[02:11] <nigelb> charlie-tca: congrats!
[02:11] <charlie-tca> thanks, nigelb
[02:11] <nigelb> :)
[02:47] <c2tarun> Can anyone please help me with bug 691482
[02:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691482 in brasero "Brasero Disc Burner > wrongly named" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691482
[02:50] <persia> c2tarun, What sort of help do you seek with that bug?
[02:51] <c2tarun> persia: That is a simple bug i guess, I just want to know that looking for "CD/DVD Creator" in the source code and replacing it with "Brasero CD/DVD Creator" will do the job or not?
[02:52] <persia> If you just want to change the menu entry, you'd just need to adjust the .desktop file.
[02:52] <persia> That ought also adjust the representation in Software Centre
[02:52] <persia> If you need to change more, it would be deeper.
[02:53] <persia> That said, firstly, be sure you're compliant with the GNOME HIG if you are making that class of change.
[02:53] <persia> And secondly, you want to balance the presentation to the user with the desire on the part of the software authors to have distinct branding.
[02:53] <persia> if you remove all branding enough that the software authors are unhappy, they may no longer be motivated to maintain the software.
[02:54] <c2tarun> persia: sorry but I am new, I am not getting what do you mean by branding?
[02:54] <c2tarun> and balance
[02:54] <ikt> brasero is the branding
[02:55] <ikt> if you remove the name of the program, the people who work on the software might not be happy
[02:55] <c2tarun> actually the bug is to introduce a branding, and that is what I am trying to do... :(
[02:56] <persia> Just be careful not to apply the Brasero brand to anything not distributed by the Brasero team.
[02:58] <c2tarun> persia: I am very sorry I am not getting what u are trying to explain. the whole application is built by Brasero right? And then fixing the bug means introducing a branding, if we'll not introduce a branding how can we fix the bug?
[03:02] <persia> That's the tricky part, that needs some investigation.
[03:02] <persia> If all the code for all the places you want to make consistent comes from the same project, then it's easy, and just fix it.
[03:02] <persia> If the code comes from several different projects, you may find it a bit trickier to find a solution that is acceptable to the developers of all the projects.
[03:03] <c2tarun> persia: how can we check that?
[03:04] <persia> Well, firstly find out which programs are running for each interface that concerns you.  There are lots of ways to do this: the one I like is to use lsw from suckless-tools to see what I have running.
[03:04] <persia> Then check which packages provide the programs that are running (at least one is Brasero).
[03:05] <persia> If everything is really in one package, then it's just a matter of discussing it with the Brasero folk.  If it isn't in one package, you'll need to try to sort through the history to find out why not, and what might be done to have a unified project provide the suite of tools.
[03:06] <persia> The code change is trivial, but the bug may be complicated: needs some investigation, and then likely needs some discussion on one or more mailing lists (which ones depend on the output of the investigation)
[03:07] <c2tarun> persia: ok let me install the suckless-tools and give it a try, :) Thanks
[03:09] <c2tarun> persia: I installed suckless-tools but there is no documentation with it, I mean no o/p on 'man lsw' or 'man suckless-tools'
[03:10] <persia> c2tarun, apt-cache show suckless-tools will explain the tools briefly (yes, the documentation is bad).
[03:10] <persia> lsw just gives a list of all the windows currently open
[03:12] <c2tarun> persia: so I should open brasero and then run lsw?
[03:12] <persia> My read of the bug is that there are several interfaces that have inconsistent names.
[03:12] <persia> Running each can help you find out what is running them.
[03:13] <c2tarun> persia: sorry, what do you mean by running each? how can we do that?
[03:14] <persia> I have no idea :)
[03:14]  * persia doesn't have a working optical drive on any of the devices on which a GUI is installed currently
[03:15] <c2tarun> persia: Can you tell me how can i check several interfaces of some other application, like empathy.
[03:16]  * persia doesn't use empathy.
[03:17] <c2tarun> ok, anyway thanks a lot :)
[03:17] <persia> So, theoretically, just launch the differently branded interfaces however they would be normally launched.
[03:17] <persia> And then look to see what program is running them
[03:19] <c2tarun> persia: actually that is what I wanted to know, 'where to look?' :(
[03:20] <persia> Oh, in the lsw output
[03:25] <c2tarun> persia: view this please http://paste.ubuntu.com/559347/
[03:25] <c2tarun> persia: it is the diff between lsw before running brasero and after running braser
[03:26] <c2tarun> persia: I am very sorry to say that my laptop battery is critically low :( I had to go, I'll come back as soon as power supply will come
[03:27] <persia> I'm confused.  The difference is "Disc Burner".  I swear I was using lsw to determine what was actually running.  Hrm.
[03:27] <persia> I'm distracted by a few things right now, but I'll see if I can figure out what I should have told you to run to get the package name from the window.
[03:27] <persia> (or maybe someone else will say before I can figure it out)
[03:35] <tarun> persia: u there?
[03:36] <c2tarun> persia: ping
[03:37] <c2tarun> persia: ping
[03:37] <persia> Repeated pinging doesn't help that much.
[03:37] <c2tarun> sorry i thought that I was still not connected.
[03:38] <c2tarun> persia: you looked at the diff file?
[03:39] <persia> I didn't, I'm doing a few other things just now (see earlier note about distraction)
[03:39] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage may help in the meantime
[03:39] <persia> I'll take a look at it in a bit
[03:40] <c2tarun> persia: I dont know how to see earlier note :( anyway thanks for the wiki page, i'll go through it
[03:46] <persia> c2tarun, I don't see a diff file at https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/691482
[03:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691482 in brasero "Brasero Disc Burner > wrongly named" [Undecided,New]
[03:48] <c2tarun> actually diff was not on that page, it was a paste bin link i posted on this channel, please check some earlier posts
[03:51] <persia> Oh, the diff between the two lsw runs?
[03:52] <persia> Yeah, I responded with " I'm confused.  The difference is "Disc Burner".  I swear I was using lsw to determine what was actually running.  Hrm." and "I'm distracted by a few things right now, but I'll see if I can figure out what I should have told you to run to get the package name from the window."
[03:54] <c2tarun> persia: you told that i have to look the output of lsw. So i ran a simple lsw and then started brasero and ran lsw again, so that i can get the name of all the applications started with brasero. the diff file is the diff between those two lsw outputs
[03:55] <persia> Indeed, and I apparently misremembered
[03:55] <c2tarun> persia: ok so by looking at that diff can we tell the applications with brasero?
[03:57] <persia> Aha!  `xprop | grep CLASS` then click on the window
[03:59] <c2tarun> i got the ouput `WM_CLASS(STRING) = "brasero", "Brasero"`
[03:59] <persia> Excellent.  That's Brasero then.
[04:00] <persia> Do you get the same output from the other interface?
[04:00] <c2tarun> other interface means?
[04:01] <persia> The bug talks about "not using full brasero".  Is that not a different interface?
[04:04] <c2tarun> persia: in the bug full brasero means just a part of complete application, a part which burns CD/DVD. (I guess)
[04:06] <c2tarun> persia: and since the whole application is built by brasero and we are also using the same branding, that shouldn't be a problem.
[04:07] <persia> I think I don't really understand the bug then.  Sorry.
[04:08] <c2tarun> persia: hmmm..... ok Thanks for your help :) I'll ask the problem in my mentoring group :) Thanks once again
[04:09] <persia> Good luck!
[19:44] <trinikrono> micahg: ping
[19:47] <micahg>  trinikrono: pong
[19:48] <trinikrono> hello there micahg did you get to look at what we where discussing last time bug 601778
[19:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601778 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] 3Proxy - tiny free cross-platform proxy server" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601778
[19:48] <trinikrono> the packaging stuff
[19:49] <micahg> trinikrono: ah, no
[19:49] <trinikrono> :D
[21:55] <bdmurray> micahg: firefox's memory usage gets way out of hand for me.  How could I track this down?  It seems to be after opening tabs...
[21:56] <micahg> bdmurray: I'm having similar issues myself, chrisccoulson might have some ideas on how to track it down
[22:52] <jibel> bdmurray, re 709125 yes it is but I dont know which package is affected, and the test case is in the specs of software center.
[22:56] <bdmurray> jibel: it might even be another project of some sort
[22:58] <jibel> bdmurray, I really don't know, that's why I filed it here with the hope that the s-c team would redirect to the right project/people.
[23:37] <bdmurray> jibel: can you confirm the bug now?