[14:10] * AlanBell wonders if Pendulum likes Faisal [14:10] AlanBell: I haven't had a chance to look and I won't have a chance right now, either [14:11] (sorry, have had other things and am about to have to leave for a semi-busy day) [14:11] ok that is fine [14:11] have a nice day [14:12] I will look this evening [18:02] AlanBell: Faisal post looks good. I made a couple proofreading changes, but that's it. [18:04] great [18:04] ready to go then? [18:06] * AlanBell hits the publish button [18:07] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ [18:07] if people want to have a look at that and shout about any errors or enhancements that would be great === leoquant is now known as thedarkeststar [18:39] * kdub_ thinks the "ubuntu accessibility stories" are a good idea on #planetubuntu [18:41] what stories kdub_ ? [18:42] latest thing that popped up on planet ubuntu [18:42] do ya have a linkage? [18:42] thanks kdub_ [18:42] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ [18:43] hi erkan^ how are you doing? [18:43] as a dev (oftentimes UI dev) its easy to forget accessibility [18:44] a blog post like that is a good reminder [18:46] yeah, indeed [18:47] kdub_: there will be another 4 or so with different issues [18:47] thx writing this story AlanBell [18:53] me, thedarkeststar ? [18:55] I am fine .. thank you. and dyou thedarkeststar ? [18:55] *you [18:55] (-: [18:56] i am fine thx erkan^ [18:57] (-: [18:58] and you'r most welcome to participate in mwanzo if you want [18:59] as a reminder..:) [18:59] for python? [18:59] whatever you like or in the team [19:01] wat does mwanzo precious ? [19:02] short: helping people to participate in the loco and in ubuntu in general [19:03] our wiki is somewhat less short... [19:04] I understand, but my english is not good , because I am deaf [19:04] spot talent and guiding people/members [19:04] sorry to hear erkan^... [19:04] no problem [19:05] AlanBell: nice post! You did a great job on that [19:05] thanks charlie-tca [19:05] I am quite pleased with it [19:07] I put a bit of focus on making Faisal quite likeable, someone you could be friends with [19:07] I think that works [19:07] AlanBell, it works [19:10] Yes, it does [19:13] its difficult to find a/the balance being "sentimental" (heartbreaking story) and being honest/informative i am not a native English, but i hope you understand what i mean [19:19] yeah, I didn't want to go for sympathy really [19:19] or just informative and dry [19:26] dry is easy, but the rest is kind of a fine line. I think you got it down quite well. [19:27] OTOH, I hate reading things that describe me/my family/my friends === jono_ is now known as jono === thedarkeststar is now known as leoquant [20:35] jono: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ [20:37] AlanBell, saw that, awesome! [20:37] AlanBell, I will Facebook it and Tweet it [20:37] yay [20:37] thanks [21:26] o/ hajour [21:27] he AlanBell [21:27] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ got published [21:27] I incorporated most of your edits, but not all of them because I was going for quite a specific tone with it [21:27] i go read [21:27] and some things will end up on the other personas [21:28] its ok [21:28] hee JackyAlcine :) [21:31] Hey hajour. [21:32] hiya [21:34] looks very good AlanBell [21:34] nice done [21:35] hai Pendulum :) [21:37] is there any voice recognition package I can install and test? [21:38] was at Ubuntu hour today and a couple of people asked because they can't live without Dragon software [21:38] AlanBell, ^ [21:38] simon-listens is one of the best I found [21:39] what of the programs is already usable [21:39] ? [21:39] AlanBell: how does it handle other languages like French? [21:39] * gpc installs and tests [21:39] i don't know how far JackyAlcine is with the others [21:39] there are voice recognition libraries, cmusphinx and Julius, but the accuracy didn't impress me much [21:40] simon-listens is more programmable voice control rather than dictation so is massively more accurate as it is only dealing with a small vocabulary at a time [21:40] AlanBell: simon-listen is not in the repos? [21:41] ahh, well what the one person uses the app for is dictating letters/emails [21:41] !info simon [21:41] gpc AlanBell is open mary from simons listen? [21:42] openMary is text to speech, not speech to text [21:42] dictating letters and emails is a struggle right now [21:42] pocket sphynx is probably the best/easiest to get working [21:43] but I couldn't get it to reliably understand me counting to 10 [21:43] ok, so nothing comparable to Dragon [21:43] not yet :( [21:43] I have never used Dragon [21:44] there are people who have managed to get Dragon working under wine, but I don't know if that's currently possible [21:44] it could be that my microphone and configuration are rubbish [21:44] I don't want to tell them "Yeah! We got this." and then have them disappointed in Ubuntu. [21:44] gpc: general open source community feeling is that there's nothing yet that compares to Dragon [21:44] ok, so Windows in a VM it is for that. [21:45] thanks for the info folks :) [21:45] http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/ [21:46] SpeechControl's working on alternatives, currently I'm proofreading blueprints for an application that can adapt voice models from VoxForge for CMU Sphinx on Linux systems. [21:46] The only thing that'll make it useful is people *training* the models, and uploading their training results. [21:46] hehe i just was reading back [21:46] thank you JackyAlcine [21:46] No problem, hajour. [21:46] JackyAlcine, is head dev from speechcontrol [21:47] and thank you to AlanBell for the information [21:47] As you can see here, from this submission's page, there isn't much uploaded for CMU Sphinx's free-text corpus. [21:47] http://voxforge.org/home/submit [21:51] hai jibel :) [21:53] Hey hajour! [21:53] how are you jibel :) [21:54] I'm good, what about you ? [21:54] well i only have the flu but thats all a little less so [21:55] better then a couple op days ago :P [21:55] can i help you jibel or are you just stuck around a bit here :) [21:57] jibel, if i already have seen you in past and talked then forgive me.i have not a really good memory:) [21:58] hajour, I'm just hanging around, [21:58] hajour, no worries, I don't remember you ever ;-) [21:58] thats oke .there are more here who do that [21:59] hehe ok .glad i have not forget again a person :) [22:02] jibel, ^ [22:04] jibel, i am not so long here on ubuntu only from 30 nov. 2010 : [22:04] :) [22:04] hajour, maybe you forgot me but I did too, so everything if perfect, nice to meet you :) [22:05] nice to meet you to jibel :) [22:05] ugh, to install simon I also need to install half of KDE :/ [22:05] not happy with that option [22:06] gpc: yeah it depends upon qt [22:06] there is a PPA for it though [22:06] ppa:grasch-simon-listens/simon [22:08] JackyAlcine, do we need from the first stage of speechcontrol French translators or voice to speak in ? [22:08] are you from the French ubuntu gpc ? [22:08] Sorry for my parts and joins. [22:08] its alright JackyAlcine :) [22:08] hajour: yes [22:09] well, the Quebec team. [22:09] have you seen my question JackyAlcine ? [22:10] well gpc we are busy with a to make a new speechprogram based on a few old speech programs [22:10] Yes I have, hajour. They wouldn't have to go directly though us; they could contribute by submitting recorded audio directly to VoxForge [22:10] gpc, ^ [22:10] yup, saw the link JackyAlcine posted before :) [22:10] gpc, do you think you could get people motivated for to do that gpc ? [22:11] I can mention it to some of the folks in the team [22:11] that would be great [22:11] we are working hard to make it so it will work [22:12] gpc, ^ [22:13] i am the team leader from speechcontrol team gpc [23:02] UndiFineD: I think Daniella might be the next one to be published [23:03] \o/ [23:03] she was wonderful to work on [23:07] AlanBell: wow i like the bit at the end that shows how to simulate [23:08] AlanBell: on the personas thing i mean [23:08] they are all going to have that [23:10] "How to be $persona" is an important section, haven't really seen that on any of the other persona things I have looked at [23:12] I think that, plus a focus on making them likeable is key, the target audience is developers who have no special a11y interest [23:12] i have helped UndiFineD with the Daniella persona [23:14] it is looking good so far [23:14] just take a black glasses on .close the sides so much you can with tape [23:15] Daniela is the one who is totally blind [23:15] and wants to get into the paralympic swimming team [23:16] if you still see light then curtains close and of courses no cheating.lights out [23:17] i have been blind when i was young AlanBell [23:17] so i know what it is and how to simulate [23:17] category 11 swimming [23:18] yes i know AlanBell but read the lines above [23:18] what i have written [23:18] or put on a bandana around your eyes [23:18] yes read that, I was just looking up the paralympic categories as you were typing [23:18] so you dont trip getting out of the chair to turn the lights back on [23:18] no bandana you still see [23:18] not if you fold it over a few times... [23:18] (id probably use my no-light-when-im-sleeping-plzkthx thing) [23:18] just put the glasses off before you go stand up [23:19] there are also blind experience exhibitions [23:19] hmm i wonder if i can even use a computer without my glasses [23:19] o and not forget to tell they must wait a couple off minutes befor working after the pc with the glasses on [23:19] hmm ok so i see... a light coloured stripe up top where my panel is... some black for my terminal with grey areas to the black...thats teh text [23:20] like http://www.lathatatlan.hu [23:20] and a grey/white box for my irc client. it has some grey fuzzy where the text fills the window but other than that... [23:20] because you cant total orientate any more [23:20] first simulation is to turn off the monitor, that way you can't see the screen, but you can still see to type [23:20] the first minutes [23:21] then cover the eyes and try typing blind [23:21] the second is no problem for a touch typist [23:21] and then try and get around your own house blind, make a cup of tea etc. [23:21] and know try to imagine someone cant type because the person was not born blinded [23:21] i dont think i'll be trying THAT one til my flat stops being full of half-unpacked boxes! [23:22] major problem [23:22] hehe maco [23:22] i can barely walk around it with my glasses on! [23:22] well i was operated 52 times on my eyes [23:23] wow [23:23] i come in there and see .i come out of the room and i see nothing.i was allone and 13 years.and i have taken the subway and train allone without seeing something [23:24] 52 times [23:24] why did it take so many times, if you dont mind? [23:24] so i will try to do it for you AlanBell to refresh my memory [23:24] laser operations [23:25] but... did they screw up the first 51 attempts? [23:26] my blood vessels had become porous behind my eyes and must make good again [23:26] 1 eye i now see other is blind [23:27] it could not be made after each other because you are awake if they do that [23:28] because of the nerves are also there [23:28] 1 mistake can mean you faces is going to hang [23:28] having just taken my glasses off to experiment, i am now VERY happy that glasses exist [23:28] and that i can afford them [23:28] yes i can understand that maco [23:29] glasses for my (good) eye do not help for me [23:31] i am already happy i am able to see with 1 eye all is it less working [23:31] but AlanBell do you have something about i said ? [23:32] he's marked as away right now [23:32] its fairly late there i think [23:32] yes oke i had not see he was marked away sorry [23:43] back now [23:43] just wondered off to watch TV for a bit [23:44] wow, 52 operations is loads [23:45] night all o/ [23:45] ok aye that where the laser operations and after that a emergency surgery with narcoses [23:46] night AlanBell let me know tomorrow or i was helpful with the info .:) [23:46] i go sleep to now good night all