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* marjo waves15:56
apwo/15:57
pitti\o15:57
* ara waves15:58
marjohi folks; let's get started on time15:59
jdstrando/15:59
marjo#startmeeting16:00
* barry is the cjwatson for the day :)16:00
MootBotMeeting started at 10:00. The chair is marjo.16:00
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marjoNatty Release Team Meeting16:00
Riddellhi16:00
marjoPlease use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait.16:00
marjo[Topic] Natty overview - marjo16:01
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marjoAgenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-01-2816:01
marjoAlpha-2 is next Thursday. 10.04.2 is due in just under three weeks.16:01
marjoMilestoned bugs for alpha2 can be found at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33572.16:02
zulhi16:02
marjoMost of the critical have been resolved, or retargetted to alpha 3, but there are some new ones that have cropped up, that are a bit concerning16:02
marjo(apport issues in particular - bug 705572)16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705572 in apport (Ubuntu Natty) "retracer attaching incomplete backtrace" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70557216:02
marjoany questions?16:02
marjo..16:02
pittiI still need to look into that one, it's on the desktop report16:03
marjopitti: thx16:03
marjo[TOPIC] Action review16:03
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marjoskaet's action items are in progress.16:03
marjo# 2010/01/1416:04
marjo* [leads] please scrub bugs for those that are needed for alpha 2, vs. ok later, so we can focus list - IN PROGRESS16:04
marjoThe bug list has grown a lot (and a few may be misfiled on the WIKI), so please see how many can get closed for alpha2, and move the misfiled ones to where they belong.16:04
marjo# 2010/01/2116:04
marjo* [Riddell] clean up kubuntu-dev work items chart.16:04
marjoRiddell: do you have an update for us?16:04
RiddellI cleaned it up16:04
Riddellnot sure if the burndown chart has updated yet16:05
marjoRiddell: ok will mark it as done16:05
marjothx!16:05
Riddellthe  kubuntu-dev work items chart doesn't make much sense, none of the specs there are anything to do with kubuntu16:05
marjopitti: any thoughts on ^^^16:05
pittiKubuntu by and large uses a wiki page, so that chart isn't that useful indeed16:06
Riddellaye it's not a big problem, we just use the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo wiki page, but it gives a misleading view to others16:06
pittiI can remove it entirely if desired16:06
marjoRiddell, pitti: should we just get rid of it?16:06
Riddelllisting only Kubuntu/Todo would be handy16:07
Riddellmissing out the specs which happen to have some kubuntu people assigned bits of them is the issue16:07
marjoRiddell, pitti: ok, can you please discuss and make a recommendation?16:08
Riddellyes16:08
marjo[ACTION] Riddell to discuss with pitti what to do regarding Kubuntu work items chart and make recommendation16:09
MootBotACTION received:  Riddell to discuss with pitti what to do regarding Kubuntu work items chart and make recommendation16:09
marjo[TOPIC] QA team update - marjo16:09
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team update - marjo16:09
marjo * Natty Alpha 2 Work Items16:10
marjo http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html16:10
marjo On track; hggdh working on server work items16:10
marjozul, bdmurray: thx for finishing your work items16:10
marjo  * weekly testing status:16:10
marjo QA Dashboard16:10
marjo http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html16:10
marjoThere's a new metric that shows top 5 with new bugs over the last 7 days. The mean number is over all packages with new bugs, not just the top 5.16:10
marjoNote how linux, unity and software-center are in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics. That indicates that those packages should continue to be areas of focus for aggresive bug management.16:10
marjoPlease give us feedback on this metric's usefulness and format.16:10
marjo Desktop Automated Testing results16:11
marjohttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/16:11
marjoNote: 298 test cases in 2D mode and 244 in Unity mode16:11
MootBotLINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/16:11
marjo Server Automated Testing results16:11
marjo http://204.236.234.12/view/ISO-server-Natty/?16:11
marjo Recent failures were due to AMD64 server images not being available16:11
marjo cjwatson: Per your request, the d-i log is now included in the Build Artifacts.16:12
marjo Please see http://204.236.234.12/job/LTP-lite/55/artifact/55/test-results/ as an example.16:12
marjo ..16:12
marjoany questions for qa team?16:12
marjo[TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - victorp or ara16:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - victorp or ara16:13
arahello!16:13
araThe weekly testing report is available, as usual, at:16:13
ara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current16:13
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current16:13
araThis week you will notice that there are less targeted systems. We changed our approach and now we are aiming to obtain a good baseline of systems that are working correctly and are scheduled to be certified for 11.04. We will be adding new systems every week, once we have identified all of the potential issues with these ones.16:13
araFor servers, no major errors were found, and the untested systems are due to infrastructure issues that we will take care of.16:13
araFor clients, on the contrary, we found a major Xorg crasher during the installation of the Live CD. This was reported earlier this week by Mario Limoncello and Bryce took care of it, but, unfortunately, his patch does not seem to fix the issue, as we encountered a similar one in yesterday ISOs. We filed a new bug with new information and assigned it to Bryce:16:13
ara[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/70874416:13
araThe results that we got for clients were obtained using the Alternate CD.16:13
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/70874416:13
ubottuUbuntu bug 708744 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Xorg segfaults during installation process" [High,Triaged]16:13
ara..16:13
marjothx ara16:14
marjoany questions for the HW Cert team?16:14
marjo[TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand16:14
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jdstrandhi16:14
cjwatsonmarjo: yay, thank you16:14
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:15
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:15
jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:15
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:15
jdstrandNot a lot to report. This last week we have been very busy focusing on stable release updates and have also been fixing security issues in natty. We have no milestoned features or bugs for alpha-2.16:15
jdstrand..16:15
marjothx jdstrand16:15
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marjoyour team looks to be in good shape16:15
marjoany questions for security team?16:15
marjo[TOPIC] Kernel team update - apw16:16
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apwo/16:16
apwOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:16:16
apw[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:16
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html16:16
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:16
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:16
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html16:16
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:16
apwWe are heading to the end of natty-alpha-2 with most items closed out, two have been moved out to natty-alpha-3.  All of our pushed out items are listed with background on the overall status above (first link).  We are on the burn-down line for the first time in the milestone, YAY!  Overall burndown we are still below the line, so we are looking good overall.16:16
apwOf the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:16:16
apw#344878 ecryptfs long filename are not likely to make natty-alpha-2 and moves out, we will need to make a decision on disabling this shortly;16:16
apw#539467 SATA alpm is being disabled in userspace, upstream discussions are ongoing;16:17
apw#542660, #600453, and #681877 (all black screen issues) are waiting for a v2.6.38-rcN based kernel for testing, which is now available in the archive;16:17
apw#630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware;16:17
apw#636091 still waits testing by the reporter;16:17
apw#702090 looks to be an interaction with vesafb and is with upstream; and16:17
apw#702166 is unreproducible and now closed.16:17
apwThe other bugs seem to be non-kernel packages, status is recorded on our status page where available (first link above).16:17
apwFollowing a long period of instability the x86 suspend issues and some ARM display issues seem to be resolved.  We have therefore uploaded our first v2.6.38 based kernel, the main distro kernel is now at v2.6.38-rc2.  This is aimed for early testing and we are likely to upload a further kernel based on v2.6.38-rc3 on monday for natty-alpha-2.16:17
apw..16:17
marjothx apw16:17
marjoapw: re: #344878, when do you plan to make the decision "shortly"? before alpha3?16:18
apwwell i think we should make a decision by then, i suspect its release/server teams ultimate decision as to disposition though16:19
marjoapw: ack16:19
marjoany questions for kernel team?16:19
marjo[TOPIC] Foundations team update - barry16:19
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barry[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:20
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:20
barry[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:20
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:20
barrygood news: ratings and reviews has landed for s-c16:20
marjobarry: congrats to the team16:21
barryindeed, they've done some great stuff16:21
barryalso: we've fixed about a dozen bugs since the last update16:21
barrytwo usb-creator bugs fixes that were annoying lots of people16:21
barrypython27 transition is going well, main looks pretty good, we still have a few minor bugs open but nothing critical and progress is good16:21
barryupstart work is mostly done, waiting for scott's blessing16:22
Riddellpresumably python2.6 still expected to be in main for final?16:22
barryi think that's about it, though i could paste the bug statuses that cjwatson forwarded to me if anyone's interested.  or let me know if there's a specific bug you're interested in.16:23
barry..16:23
marjobarry: do you a response to Riddell's query?16:23
barryRiddell: that's still tbd.  some of us want it, some don't.  we have to decide soon though16:24
barryi'll take an action to get that decision run to ground16:24
marjobarry: re: upstart blessing from scott, do you expect to get it before next Monday?16:24
barrymarjo: jhunt_ ?16:25
marjo[ACTION] barry to drive decision re: python2.6 in main for final16:25
MootBotACTION received:  barry to drive decision re: python2.6 in main for final16:25
barrymarjo: i'll let you know when/if james responds to pvt query16:25
marjobarry: ack & thx16:26
marjoany questions for Foundations team?16:26
marjo[TOPIC] Server team update - zul or daviey16:26
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zulhi16:26
zul[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:26
zulHi, good progress was made in the past week on our Work Items. The trend line is looking good. This weeks highlights include:16:26
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:26
zul 16:26
zul* Cloud-init 0.6.0 was released on wednesday which fixed about 9 bugs and closed alot of work items.16:26
zul* Axis2c FTBFS isbe looked at today we will look at investigating uploading a newer version of axis2c.16:26
zul* Openstack went gamma today and will be expecting an upload to the archive later today.16:26
zul* We are waiting for a new upstream release for cluster-agents which fixes a couple of bashisms.16:26
zul* powernap 2.0 has been released and its looking really good, adds a "powersave" node and many more monitors.16:27
zul* mcollective has been packaged, it was a colloboration effort.16:27
zul...16:27
marjothx zul16:27
marjoany questions for the Server team?16:27
marjo[TOPIC] Desktop team update - pitti or seb12816:28
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti or seb12816:28
pittiBlueprint implementation:16:28
pitti- On track for entire cycle16:28
pitti- Moved some noncritical WIs to alpha-3, so we are back on track for alpha-2 now. The remaining alpha2 WIs are mostly not code related and thus can happen during the freeze.16:28
pittiGeneral status:16:28
pitti- Major unity/compiz update landed on Thursday; another bunch is expected next Monday, to bring back a reasonably usable Places component back.16:28
pitti- New X.org stack is currently being landed, in time for alpha-2. It previously got tested in the xorg-edgers PPA, so it should not cause too much disruption.16:28
pitti- LibO caused quite some CD growth (libreoffice-core grew by 10 MB, calc+writer by 2.6 MB), plus extra libreoffice-filter-binfilter dependency which has been dropped again now; tomorrow's dailies should be back within size limit.16:28
pittiC bug status:16:28
pitti - We got a large number of new incoming ones, grinding through them now; nothing that totally breaks Alpha-2 yet.16:28
pitti - Details on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus16:28
pitti..16:28
pittithat should be "R"C bug status, of course16:28
barrymarjo: follow up on upstart: james doesn't know as scott is still settling into his new job.  one merge request outstanding, and he will ping scott for progress16:29
marjothx pitti16:29
marjobarry: thx for the update; i was just wondering as it relates to alpha2 next week16:30
barryack16:30
marjoany questions for Desktop team?16:30
marjo[TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:31
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:31
joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:31
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:31
joshuahooverdetails on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above16:31
joshuahooveri need to clean up our alpha 2 bugs...i'll be doing that today16:31
joshuahooverreleased new packages for u1-client, u1-control-panel and sso-login which include the latest and greatest work related to the UI (mostly control panel) and also bug fixes16:31
joshuahooverwork continues on unity integration, which includes the u1 launcher item and integrating notifications with the launcher item16:31
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joshuahooverthe resumable file uploads feature in syncdaemon was close to being ready for release until we hit a wall with resuming decompression of files this week..we're looking for alternatives to handle this right now...so we're behind on that by about 3 days16:32
joshuahooveroverall, we're still on target with new features...depending on what we find with resumable file uploads, we may need feature freeze exception, should know more by mid-next week16:32
joshuahooverand that's about it16:32
joshuahoover..16:32
marjojoshuahoover: re: unity integration work, anything expected for alpha2?16:33
joshuahoovermarjo: hopefully (is that vague enough?) :)16:33
dbarththe API landed this week in fact16:34
marjojoshuahoover, dbarth: ok16:34
joshuahooverdbarth: right, so that improves the chances :)16:34
dbarthso U1 would be our first client16:34
dbarthbut i wouldn't blame you for not integrating with it in just 3 days16:34
marjoany questions for Ubuntu One team?16:34
marjo[TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell16:35
MootBotNew Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell16:35
Riddellhi16:35
Riddell * KDE SC 4.6.0 is in and compiled, blocked on ARM by bug 70871416:35
Riddell * CDs building and no longer oversized16:35
Riddell * 13 bugs milestoned for alpha 2 http://goo.gl/yGhJd16:35
Riddell * bug 705915 and bug 705917 for ubiquity quite important for alpha 2 otherwise not alpha critical (besides ARM being broken)16:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 708714 in KDE Bindings "pykde fails to compile on ARM" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70871416:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705915 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde frontend layout breakage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70591516:35
Riddell * Some more green on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo16:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705917 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde frontend keyboard selector broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70591716:35
Riddell..16:35
marjothx Riddell16:36
marjoany questions for Kubuntu Team?16:36
marjo[TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth16:37
marjodbarth: Thank you for your team's number on closing bugs over the last week.16:37
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth16:37
dbarthhiya16:37
dbarththe weekly notes are up there as usual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus16:37
dbarthhighlights for the week:16:37
dbarthnew compiz, bamf and libunity weekly releases16:37
dbarthmore a11y enablement16:37
dbarthCompiz stacking issue 99% fixed, some minor issues remaining that are being worked on16:37
dbarthCompiz reparenting/gnome-panel/Flash plugin crashing issue fixed16:37
dbarthDash slipped until Monday due to two critical GLib bugs. Upstream informed, we are working on fixing/working around.16:37
dbarthNew libunity Launcher item API (emblems, progress and quicklists)16:37
dbarthSoundmenu: Playlists have landed with support for both Rhythmbox and Banshee.16:37
dbarthSoundmenu: Spotify is supported.16:37
dbarthDbusmenu: Moved the menu parser from appmenu-gtk to dbusmenu-gtk and removed it from libappindicator.16:38
dbarthPlaces daemons updated to work with new libunity.16:38
dbarthNo upload of indicator-network this week.16:38
dbarthAuto-pilot version of unity landing today.16:38
dbarthWith performance statistics counting.16:38
dbarthEn route to automated performance testing framework.16:38
dbarthFirst week of our Triage Pilot effort to have someone nominated from the team (together with Alex) to have a daily check on new and updated bugs.16:38
dbarth(sorry if that looks a bit "blocky")16:38
dbarththe big thing is that the compiz bug with menus is FIXE! smpillaz rocks!16:39
dbarthand we have a nasty last minute blocker for the places, down into glib16:39
marjodbarth: busy week for your team16:39
pittiI'm running it here and didn't get it any more indeed \o/16:39
dbarthtrying hard to save places for a216:39
pitti(it now breaks focus behaviour, though)16:39
dbarthfocus of?16:40
pitti(can discuss off-meeting)16:40
dbarthah focus at the wm level16:40
pittibut it's a great improvement16:40
dbarthahem, yes ;)16:40
marjoany questions for DX Team?16:41
ScottKdbarth: Is bug 707458 on your radar?16:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 707458 in libindicate-qt (Ubuntu Natty) "needs to be updated for the libindicate abi changes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70745816:41
dbarthnot at the top of it, but yes16:42
dbarthi'm hit by hit everyday (using konversation)16:42
dbarthby it16:42
dbarthneed to get agateau back on that16:42
ScottKOK.  Thanks.16:42
dbarthhe's been distracted by this renegade unity project ;016:42
marjoany more questions for DX Team?16:43
marjo[TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra16:43
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - ogra16:43
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ograStatus is at:16:43
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:43
ogra..16:43
ograSummary:16:43
ogra * Unity-2d MIRs are filed minor glitches found by the MIR team are being worked on, if we can find a fix for 705689 in time before A2 we will have it on the images.16:43
ogra * Kernel is still 2.6.35 for OMAP 4, TI works hand in hand with linaro now to provide us a 2.6.38 tree, approximately ready for A316:43
ogra * Kernel for OMAP 3 bumped to 2.6.38 now and also saw some DVI fixes by rsalveti16:43
ogra * WI work is well going forward16:43
ogra * Maverick kernel SRU testing is still in progress16:43
ogra * The new unity-places API is supposed to work on natty with unity-2d (testing still pending, the most recent unity-2d upload re-enabled it.16:43
ogra * Code for the minimal preinstalled developer images landed in livecd-rootfs (debian-cd changes to come soon) thanks to janimo16:43
ogra..16:44
ograSpecs:16:44
ograEntire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html16:44
ograMilestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html16:44
ogra..16:44
ograSerious Bugs:16:44
ograbug 70568916:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705689 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) "unity-2d-launcher crashes with segfault error on armel (natty only)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70568916:44
marjoogra: can you please elaborate on " * Maverick kernel SRU testing is still in progress"?16:44
pittithey are all in -updates AFAIK16:45
ograrightm but not all tested yet16:45
pittithere's one more in the kernel PPA16:45
ograand we wlao often clash with security uploads16:45
ograwhich force the SRU out of -updates16:45
marjoogra: understood16:46
ograGruemasetr often has to test twice or three times16:46
ograso its an ongoing process16:46
marjoany questions for ARM team?16:46
marjo[TOPIC] MOTU team update - ScottK16:47
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK16:47
ScottKNothing particularly new to report.16:47
ScottKWorking on NBS and various transitions.16:47
ScottK..16:49
marjothx ScottK16:49
marjoany questions for MOTU Team?16:49
marjo[TOPIC] Linaro update - JamieBennett16:50
MootBotNew Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett16:50
marjoJamieBennett ?16:51
marjoanybody representing the Linaro Team today?16:52
marjouh oh...16:52
marjo[TOPIC] AOB16:52
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB16:52
marjogoing once16:53
marjogoing twice16:53
marjolast chance for JamieBennett16:53
marjoThanks to ara, jdstrand, apw, barry, zul, pitti, joshuahoover, Riddell, dbarth, ogra, ScottK for a useful and effective meeting.16:54
pittithanks everyone!16:54
joshuahooverthank you marjo!16:54
marjothx all!16:54
marjo#endmeeting16:54
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:54.16:54
barrythanks marjo!16:54
apwmarjo, thanks ...16:54
jdstrandthanks marjo16:56
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