[03:46] <KombuchaKip> For those who missed it, but would like to catch it: http://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2011
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[20:18] <joeoshawa> hello anyone here
[20:19] <dscassel> Hi joeoshawa.
[20:19] <dscassel> What's up?
[20:20] <joeoshawa> hello sorry to just drop in but i got an ignorant comment in the ubuntu channel and i saw canada so i figuredi would check you out
[20:20] <joeoshawa> ignorant from an op
[20:20] <joeoshawa> anyway
[20:21] <joeoshawa> so what is this team about what do you do
[20:21] <dscassel> No worries. :)
[20:22] <dscassel> We're the Ubuntu Canada LoCo team.  Mostly we coordinate activities and events across Canada (in a decentralized sort of way)
[20:22] <joeoshawa> well i try to help some people out with what i know (isn't much really) while i get help with what i need you know
[20:22] <joeoshawa> cool
[20:22] <joeoshawa> i didnt' know ubuntu had events
[20:22] <joeoshawa> great idea
[20:22] <joeoshawa> although not new i am sure
[20:24] <dscassel> Yeah.  Release parties, "jams" where people get together to contribute and regular meetups called Ubuntu Hours.
[20:24] <dscassel> And anything else people want to do.
[20:24] <joeoshawa> awsome
[20:24] <dscassel> Right now there are groups running events regularly in Waterloo, Toronto and Ottawa.
[20:25] <joeoshawa> excellent thats good to know i have actually been asked if ubuntu does that and i didnt know
[20:25] <joeoshawa> i kinda try to convert people who have problems to ubuntu
[20:25] <joeoshawa> problems with windows
[20:25] <dscassel> Awesome. :)
[20:26] <joeoshawa> i got a lot of people to switch
[20:26] <joeoshawa> over 200 at this point
[20:26] <dscassel> That's... impressive. :)
[20:26] <joeoshawa> it really is a perfect distro for people who don't want to play games or do it on xbox or ps3
[20:27] <joeoshawa> well all i do really is get them to use it once they boot it up and try it thats all they want to use
[20:28] <joeoshawa> actually my ex never had a computer and never really used one so when she wanted to i showed her ubuntu and windows 7 she hates windows and only uses ubuntu
[20:29] <joeoshawa> she says windows is to hard to use
[20:29] <joeoshawa> its the software center mostly
[20:30] <joeoshawa> she wants something point click install
[20:31] <dscassel> I love software centre. :D
[20:31] <joeoshawa> same
[20:32] <joeoshawa> so you have a lot of public events?
[20:33] <dscassel> For a country the size of Canada, there should probably be more..
[20:34] <joeoshawa> hard to do i would imagine and not free
[20:35] <joeoshawa> i have been thinking of putting together and selling machines with ubuntu pre-installed with my brother
[20:35] <joeoshawa> he is more of an it person
[20:35] <dscassel> (sorry, day job... biab...)
[20:35] <joeoshawa> cool
[20:37] <dscassel> Back!
[20:37] <dscassel> Not free, but not really that much trouble, either. I do it because I like it.
[20:37] <dscassel> I run things in Kitchener-Waterloo.
[20:38] <joeoshawa> nice i like the area
[20:38] <dscassel> The release party is pretty much all me. And I organize the monthly Hour meetup too.  I get some help with the global jam, though.
[20:38] <joeoshawa> its not bad here but i am in an area with alot of older people
[20:38] <joeoshawa> nice
[20:38] <dscassel> There's on guy in Oshawa on our mailing list (Tek Ang) who was interested in doing stuff.
[20:39] <dscassel> assuming you're in Oshawa... :)
[20:39] <joeoshawa> you know anything about 11.04
[20:39] <joeoshawa> yeah i am lol
[20:39] <dscassel> Event-wise, you mean?
[20:39] <joeoshawa> wonder if it will be alot different
[20:39] <dscassel> Yeah. Unity.
[20:39] <dscassel> Completely new desktop interface.
[20:40] <joeoshawa> i only started with 9.04
[20:40] <joeoshawa> oww
[20:40] <joeoshawa> wow
[20:40] <dscassel> Yeah, I know.
[20:40] <joeoshawa> never checked it out
[20:40] <dscassel> But! it's not hard to go back to the old gnome2 session.
[20:40] <joeoshawa> might be better have to see
[20:40] <dscassel> Considering that gnome is moving to gnome shell, we were going to end up with a completely new desktop at some point anyway.
[20:41] <joeoshawa> i liked enlightenment but it makes my destop go nuts thanks to gnome
[20:41] <dscassel> I think Unity will probably be more "regular" user friendly.
[20:41] <dscassel> ...eventually...
[20:41] <joeoshawa> my ex better stick with 10.10 she will lose it lol
[20:42] <dscassel> I'd upgrade (because 10.10 isn't an LTS), but switch her back to using the old gnome2-session.
[20:43] <joeoshawa> may have to her computer won't do 10.04
[20:43] <joeoshawa> hardware problem
[20:43] <joeoshawa> it was fixed in 10.10
[20:44] <joeoshawa> i am going to stick with 10.10 for a bit i just managed to get my login changed
[20:44] <dscassel> Yeah.
[20:45] <joeoshawa> i got a big blue dragon
[20:45] <joeoshawa> black on red for the login part
[20:46] <joeoshawa> brb need water
[20:47] <joeoshawa> back gonna check out info on unity
[20:49] <dscassel> Cool. :)
[20:49] <dscassel> Yeah, my gf isn't going to be impressed by Unity, I know already. I've been trying to tell her it'll be trivial to switch back.
[20:50] <dscassel> I'm looking at it as a positive long-term change with associated short-term horribleness.
[20:51] <dscassel> But there's a good chance I'll switch to gnome-shell.  At least on my desktop.
[21:00] <joeoshawa> actually i am not big on the whole gnome thing i didn't like that they took the ability to change your login out it seems like a microsoft thing to do
[21:01] <joeoshawa> my ex just wants the way she uses her computer to stay the same so she doesn't have to relearn all over again
[21:02] <joeoshawa> personally i probably will put both on and dual boot
[21:03] <joeoshawa> i set up a debian fluxbox rox combo for my daughter and talk about an easy desktop
[21:04] <joeoshawa> its a 500 mhz pentium with 640k ram and its great fast and the icons are huge lol
[21:04] <joeoshawa> disney princess background on the login and the desktop and the webbrowser is all cartoons
[21:18] <dscassel> My gf complained about gdm2 being less customizable too.
[21:18] <dscassel> I don't think it's a big effort to screw users and remove customizability...
[21:18] <dscassel> It's just customizability is a lower-priority feature.
[21:18] <dscassel> Someone has to do the work.
[21:20] <dscassel> That said, Ubuntu (with its Ayatana project) is moving to either remove or hide customization options.
[21:21] <dscassel> Because they're confusing to new users.
[21:32] <joeoshawa> well the thing i like about linux is there's always a way around lol
[21:33] <dscassel> Definitely. :)
[21:34] <joeoshawa> its funny alot of people try to push the existing kiddy distros for my daughters cpu but for me it was about i am not buying my 4 year old a computer so i needed something that works on really old hardware
[21:34] <joeoshawa> debian fluxrox was perfect
[21:34] <joeoshawa> in fact i have been using it myself lol
[21:35] <joeoshawa> but it has to be really really simple for a 2 year old and a 4 year old
[21:36] <joeoshawa> although the 4 year old figured out how to remove toolbars and change the theme to pink in ubuntu and the 2 year old can open amsn and chat with her uncle
[23:00] <joeoshawa> not sure if your still here but looks as tho ubuntu will still work the same unity is just on top of gnome
[23:52] <gpc> Tomas: why are you changing the topic?