[02:29] <rww> niles is doing a good job of being slightly wrong about a lot of things :\
[02:32] <Madpilot> rww, which channel?
[02:32] <rww> #ubuntu
[02:33] <rww> It's PM time, I think. I can't think of a legitimate way one could think 'xeyes' is a screencasting tool.
[02:33]  * rww does so
[02:33] <Madpilot> yeah, just found him.
[02:39] <rww> claims to be 12 years old and entirely innocent. I vaguely remember Nickserv being limited to >= 13 year olds, but I don't care enough to do something about it.
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> rww: For servers within the United States, under COPPA, yes.
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> (and since it's all mirrored, that means all servers)
[02:41] <marienz> technically nickserv data is just on the system running services, not on every ircd system, but yeah
[02:56] <jrib> brilliant
[04:22] <rww> BT is an exercise in patience right now :(
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> rww: Man, you have no IDEA.  It used to be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse.
[04:30] <rww> I do, I remember the complaining ;P
[04:34] <Tm_T> morning all
[05:15] <rww> someone suggested apt-get dist-upgrade in #ubuntu for a valid reason. i suspect the end times are upon us
[05:34]  * mneptok runs a dist-upgrade every day
[06:21] <Tm_T> I run daily-upgrade ~every day
[06:21] <Tm_T> rww: but nah, that happens occasionally
[11:08] <bazhang> its-me-again = meowbuntu?
[11:11] <bazhang>  its-me-again (~its-me-ag@60.234.143.108)
[11:51] <bazhang> that's odd; the BT lists him/her as banned with the exact same IP address yet they got in nonetheless
[12:10] <jussi> bazhang: check the banlist, it may have been removed in ubottu's absence
[12:10] <bazhang> jussi, okay, will do
[12:10] <bazhang> thanks
[12:15] <popey> !pm
[12:16] <popey> hmmm
[14:00] <Pici> #ubuntu looks 'fun' this morning
[14:37] <bazhang> congrats charlie-tca
[14:37] <bazhang> :)
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Thank you, bazhang.
[14:54] <bazhang> gunndawg appears to be wasting people's time
[14:55] <elky> someone with "dawg" in their nick is wasting time? Say it isn't so...
[14:57] <gpc> elky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex3rFlSr33I
[14:58] <elky> gpc, hi, i'd rather not wake the person on the other side of this hotel wall
[14:58] <gpc> you don't need to turn it all the way up :)
[14:58] <gpc> unless you really like the song
[15:01] <elky> oh. i thought there was actual information involved.
[15:04] <gpc> information? this early in the day, HA
[15:07] <Pici> Is it a full moon?
[15:08] <bazhang> he's in windows claiming to used linux for many years, and ignoring repeated attempts at help in #ubuntu
[15:08] <ikonia> bazhang: exactly
[15:12]  * genii-around makes a pot of coffee
[15:13] <gpc> 2 sugars and lactose free milk please
[15:15]  * genii-around slides gpc a 2 sugar-lactose free milk mug of strong coffee
[15:15]  * gpc sips
[15:34] <bazhang> martian defending using lmgtfy.com in PM refuses to join here. he has been asked several times not to do it again.
[15:35] <genii-around> Is that some proxy server?
[15:35] <ikonia> he's been warned, thats enough
[15:36] <genii-around> Ah, nvm
[15:36] <topyli> i have eternal quieted and in pm now. no response yet
[15:37] <bazhang> death threats in #ubuntu
[15:37] <ikonia> ?
[15:37] <ikonia> where
[15:37] <ikonia> ahhh topyli's talking to him
 ubuntu users are so stupid. we need to kill them right now. they are crap
[15:38] <bazhang> just now in #ubuntu
[15:38] <ikonia> yes, I saw it, topyli's on the case
[15:38] <bazhang> thought you opped to boot them
[15:38] <topyli> thanks bazhang, i didn't see #ubuntu
[15:38] <ikonia> no, martin, forwarded him here, it is acceptable end of discussion, nope, it's not
[15:39] <bazhang> topyli, I just +q eternal
[15:39] <topyli> thanks
[15:39] <martian> Amazing. Kicked from a channel for using lmgtfy and then disagreeing with vigilante-joe over whether or not it is acceptable. NOT for doing it again, but for disagreeing with him in PM
[15:41] <martian> So, considering what it stands for, would it be equally unacceptable (Period.) if I were to say to someone, "okay, I will go do the search on your behalf I guess"?
[15:43] <Tm_T> I wouldn't like to see that kind of attitude at all, if that's what you're asking
[15:43] <ikonia> martian: I forwarded you here to explain to you that it's not really something we encourage, if you chose to google queries for him and give him valid results, that's great, but throwing an automated site at him isn't wlecome
[15:43] <ikonia> martian: I also forwarded you here as when someone was trying to explain to you it's not acceptable, you stated "it is acceptable, period"
[15:44] <ikonia> I didn't want to continue that approach in #ubuntu, hence forwarding you here
[15:44] <ikonia> so the short answer to your question is a.) no lmgtfy is not really acceptable b.) if you chose to google a query, check the results that are valid and recommend one, sure
[15:45] <ikonia> martian: if you're happy to accept that, I'll remove the ban and let you get back to using #ubuntu
[15:45] <martian> I still feel that it is acceptable. How about a link to the "I'm feeling lucky" search query? Linking to lmgtfy is meant to not only direct a person to their answer but teach them that answers are out there are are easy to find independentally
[15:46] <ikonia> martian: if you feel it is acceptable or not, is not up for debate, I'm stating the guidelines of the channels policy and usage
[15:46] <ikonia> martian: you can accept it and particpate, or not and don't,
[15:46] <martian> You can do whatever. I'm not going to use it as it's clear that you lot have decided it is a sin, but I still consider it absurd.
[15:47] <ikonia> martian: ok, so if I remove the banforward you'll agree to not point people at lmgtfy ?
[15:47] <martian> yes
[15:47] <ikonia> great
[15:47] <martian> Is there any reasoning behind the censorship?
[15:48] <ikonia> martian: I've removed the ban forward, you're welcome to leave this channel and return to #ubuntu
[15:48] <ikonia> martian: yes, it's the channels rules to not point people at random pages, which is what you are doing using lmgtfy
[15:48] <ikonia> hence why you are welcome to google for them, find an appropriate link and give it to them
[15:50] <martian> So linking to a search result is equally frowned upon?
[15:50] <ikonia> depends on context, someone asks for a load of themes, listing the search results is pretty reasonable, someone asking how to setup an ldap server, well, that's not a good idea to link to random pages
[15:50] <martian> Even in the case of lmgtfy with use of "I'm feeling lucky" and previous research into the search results?
[15:51] <ikonia> a little thought from the person linking can normally work out if this is safe generic or specific detail
[15:51] <ikonia> martian: no, I'm feeling lucky and lmgtfy is not acceptable
[15:51] <ikonia> let me make that %101 clear
[15:51] <martian> but clearly not for the reson you stated above :-/
[15:52] <ikonia> yes, for the reasons I've stated above, if you chose to accept them or not, is up to you. However, I've made you aware of the channels policy and you've agreed to follow them, so I think we are done
[15:54] <ikonia> I suspect fmax30 is not genuine, I've seen that ident before on a problem user (granted it's quite generic)
[15:58] <bazhang> !wastrel-#ubuntu-offtopic
[15:59] <gpc> and quits irc forever
[15:59] <bazhang> thought all the vanity factoids had be cleanzored
[15:59] <bazhang> err been
[16:00] <gpc> probably overlooked
[16:00] <topyli> maybe that was considered valuable information!
[16:01] <topyli> (or just missed, yeah. i don't know)
[16:01] <gpc> forget wastrel
[16:01] <Pici> Nevar
[16:01] <topyli> i can't :(
[16:02] <gpc> are Pici and topyli authorized bots?
[16:02]  * rww glares at gpc 
[16:02] <topyli> nah, we're just hard to ged rid of
[16:02] <rww> NEVAH FORGET
[16:03] <gpc> well if we aren't going to forget him then we should remember him properly
[16:03] <gpc> off to Ubuntu Hour.
[16:03] <Pici> Have fun
[16:04] <gpc> thank you
[17:13] <mneptok> i love how people discuss "free speech" and "censorship"
[17:14] <mneptok> no one said "you cannot recommend LMGTFY." we allow that channel input.
[17:14] <mneptok> but there may be consequences when you say it.
[17:15] <bazhang> yeah. I'm not fully convinced he accepted that.
[17:15] <bazhang> referring to it as "censorship"
[17:15] <mneptok> no one is stopping anyone from calling my wife names. but i will not be pleasant to deal with afterwards.
[17:16] <bazhang> bang!
[17:16] <bazhang> scary picture!
[17:16] <mneptok> free speech != say whatever you want wherever you want to whomever you want without ever any consequences
[17:17] <ikonia> he's not said it again, so no problem. If he does, he's been warned
[17:18] <topyli> mneptok: good analogy. i mostly use the "if you walk into my pub..." analogy
[17:18] <bazhang> ikonia, thanks for handling that earlier, by the way. I thought it best to step back under the circumstances.
[17:18] <topyli> you know, you can of course say whatever you want to the regulars :)
[17:26] <ikonia> no problem
[18:36]  * Pici rolls his eyes at jungli giving advice in #freenode
[19:24] <rww> thank goodness, someone uploaded an SRU to maverick-proposed to fix bug 690248
[19:29] <charlie-tca> yeah, that one seems to bother people
[19:30] <ikonia> is that really "high priority"
[19:33] <rww> fixing an SRU regression that's confusing the heck out of end users? should be, imho.
[19:33] <ikonia> I don't think it's high,
[19:33] <maco> in maverick? weird
[19:34] <mneptok> Ubut Abountu
[19:34] <rww> More interesting questions for me are "How closely can they be inspecting diffs if they missed this bug?" and "A one line fix is going to take over a month and a half to fix? Really?"
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Doesn't matter what it is marked as, if the devs don't consider it important, they will ignore it anyway
[19:39] <ikonia> the bug system in ubuntu is broke
[19:39] <gord> rww, seems like your vollunteering to get more involved with packaging and the motu!
[19:39] <maco> gord: motu cant fix it, else i would!
[19:40] <maco> need a core dev for that
[19:40] <charlie-tca> not broke, the developers look at the bug faster with aq higher importance. That doesn't mean they will stop to fix a minor issue
[19:40] <ikonia> charlie-tca: it is broke
[19:40] <charlie-tca> lsb_release -a gives the correct version
[19:40] <maco> ikonia: mostly understaffed, IMO
[19:40] <ikonia> maco: agreed, big issue
[19:41] <rww> gord: People have core competencies. The most efficient way to run a project is to have people do what they're good at, not what they complain about ;P
[19:41] <rww> For example, I am excellent at whining on IRC about everything. I fill this highly-necessary role very efficiently. I am credit to team.
[19:41] <gord> rww, open source is *built* on people complaining "this sucks, i'm making a better thing"
[19:42] <gord> "why doesn't this do x, it should! dang it, i'm just gonna make it do what i want, if anyone wants the code here it is"
[19:42] <gord> and yeah its not broke, its just, well you try dealing with eight billion new bugs a day (rough estimate)
[19:45] <maco> um thar bug says ogra fixed it 6h ago
[19:45] <rww> stop complaining about my complaining. metacomplaining is mc44's core competency.
[19:45] <maco> (or well uploaded the fix)
[19:46] <rww> maco: Indeed. I did mention this, before #ubuntu-ops got on the complain train.
[19:46] <ikonia> guilty
[19:47] <rww> gods, I am way too lazy to go find pisg's maintainers. can I just fork it and not tell anyone first, or would that be rude :(
[19:47] <joeoshawa>  hello  who do i talk to about a removal
[19:48] <ikonia> I removed you
[19:48] <joeoshawa> i realise that obviously a conflict of interest
[19:48] <ikonia> not at all
[19:48] <joeoshawa> you were being ignorant
[19:48] <ikonia> I asked you not to call people names, and you had a smart response, you where removed
[19:48] <joeoshawa> all i asked was how to remove a repo
[19:48] <ikonia> joeoshawa: yes, and I offered advice
[19:49] <joeoshawa> i did not call you a name
[19:49] <ikonia> you then started moaning
[19:49] <ikonia> joeoshawa> i will figure it out on my own then thanks snotty
[19:49] <joeoshawa> i was frustrated it happens
[19:49] <ikonia> yes, so now you're telling lies
[19:49] <joeoshawa> snotty is an attitude as i stated
[19:49] <ikonia> you called me a name less than 60 seconds ago
[19:49] <ikonia> "don't be snotty" would be to reference an attitude, thanks snotty is calling me snotty
[19:49] <ikonia> neither are acceptable
[19:49] <joeoshawa> you called me an  idiot
[19:50] <ikonia> no I didn't
[19:50] <ikonia> now you're telling more lies, so I'll exit this conversation now as I'm not wasting time with people who lie
[19:50] <joeoshawa> add an apt without knowing what your doing nice
[19:51] <joeoshawa> is that not what you said
[19:51] <maco> with the correct version of "you're", yes
[19:51] <maco> i don't see the word idiot being said by ikonia at all though
[19:51] <ikonia> joeoshawa: add an repo without knowing what you're doing.....nice
[19:51] <ikonia> that is the line I used
[19:51] <ikonia> after you berated ubuntu for not having a removal command
[19:51] <maco> (as i'm sure you realise, being unaware of how to do something and lacking intelligence are not the same thing)
[19:51] <ikonia> that's not clling you an idiot
[19:52] <ikonia> if I wanted to call you an idiot I would have said "joeoshawa don't be an idiot"
[19:52] <joeoshawa> sorry wrong way of putting it
[19:52] <ikonia> or you lied
[19:52] <joeoshawa> not a lie i do not lie
[19:52] <joeoshawa> ever
[19:52] <joeoshawa> i put it the wrong way there is a difference
[19:52] <ikonia> you lied about calling me a name, then you made up I called you an idiot, - lies
[19:53] <joeoshawa> i said you were being snotty
[19:53] <ikonia> maco: or one of the others can pickup your complaint
[19:53] <joeoshawa> i told you it was an attitude
[19:53] <maco> joeoshawa: using an adjective as a noun can easily transform it into name-calling
[19:54] <joeoshawa> not the way i intended it and then i repeated it is an attitude in the room
[19:54] <joeoshawa> and she was being snotty
[19:54] <joeoshawa> so where is the problem
[19:54] <joeoshawa> power trip
[19:55] <joeoshawa> you know i love ubuntu as an operating system and i have tried to help people as much as i have been helped but never have i been treated like that
[19:56] <joeoshawa> like i am not as good as that person
[19:56] <joeoshawa> and yesterday i got told maybe you should look for anoother operating system if you need technical assistance by the same person
[19:56] <ikonia> what ?
[19:56] <joeoshawa> last night
[19:57] <joeoshawa> am i talking to you
[19:57] <ikonia> when/what context
[19:57] <joeoshawa> your rude and ignorant i have nothing to say to you
[19:57] <joeoshawa> in regards to my isp
[19:57] <ikonia> ??
[19:57] <ikonia> I don't recall any conversation with you
[19:57] <joeoshawa> not important
[19:58] <joeoshawa> the point is your ignorant
[19:58] <ikonia> it is if you're using it as a refernce
[19:58] <joeoshawa> you think you are better then everyone else
[19:58] <ikonia> no I don't
[19:58] <joeoshawa> apparently so
[19:58] <joeoshawa> the way you spoke to me more then shows that
[19:59] <ikonia> joeoshawa: you asked for help, and then started critising ubuntu, when the reality of it was you where not sure of what you where doing
[19:59] <ikonia> you then turned to name calling (intended or not)
[19:59] <ikonia> you then came in here making stuff up
[19:59] <joeoshawa>  i critizised a program out of frustration
[19:59] <joeoshawa> and you left this up to someone else
[20:00] <joeoshawa> now its different
[20:00] <ikonia> ??
[20:00] <joeoshawa> convenient
[20:00] <ikonia> I'm sorry I don't understand what you're saying
[20:00] <joeoshawa> you said somone else can deal with your complaint did you noe
[20:00] <joeoshawa> not
[20:00] <ikonia> yes
[20:01] <joeoshawa> WELL
[20:01] <joeoshawa> your here
[20:01] <ikonia> I've only commented because you've started making other comments about conversations last night which I have no recollection of
[20:01] <joeoshawa> ok never mind it doesnt' matter
[20:02] <joeoshawa> i take it back if you dont' remember i do not terribly dissagree with that comment really it was not the point
[20:02] <joeoshawa> not that it matters to me really
[20:02] <ikonia> I have no idea what you're talking about,
[20:03] <joeoshawa> your rude and ignorant to people
[20:03] <joeoshawa> i made one comment and you lost your head and went on a power trip
[20:03] <gord> i'm sorry, but what are you expecint us to do joeoshawa?
[20:04] <gord> expecting*
[20:04] <joeoshawa> i just want to know how to remove one repo added by the add-apt command
[20:04] <joeoshawa> i cannot find it in the list
[20:05] <gord> this is not the place to find support for ubuntu, this is the irc ops channel, if you have no further bussiness with the ops we request you follow the topic and /part
[20:05] <joeoshawa> i am here because ikonia kicked me
[20:05] <Tm_T> shall I take this thru?
[20:06] <ikonia> you're not banned
[20:06] <joeoshawa> omg
[20:06] <joeoshawa> this is rediculus it said if you would like to take up the reason for your ban contact this channel or something like that
[20:06] <maco> joeoshawa: add-apt-repository puts it in separate files
[20:06] <maco> joeoshawa: just rm the file. the end.
[20:07] <joeoshawa> thank you may i ask where the file ends up
[20:07] <Tm_T> 2146.57 -!- joeoshawa was kicked from #ubuntu by ikonia [please visit #ubuntu-ops if you wish to discuss your removal]
[20:07] <Tm_T> joeoshawa: see, no ban mentioned
[20:07] <maco> type /etc/apt/sources.list and hit tab a few times. i think you can guess from there ;-)
[20:07] <joeoshawa> i wished to discuss my removal
[20:07] <joeoshawa> i did
[20:07] <ikonia> maco: its's in sources.d as I explained
[20:08] <maco> ikonia: sources.list.d isnt it?
[20:08] <maco> yes
[20:08] <ikonia> yes, that's it
[20:08] <maco> so sources.list<Tab><tab>
[20:08] <ikonia> but then the moaning about ubuntu started
[20:09] <joeoshawa> i made one comment and you kick me
[20:09] <ikonia> rww: I take it back someone else just asked about the natty name bug
[20:09] <joeoshawa> get a life
[20:09] <ikonia> joeoshawa: sheesh, you made one comment, I told you the truth, you started name calling, I kicked you
[20:09] <ikonia> sorry chaps, I just don't have the interest in dealing with people who blame the OS for their own failings
[20:10] <ikonia> and ladies of course
[20:10] <Tm_T> oh, I have no issue on dealing with fellows like this (:
[20:10] <maco> after you said its not even a ban i just went with "o fds, if i give the answer maybe they'll go away"
[20:10] <maco> (thats for duck's sake ;-) )
[20:10] <Tm_T> ):
[20:11] <ikonia> should have been more tollerant but moaning about ubuntu not doing something when he'd not even checked what he was doing or how to do it annoyed me
[20:12] <maco> Tm_T:  id be violating !language if i used the other uck word!
[20:14] <Pici> ~hrm
[20:27] <rww> ikonia: I made !version-bug a few days ago, if you want a factoid to give people.
[20:27] <ikonia> rww: thanks, I didn't realise it was messing people up as much as you suggested
[20:28] <Pici> I think we should make sure that lsb_release is showing the correct versions for people, or else we may get stuck giving support to people who really do have natty in #ubuntu.
[20:29] <rww> it does
[20:29] <ikonia> not unwise
[20:30] <Pici> rww: I know it does, but some people do accidentally upgrade to natty.
[20:30] <rww> sorry, parse error
[20:30] <maco> i parsed rww-way too
[21:07] <Pici> ...
[21:07] <rww> ...
[21:07] <rww> ...
[21:07] <rww> ...
[21:07] <Pici> rww: I laughed.
[21:07] <tonyyarusso> ssss?
[21:07] <Pici> tonyyarusso: are you speaking python?
[21:08] <tonyyarusso> Pici: No, Morse.
[21:08] <rww> What do you call a python programmer with a wand?
[21:08] <Pici> tonyyarusso: ahh
[21:08] <tonyyarusso> ... is s
[21:08] <rww> A parselmouth!
[21:08] <Pici> tonyyarusso: yes, I realize that ...---...
[21:08] <tonyyarusso> right
[21:08] <Pici> Just didn't get it at first.
[21:09] <tonyyarusso> hmm, it's after 3.  I should shower.
[21:09] <mneptok> -.. --- . ...   .- -. -.-- -... --- -.. -.--   -.- -. --- .-- ...   .-- .... . .-. .   .. ...   - .... .   -.-. ..- .-. .-. . -. -   .-- .--. .-   -.- . -.--   .. ...   ... - --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ..--..   .. ...   .. -   .. -.   - .... .   .-. --- ..- - . .-.   --- .-.   .. ...   .. -   .. -.   .-   -.. .- - .- -... .- -. -.-   --- ..-.   - .... .   .--. .-. --- ...- .. -.. . .-. ..--.. ..--.. ..--.. ..--..
[21:11] <rww> mneptok: hehe
[21:11] <Pici> I wonder what "the databank of the provider" is...
[21:11] <tonyyarusso> was that a question in #ubuntu or something?
[21:11] <rww> tonyyarusso: /lastlog Guest59435, note the timestamps
[21:12] <rww> tonyy<tab> hrm. never mind.
[21:13] <mneptok> "Databank of the Provider" sounds like a a Rush tune
[21:14] <gpc> Rush is the best band ever!
[21:14] <gpc> afternoons all!
[21:15] <Pici> oh, zewb is in #freenode... may want to keep an eye out in #ubuntu if he gets bored there.
[21:15] <mneptok> INVISIBLE AIRWAVES THAT CRACKLE WITH LIFE! BRIGHT ANTENNAE BRISTLE WITH MY PASSKEY!
[21:16] <rww> mneptok and Guest59435 are starting a technoreligion :(
[21:16]  * genii-around signs up
[21:16] <Pici> dooddledootydooodledoot
[21:17] <mneptok> i am sorry to have been made bad impression. please forget me. i-humble am never come Ubuntu again.
[21:17] <Pici> oh dear
[21:17] <gpc> alabd :/
[21:17]  * mneptok bursts into flames
[21:18] <rww> viva la technoreligion!
[21:18] <rww> (a religion with athiest monks in it!)
[21:19] <Pici> rww: don't you mean electric monks?
[21:19] <genii-around> And hopefully gadgets.
[21:19] <ikonia> mneptok: where was that
[21:19] <mneptok> ikonia: was wha'?
[21:19] <ikonia> alabd
[21:19] <Pici> I think that was from the voices in mneptok's head.
[21:20] <mneptok> having a tequila sunrise and playing dominoes on a beach in my subconscious.
[21:20] <mneptok> oh. as Pici said ...
[21:20] <ikonia> ooh, alabd was in freenode the other day and made a similar comment, or defocus
[21:20] <Pici> aww
[21:21] <Pici> I'm out for a bit.
[21:21] <gpc> laters
[21:22] <rww> Pici is psychic :(
[21:23]  * mneptok twitches
[21:30] <rww> http://rww.name/pisg/ops.html -> I'm the king of the ops channel!
[21:33] <gpc> the last stat is LOL
[21:33] <rww> I like "Poor Netsplit, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 1 times.", personally.
[21:33] <genii-around> Hehe: "The loudest one was rww, who yelled 16.2% of the time! Another old yeller was tsimpson, who shouted 15.8% of the time!"
[22:40] <jussi> rww: no, your not the king, you are the telemarketer - the one that speaks the most..........
[22:41] <jussi> hehe: jussi brings happiness to the world. 24.6% lines contained smiling faces. :)
[22:41] <jussi> then: jussi is a very aggressive person. They attacked others 1 times.
[22:44] <genii-around> Did you hit someone unpopular and make everyone happy?  ;)
[22:44] <rww> he hit netsplits, so yes!
[22:44] <genii-around> Hah!
[22:45] <jussi> netsplits :/
[22:48] <genii-around> Is .name some personal official reserved domain or so? This is the first I've seen it
[22:49] <rww> it's a generic TLD for people to register names, nicknames, etc.
[22:49] <genii-around> Interesting
[22:49] <rww> maco uses one too
[22:51] <maco> yep, im mackenzie.morgan.name
[22:53] <genii-around> I noticed a tracepath on stuff in .name goes straight to one of IANA boxes, I guess they are authoritive DNS on it
[22:53] <Tm_T> rww: you should generate stats from all the past 5-6 years too (:
[22:56] <Flannel> rww: I can zip up all of the logs for you if you'd like
[22:57] <rww> genii-around: I think Verisign manages it these days
[23:46] <bazhang> klined