[00:20] <nemo> heh. natty is a lot more crashy than other releases
[00:21]  * rww ponders whether something that hasn't been released yet is a release
[00:21] <nemo> I installed ccsm hoping to find a way to get back the little row/column indicator as I resize gnome terminals, and also gaussian blur on my translucent terminals
[00:21] <nemo> rww: I mean, it is a lot crashier (prior to release) than other releases were (at the same point)
[00:21] <nemo> just to clear things up
[00:21] <nemo> aaanyway. kaboom, unity goes down
[00:21] <nemo> so. my question is, as I switch to a terminal to restart it
[00:22] <nemo> what's the command to restart unity
[00:23] <nemo> well. lacking any comments, tried DISPLAY=:0 unity&
[00:23] <nemo> and now I have a bunch of blank windows instead of chromeless ones :)
[00:24] <nemo> background is still there, mouse works, mouse switches to selection icon inside the blank white areas...
[00:24] <nemo> ah. I see
[00:24] <nemo> unity-window-decorator and panel-service were still around. just not doing anything
[00:25] <nemo> ugh. and trying to rerun that command just gives some dbus nonsense
[00:25] <nemo> (rerun after killing off the decorator and service)
[00:25] <nemo> oh well. restart time
[00:29] <nemo> mm. enabling basically anything crashes unity. wheee
[00:30] <nemo> Initialising winrules options...done
[00:30] <nemo> and goodbye unity
[00:30] <nemo> the processes are *active* (decorator/panel) - just everything is gone
[00:31] <nemo> ah. fix is to launch unity from a gnome terminal - presumably that satisfies the dbus problems
[00:32] <nemo> (after killing the decorator and panel services)
[00:32] <nemo> (if you don't kill those, you don't even have the gnome terminal menu to be able to focus on a terminal window to launch a new unity)
[00:32] <nemo> also, it crashes if you do *anything* in ccsm
[00:32] <nemo> disabling or enabling
[00:34] <nemo> oh. and you definitely do not want to accidentally launch unity before that, or it is gdm restart time
[00:43] <nemo> hm. now how to turn off that way-too-heavy shadow that slows down moving windows around
[00:44] <nemo> if I go to Window Decoration, and clear Shadow Windows, it still appears
[00:44] <nemo> if I clear Decoration windows, I lose all my controls, which is bad.
[00:45] <nemo> yeeeah. unity so far appears to be 1) buggy 2) irritating to use (I could call it unintuitive, but I'm probably just unfamiliar with it) and 3) places my windows in random places off screen so I have to keep alt-clicking to drag 'em back
[00:46]  * nemo hunts for a way to disable it
[00:47] <nemo> ah. just select classic on login
[00:48] <nemo> yay. no more ccsm crashing
[00:49] <nemo> or sluggish windows
[00:53] <nemo> hm. enabling gaussian blur makes the windows sluggish though. shame. didn't do it in 10.10 :-/
[04:56] <bullgard> What Banshee release will Natty provide?
[04:58] <bazhang> !info banshee
[04:58] <bazhang> bullgard, ^^
[04:59] <bullgard> bazhang: Thank you.
[06:16] <susundberg> !info kdevelop
[06:17] <susundberg> !info pmwiki
[06:17] <susundberg> :(
[09:47] <vincenzoml> Hi there, as of recent updates in natty I have no "unity" command anymore...
[10:12] <vincenzoml> hi again
[11:11]  * opakavic going idle for few minutes.......................
[12:38] <EmpoyLayaw> Hi! anyone here who has enough patience to answer some ubuntu newbie?
[12:38] <EmpoyLayaw> :)
[12:39] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, please ask
[12:39] <EmpoyLayaw> thanks bazhang
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> I installed 10.10, then downloaded all recommended updates. then i just realized im using 11.04 now. some history if it makes any sense
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> i am trying to make ubuntu recognize my samsung sgh-i780 which syncs with activesync
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> and recognize my ipod 5th gen so i can transfer musci
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> how do I do those?
[12:41] <EmpoyLayaw> i think i downloaded synCE, i saw it somewhere in ubuntu forums, i just dont know what to click to let ubuntu see my phone and ipod
[12:41] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, that may be a bug. if you refer to the About menu as showing 11.04? what does lsb_release -a in the terminal say
[12:42] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, just for future reference though: Banshee supports portable media players including iPod, Android devices and Creative's ZEN players; it also offers Last.fm integration and podcast support, among many other features.
[12:42] <bazhang> in Natty 11.04^
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> No LSB modules are available.
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Description:	Ubuntu 10.10
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Release:	10.10
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Codename:	maverick
[12:42] <bazhang> yep thats the bug
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> oooppsss, didnt mean to make it appear that way
[12:42] <bazhang> the about menu is wrong
[12:43] <bazhang> no worries
[12:43] <EmpoyLayaw> i see
[12:43] <bazhang> so you're on 10.10 now
[12:43] <bazhang> in the future you can see what is in store for 11.04 though
[12:43] <EmpoyLayaw> i honestly don't understand much but I think I'm glad i am hearing im still on 10.10
[12:45] <EmpoyLayaw> bazhang, i dont see banshee on my menu, the only music related option i see is rhythmbox
[12:46] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, yep, that was a reference to what 11.04 has in store, which you currently are not on (10.10)
[12:46] <EmpoyLayaw> oh...
[12:47] <EmpoyLayaw> oh well, i guess i can wait. im just excited to use ubuntu...like totally use it and not go back to mswin
[12:48] <EmpoyLayaw> one last question though... so my samsung sgh i780 phone and ipod have the same problem?
[12:48] <jakubo> hi, there seems to be some bug, that keeps enabling US keyboard layout on startup and trying to remove it makes ambience theme crash
[12:52] <jakubo> and the  indicator applet shows a new item everytime i start empathy or evolution...
[12:53] <jakubo> brb... cursor is gone....
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[13:17] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[13:18] <BluesKaj> just found utorrent for linux..as Dr Willis mentioned a few mins ago
[13:28] <coz_> hey all
[17:32] <anon33_> When I try to install a package (in this case, ia32-libs), it tells me it has unmet dependencies and won't be installed. The E: is Broken Packages
[17:32] <anon33_> Anyone know whatsup?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> it's alpha?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> packages aren't all ready yet?
[18:33] <Ohelig> Man, been having all sorts of problem with Natty recently. Ever since I got it, I've only been getting partial upgrades, even before the new X.org
[18:33] <Ohelig> also every panel object crashes when i log in
[18:34] <rww> It seems like I'm the only person in #ubuntu+1 with a natty installation that isn't horribly broken. *snuggles his not-GNOME*
[18:34] <Ohelig> I'm just going to re-download the iso and re-install
[18:35] <Ohelig> wonder if it's possible to save my /home folder though D:
[18:35] <genii-around> rww: I had some hiccups earlier in the week but now is OK ( with kde )
[18:35] <avis> how is natty daily build working with unity ?
[18:35] <Pici> Ohelig: Is it a separate partition?
[18:36] <Ohelig> unity can smd
[18:36] <Ohelig> pici, no
[18:37] <avis> is there just 1 disgruntled unity user or are many people not happy with unity ?
[18:37] <Ohelig> well, people i have talked to said that they dislike unity
[18:37] <Ohelig> but me + friends can't represent the entire community, so...
[18:37] <rww> genii-around: KDE here too. It's nice enough that I'm considering moving my Debian desktop to natty when it's released :)
[18:41] <Ohelig> also, does anyone have a problem where usb devices (such as wireless interwebs) don't turn off after shutting down or logging out?
[18:41] <Ohelig> I had the problem on 10.10, so think it just may be my mobo
[18:42] <Ohelig> but it's irritating because they don't respond when the comp is turned back on, so i need to take them out and plug them back in
[18:42] <Ohelig> or maybe it's an unfixed bug, because it didn't happen on windows
[18:44] <charlie-tca> rww: my xubuntu is not broken too much :-)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> well, except my weather bug won't work yet
[18:46] <Ohelig> >bug won't work
[18:46] <Ohelig> how do bugs not work :S
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I mean... my weather applet won't work. ;-)
[18:47] <charlie-tca> It seems to be a bug, I think
[18:48] <avis> anyone using the current unity and actually like it ?
[18:49] <charlie-tca> ha-ha-ha
[18:49] <Daekdroom> !info netspeed
[18:50] <Ohelig> avis is a spy from Canonical to gather information on what people think of Unity!
[18:51] <Ohelig> quick, catch him!
[18:52] <charlie-tca> why bother. Look at all the positive answers received...
[18:53] <Ohelig> huh?
[18:56] <rww> charlie-tca: like I said, not-GNOME seems to be working fine :)
[18:56] <rww> (congrats, btw)
[18:57] <charlie-tca> oh, I guess I mis-read that somehow...
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Ohelig, he means that there's no information to be gathered.
[18:57] <charlie-tca> thanks
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Anyway, I think Unity is too raw :|
[18:57] <avis> Ohelig, do you think Canonical are not welcome in this channel ?
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Also, that was only a joke.
[18:57] <charlie-tca> all those yeses to who likes it should let any spy go back with solid information
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I welcome Canonical reps here, myself
[18:58] <Ohelig> avis, i never said Canonical is not allowed here
[18:58] <rww> As far as Unity goes... we're less than halfway through the release cycle, and Unity is a rewrite fron scratch in 11.04, not an incremental development from 10.10. Of /course/ it's not stable yet.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> but you got to give 'em credit, for as big a thing as it is, it does at least work this early in the cycle
[18:59] <Ohelig> I'm fine with unity being on 11.04, however I'm not pleased that they made it default when it isn't stable
[19:00] <rww> They added Pulseaudio in an LTS release, Plymouth in an LTS release, etc. Just be glad they didn't do this for 12.04 instead ;P
[19:01] <rww> Ubuntu's definition of being stable enough for a release are... interesting.
[19:01] <rww> (says the Debian user, so it's not surprising there's a disagreement there)
[19:01] <Ohelig> 12.10 should come with a preset apocalypse theme, but not default
[19:02] <Ohelig> ok so
[19:02] <Ohelig> what is up with the hostnames that are somewhere along the lines of /ubuntu/member/name or /ubuntu/supporter/name
[19:03] <Daekdroom> Those aren't hostnames
[19:03] <Daekdroom> Those are cloaks
[19:04] <rww> Ohelig: ubuntu/member/nickname are given to Ubuntu Members. ubuntu/bot/nickname is for official bots. They're the only namespace cloaks we have; there isn't a /supporter/ one
[19:04] <rww> !member
[19:05] <Ohelig> avis [~ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis] has joined #ubuntu+1
[19:05] <Ohelig> I was close :(
[19:05] <Daekdroom> Ohelig, not every cloak in freenode is provided by Ubuntu
[19:05] <Daekdroom> He got that through other means.
[19:05] <rww> PDPC is the parent organization of freenode. pdpc/supporter cloaks are offered to people who donate to them (at the "student" donation level, in this case)
[19:07] <Ohelig> oh, i need to contribute to be a member? :(
[19:07] <rww> Ubuntu membership requires sustained contributions to Ubuntu, yes.
[19:07] <Ohelig> I don't know how to speak computer very well :S
[19:08] <rww> "contributions" doesn't necessarily mean programming. I got it through local advocacy work and support here on IRC.
[19:41] <csgeek> hello all
[19:43] <csgeek> I just upgraded to natty, 64bit version...and it seems flash is broken... when I try to install it I get lots of errors/warnings.... pastie:  http://pastie.org/1506886
[19:46] <Ohelig> did you try to install the 32 bit version of flash?
[19:46] <Ohelig> the 64 bit version has to be manually installed
[19:47] <csgeek> yeah.. I tried to do the 32 bit version..
[19:48] <csgeek> where is 64 bit obtained from?  just standard adobe webiste?
[19:49] <Ohelig> hold on, i'll find where i got mine
[19:51] <csgeek> I'm browsing the adobe labs  page..... or trying to
[19:52] <Ohelig> yeah, so am i
[19:52] <Ohelig> looking through history :S
[19:54] <csgeek> its not particularly easy to navigate.. unless they've done some.. round robin thing.. need flash to get the flash plugin
[19:55] <Ohelig> see, when you download the file, it SHOULD have opened up in software center, which then says "wrong architecture 'i386'"
[19:55] <Ohelig> because we're using AMD
[19:55] <csgeek> nope.. i let me download it
[19:56] <Ohelig> or, at least I assume you are, as there is no 64 bit architecture for i386
[19:56] <Ohelig> bah
[19:56] <Ohelig> if you trust me enough, i could just give you the file
[19:57] <Ohelig> actually, look here
[19:57] <Ohelig> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[19:57] <Ohelig> that's why i couldn't find it :\
[19:57] <Ohelig> :/
[19:58] <csgeek> that's fine.. i don't care
[19:59] <Ohelig> so i guess
[19:59] <Ohelig> the 32 bit version that you find by following links from http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[19:59] <Ohelig> works with 64bit
[20:00] <csgeek> okay.. so I get a .so file out of it
[20:00] <csgeek> pop it in /usr/lib ? and  sudo ldconfig?
[20:02] <Ohelig> well
[20:02] <Ohelig> i put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:03] <csgeek> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /home/samirf/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/home/samirf/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
[20:03] <csgeek> I don't think it works with 64
[20:04] <csgeek> I got 10.2 from http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[20:08] <Ohelig> weird
[20:08] <Ohelig> it works for me
[20:09] <Ohelig> sudo mv /home/ohelig/Desktop/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:09] <Ohelig> try that, with having libflashplayer.so on your desktop
[20:10] <Ohelig> and replace my name with yours
[20:10] <Ohelig> obviously
[20:11] <Ohelig> csgeek
[20:42] <csgeek> oh.. sorry.... work meeting interupted
[20:46] <Ohelig> ok
[20:54] <csgeek> so.. I removed all versions of libflashplayer.so but the one I downloaded
[20:57] <csgeek> copied it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:57] <csgeek> same ELF issue
[21:12] <yofel> !lfash64 | csgeek
[21:12] <yofel> !flash64
[21:13] <yofel> csgeek: you either need nspluginwrapper for the 32bit plugin or use the native 64bit pre-release
[21:14] <yofel> and the native one works fine here
[21:14] <csgeek> well.. that's the thing.. I can't seem to find the native one.. the one that Ohelig helped me get seems to be a 32bit version
[21:29] <csgeek> thanks yofel
[21:36] <csgeek> hmmm.. PA doesn't have the natty build
[21:41] <csgeek> yuppie.. works now
[21:41] <csgeek> ppa didn't work.. had to grab it manually
[21:57] <csgeek> also.. KDE 4.6 looks amazing on the latest one..
[22:29] <coz_> hey all
[22:32] <nemo> grr. I cannot figure out how to turn off that thick heavy shadow on windows :(
[22:33] <nemo> I assumed it was window decoration. wasn't.
[22:33] <nemo> or at least, turning off shadow did not help
[22:35] <nemo> screwit
[22:35]  * nemo goes back to metacity
[22:35] <nemo> ahhhh
[22:35] <nemo> you can't turn off compiz anymore!
[22:35] <nemo> nooooo
[22:35] <nemo> this is not good
[22:36] <Ohelig> nemo, there is only one solution.
[22:36] <Ohelig> Destroy the internet.
[22:36] <Daekdroom> nemo, yes, you can turn off compiz
[22:36] <nemo> Daekdroom: manually I guess
[22:37] <Daekdroom> (unless you're using Unity)
[22:37] <nemo> no. I turned that off
[22:37] <nemo> too crashy
[22:37] <nemo> also kept placing my windows off-screen
[22:37] <Daekdroom> then you hell yeah can replace compiz :|
[22:37] <Daekdroom> ALT+F2 metacity --replace
[22:37] <nemo> oh good
[22:37] <Daekdroom> It works. I use it all the time.
[22:37] <nemo> it is still there, just hidden
[22:38] <nemo> ah. better.
[22:38] <nemo> I missing having a gaussian blur on translucent windows...
[22:38] <nemo> but it was horribly slow compared to 10.10
[22:38] <nemo> perhaps the new mesa 7.10 is a WIP
[22:38] <nemo> (gaussian blur breaks up sharp edges on the desktop background so they don't distract in terminals)
[22:39] <nemo> perhaps it was horribly slow due to other stuff like the heavy shadows that I couldn't seem to turn off. who knows.
[23:11] <BUGabundo_noX> yooo
[23:44] <BUGabundo_noX> meh
[23:44] <BUGabundo_noX> we got 2.6.38 now
[23:44] <BUGabundo_noX> but now X :(
[23:45] <Daekdroom> I'm waiting for a even more recent kernel so I can fix the lockups with my GPU