[00:25] <harrisonk> is it posible to add a button to the panel that when clicked will mute my mic?
[03:23] <Unguided> Hello all. Can someone please tell me what the recommended partition size for root and swap partition is for a new install please?
[03:33] <Unguided> Anyone?
[03:41] <JackyAlcine> Unguided: Root partition has to be at least 2.6 Gbs, recommended 10Gbs.
[03:42] <JackyAlcine> Unguided: Swap space should be 1.5x your RAM.
[03:43] <Unguided> JackyAlcine: OK. I can do that. I read the recommendation somewhere but i could not remember. Thank You so much for the help.
[03:44] <JackyAlcine> Unguided: No problem, always free free to ask questions here.
[03:45] <Unguided> JackyAlcine: any other partitions you would recommend and if so what size. I know home is where the user files are stored and this is n=my first full install on an older laptop.
[03:48] <JackyAlcine> Well, normally it's safe to install everything onto one partition, but to ensure data integrity after a (God forbid) system failure that won't hopefully harm your home directory, you can split the root partition into two parts; I recommend at least 70 Gbs for /home (your home folder) and 30 Gbs for your root directory (/)
[03:48] <JackyAlcine> This can be done in the Advanced Settings in the Ubiquity dialog (installation screen), Unguided.
[03:49] <JackyAlcine> Ensure that after those two resizing, you still have 1.5xRAM Gbs of space for swap.
[03:51] <Unguided> So what do you recommend for a 40gb HD. the laptop is an older Gateway. its a 2.4ghz with 512mb ram and 40 gb hard drive
[04:03] <yofel> hm, if you've got an external drive you can easy backup /home to, I wouldn't seperate them in that case, and go with 1-2G swap and the rest for /
[04:04] <yofel> if you really want to seperate them, 5-10G for / should be enough, depending how much software you plan to install
[04:07] <Unguided> Yofel: ok thanks. Ive been debating on buying a bigger HD but cant justify buying an IDE drive for it.
[04:27] <Unguided> Off to sleep. Good night all.
[05:08] <arrrghhh> hey all.  just installed ubuntu on my buddy's laptop, and GRUB doesn't see windows 7 for some reason.  win7 is still there, how can i get grub to 'see' it?
[05:10] <holstein> sudo update-grub maybe
[05:10] <holstein> arrrghhh: ^^
[05:10] <holstein> it should just see it
[05:10] <holstein> try that, and note the output
[05:11] <arrrghhh> holstein, i did try that... it sees itself (obviously) but no other partitions.
[05:11] <arrrghhh> i have a "os" entry in the places menu
[05:11] <holstein> check and make sure its still there
[05:11] <arrrghhh> and when i click it, i see my windows drive basically.
[05:11] <holstein> OH
[05:11] <holstein> ok
[05:11] <arrrghhh> isn't that good enough?
[05:11] <arrrghhh> lol
[05:11] <holstein> you can add it manually i suppose
[05:11] <holstein> in grub2
[05:12] <arrrghhh> how can i add it manually?
[05:12] <arrrghhh> i was thinking about tryin that... i've honestly never had grub not see windows.
[05:12] <holstein> yeah, me either
[05:13] <arrrghhh> so how can i add the entry to grub2 manually?
[05:13] <holstein> i would think you would add something to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[05:13] <holstein> id probably google
[05:13] <holstein> and poke around on the grub2 wiki a bit
[05:13] <arrrghhh> lol ok
[05:13] <holstein> surely this has come up on a forum somewheres
[05:14] <holstein> at least with xp
[05:16] <jiohdi> grub2 is complicated
[05:16] <jiohdi> you cannot just add to it like that
[05:16] <jiohdi> there are special files you have to change and then update it
[05:16] <holstein> in theory, you can
[05:16] <holstein> but you really shouldnt
[05:16] <jiohdi> if you do, it just reverts later
[05:17] <holstein> or, shouldnt have to
[05:17] <arrrghhh> jiohdi, how can i fix this?
[05:17] <holstein> depends on what you change
[05:17] <yofel> jiohdi: if you add it to /etc/grub.d/40_custom, it won't
[05:17]  * holstein high-fives yofel 
[05:17] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, you can run this script to get a what is where on the computer, pastebin it if needed if your near the computer. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[05:17] <jiohdi> yofel: yes, thats one of the ones you fix
[05:18] <nit-wit> might be missing a windows boot file if a partition was removed
[05:19] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, yea that's probably what happened.
[05:20] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, I suspect it can be fixed without manually hacking grub2
[05:21] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, good news.  i'll paste that output in a sec
[05:21] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, I have a script with the correct files if you don't know what to look for.:)
[05:22] <nit-wit> holstein, just seeing whats up.:)
[05:22] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, i wouldn't consider myself a beginner, but i feel like one after this!
[05:22] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, I am to.
[05:26] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, http://pastebin.com/qV5KQjci
[05:27] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, easy fix hold on.
[05:28] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, look at sda3 and notice the missing here is what it should look like  /bootmgr /Boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe
[05:28] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, this is missing /bootmgr /Boot/BCD
[05:29] <arrrghhh> ok... how do i fix it?
[05:29] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, the bootflag is on sda1 should be on sda3
[05:29] <arrrghhh> but GRUB is on sda1?
[05:30] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, you can put the bootflag on sda3 ten boot the recovery disc and run the autorepair three times or go to the command and run bootrec.exe /fixboot
[05:30] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, grub ias not the problem nor does it need a bootflag
[05:30] <nit-wit> *is
[05:30] <arrrghhh> oic
[05:30] <arrrghhh> ok
[05:31] <arrrghhh> so i boot to the win7 recovery disc
[05:31] <arrrghhh> and run bootrec.exe /fixboot
[05:31] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, one or the other I would just let the repair run you will just reload grub to the mbr its easy I wil lhelp you.
[05:32] <arrrghhh> ok booting to recovery win7 now
[05:32] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, repair or the command not both
[05:32] <arrrghhh> k
[05:32] <arrrghhh> doin the command
[05:32] <arrrghhh> haven't done repair
[05:33] <arrrghhh> hrm.  where do i run that command from?
[05:33] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, sometimes the repair command doesn't compete and the repair does so well those are the two methods.
[05:34] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, choose the languga then repiar the get to the repair section hold on I will get you w windows 7 visual link
[05:34] <arrrghhh> ok
[05:34] <arrrghhh> i am and the cmd prompt
[05:34] <arrrghhh> from repair
[05:34] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, here is a visual to the command line http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/20864-mbr-restore-windows-7-master-boot-record.html
[05:35] <nit-wit> the is a command terminal in repair
[05:35] <nit-wit> *there
[05:35] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, the link is for just getting to the terminal.
[05:36] <arrrghhh> oh i'm at the terminal
[05:36] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, if you run the command reboot to Ubuntu and run update-grub
[05:36] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, i'm at the win7 terminal
[05:36] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, hold on
[05:36] <arrrghhh> from system recovery options i chose command prompt
[05:36] <arrrghhh> np
[05:37] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, I was just making sure I gave you the correct command
[05:37] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, yes command prompt as in the pictures
[05:37] <arrrghhh> yup
[05:38] <arrrghhh> no worries
[05:38] <arrrghhh> i identified the disk
[05:38] <arrrghhh> did cd boot
[05:38] <arrrghhh> and dir
[05:38] <arrrghhh> i have a bootsect.exe
[05:39] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, BootRec.exe /FixBoot
[05:39] <arrrghhh> i did that before
[05:39] <arrrghhh> "The volume does not contain a recognized file system"
[05:40] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, that is all you have to do, if thats what you just did one command reboot to ubuntu and run sudo update-grub
[05:41] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, okay  your confusing me, when did you do that before
[05:41] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, that command didn't work
[05:41] <arrrghhh> i ran bootsect.exe /fixboot
[05:41] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, exsplain
[05:41] <arrrghhh> and it gave me that error
[05:42] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, did you move the bootflag to sda3 before boot the recovery disc
[05:43] <arrrghhh> crap... skipped that step.
[05:43] <egossett> i installed this debian pkg - linux ssl vpn and i cannot find it on my computer
[05:43] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, do that reboot and try again, easy mistake no harm done.:)
[05:44] <egossett> it was - ssl vpn installer rpm pkg - got message that says it was installed but i cannot find it on my computer
[05:44] <nit-wit> brb
[05:46] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, I assume you know how to use gparted to change the boot flag.
[05:46] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, yup doin that now.
[05:46] <arrrghhh> k ntfs drive now has bootflag
[05:47] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, cool
[05:47] <arrrghhh> then back to win7 recovery?
[05:48] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, yeah it should work now, but sometimes it doesn't then you use the repair at the top line on the same screen as the command choice
[05:49] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, were hoping to slide in the missing files and keep grub in place.
[05:49] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, if i have to re-setup grub it'll be fine
[05:50] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, loading the mbr is easy
[05:55] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, man i hate windows.  my version of win7 is ultimate and his version is home premium, so startup repair is not working.
[05:55] <arrrghhh> making progress tho, at least it sees there is a windows install there :D
[05:57] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, here is a recovery disc download, it is a ISO. http://neosmart.net/blog/2009/windows-7-system-repair-discs/
[05:57] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, every disc is the same they all have all the versions in 32 or 64 bit.
[05:58] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, the recovery down load is just a small bit of data to get you to the command
[05:59] <nit-wit> *comman/reair...etc
[05:59] <nit-wit> *repair
[06:11] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, any other ideas?  i just get "BOOTMGR is missing" now.
[06:11] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, so what have you done exactly
[06:12] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, well enabled that bootflag
[06:12] <arrrghhh> so /dev/sda3 has the bootflag
[06:12] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, good, and
[06:12] <arrrghhh> tried the bootrec /fixboot
[06:12] <arrrghhh> rebooted, bootmgr not found
[06:12] <arrrghhh> try bootsect /nt60 c:
[06:12] <arrrghhh> reboot, fail
[06:13] <arrrghhh> bootsect /nt60 SYS /mbr
[06:13] <arrrghhh> fail
[06:13] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, the autorepair wouldn't run?
[06:13] <arrrghhh> nope
[06:13] <arrrghhh> said it failed as well
[06:14] <arrrghhh> although it keeps whining about how it's not the right version
[06:14] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, what was the actual error as you need to run it 3 times
[06:14] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, download the recovery disc  posted.
[06:14] <arrrghhh> i need to run the bootrec command 3x?
[06:15] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, no, look at the 4 screen picture on the w& forums link there is a auto repair that is run 3 times
[06:15] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, 4th scree W7 forums link.
[06:17] <arrrghhh> the command prompt screen?
[06:18] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, yes at the top is startup repair=3 times
[06:18] <arrrghhh> oh
[06:18] <arrrghhh> hrm
[06:18] <arrrghhh> i guess i'll try it 3x
[06:18] <arrrghhh> it fails every time tho
[06:18] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, did you try that yet?
[06:19] <arrrghhh> i don't know if i've done it 3x
[06:19] <arrrghhh> i tried startup repair
[06:19] <arrrghhh> and it always fails
[06:19] <arrrghhh> offers to send an error report...
[06:19] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, okay, but did you run it 3 times in a row without other commands.
[06:19] <arrrghhh> probably not.
[06:19] <arrrghhh> so i run it, reboot, run it, reboot, run it reboot?
[06:20] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, no run it 3 times before ren=booting
[06:21] <arrrghhh> hrm
[06:21] <arrrghhh> ok
[06:21] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, If your getting errors with your disc then download the link and burn a disc and use it.
[06:22] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, errors I mean your description of a mysterious error of your disc not working, you do,t give a exact account here.
[06:22] <arrrghhh> eh this is a windows repair now as i see it
[06:23] <arrrghhh> so i'll just pick this up tomorrow. i do appreicate all your help tho.
[06:23] <arrrghhh> still boggles my mind how ubuntu didn't find win... oy.
[06:24] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, no problem this if W7 is intact is a easy fix, I help people everyday with just this sort of thing at the Ubuntu forums.
[06:26] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, Ubuntu didn't find windows due to missing files, somebody removed the partition where they were. It  is not Ubuntu or grub here.
[06:27] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, yea i wiped the 'recovery partition' basically
[06:28] <arrrghhh> but i thought that would be OK assuming i left the 'main' partition
[06:28] <arrrghhh> i thought recovery was just to reimage the machine in case something happens...
[06:29] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, this is where that bootscript will help you in the future, if you had run it you would have seen that you were missing the files on sda3 and inserted them and booted it to make sure it works before removing the recovery.
[06:30] <arrrghhh> nit-wit, well i removed it and installed ubuntu on that recovery part.  did the same thing with several other computers
[06:30] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, with factory installs the boot bcd can be in up to 3 partitions.
[06:31] <arrrghhh> damn.
[06:31] <arrrghhh> i bet that little fat16 one i blew away...
[06:31] <arrrghhh> i should've left it.  bah.
[06:32] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, no big deal I think the downloaded recovery disc may work, it does all the rest of times, I rarely see failures here if people follow the command or autorepair proptocol correctly.
[06:32] <arrrghhh> ok
[06:32] <arrrghhh> i'll download that iso tomorrow
[06:33] <nit-wit> arrrghhh, That will probably do it.
[08:42] <madcSPYnX> hi is natty narwhal is release or not
[08:42] <bioterror> same in english please
[08:42] <bioterror> is natty what
[08:42] <bioterror> released?
[08:45] <geekosopher> breaking news! :D
[08:46] <MrChrisDruif> ???
[08:50] <MrChrisDruif> geekosopher: What's the *breaking* news?
[08:58] <geekosopher> MrChrisDruif: i was referring to the natty release mentioned by bioterror ;)
[08:58] <bioterror> yep, never got an answer
[08:59] <MrChrisDruif> I didn't see that naty release mention...hence my question about the epic news...
[08:59] <MrChrisDruif> +t
[09:00] <geekosopher> never mind, was just trying to be 'punny' :)
[09:01] <MrChrisDruif> Is the second alpha out or something?
[09:01] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[09:02] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....so feb 3rd :)
[09:03] <bioterror> Lubuntu has Feb. 3rd too
[09:03] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome :)
[09:24] <charliemac> How do I choose the correct Partitioning option when following <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows>?
[09:27] <charliemac> I would have installed #lubuntu, but I couldn't boot from the CD-rom
[09:45] <maR3> how can I change my USER@ for use on IRC, or is it bound to my account name?
[09:49] <MrChrisDruif> maR3: You mean IRC-nick?
[09:50] <maR3> no, I mean the user in user@host :)
[09:50] <maR3>  maR3(marensius@146.80-202-239.nextgentel.com) the "marensius" part :-)
[09:51] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't that your account name for IRC? :) So I think it can't be changed
[09:52] <maR3> it is my account name in ubuntu yes, however when I blocked port 113 I could manipulate it to whatever I want ,however when I opened 113 for oidentd it got bound to my account name, so now im interessted in manipulating it again ;) changing the user in the .conf didnt help me :( so now I seek help ;)
[09:54] <MrChrisDruif> Well...I don't know, sorry :)
[09:54] <maR3> np, thanks for trying though ;)
[09:55] <geekosopher> maR3: as you mentioned, it is your username on that computer
[09:55] <maR3> yep, however, isnt it possible for me to override it?
[09:56] <geekosopher> I think you can change it in your irc client
[09:56] <geekosopher> which one are you using?
[09:56] <maR3> I have tried changing it in both Xchat(which I am using now) and Irssi, without positive results
[09:56] <geekosopher> what did you try in irssi?
[09:57] <maR3> I changed the "user_name" in .irssi/config
[09:58] <geekosopher> hmmm... let me see
[10:00] <geekosopher> maR3: it works
[10:00] <geekosopher> do this:
[10:01] <geekosopher> when you are in irssi, type "/set user_name <whatyouwish>"
[10:01] <geekosopher> then quit irssi
[10:01] <geekosopher> start again
[10:01] <geekosopher> maR3: you there?
[10:01] <maR3> that only works for me when I block port 113 for oident :(
[10:02] <maR3> has no effect for me when 113 is open
[10:03] <geekosopher> don't know much about that though :(
[10:03] <maR3> me neither :p thanks for trying ;D I will experiment some, or just, block 113 again ;)
[10:03] <geekosopher> np :)
[12:47] <kezkankrayon> I'm configuring a DHCP and DNS server and am unsure what I should do with the following lines in /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf:
[12:47] <kezkankrayon> # option definitions common to all supported networks...
[12:47] <kezkankrayon> option domain-name "http://example.org/";
[12:47] <kezkankrayon> option domain-name-servers http://ns1.example.org/, http://ns2.example.org/;
[13:00] <duanedesign> hello kezkankrayon
[13:01] <kezkankrayon> hello
[13:03] <kezkankrayon> am trying to find out what the best practice is for domain name in /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf
[13:05] <kezkankrayon> i've got hermod.omara.id.au(CNAME) -> http://omara.dyndns-ip.com/
[13:59] <madcSPYnX> hi can anyone help me
[14:01] <holstein> *helpful tip, if for some reason you cant read the topic in a new channel, /topic
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> madcSPYnX: Don't ask to ask an question, just ask it! If someone knows it, he will most likely respond :P
[14:01] <holstein> sometimes i cant read the whole thing in irssi
[14:02] <madcSPYnX> :) can i open my newly created encrypted file here in my ubuntu to a MS window
[14:03] <holstein> one easy way to find out
[14:04] <madcSPYnX> how
[14:04] <madcSPYnX> i don't have a mS window oS
[14:04] <holstein> lol
[14:04] <madcSPYnX> is it possible to open it in that os
[14:04] <holstein> madcSPYnX: whats the problem then?
[14:04] <holstein> you meant hypothetically?
[14:05]  * holstein shrugs
[14:05] <MrChrisDruif> holstein: He wants to know before trying xD
[14:05] <madcSPYnX> i want to encrypt my external HDD
[14:05] <madcSPYnX> :)
[14:05] <madcSPYnX> then i want to sure if i can open it to the dark side OS
[14:09] <madcSPYnX> hi
[14:09] <madcSPYnX> i want to that right now
[14:09] <madcSPYnX> can u help me
[14:09] <holstein> hey
[14:09] <madcSPYnX> is that ok to create encrypted fat32
[14:09] <holstein> madcSPYnX: is this relavant?
[14:09] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1667904
[14:09] <holstein> i was assuming lvm
[14:15] <madcSPYnX> i think it's not the same..
[14:16] <holstein> it = the encryption?
[14:17] <holstein> root@ :/ ...not ideal
[14:17] <holstein> oh well
[15:04] <madcSPYnX> how can i open my encrypted user to my root
[15:05] <holstein> hey again madcSPYnX
[15:06] <holstein> i was going to say, its probably not ideal to run chat as root
[15:06] <holstein> anyways, what is your question?
[15:06] <holstein> you have an encrypted user?
[15:07] <madcSPYnX> i know that but  i can't open my  user account
[15:07] <madcSPYnX> i want to access my user  home  folder
[15:07] <holstein> you can log in as that user
[15:08] <madcSPYnX> and transfer it to my root account
[15:08] <holstein> i dont do a lot of lvm myself
[15:08] <holstein> but its not supposed to be easy
[15:08] <holstein> i would think you would need to log in as the user in question
[15:09] <madcSPYnX> no i want  to  access my user's file through  my root
[15:09] <madcSPYnX> the file says encrypted-desktop
[15:10] <madcSPYnX> i want to access that  how can i decrypt it using my  root
[15:10] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[15:10] <holstein> maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedHomeFolder
[15:11] <holstein> "Normally fuse only allows access to the user who mounted an encrypted share; this is irrespective of the filesystem permissions. Because we used allow_root, the root user will be able to access your decrypted mount point"
[15:12] <madcSPYnX> hehehe i don't understand  that
[15:13] <madcSPYnX> what do u mean
[15:13] <holstein> madcSPYnX: i just copied that from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedHomeFolder
[15:13] <holstein> i would assume that a setting somewhere
[15:13] <holstein> allow_root
[15:14] <madcSPYnX> ok :)
[15:14] <madcSPYnX> ok tnx
[15:14] <holstein> i think its a little conterproductive though
[15:14] <madcSPYnX> what is better to use an altenate cd or desktop cd
[15:15] <holstein> you're asking 'dont let anyone but this user open this'
[15:15] <holstein> and if you cahnge that
[15:15] <holstein> then, anyone with a live CD and sudo can access it
[15:15] <holstein> and if you change*
[15:15] <madcSPYnX> i mess my system i want to reinstall it
[15:16] <holstein> it =?
[15:17] <holstein> the system?
[15:17] <holstein> with encrypted home?
[15:17] <holstein> you have a passphrase or something right?
[15:17] <madcSPYnX> yea i lost my passphrase :(
[15:18] <madcSPYnX> i have a passphrase but i lost it
[15:18] <holstein> madcSPYnX: stop dcc sending me as well please
[15:18] <madcSPYnX> ok sorry
[15:19] <holstein> madcSPYnX: lvm encryption?
[15:19] <madcSPYnX> what is better to use an alternate cd or a desktop ubuntu cd
[15:19] <madcSPYnX> i don't knoww
[15:20] <holstein> alternate CD's cannot be used live
[15:20] <madcSPYnX> ok
[15:20] <holstein> alternate CD has more options
[15:20] <madcSPYnX> i know
[15:20] <holstein> well, *different install options
[15:21] <holstein> madcSPYnX: you know what?
[15:21] <madcSPYnX> can that cd automatic connnect me  to a wifii
[15:21] <charliemac> Is it possible to have a seperate/unique primary partition for the ubuntu swap in stead of a logical partition under the same primary partition as the root?
[15:21] <holstein> madcSPYnX: depends on your hardware
[15:22] <holstein> might need a restricted driver for you wireless card
[15:22] <holstein> but, in theory, yes
[15:22] <madcSPYnX> ok
[15:23] <holstein> charliemac: i think you can specify swap where ever you need
[15:23] <holstein> i remember having swap on an external SD card once
[15:23] <holstein> i gave up on the idea thoug
[15:23] <holstein> h
[15:23] <charliemac> Ok, thanks!
[15:24] <madcSPYnX> is that alternate can install me a server and desktop at the same time?
[15:24] <madcSPYnX> like a debian installer
[15:24] <holstein> ubuntuserver = ubuntudesktop
[15:24] <holstein> so yes and no
[15:25] <holstein> you can run whatever servers you want that you would run on ubuntuserver
[15:25] <holstein> while running normal buntu
[15:25] <madcSPYnX> both
[15:25] <holstein> or, install gnome/kde or whatever on the server version
[15:26] <madcSPYnX> is that what u are saying is in the alternate cd or in desktop
[15:26] <holstein> both
[15:27] <holstein> everything is in the repositories anyways
[15:27] <madcSPYnX> ok
[15:27] <madcSPYnX> i want to install offline what should i use a dvd set or a cd
[15:28] <holstein> what do you want to end up with ?
[15:28] <holstein> the normal desktop live cd is a good place to start
[15:29] <madcSPYnX> a complete installion
[15:29] <madcSPYnX> like the  6 sets of dvd of debian
[15:30] <holstein> you can further define what you define as 'complete installation;
[15:30] <madcSPYnX> yyess
[15:30] <charliemac> Does the /Boot partition have to be primary, or can it be logical?
[15:30] <holstein> charliemac: that im not sure of
[15:30] <madcSPYnX> primary
[15:31] <madcSPYnX> and must be 100mb only
[15:46] <charliemac> What would the mount-point be for a windows/linux shared fat-32 shared space?
[16:00] <maR3> how can I get maven into eclipse by using apt-get? when I have user apt-get install eclipse maven2 I still cant find maven options in my eclipse program, anny suggestions? :)
[17:55] <UndiFineD> maR3: open up eclipse market from within eclipse
[19:02] <seidos> anyone know the chromium ppa by heart?
[19:02] <seidos> dang it, where's mettatron when i need him
[19:03] <holstein> seidos: google knows all
[19:03] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:03] <holstein> thats the daily one
[19:03] <holstein> be sure you get stable for testing if you prefer
[19:15] <vangelis_> hi! newbie with update problems.help plz..
[19:15] <holstein> vangelis_: what OS ?
[19:16] <vangelis_> ubuntu 10.10
[19:16] <holstein> whats the error?
[19:17] <vangelis_> when i try to update i get "failed to lock the package manager"
[19:17] <holstein> vangelis_: you got something else open?
[19:17] <holstein> synaptic?
[19:17] <vangelis_> nope
[19:17] <holstein> software center?
[19:17] <vangelis_> nope
[19:17] <holstein> vangelis_: close the update manager
[19:17] <holstein> and whatever else
[19:17] <holstein> open a terminal
[19:17] <holstein> do
[19:17] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:17] <holstein> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:17] <holstein> and see if you have any error messages
[19:22] <vangelis_> could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: resource temporarily unavailable) and unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[19:22] <philinux> vangelis_: close synaptic or update manage then try the terminal.
[19:23] <holstein> yeah, thats why you get that error
[19:23] <holstein> when something else is already running
[19:23] <philinux> vangelis_: I'd reboot and then try the above terminal commands.
[19:24] <vangelis_> again the same messages. ok i'll try reboot. brb!!
[19:36] <vangelis_> i'm back.the update asks for the disc labeled ubuntu 10.10 (..) but when i press enter it reshows the same message.. pff
[19:37] <holstein> vangelis_: next time you restart
[19:37] <holstein> try those commands
[19:37] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:37] <holstein> that asks for the packages to me updated
[19:37] <holstein> package cache
[19:38] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:38] <holstein> asks for the packages to actually be upgraded
[19:38] <vangelis_> that's what I did. it said 82% working and then it asked for a media change
[19:38] <holstein> OK
[19:38] <holstein> i would go into software sources
[19:38] <holstein> in the menu
[19:39] <holstein> and uncheck any boxes for cd media
[19:39] <holstein> you have somehow requested that a CD be used as a source
[19:42] <vangelis_> just did this and it popped again failed to lock the package manager. I did that? wow..
[19:43] <holstein> vangelis_: did this?
[19:43] <holstein> did what?
[19:43] <holstein> edited your sources?
[19:43] <holstein> its going to fail
[19:43] <holstein> because the other instance is still trying to get you to put a CD in
[19:43] <holstein> you can restart if you dont know how to kill it
[19:43] <holstein> restart
[19:44] <holstein> double check the software sources
[19:44] <holstein> update
[19:44] <holstein> OR dont update
[19:44] <vangelis_> untick "installable from cd"
[19:44] <holstein> vangelis_: untick anything relating to a source you dont have
[19:44] <holstein> any discs
[19:44] <holstein> OR put the disc in
[19:45] <holstein> you dont want to have to do that each time though
[19:46] <vangelis_> i have the disc in but it won't read it. so, let's summarize. untick sources i don't have-->restart--> try update again?
[19:46] <holstein> right
[19:46] <aveilleux> vangelis_: You don't need to reboot after changing software sources
[19:46] <holstein> you should just have the online sources
[19:46] <holstein> aveilleux: hey
[19:46] <aveilleux> hello holstein
[19:47] <holstein> the update manager is requesting the disc be put in
[19:47] <holstein> and is kicking up an error
[19:47] <vangelis_> ok, online services are ticked, so let's try updating again
[19:47] <holstein> and i have suggested that restarting would probably be the easiest way to get around that
[19:47] <holstein> after updating the sources
[19:47] <philinux> holstein: He must have the cd ticked under sources. Needs unticking
[19:48] <holstein> philinux: right
[19:48] <vangelis_> i have unticked them
[19:48] <holstein> vangelis_: restart and give it a try
[19:48] <holstein> should be fine now
[19:48] <vangelis_> ok, brb, thanks
[19:55] <vangelis_> holstein, you're my hero!
[20:19] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[20:20] <Dangr_> kristian-aalborg: hi
[20:21] <Geocosm> How do you make media stop showing up on the desktop when you plug it in? (like a USB stick)
[20:22] <kristian-aalborg> please let me know if this is considered "improper" to ask, but would someone know how to download embedded flv files from a web page?
[20:23] <Dangr_> kristian-aalborg: I'd use a plug-in
[20:23] <Dangr_> kristian-aalborg: Video DownloadHelper might work for you
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> Dangr_: it fails repeatedly
[20:24] <Dangr_> :-/ Its the only one I have used before. Sorry
[20:24] <kristian-aalborg> I'm thinking there might be a script to fetch the flv and then wget/curl it
[20:24] <Dangr_> Try Greasemonkey
[20:25] <Dangr_> You might be able to write a script or find one for it
[20:25] <Geocosm> I'm trying to install something with winetricks-alpha, does "fixme:" necessarily mean errors?
[20:25] <Geocosm> Earlier I was getting "err:" now I'm getting a lot of "fixme:"
[20:27] <kristian-aalborg> Geocosm: does the installation finish?
[20:27] <Geocosm> It's less than halfway through just now.
[20:29] <kristian-aalborg> try letting it finish and then run the program
[20:29] <kristian-aalborg> you might get some useful error messages
[20:38] <aveilleux> Geocosm: fixme messages tend to be bugs or omissions that the developer is aware of, and shouldn't be a problem.
[20:38] <Geocosm> Oh yay :)
[21:47] <bethdo97> help, I aam installing ubuntu on my son's vaio laptop on a brandnew hard drive and it doesn't seem to be working
[21:48] <holstein> bethdo97: what seems to be the trouble?
[21:48] <bioterror> laptop or the installation
[21:48] <holstein> how did ubuntu run on the vaio live?
[21:50] <bethdo97> when I reeboot the computer, instead of gettinng into the desktop like it says we should be getting it comes up to a terminal prompt
[21:51] <holstein> bethdo97: 10.10?
[21:51] <holstein> did you get to the desktop running the disc live?
[21:52] <bethdo97> I didn't get an option to boot to live that I remember.  Said because hard drivee was totally empty had to do full install
[21:52] <bethdo97> 10.10
[21:52] <holstein> nah
[21:52] <holstein> that aint right
[21:52] <holstein> you might need a proprietary driver
[21:52] <holstein> you can login there
[21:52] <holstein> and intstall what you need
[21:53] <holstein> i would try from the live CD some options
[21:53] <bioterror> terminal prompt
[21:53] <holstein> til i see desktop running
[21:53] <bioterror> you mean tty aka console
[21:53] <holstein> live CD doesnt care about the HD
[21:53] <holstein> you can have no hard drive at all and boot a live CD
[21:53] <holstein> IF you got the live CD
[21:54] <bioterror> I would rather check the model of the sony vaio and do some googling
[21:54] <holstein> bethdo97: maybe you got the alternate CD ?
[21:54] <holstein> bioterror: yeah
[21:54] <bioterror> in the first place
[21:54] <holstein> thats a good point ^^
[21:54] <bioterror> forums and launchpad
[21:55] <holstein> i bet its https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[21:55] <bioterror> I'm going to lay my trust on you holstein ;)
[21:55] <holstein> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:55] <holstein> bioterror: hehe
[21:56] <holstein> i was going to pin my hopes on you, and watch TV
[21:57] <bioterror> if you want to guess
[21:57] <bioterror> do lspci
[21:57] <bioterror> dont want
[22:01] <bethdo97> yes
[22:07] <bethdo97> i did lspci and it listed a bunch of stuff about drivers for various components No obvious errors that I can see
[22:08] <bethdo97> I know nothing about linux so please bear with me if I ask a bunch of questions.
[22:10] <holstein> bethdo97: lspci will tell you what hardware you have
[22:10] <holstein> and what i am proposing is that you have an nvidia or ati graphics card
[22:10] <holstein> that is not working properly without a proprietary driver
[22:10] <holstein> probaby nividia?
[22:11] <holstein> nvidia*
[22:11] <holstein> you could get the live CD back out
[22:11] <holstein> when you are at the first screen
[22:11] <holstein> hit F6
[22:11] <holstein> and there are options there
[22:11] <holstein> i believe the option is nomodeset
[22:12] <holstein> IF you get to the desktop by this method, this will help you trouble shoot the error
[22:12] <bethdo97> video controller: VGA compatible controller:Intel mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940ML Express Integrated graphics controller rev 03
[22:13] <holstein> drag, intel is usually out-of-the-box
[22:13] <holstein> so that doesnt not support my theory
[22:14] <holstein> does not*
[22:15] <holstein> bethdo97: i still think i would try and get to the desktop with the live cd
[22:15] <holstein> as a trouble-shooting step
[22:15] <geirha> Older intel cards have been working less and less since 8.10
[22:15] <holstein> geirha: interesting
[22:15] <holstein> geirha: is there a backport?
[22:15] <bethdo97> is there a way to fix it?
[22:15] <holstein> thats something bethdo97 could do easily
[22:16] <geirha> In particular because of the switch to dri2. The intel cards have support for that, but it had never actually been used ... so when it suddenly got used ... alot of hardware bugs where discovered
[22:16] <holstein> bethdo97: theres always a way to fix it :)
[22:16] <holstein> i would probably try a 10.04 live CD
[22:17] <geirha> I've given up on getting my laptop's intel card working on 10.04. I just use the vesa driver.
[22:17] <holstein> geirha: really?
[22:17] <holstein> too bad :/
[22:17] <holstein> geirha: how can bethdo97 force vesa at this point?
[22:17] <bethdo97> ok will download and retry.  Had someoone earlier suggest going to the netbook version instead of the desktop.
[22:17] <bethdo97> would you suggest that too
[22:17] <bioterror> holstein, sudo Xorg -configure, for the intel card?
[22:17] <holstein> bethdo97: nah, netbook wont matter
[22:18] <holstein> vesa will do it though
[22:18] <holstein> IF this is a graphics issue
[22:18] <holstein> and it sure seems like it is
[22:18] <holstein> you can always make a custom xorg.conf i suppose
[22:18] <holstein> geirha: is that how you do it?
[22:19] <geirha> holstein: I just wrote xorg.conf from scratch
[22:19] <holstein> bethdo97: thats really not too difficult
[22:19] <holstein> in theory
[22:19] <geirha> Hm. Or no, I think there was a failsafe-xorg.conf left from a previous ubuntu release, I just used that.
[22:20] <holstein> bethdo97: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[22:20] <bethdo97> got a long list of video drivers
[22:20] <geirha> I think the wiki has a page on intel cards in particular
[22:20] <holstein> like bioterror says sudo Xorg -configure
[22:21] <geirha> !intel
[22:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information.
[22:21] <holstein> then, you can edit that file and force the vesa driver
[22:21] <bioterror> I've got only bad experiences with vesa nowdays
[22:21] <geirha> Hm. No that's not the page I was thinking of.
[22:21] <bioterror> :/
[22:22] <holstein> i havent needed it since the openchome driver started mostly working for me :)
[22:23] <geirha> Oh, I just looked at that xorg.conf now. It's using fbdev. Could've swore it said vesa earlier.
[22:23] <geirha> But it's running stable with either.
[22:24] <geirha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[22:25] <bethdo97> do I need to try and download the over 200 updates & securiity things it shows are needed?
[22:25] <holstein> hmmm
[22:25] <holstein> bethdo97: i probably would
[22:25] <holstein> maybe an update'll fix something
[22:25] <holstein> probably not though
[22:28] <bethdo97> no kernel mode setting driver detected is the only error I see
[22:44] <bethdo97> when I try to do updates I get  a something wicked happened resolving us.archive.ubuntu.com:http (-5- No addresses associated with host name) error
[22:45] <bethdo97> what does this mean
[22:47] <bethdo97> what does this mean's
[22:54] <bethdo97> it seems to be downloading a bunch of stuff
[22:54] <bethdo97> will it install automatically when it gets done?
[23:36] <poloFR> hello
[23:48] <Roydaman2> ok gotta good question for someone who has a minute to help out i just got an 8gig 4th gen itouch and only have zorin (ubuntu 10.06 i think) how do i get into the ipod to put the apps from my old one on this one?? i saved them through windows a while back at a friends
[23:48] <Roydaman2> and have them on a flash drive but i dunno what program he had
[23:53] <jon8> i accidently created a file called -test.tgz ------ Doing rm -rf '\-test.tgz' .. rm -rf "\-test.tgz" ... can't get this file removed.
[23:59] <johnny77> If I was choosing a Office suite would it be better to pick OpenOffice or LibreOffice? I know Libre is a fork of Open, but what is the direction each is heading?