[14:10]  * AlanBell wonders if Pendulum likes Faisal
[14:10] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I haven't had a chance to look and I won't have a chance right now, either
[14:11] <Pendulum> (sorry, have had other things and am about to have to leave for a semi-busy day)
[14:11] <AlanBell> ok that is fine
[14:11] <AlanBell> have a nice day
[14:12] <Pendulum> I will look this evening
[18:02] <pendulum|phone> AlanBell: Faisal post looks good. I made a couple proofreading changes, but that's it. 
[18:04] <AlanBell> great
[18:04] <AlanBell> ready to go then?
[18:06]  * AlanBell hits the publish button
[18:07] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/
[18:07] <AlanBell> if people want to have a look at that and shout about any errors or enhancements that would be great
[18:39]  * kdub_ thinks the "ubuntu accessibility stories" are a good idea on #planetubuntu
[18:41] <thedarkeststar> what stories kdub_ ?
[18:42] <kdub_> latest thing that popped up on planet ubuntu
[18:42] <thedarkeststar> do ya have a linkage?
[18:42] <AlanBell> thanks kdub_ 
[18:42] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/
[18:43] <thedarkeststar> hi erkan^  how are you doing?
[18:43] <kdub_> as a dev (oftentimes UI dev) its easy to forget accessibility
[18:44] <kdub_> a blog post like that is a good reminder
[18:46] <thedarkeststar> yeah, indeed
[18:47] <AlanBell> kdub_: there will be another 4 or so with different issues
[18:47] <thedarkeststar> thx writing this story AlanBell 
[18:53] <erkan^> me, thedarkeststar ?
[18:55] <erkan^> I am fine .. thank you. and dyou thedarkeststar ?
[18:55] <erkan^> *you
[18:55] <erkan^> (-:
[18:56] <thedarkeststar> i am fine thx erkan^ 
[18:57] <erkan^> (-:
[18:58] <thedarkeststar> and you'r most welcome to participate in mwanzo  if you want
[18:59] <thedarkeststar> as a reminder..:)
[18:59] <erkan^> for python?
[18:59] <thedarkeststar> whatever you like or in the team
[19:01] <erkan^> wat does mwanzo precious ?
[19:02] <thedarkeststar> short: helping people to participate in the loco and in ubuntu in general
[19:03] <thedarkeststar> our wiki is somewhat less short...
[19:04] <erkan^> I understand, but my english is not good , because I am deaf
[19:04] <thedarkeststar> spot talent and guiding people/members
[19:04] <thedarkeststar> sorry to hear erkan^...
[19:04] <erkan^> no problem
[19:05] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: nice post! You did a great job on that 
[19:05] <AlanBell> thanks charlie-tca 
[19:05] <AlanBell> I am quite pleased with it
[19:07] <AlanBell> I put a bit of focus on making Faisal quite likeable, someone you could be friends with
[19:07] <AlanBell> I think that works
[19:07] <thedarkeststar> AlanBell, it works
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Yes, it does
[19:13] <thedarkeststar> its difficult to find a/the balance being "sentimental" (heartbreaking story) and being honest/informative i am not a native English, but i hope you understand what i mean
[19:19] <AlanBell> yeah, I didn't want to go for sympathy really
[19:19] <AlanBell> or just informative and dry
[19:26] <charlie-tca> dry is easy, but the rest is kind of a fine line. I think you got it down quite well.
[19:27] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I hate reading things that describe me/my family/my friends
[20:35] <AlanBell> jono: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/
[20:37] <jono> AlanBell, saw that, awesome!
[20:37] <jono> AlanBell, I will Facebook it and Tweet it
[20:37] <AlanBell> yay
[20:37] <AlanBell> thanks
[21:26] <AlanBell> o/ hajour 
[21:27] <hajour> he AlanBell 
[21:27] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ got published
[21:27] <AlanBell> I incorporated most of your edits, but not all of them because I was going for quite a specific tone with it
[21:27] <hajour> i go read 
[21:27] <AlanBell> and some things will end up on the other personas
[21:28] <hajour> its ok
[21:28] <hajour> hee JackyAlcine :)
[21:31] <JackyAlcine> Hey hajour. 
[21:32] <Pendulum> hiya
[21:34] <hajour> looks very good AlanBell 
[21:34] <hajour> nice done
[21:35] <hajour> hai Pendulum :)
[21:37] <gpc> is there any voice recognition package I can install and test?
[21:38] <gpc> was at Ubuntu hour today and a couple of people asked because they can't live without Dragon software
[21:38] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[21:38] <AlanBell> simon-listens is one of the best I found
[21:39] <hajour> what of the programs is already usable
[21:39] <hajour> ?
[21:39] <gpc> AlanBell: how does it handle other languages like French?
[21:39]  * gpc installs and tests
[21:39] <hajour> i don't know how far JackyAlcine  is with the others
[21:39] <AlanBell> there are voice recognition libraries, cmusphinx and Julius, but the accuracy didn't impress me much
[21:40] <AlanBell> simon-listens is more programmable voice control rather than dictation so is massively more accurate as it is only dealing with a small vocabulary at a time
[21:40] <gpc> AlanBell: simon-listen is not in the repos?
[21:41] <gpc> ahh, well what the one person uses the app for is dictating letters/emails
[21:41] <AlanBell> !info simon
[21:41] <hajour> gpc AlanBell is open mary from simons listen?
[21:42] <AlanBell> openMary is text to speech, not speech to text
[21:42] <AlanBell> dictating letters and emails is a struggle right now
[21:42] <AlanBell> pocket sphynx is probably the best/easiest to get working
[21:43] <AlanBell> but I couldn't get it to reliably understand me counting to 10
[21:43] <gpc> ok, so nothing comparable to Dragon
[21:43] <Pendulum> not yet :(
[21:43] <AlanBell> I have never used Dragon
[21:44] <Pendulum> there are people who have managed to get Dragon working under wine, but I don't know if that's currently possible
[21:44] <AlanBell> it could be that my microphone and configuration are rubbish
[21:44] <gpc> I don't want to tell them "Yeah! We got this." and then have them disappointed in Ubuntu.
[21:44] <Pendulum> gpc: general open source community feeling is that there's nothing yet that compares to Dragon
[21:44] <gpc> ok, so Windows in a VM it is for that.
[21:45] <gpc> thanks for the info folks :)
[21:45] <AlanBell> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/
[21:46] <JackyAlcine> SpeechControl's working on alternatives, currently I'm proofreading blueprints for an application that can adapt voice models from VoxForge for CMU Sphinx on Linux systems.
[21:46] <JackyAlcine> The only thing that'll make it useful is people *training* the models, and uploading their training results.
[21:46] <hajour> hehe i just was reading back
[21:46] <hajour> thank you JackyAlcine 
[21:46] <JackyAlcine> No problem, hajour.
[21:46] <hajour> JackyAlcine,  is head dev from speechcontrol
[21:47] <hajour> and thank you to AlanBell  for the information
[21:47] <JackyAlcine> As you can see here, from this submission's page, there isn't much uploaded for CMU Sphinx's free-text corpus.
[21:47] <JackyAlcine> http://voxforge.org/home/submit
[21:51] <hajour> hai jibel :)
[21:53] <jibel> Hey hajour!
[21:53] <hajour> how are you jibel :)
[21:54] <jibel> I'm good, what about you ?
[21:54] <hajour> well i only have the flu but thats all a little less so
[21:55] <hajour> better then a couple op days ago :P
[21:55] <hajour> can i help you jibel  or are you just stuck around a bit here :)
[21:57] <hajour> jibel,  if i already have seen you in past and talked then forgive me.i have not a really good memory:)
[21:58] <jibel> hajour, I'm just hanging around, 
[21:58] <jibel> hajour, no worries, I don't remember you ever ;-) 
[21:58] <hajour> thats oke .there are more here who do that
[21:59] <hajour> hehe ok .glad i have not forget again a person :)
[22:02] <hajour> jibel, ^
[22:04] <hajour> jibel,  i am not so long here on ubuntu only from 30 nov. 2010 :
[22:04] <hajour> :)
[22:04] <jibel> hajour, maybe you forgot me but I did too, so everything if perfect, nice to meet you :)
[22:05] <hajour> nice to meet you to jibel :)
[22:05] <gpc> ugh, to install simon I also need to install half of KDE :/
[22:05] <gpc> not happy with that option
[22:06] <UndiFineD> gpc: yeah it depends upon qt
[22:06] <gpc> there is a PPA for it though
[22:06] <gpc> ppa:grasch-simon-listens/simon
[22:08] <hajour> JackyAlcine, do we need from the first stage of speechcontrol French translators or voice to speak in ?
[22:08] <hajour> are you from the French ubuntu gpc ?
[22:08] <JackyAlcine> Sorry for my parts and joins.
[22:08] <hajour> its alright JackyAlcine :)
[22:08] <gpc> hajour: yes
[22:09] <gpc> well, the Quebec team.
[22:09] <hajour> have you seen my question JackyAlcine ?
[22:10] <hajour> well gpc  we are busy with a to make a new speechprogram based on a few old speech programs
[22:10] <JackyAlcine> Yes I have, hajour. They wouldn't have to go directly though us; they could contribute by submitting recorded audio directly to VoxForge
[22:10] <hajour> gpc, ^
[22:10] <gpc> yup, saw the link JackyAlcine posted before :)
[22:10] <hajour> gpc, do you think you could get people motivated for to do that gpc ?
[22:11] <gpc> I can mention it to some of the folks in the team
[22:11] <hajour> that would be great
[22:11] <hajour> we are working hard to make it so it will work
[22:12] <hajour> gpc, ^
[22:13] <hajour> i am the team leader from speechcontrol team gpc 
[23:02] <AlanBell> UndiFineD: I think Daniella might be the next one to be published
[23:03] <UndiFineD> \o/
[23:03] <UndiFineD> she was wonderful to work on
[23:07] <maco> AlanBell: wow i like the bit at the end that shows how to simulate
[23:08] <maco> AlanBell: on the personas thing i mean
[23:08] <AlanBell> they are all going to have that
[23:10] <AlanBell> "How to be $persona" is an important section, haven't really seen that on any of the other persona things I have looked at
[23:12] <AlanBell> I think that, plus a focus on making them likeable is key, the target audience is developers who have no special a11y interest
[23:12] <hajour> i have helped UndiFineD  with the Daniella persona
[23:14] <AlanBell> it is looking good so far
[23:14] <hajour> just take a black glasses on .close the sides so much you can with tape
[23:15] <AlanBell> Daniela is the one who is totally blind
[23:15] <AlanBell> and wants to get into the paralympic swimming team
[23:16] <hajour> if you still see light then curtains close and of courses no cheating.lights out
[23:17] <hajour> i have been blind when i was young AlanBell 
[23:17] <hajour> so i know what it is and how to simulate
[23:17] <AlanBell> category 11 swimming
[23:18] <hajour> yes i know AlanBell  but read the lines above
[23:18] <hajour> what i have written
[23:18] <maco> or put on a bandana around your eyes
[23:18] <AlanBell> yes read that, I was just looking up the paralympic categories as you were typing
[23:18] <maco> so you dont trip getting out of the chair to turn the lights back on
[23:18] <hajour> no bandana you still see
[23:18] <maco> not if you fold it over a few times...
[23:18] <maco> (id probably use my no-light-when-im-sleeping-plzkthx thing)
[23:18] <hajour> just put the glasses off before you go stand up
[23:19] <AlanBell> there are also blind experience exhibitions
[23:19] <maco> hmm i wonder if i can even use a computer without my glasses
[23:19] <hajour> o and not forget to tell they must wait a couple off minutes befor working after the pc with the glasses on
[23:19] <maco> hmm ok so i see... a light coloured stripe up top where my panel is... some black for my terminal with grey areas to the black...thats teh text
[23:20] <AlanBell> like http://www.lathatatlan.hu
[23:20] <maco> and a grey/white box for my irc client. it has some grey fuzzy where the text fills the window but other than that...
[23:20] <hajour> because you cant total orientate  any more
[23:20] <AlanBell> first simulation is to turn off the monitor, that way you can't see the screen, but you can still see to type
[23:20] <hajour> the first minutes
[23:21] <AlanBell> then cover the eyes and try typing blind
[23:21] <maco> the second is no problem for a touch typist
[23:21] <AlanBell> and then try and get around your own house blind, make a cup of tea etc.
[23:21] <hajour> and know try to imagine someone cant type because the person was not born blinded
[23:21] <maco> i dont think i'll be trying THAT one til my flat stops being full of half-unpacked boxes!
[23:22] <hajour> major problem
[23:22] <hajour> hehe maco 
[23:22] <maco> i can barely walk around it with my glasses on!
[23:22] <hajour> well i was operated 52 times on my eyes
[23:23] <maco> wow
[23:23] <hajour> i come in there and see .i come out of the room and i see nothing.i was allone and 13 years.and i have taken the subway and train allone without seeing something
[23:24] <hajour> 52 times
[23:24] <maco> why did it take so many times, if you dont mind?
[23:24] <hajour> so i will try to do it for you AlanBell  to refresh my memory
[23:24] <hajour> laser operations
[23:25] <maco> but... did they screw up the first 51 attempts?
[23:26] <hajour> my blood vessels had become porous behind my eyes and must make good again
[23:26] <hajour> 1 eye i now see other is blind
[23:27] <hajour> it could not be made after each other because you are awake if they do that
[23:28] <hajour> because of the nerves are also there
[23:28] <hajour> 1 mistake can mean you faces is going to hang
[23:28] <maco> having just taken my glasses off to experiment, i am now VERY happy that glasses exist
[23:28] <maco> and that i can afford them
[23:28] <hajour> yes i can understand that maco 
[23:29] <hajour> glasses for my (good) eye do not help for me
[23:31] <hajour> i am already happy i am able to see with 1 eye all is it less working
[23:31] <hajour> but AlanBell  do you have something about i said ?
[23:32] <maco> he's marked as away right now
[23:32] <maco> its fairly late there i think
[23:32] <hajour> yes oke i had not see he was marked away sorry 
[23:43] <AlanBell> back now
[23:43] <AlanBell> just wondered off to watch TV for a bit
[23:44] <AlanBell> wow, 52 operations is loads
[23:45] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:45] <hajour> ok aye that where the laser operations and after that a emergency surgery with narcoses
[23:46] <hajour> night AlanBell  let me know tomorrow or i was helpful with the info .:)
[23:46] <hajour> i go sleep to now good night all