19:57] <esing> szczur iam soon finished with my attempt
[19:57] <esing> then you are free to enter my lap :D
[19:57] <esing> some guy sent me some patches I should try to use on the driver
[20:03] <victor__> szczur, don't worry it isn't that important... however dropbox is... i got installing it but no chance at statup :(
[20:06] <esing> szczur iam stuck currently cant do anything at this laptop
[20:06] <esing> there comes an error
[20:06] <esing> after trying to run /home/user as root
[20:07] <esing> how can I close the error ?
[20:08] <szczur> ummm, what youre trying to run as root?
[20:09] <szczur> what command
[20:20] <esing> i run the file manager as root
[20:21] <esing> in the folder /home/user
[20:27] <szczur> and something like "Permission denied" popped up?
[20:28] <szczur> click ok :)
[20:34] <esing> ok re
[20:34] <esing> :)
[20:34] <esing> i was disced
[20:34] <esing> yep I clicked ok
[20:34] <esing> but it didnt close
[20:34] <esing> I tried sudo killall pcfanman
[20:35] <esing> szczur I tried to patch the driver but an error occures see here http://pastebin.com/FWDBu3z3
[20:35] <szczur> sudo patch -Np1 -i patch1
[20:35] <szczur> this will work i think
[20:36] <esing> ok thx
[20:36] <esing> that is the same
[20:36] <esing> I tried
[20:36] <esing> ah np1
[20:36] <esing> :)
[20:37] <esing> still failed
[20:37] <szczur> hmmm p1 should work
[20:37] <szczur> anything changed?
[20:37] <esing> same errors
[20:38] <szczur> give me this patch
[20:38] <esing> hmm p2 worked
[20:38] <esing> but patch1 not
[20:38] <esing> want to access to my pc now?
[20:38] <esing> :)
[20:38] <esing> sec I download teamviwer
[20:38] <esing> :))
[20:39] <szczur> nope, i want to get the patch :)
[20:39] <esing> hehe
[20:39] <esing> you have an email?
[20:40] <esing> send me you email then I can send you all 8 patches
[20:41] <szczur> magik17l@gmail.com
[20:41] <esing> thnx
[20:41] <bioterror> seems like someone is not going to give up easily
[20:42] <esing> ok out
[20:42] <esing> hehe bioterror , you are the funniest one ^^
[20:43] <esing> *smile* ^^
[20:43] <esing> szczur received?
[20:44] <szczur> yup
[20:45] <esing> grml I wanted to read this night a swedish book ^^, but lubuntu is more important :D
[20:47] <esing> i think patch 2 didnt work too
[20:47] <esing> http://pastebin.com/2eXEy2nH
[20:47] <esing> I didnt read carefully enough
[20:47] <szczur> not every patch applies
[20:47] <esing> hmm
[20:48] <esing> what should I do now?
[20:48] <szczur> p1
[20:48] <szczur> why p2
[20:48] <esing> ah p1
[20:48] <esing> sec
[20:48] <esing> succeeded
[20:48] <esing> yeaa
[20:48] <esing> (patch 2)
[20:49] <esing> patch 2,3,4 worked patch 5 skipped
[20:49] <szczur> same for me
[20:49] <esing> nah I mean 2,3, 5 worked 4 skipped ^^
[20:50] <esing> szczur you downloaded the driver? :))
[20:50] <esing> thnx
[20:50] <esing> ok all worked
[20:50] <esing> except patch 1
[20:50] <szczur> yup
[20:50] <szczur> downloaded the source
[20:51] <esing> so now I compile again yee
[20:51] <szczur> for me it still fails
[20:51] <szczur> maybe i did something wrong
[20:51] <szczur> :/
[20:51] <esing> hmm
[20:52] <esing> Ye for me it fails too
[20:52] <esing> ://
[20:52] <esing> maybe patch 1 is necessary
[20:55] <esing> patch 1 need to "--" more in first line
[20:55] <esing> but compiling still doesnt work
[20:55] <esing> but patch1 works
[20:55] <esing> ..
[20:56] <esing> is it important to execute Patch1 first before others?
[21:00] <esing> szczur you still here?
[21:01] <szczur> yup
[21:01] <esing> what would you suggest now
[21:01] <szczur> but i'm not experienced in fixing compilation errors
[21:01] <esing> ye
[21:01] <esing> szczur in ubuntu 9.10 it will work
[21:02] <esing> is it difficult to change the kernel back to old ubuntu?
[21:03] <bioterror> install 9.10 in a virtual box
[21:03] <bioterror> ahaha
[21:03] <esing> *g*
[21:03] <esing> bioterror what about changing only the kernel?
[21:03] <esing> I give you my IP and I watch you :D
[21:04] <esing> bioterror seriously what should I do now?
[21:05] <bioterror> as your lawyer I suggest you to get wasted
[21:05] <bioterror> :D
[21:08] <esing> lol
[21:08] <esing> bioterror iam very near to that point *smile*
[21:08] <esing> but be honest now
[21:08] <esing> should i get virtual ubuntu or compile it reverse?
[21:10] <bioterror> what's the kernel you need
[21:11] <esing> 9.10
[21:11] <bioterror> no
[21:11] <bioterror> kernel
[21:11] <bioterror> linux-image
[21:11] <esing> the kernel 9.10 used back in the days
[21:11] <esing> I dont know which version it was
[21:12] <esing> but it certainly have to work with it
[21:12] <bioterror> oh well
[21:13] <esing> this posted somebody on the mailing list :  "
[21:13] <esing> if you read the list here longer than 2 days you have seen that our driver
[21:13] <esing> at the moment will not work with ubuntu 10.10, but with 9.10.
[21:13] <esing> "
[21:13] <bioterror> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:14] <bioterror> you need image and header
[21:14] <bioterror> dpkg -i asdasdasdasd.deb
[21:15] <esing> mhm which kernel version should I take tho?
[21:15] <bioterror> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31.13-karmic/ maybe this?
[21:15] <esing> ok good
[21:15] <bioterror> i386
[21:15] <esing> yep
[21:16] <esing> dpkg -i http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31.13-karmic/linux-headers-2.6.31-02063113-generic_2.6.31-02063113_i386.deb
[21:17] <esing> i do this first
[21:17] <bioterror> wget it first
[21:17] <esing> ah k
[21:17] <bioterror> use /tmp
[21:17] <bioterror> for example
[21:22] <esing> i read the manual a little bit
[21:23] <esing> but i cant figure out how to determine where wget downloads the file to
[21:23] <bioterror> where you said it
[21:23] <esing> how to write the syntax
[21:27] <esing> ok i found out bioterror
[21:27] <esing> now I download the image
[21:28] <bioterror> small moments of satisfaction when you figure out things ;)
[21:29] <szczur> sooo delightful :_
[21:29] <szczur> :)*
[21:29] <esing> *smile* ^^
[21:29] <esing> what should I do next
[21:29] <esing> *ready*
[21:29] <bioterror> you installed image and headers?
[21:30] <esing> ah ok
[21:30] <esing> sec
[21:30] <esing> *hurrying up*
[21:32] <esing> ok ready
[21:32] <esing> it says "done"
[21:32] <bioterror> reboot and choose your "brand new" :D:D:D kernel from the grub's list
[21:32] <esing> hehe awesome :D
[21:32] <esing> *that easy* ?? :D
[21:32] <bioterror> hoep it boots
[21:32] <bioterror> do you get grub list on the boot?
[21:32] <esing> ok I try immediatly
[21:32] <esing> no i dont
[21:32] <esing> I have only 1 os
[21:33] <bioterror> well, press shift
[21:33] <esing> okay
[21:33] <bioterror> is it left shift
[21:33] <bioterror> after bios stuff instantly shift
[21:33] <bioterror> hammer that shift!
[21:33] <esing> okay, see you in a minute then :D
[21:33] <esing> *lol*
[21:33]  * bioterror holds his breath
[21:34] <esing> *smile*
[21:34] <szczur> bioterror faints
[21:34] <szczur> :P
[21:34] <bioterror> we get pretty lame payment for an hour with this case
[21:35] <szczur> heh :P
[21:35] <szczur> pretty low speed of solving problems
[21:36] <bioterror> worse code...
[21:36] <szczur> yesterday was easier
[21:37] <szczur> and not working patches
[21:37] <szczur> something like acx100
[21:37] <szczur> for my wireless card
[21:37] <szczur> i got rid of it since it supported only WEP
[21:37] <bioterror> that's alwasy great
[21:38] <szczur> yeah
[21:38] <szczur> 5 minut longer
[21:38] <szczur> without entry
[21:38] <szczur> i'd say awesome :)
[21:41] <bioterror> long boot
[21:41] <szczur> yeah
[21:41] <szczur> maybe he broke his L_Shift :P
[21:42] <bioterror> he's having eternal boot loop as he cant get into grub list
[21:43] <esing> (re)
[21:44] <szczur> weee, and here comes esing :)
[21:44] <esing> heh :D
[21:44] <bioterror> with 2.6.35 kernel? :D
[21:44] <esing> it worked booting from the older kernel yeaa
[21:44] <bioterror> esing, uname -a
[21:44] <esing> 31
[21:44] <bioterror> or we dont belieave you
[21:44] <esing> sec
[21:45] <esing> core-ThinkPad-T43 2.6.31-02063113-generic #02063113 SMP Fri Jun 4 19:02:37 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:45] <bioterror> :D
[21:45] <esing> 2.6.31 ^^
[21:45] <esing> :D
[21:45] <bioterror> o///
[21:45] <esing> but I tried to compile yet
[21:45] <bioterror> can you now compile
[21:45] <esing> no ^^
[21:45] <esing> *smile*
[21:45] <bioterror> it doesnt work?
[21:45] <esing> I think because of the patches I did?
[21:45] <bioterror> cvs it again?
[21:45] <esing> maybe I should delete everything
[21:45] <bioterror> svn
[21:45] <esing> yes I do again now
[21:45] <szczur> then download it again
[21:45] <esing> ok
[21:45] <bioterror> svn to another dir
[21:46] <esing> oki
[21:46] <bioterror> cd /tmp
[21:46] <bioterror> svn asdasdasd
[21:46] <esing> yus
[21:47] <bioterror> I'm waiting, I have to hit the bed
[21:49] <esing> hmm
[21:49] <esing> see here http://pastebin.com/4MKAkatZ
[21:49] <esing> it says Makefile: didnt find directory
[21:49] <esing> "no rule to create Makefile"
[21:49] <esing> "exiting directory ..."
[21:50] <esing> 2 errors
[21:50] <bioterror> you should not use sudo for make
[21:50] <bioterror> only for make install
[21:50] <bioterror> actually
[21:50] <esing> ah okay
[21:51] <esing> what should I use instead?
[21:51] <bioterror> just make
[21:51] <bioterror> without sudo
[21:51] <esing> okay i try again
[21:51] <esing> doesnt work
[21:51] <esing> :(((
[21:52] <bioterror> time to put hands down and say "that software sucks"
[21:52] <esing> lol
[21:58] <esing> bioterror
[21:58] <esing> maybe because i still have the OS 10.10
[21:59] <esing> is it possible to install an older distru apart from 10.10?
[21:59] <esing> or should I try virtual 9.10 /8.10
[22:01] <bioterror> for what you really need that driver
[22:01] <bioterror> stuff
[22:01] <bioterror> could you tell me again
[22:01] <esing> it is to test my dect phone on encryption
[22:02] <esing> I bought a card plus antenna for this, I dont want to waste that hardware ^^
[22:03] <esing> it basically caputeres 1.5 mhz data to pcap and then I have to convert and merge it... and then i can see wheather my calls are encrypted or not
[22:03] <bioterror> okay
[22:03] <esing> bioterror I just downloaded this http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[22:03] <esing> 9.10
[22:04] <esing> is this correct for a virtual 9.10 ubuntu?
[22:04] <bioterror> I have no idea
[22:04] <bioterror> phillw,
[22:04] <esing> hehe :)
[22:05]  * bioterror summons  phillw
[22:06] <esing> bioterror np
[22:06] <esing> I will try tomorrow then
[22:06] <esing> I go asleep earlier today too
[22:06] <bioterror> phillw runs 9.10
[22:06] <esing> ah I see
[22:06] <phillw> esing: there is a work around for some of the kernel problems with 3G devices
[22:06] <bioterror> :D
[22:06] <bioterror> I just remembered
[22:06] <esing> :D
[22:06] <bioterror> phillw, could you would p-p-p-please
[22:06] <esing> phillw i dont use 3g devices
[22:07] <bioterror> :D
[22:07] <esing> phillw i want to use dedected
[22:07] <esing> which doesnt work on 10.10 ^^
[22:07] <esing> Maybe you could try if it works on your 9.10 os
[22:08] <phillw> esing: that should be reported as a bug
[22:08] <esing> here you go phillw svn co https://dedected.org/svn/trunk dedected
[22:08] <esing> phillw it is reported yet
[22:08] <esing> that made a patch which doesnt work tho
[22:08] <esing> *they
[22:09] <esing> cd /dedected/com-on-air_cs-linux
[22:09] <esing> and then    sudo make && sudo make -C tools
[22:09] <esing> :)))
[22:09] <bioterror> nope
[22:09] <esing> *** make && make -C tools
[22:09] <bioterror> just make
[22:09] <esing> :D
[22:09] <phillw> esing: update the bug, ibugs can only be fixed if the devs know about them :)
[22:09] <esing> :P
[22:09] <esing> *smile*
[22:09] <bioterror> phillw, dont you start dodging this problem!
[22:09] <esing> *big smile*
[22:09] <esing> :D
[22:10] <bioterror> me n my mate sz been working with this whole evening
[22:10] <bioterror> !!
[22:10] <esing> hehe
[22:10] <phillw> bioterror: I'm just admin - you h
[22:10] <bioterror> haha
[22:10] <bioterror> but you have 9.10
[22:10] <phillw> guys are front line support :)
[22:11] <esing> my name is phil too in real life
[22:11] <esing> cmon help me ^^
[22:11] <bioterror> :D
[22:11] <esing> *g*
[22:11] <bioterror> usually I am grumpy, but now I am almost laughing
[22:11] <phillw> bioterror: I run 9.10 ubuntu, no kernel updates for my 3G device, I'm not too sure how I can help?
[22:12] <bioterror> phillw, svn the source code, and try to run make
[22:12] <bioterror> you're only one with ancient os ;)
[22:12] <esing> hah :-]
[22:13] <bioterror> 9.10 is so old that it have been enbalmed and it almost walks
[22:13] <esing> hehe
[22:14] <esing> bioterror i even soldered the transceiver of the pcmcia III card externly so it fits into the II slot
[22:14] <esing> grml internet cuts sec
[22:14] <bioterror> you're working with embedded systems or something?
[22:15] <phillw> esing: I'm sending you an invite
[22:15] <esing> nah I dont do openBSC, this pcmcia III card (com on air) does only receive the 1.5 mhz dect signals
[22:16] <bioterror> I'm off to ed
[22:16] <bioterror> bed
[22:16] <bioterror> wife went already and was angry :D
[22:16] <bioterror> good night
[22:16] <esing> hehe
[22:16] <esing> good night to you
[22:16] <esing> :)
[22:16] <bioterror> maybe I'll get more than 4 hours of sleep
[22:16] <esing> hah :D
[22:16] <esing> as you said yesterday
[22:16] <esing> *g*
[22:17] <esing> phillw does it work?