| * AlanBell wonders if Pendulum likes Faisal | 14:10 | |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: I haven't had a chance to look and I won't have a chance right now, either | 14:10 |
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| Pendulum | (sorry, have had other things and am about to have to leave for a semi-busy day) | 14:11 |
| AlanBell | ok that is fine | 14:11 |
| AlanBell | have a nice day | 14:11 |
| Pendulum | I will look this evening | 14:12 |
| pendulum|phone | AlanBell: Faisal post looks good. I made a couple proofreading changes, but that's it. | 18:02 |
| AlanBell | great | 18:04 |
| AlanBell | ready to go then? | 18:04 |
| * AlanBell hits the publish button | 18:06 | |
| AlanBell | http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ | 18:07 |
| AlanBell | if people want to have a look at that and shout about any errors or enhancements that would be great | 18:07 |
| === leoquant is now known as thedarkeststar | ||
| * kdub_ thinks the "ubuntu accessibility stories" are a good idea on #planetubuntu | 18:39 | |
| thedarkeststar | what stories kdub_ ? | 18:41 |
| kdub_ | latest thing that popped up on planet ubuntu | 18:42 |
| thedarkeststar | do ya have a linkage? | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | thanks kdub_ | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ | 18:42 |
| thedarkeststar | hi erkan^ how are you doing? | 18:43 |
| kdub_ | as a dev (oftentimes UI dev) its easy to forget accessibility | 18:43 |
| kdub_ | a blog post like that is a good reminder | 18:44 |
| thedarkeststar | yeah, indeed | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | kdub_: there will be another 4 or so with different issues | 18:47 |
| thedarkeststar | thx writing this story AlanBell | 18:47 |
| erkan^ | me, thedarkeststar ? | 18:53 |
| erkan^ | I am fine .. thank you. and dyou thedarkeststar ? | 18:55 |
| erkan^ | *you | 18:55 |
| erkan^ | (-: | 18:55 |
| thedarkeststar | i am fine thx erkan^ | 18:56 |
| erkan^ | (-: | 18:57 |
| thedarkeststar | and you'r most welcome to participate in mwanzo if you want | 18:58 |
| thedarkeststar | as a reminder..:) | 18:59 |
| erkan^ | for python? | 18:59 |
| thedarkeststar | whatever you like or in the team | 18:59 |
| erkan^ | wat does mwanzo precious ? | 19:01 |
| thedarkeststar | short: helping people to participate in the loco and in ubuntu in general | 19:02 |
| thedarkeststar | our wiki is somewhat less short... | 19:03 |
| erkan^ | I understand, but my english is not good , because I am deaf | 19:04 |
| thedarkeststar | spot talent and guiding people/members | 19:04 |
| thedarkeststar | sorry to hear erkan^... | 19:04 |
| erkan^ | no problem | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | AlanBell: nice post! You did a great job on that | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | thanks charlie-tca | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | I am quite pleased with it | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | I put a bit of focus on making Faisal quite likeable, someone you could be friends with | 19:07 |
| AlanBell | I think that works | 19:07 |
| thedarkeststar | AlanBell, it works | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, it does | 19:10 |
| thedarkeststar | its difficult to find a/the balance being "sentimental" (heartbreaking story) and being honest/informative i am not a native English, but i hope you understand what i mean | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I didn't want to go for sympathy really | 19:19 |
| AlanBell | or just informative and dry | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | dry is easy, but the rest is kind of a fine line. I think you got it down quite well. | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | OTOH, I hate reading things that describe me/my family/my friends | 19:27 |
| === jono_ is now known as jono | ||
| === thedarkeststar is now known as leoquant | ||
| AlanBell | jono: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ | 20:35 |
| jono | AlanBell, saw that, awesome! | 20:37 |
| jono | AlanBell, I will Facebook it and Tweet it | 20:37 |
| AlanBell | yay | 20:37 |
| AlanBell | thanks | 20:37 |
| AlanBell | o/ hajour | 21:26 |
| hajour | he AlanBell | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ got published | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | I incorporated most of your edits, but not all of them because I was going for quite a specific tone with it | 21:27 |
| hajour | i go read | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | and some things will end up on the other personas | 21:27 |
| hajour | its ok | 21:28 |
| hajour | hee JackyAlcine :) | 21:28 |
| JackyAlcine | Hey hajour. | 21:31 |
| Pendulum | hiya | 21:32 |
| hajour | looks very good AlanBell | 21:34 |
| hajour | nice done | 21:34 |
| hajour | hai Pendulum :) | 21:35 |
| gpc | is there any voice recognition package I can install and test? | 21:37 |
| gpc | was at Ubuntu hour today and a couple of people asked because they can't live without Dragon software | 21:38 |
| hajour | AlanBell, ^ | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | simon-listens is one of the best I found | 21:38 |
| hajour | what of the programs is already usable | 21:39 |
| hajour | ? | 21:39 |
| gpc | AlanBell: how does it handle other languages like French? | 21:39 |
| * gpc installs and tests | 21:39 | |
| hajour | i don't know how far JackyAlcine is with the others | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | there are voice recognition libraries, cmusphinx and Julius, but the accuracy didn't impress me much | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | simon-listens is more programmable voice control rather than dictation so is massively more accurate as it is only dealing with a small vocabulary at a time | 21:40 |
| gpc | AlanBell: simon-listen is not in the repos? | 21:40 |
| gpc | ahh, well what the one person uses the app for is dictating letters/emails | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | !info simon | 21:41 |
| hajour | gpc AlanBell is open mary from simons listen? | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | openMary is text to speech, not speech to text | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | dictating letters and emails is a struggle right now | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | pocket sphynx is probably the best/easiest to get working | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | but I couldn't get it to reliably understand me counting to 10 | 21:43 |
| gpc | ok, so nothing comparable to Dragon | 21:43 |
| Pendulum | not yet :( | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | I have never used Dragon | 21:43 |
| Pendulum | there are people who have managed to get Dragon working under wine, but I don't know if that's currently possible | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | it could be that my microphone and configuration are rubbish | 21:44 |
| gpc | I don't want to tell them "Yeah! We got this." and then have them disappointed in Ubuntu. | 21:44 |
| Pendulum | gpc: general open source community feeling is that there's nothing yet that compares to Dragon | 21:44 |
| gpc | ok, so Windows in a VM it is for that. | 21:44 |
| gpc | thanks for the info folks :) | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/ | 21:45 |
| JackyAlcine | SpeechControl's working on alternatives, currently I'm proofreading blueprints for an application that can adapt voice models from VoxForge for CMU Sphinx on Linux systems. | 21:46 |
| JackyAlcine | The only thing that'll make it useful is people *training* the models, and uploading their training results. | 21:46 |
| hajour | hehe i just was reading back | 21:46 |
| hajour | thank you JackyAlcine | 21:46 |
| JackyAlcine | No problem, hajour. | 21:46 |
| hajour | JackyAlcine, is head dev from speechcontrol | 21:46 |
| hajour | and thank you to AlanBell for the information | 21:47 |
| JackyAlcine | As you can see here, from this submission's page, there isn't much uploaded for CMU Sphinx's free-text corpus. | 21:47 |
| JackyAlcine | http://voxforge.org/home/submit | 21:47 |
| hajour | hai jibel :) | 21:51 |
| jibel | Hey hajour! | 21:53 |
| hajour | how are you jibel :) | 21:53 |
| jibel | I'm good, what about you ? | 21:54 |
| hajour | well i only have the flu but thats all a little less so | 21:54 |
| hajour | better then a couple op days ago :P | 21:55 |
| hajour | can i help you jibel or are you just stuck around a bit here :) | 21:55 |
| hajour | jibel, if i already have seen you in past and talked then forgive me.i have not a really good memory:) | 21:57 |
| jibel | hajour, I'm just hanging around, | 21:58 |
| jibel | hajour, no worries, I don't remember you ever ;-) | 21:58 |
| hajour | thats oke .there are more here who do that | 21:58 |
| hajour | hehe ok .glad i have not forget again a person :) | 21:59 |
| hajour | jibel, ^ | 22:02 |
| hajour | jibel, i am not so long here on ubuntu only from 30 nov. 2010 : | 22:04 |
| hajour | :) | 22:04 |
| jibel | hajour, maybe you forgot me but I did too, so everything if perfect, nice to meet you :) | 22:04 |
| hajour | nice to meet you to jibel :) | 22:05 |
| gpc | ugh, to install simon I also need to install half of KDE :/ | 22:05 |
| gpc | not happy with that option | 22:05 |
| UndiFineD | gpc: yeah it depends upon qt | 22:06 |
| gpc | there is a PPA for it though | 22:06 |
| gpc | ppa:grasch-simon-listens/simon | 22:06 |
| hajour | JackyAlcine, do we need from the first stage of speechcontrol French translators or voice to speak in ? | 22:08 |
| hajour | are you from the French ubuntu gpc ? | 22:08 |
| JackyAlcine | Sorry for my parts and joins. | 22:08 |
| hajour | its alright JackyAlcine :) | 22:08 |
| gpc | hajour: yes | 22:08 |
| gpc | well, the Quebec team. | 22:09 |
| hajour | have you seen my question JackyAlcine ? | 22:09 |
| hajour | well gpc we are busy with a to make a new speechprogram based on a few old speech programs | 22:10 |
| JackyAlcine | Yes I have, hajour. They wouldn't have to go directly though us; they could contribute by submitting recorded audio directly to VoxForge | 22:10 |
| hajour | gpc, ^ | 22:10 |
| gpc | yup, saw the link JackyAlcine posted before :) | 22:10 |
| hajour | gpc, do you think you could get people motivated for to do that gpc ? | 22:10 |
| gpc | I can mention it to some of the folks in the team | 22:11 |
| hajour | that would be great | 22:11 |
| hajour | we are working hard to make it so it will work | 22:11 |
| hajour | gpc, ^ | 22:12 |
| hajour | i am the team leader from speechcontrol team gpc | 22:13 |
| AlanBell | UndiFineD: I think Daniella might be the next one to be published | 23:02 |
| UndiFineD | \o/ | 23:03 |
| UndiFineD | she was wonderful to work on | 23:03 |
| maco | AlanBell: wow i like the bit at the end that shows how to simulate | 23:07 |
| maco | AlanBell: on the personas thing i mean | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | they are all going to have that | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | "How to be $persona" is an important section, haven't really seen that on any of the other persona things I have looked at | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | I think that, plus a focus on making them likeable is key, the target audience is developers who have no special a11y interest | 23:12 |
| hajour | i have helped UndiFineD with the Daniella persona | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | it is looking good so far | 23:14 |
| hajour | just take a black glasses on .close the sides so much you can with tape | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | Daniela is the one who is totally blind | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | and wants to get into the paralympic swimming team | 23:15 |
| hajour | if you still see light then curtains close and of courses no cheating.lights out | 23:16 |
| hajour | i have been blind when i was young AlanBell | 23:17 |
| hajour | so i know what it is and how to simulate | 23:17 |
| AlanBell | category 11 swimming | 23:17 |
| hajour | yes i know AlanBell but read the lines above | 23:18 |
| hajour | what i have written | 23:18 |
| maco | or put on a bandana around your eyes | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | yes read that, I was just looking up the paralympic categories as you were typing | 23:18 |
| maco | so you dont trip getting out of the chair to turn the lights back on | 23:18 |
| hajour | no bandana you still see | 23:18 |
| maco | not if you fold it over a few times... | 23:18 |
| maco | (id probably use my no-light-when-im-sleeping-plzkthx thing) | 23:18 |
| hajour | just put the glasses off before you go stand up | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | there are also blind experience exhibitions | 23:19 |
| maco | hmm i wonder if i can even use a computer without my glasses | 23:19 |
| hajour | o and not forget to tell they must wait a couple off minutes befor working after the pc with the glasses on | 23:19 |
| maco | hmm ok so i see... a light coloured stripe up top where my panel is... some black for my terminal with grey areas to the black...thats teh text | 23:19 |
| AlanBell | like http://www.lathatatlan.hu | 23:20 |
| maco | and a grey/white box for my irc client. it has some grey fuzzy where the text fills the window but other than that... | 23:20 |
| hajour | because you cant total orientate any more | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | first simulation is to turn off the monitor, that way you can't see the screen, but you can still see to type | 23:20 |
| hajour | the first minutes | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | then cover the eyes and try typing blind | 23:21 |
| maco | the second is no problem for a touch typist | 23:21 |
| AlanBell | and then try and get around your own house blind, make a cup of tea etc. | 23:21 |
| hajour | and know try to imagine someone cant type because the person was not born blinded | 23:21 |
| maco | i dont think i'll be trying THAT one til my flat stops being full of half-unpacked boxes! | 23:21 |
| hajour | major problem | 23:22 |
| hajour | hehe maco | 23:22 |
| maco | i can barely walk around it with my glasses on! | 23:22 |
| hajour | well i was operated 52 times on my eyes | 23:22 |
| maco | wow | 23:23 |
| hajour | i come in there and see .i come out of the room and i see nothing.i was allone and 13 years.and i have taken the subway and train allone without seeing something | 23:23 |
| hajour | 52 times | 23:24 |
| maco | why did it take so many times, if you dont mind? | 23:24 |
| hajour | so i will try to do it for you AlanBell to refresh my memory | 23:24 |
| hajour | laser operations | 23:24 |
| maco | but... did they screw up the first 51 attempts? | 23:25 |
| hajour | my blood vessels had become porous behind my eyes and must make good again | 23:26 |
| hajour | 1 eye i now see other is blind | 23:26 |
| hajour | it could not be made after each other because you are awake if they do that | 23:27 |
| hajour | because of the nerves are also there | 23:28 |
| hajour | 1 mistake can mean you faces is going to hang | 23:28 |
| maco | having just taken my glasses off to experiment, i am now VERY happy that glasses exist | 23:28 |
| maco | and that i can afford them | 23:28 |
| hajour | yes i can understand that maco | 23:28 |
| hajour | glasses for my (good) eye do not help for me | 23:29 |
| hajour | i am already happy i am able to see with 1 eye all is it less working | 23:31 |
| hajour | but AlanBell do you have something about i said ? | 23:31 |
| maco | he's marked as away right now | 23:32 |
| maco | its fairly late there i think | 23:32 |
| hajour | yes oke i had not see he was marked away sorry | 23:32 |
| AlanBell | back now | 23:43 |
| AlanBell | just wondered off to watch TV for a bit | 23:43 |
| AlanBell | wow, 52 operations is loads | 23:44 |
| AlanBell | night all o/ | 23:45 |
| hajour | ok aye that where the laser operations and after that a emergency surgery with narcoses | 23:45 |
| hajour | night AlanBell let me know tomorrow or i was helpful with the info .:) | 23:46 |
| hajour | i go sleep to now good night all | 23:46 |
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