[00:08] <Azelphur> popey: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/Janurary%202011/andshot.png call me when you can do this on iphone :D
[00:09] <hamitron> what is teh cheapest (decent) android phone now?
[00:09] <Azelphur> hamitron: I just told my mum to get a refurb off three for £15/mo
[00:09] <Azelphur> that's a dirt cheap contract deal
[00:09] <hamitron> per month :/
[00:09] <Azelphur> if you do get it you have to be ready to get your hands dirty in terms of rooting, samsung abandoned it.
[00:09] <Azelphur> hamitron: what do you want your phone to do?
[00:10] <hamitron> be handy if I can phone people
[00:10]  * brobostigon hugs his htc dream
[00:10] <hamitron> errr, also want something to "play" with
[00:10] <hamitron> cheap
[00:10] <hamitron> so i can void warrenty
[00:10] <hamitron> warranty*
[00:10] <Azelphur> so you want the next step up from the dream?
[00:10] <hamitron> bah, whatever
[00:11]  * hamitron shrugs
[00:11] <Azelphur> maybe take a look at the milestone
[00:11] <hamitron> oh, must have wifi
[00:11] <Azelphur> it's kinda old now but if you want cheap, it is the next step up from the G1
[00:11] <brobostigon> Azelphur: isnt thatthe nexus one?
[00:11] <Azelphur> myself, I love my HTC Desire Z
[00:11] <Azelphur> brobostigon: nope, it's a HTC Desire Z :D
[00:12] <hamitron> is a G1 ok?
[00:12] <brobostigon> Azelphur: oh,didnt know, researchneeded.
[00:12] <Azelphur> hamitron: sure, you've got it rooted and running android 2.2
[00:12] <Azelphur> if you don't find it too slow, then by all means stick with your G1
[00:12] <brobostigon> hamitron: lack on ram and internal meoeryreally, compared to whatyou get now.
[00:12] <Azelphur> I upgraded from G1 because I found it too painfully slow
[00:12] <Azelphur> the G2 is muuuuuuuch faster
[00:13] <hamitron> can you strip stuff off to make it run fast?
[00:13] <Azelphur> the G1? Not really
[00:13] <Azelphur> it's gonna be slow more or less what ever you do
[00:13] <brobostigon> hamitron: yes,definatly, :)
[00:13] <Azelphur> it was pretty slow when it was on android 1 xD
[00:13] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i disagree.
[00:13] <Azelphur> ok
[00:14] <hamitron> what is the going rate for a G1 now?
[00:14] <Azelphur> £90
[00:14] <hamitron> new?
[00:14] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i can get my htc dream,running almost as good as my mums galaxy spica.
[00:14] <Azelphur> used
[00:14] <hamitron> pffffft
[00:14] <Azelphur> brobostigon: that's what I want my mum to get, a spica :)
[00:14] <hamitron> £90 is above what I'm willing to pay
[00:14] <Azelphur> hamitron: I thought you already have a dream
[00:15] <hamitron> I had a nokia 5230
[00:15] <hamitron> now using a nokia ngage
[00:15] <Azelphur> I see :P
[00:15] <hamitron> least my phone has proper gaming controls ;)
[00:15] <brobostigon> Azelphur: it needs a major android upgrade, it still has 2.1, and the laucher majotly needs changing, it is a majot resourcee hog.
[00:16] <Azelphur> brobostigon: yea, I know it's still stuck on 1.5
[00:16] <Azelphur> but I can just reflash it there are roms for it
[00:16] <Azelphur> brobostigon: cheapest G1 I can see :p
[00:17] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i was going to put 2.2.1on my mums,but my mum didnt want me too, as it wouldmeanshe is in breach of contract.
[00:17] <Azelphur> brobostigon: yea, my mum is a lot more laid back with tech, she knows I know what I'm doing so just lets me get on with it :)
[00:17] <Azelphur> when she gets it she'll hand it to me and have me set it up nice for her, and off she'll go.
[00:18] <brobostigon> Azelphur: my mum believes the same, but still wont let me, she doesnt want to be inbreach of contract,
[00:18] <Azelphur> hamitron: if you want a G1 I might be able to sell you mine
[00:18] <Azelphur> brobostigon: xD
[00:18] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i have done a huge amount of tweking on mymums already,.
[00:18] <Azelphur> :)
[00:18] <Azelphur> I breached 3 different mobile contracts in the space of a month
[00:18] <Azelphur> breaching contract like a pro.
[00:19] <brobostigon> lol, :)
[00:19] <Azelphur> :D
[00:19] <Azelphur> Had t-mobile, tethered, they lowered cap to 500MB so I switched to 3, tethered, then popey linked giffgaff on twitter, so I switched to giffgaff, and tethered.
[00:19] <Azelphur> xD
[00:19] <Azelphur> going for the high score!
[00:20] <brobostigon> good night all, sleep well.
[00:20] <Azelphur> hamitron: if you want a G1 I may be interested in selling you mine
[00:20] <brobostigon> me tired.
[00:20] <Azelphur> then I can upgrade my brother
[00:20] <Azelphur> hamitron: It's in reasonably good condition too, it's had invisible shield on it since day 1 so no scratches :)
[00:23] <Azelphur> that said, buying a G1 is pointless now days, you can get a milestone for hardly anything more and they are astronomically faster.
[00:24] <zleap> cya
[00:28] <hamitron> Azelphur: well, if it is that pointless, it should drop in price the going rate
[00:28] <Azelphur> :)
[00:29] <hamitron> this is my thinking, wait till it is "useless" according to most people, then use it if I can
[00:29] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:30] <hamitron> part of me wants to get a N8
[00:30] <hamitron> or one of teh cheaper versions
[00:30]  * Azelphur refuses to buy phones without a keyboard
[00:31] <hamitron> well, I think my ideal phone would have no keyboard, but have an option to use a seperate keyboard and screen
[00:34] <Azelphur> :)
[00:34] <Azelphur> have you thought about an n900?
[00:34] <Azelphur> they are pretty cheap now and still cool
[01:03] <hamitron> Azelphur: my idea of cheap is below £100 ;/
[01:04] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[01:04] <Azelphur> hamitron: yea, so buy my G1 off me and I'll put a bit on top and get my brother a droid :D
[01:04] <Azelphur> (as long as my brothers interested)
[01:05] <pr0ph3t> is there a tool in ubuntu that helps finding out which websites are being visited by the computers connected to a home wifi network?
[01:05] <Azelphur> pr0ph3t: seems like a bad invasion of privacy :p
[01:05] <pr0ph3t> Azelphur, it's my home network :P
[01:06] <Azelphur> are you notifying the users that your doing it?
[01:06] <pr0ph3t> well of course
[01:06] <pr0ph3t> but they don't think I can
[01:07] <Azelphur> I'd do it at the router level
[01:07] <Azelphur> pr0ph3t: you could do it with wireshark
[01:07] <Azelphur> and a fancy filter.
[01:07] <pr0ph3t> I know how to block sites from the router
[01:08] <pr0ph3t> but it's more of a logging thing
[01:08] <pr0ph3t> so when if I'm told they are studying, I can actually check they are, from like a log file
[01:08] <Azelphur> pr0ph3t: so yea, tcpdump/wireshark maybe
[01:09] <Azelphur> pr0ph3t: why not just use a vnc server on the machine
[01:09] <Azelphur> far more effective / easy
[01:11] <pr0ph3t> Azelphur, that's intrusive though, I was just thinking I come back home, and check whether users have been on facebook all day or just a little bit etc.
[01:12] <Azelphur> hehe, not really any more intrusive than logging every website anyone has ever visited tbh
[01:12] <hamitron> G1 takes 2 sims?
[01:12] <Azelphur> hamitron: nope
[01:13] <Azelphur> pr0ph3t: personally, I'd work on a different approach though
[01:13] <Azelphur> I'm gonna go on one of my parenting rants now, xD
[01:13] <hamitron> N900 does?
[01:13] <Azelphur> hamitron: not afaik
[01:13] <Azelphur> if you do stuff like what your doing, your teaching your kid basically that they can get away with it as long as you don't notice
[01:13] <Azelphur> the way you should be doing it, is consequences if they mess up :)
[01:14] <Azelphur> don't get your homework done on time? firewall facebook for a week or something
[01:14] <Azelphur> far more effective
[01:15] <pr0ph3t> Azelphur, it's not that serious, I'm not into punishments etc, it ends up being more of a laugh and perhaps a challenge rather than a lesson for someone
[01:15] <Azelphur> ok :P
[01:15] <pr0ph3t> the only one that's gonna learn from it is me
[01:16] <Azelphur> then yea, break out the man tcpdump
[01:16] <Azelphur> or wireshark
[01:16] <pr0ph3t> wireshark works on wireless?
[01:16] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[01:16] <Azelphur> my router has tcpdump built in :D
[01:16] <Azelphur> but I only really use it for debugging purposes.
[01:18] <pr0ph3t> sorry, just the name suggests... never mind
[01:26] <Azelphur> o.O
[01:26] <hamitron> Azelphur: you know how to get the url filtering working on your router?
[01:27] <Azelphur> if I was going to do url filtering I'd probably use opendns
[01:27] <hamitron> yeh, that was my next plan
[07:44] <AlanBell> morning peeps
[07:45] <jacobw> morning
[08:25] <Myrtti> meh
[08:28] <DJones> Morning all
[08:29] <daubers> Morning
[08:31] <diplo> Morning
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:34] <Myrtti> I may need to buy The Oatmeal book
[08:40] <imexil> Morning. Has any of heard anything new about Skype's open source plans for the client. Looks like they completely dropped that idea :(
[08:48] <DJones> imexil: Which open source plans are you thinking of? I run Skype on ubuntu, not sure if you mean that, or them actually opensourcing skype itself
[08:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:48] <czajkowski> How have I no eggs :( this never happens
[08:48] <DJones> Morning czajkowski
[08:49]  * DJones points czajkowski at AlanBell 
[08:49] <imexil> DJones: Skype announced back in Sep 2009 that they are planning to open source the client code (probably since they have no interest/resources to keep the linux client up to date)
[08:50] <czajkowski> DJones: ello
[08:50] <kaushal> hi
[08:51]  * daubers locks himself away in his office
[08:51] <kaushal> I am running the command /usr/bin/mail -s "DNDList" kaushal@example.com < /home/kaushal/ttsl/dndmessage
[08:51] <kaushal> inside the /home/kaushal/ttsl/dndmessage message there is a content wherein date is mentioned it needs to be changed I mean i need to run it on Monday and Thursday
[08:51] <kaushal> please suggest
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: write a small script (in Perl or shell)
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> or use something like:
[08:52] <kaushal> so lets say i run this via a shell script the message should say "The File dated "Monday" is uploaded"
[08:52] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: hope it is clear to you
[08:54] <daubers> Gods damnit. I need to update libre office on the mac, and the download page doesn't offer me any friggin downloads
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: make a small shell script that does:
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> TODAY=`date +%A`
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> sed -e "s/TEMPLATE_TODAY/$TODAY/g" input_file
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> and then put in your input file:
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> "The file for TEMPLATE_TODAY was done."
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> then make the cronjob something like:
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> script.sh | mail -s "Foo" foo@bar.com
[09:13] <gord> popey, checked into your gnome-terminal maximize lag problems, seems its a bug with gnome-terminal itself under compositing blocks in an X call, prolly better to suggest the lovely Terminator for now :)
[09:14]  * dutchie wonders what the chances of terminator becoming default terminal app are
[09:15] <Myrtti> terminator ♥
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: ♫ The chances of Terminator becoming default, are a million to one he said </wotw>
[09:16] <dutchie> is this some music reference that i am too young to get again?
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: http://www.thewaroftheworlds.com/
[09:17] <dutchie> :o
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: Jeff Wayne's musical version :)
[09:17] <dutchie> how did i not hear about this when it was in the uk
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: because you're a recluse/shut-in? :P
[09:18] <dutchie> i'm going to say "because oxford is cut off from the rest of the world"
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: I have it on vinyl :)
[09:19] <dutchie> pretty sure that all of my knowledge of current affairs is via twitter at the moment
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: the original story is set mostly around Woking/London.. not too far away :)
[09:19]  * MartijnVdS has just finished re-reasing the book
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> reading*
[09:21] <czajkowski> Anyone have any experience with http://url.ie/8zv6
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> Google Maps helped a lot with the geographic picture for me :)
[09:21] <BigRedS> czajkowski: whatever that is is taking a while to lad. What is it?
[09:21] <BigRedS> s/lad/load/
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it's the Scroll
[09:22] <czajkowski> BigRedS: android tablet
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: there's a review here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POn7TgzCR9M
[09:22] <BigRedS> aha! No, in that case...
[09:22] <gord> czajkowski, pretty much all android tablets at this point are.. not good. best off waiting for gingerbread devices, ideally one made by google
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> gord: honeycomb*
[09:23] <gord> yes
[09:25] <czajkowski> hmmm
[09:25] <czajkowski> ok
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> looking at the Honeycomb article on ARs
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> can't wait for a tablet with it to be released :)
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> preferably with "clean" firmware, not hacked-up Samsung/HTC/etc. poo
[09:41] <bigcalm> Ug
[09:45] <Myrtti> bah.
[09:45] <Myrtti> tickets to Finland bought.
[09:45] <Myrtti> I had hoped a longer stay in UK but alas, that wasn't meant to be
[09:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:51] <DJones> I would have thought going home was a good feeling
[09:51] <bigcalm> Myrtti: emigrate to Blighty?
[09:53] <Myrtti> bigcalm, DJones: I don't feel home in my apartment and the reason for quick departure to Finland isn't a happy one, so...
[09:54]  * bigcalm hugs Myrtti
[09:54] <Myrtti> my only consolation in this is that the reason isn't so urgent that I needed to start harassing Ryanair to reimburse or anything
[09:56] <Myrtti> so, from Berlin to UK today, to Finland on Sunday
[09:56] <Myrtti> I'm going to be so dead next week...
[10:01] <Neioti|work> moin all
[10:03] <daubers> Myrtti: Chocolate will help with that
[10:16] <Myrtti> daubers: I highly doubt it
[10:17] <daubers> Myrtti: Enough of it will certainly give you a burst of energy for a short time
[10:18] <daubers> Myrtti: Cake is a better solution to any problem though
[10:18] <DJones> daubers: Chocolate cake sounds even better
[10:19] <daubers> DJones: I dunno... a victoria sponge is certainly very welcome at times
[10:21]  * BigRedS is using ice cream to solve problems at the minute
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> Tea.
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> best problem solvent ;)
[10:26] <Waterwolffy> hey
[10:26] <Waterwolffy> i installed ubuntu on my laptop using wubi
[10:27] <Waterwolffy> yesterday i installed some updates and shut down
[10:27] <Waterwolffy> today when i opened it and try to select ubuntu from boot menu, it says "unknown command loadfont"
[10:27] <Waterwolffy> i have tried googling but too many answers to get any working-for-sure one
[10:27] <Waterwolffy> anyone know what's wrong?
[10:30] <DJones> Waterwolffy: I don't use wubi and can't help with that, but if you don't get an answer here, try #ubuntu thats the main supprot channel & should might get a quicker response
[10:30] <Waterwolffy> yeah I found a thread that looks promising
[10:30] <Waterwolffy> if it won't work I'll try there
[10:30] <Waterwolffy> thanks
[10:37] <bigcalm> What ever happened to Kemopetrol? Need more Finnish goodness
[10:39] <Myrtti> Von Hertzen Brothers?
[10:41]  * bigcalm investigates on Spotify
[10:42] <bigcalm> Rockin' \m/
[10:45] <Myrtti> Magenta Skycode might be interesting too
[10:49]  * daubers turns on the heating
[10:49] <Myrtti> apparently all purchases of iPhone4's are revokable in Finland, if the seller hasn't specifically told during sales that the device must not be used below 0 centigrade
[10:50] <bigcalm> Tricky
[10:51] <bigcalm> How does your Nexus One cope with the cold?
[10:51] <Myrtti> haven't had any trouble
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> neither has mine
[10:55] <Myrtti> but apparently one of the Nordic insurance companies is fuming at Apple because their clients are claiming insurance for their broken iPhones that Apple doesn't take responsibility of because "the warranty is void if the phone has been used in cold temperatures" - I heard that approximately quarter of all their insurance claims atm are from broken iphones
[10:57] <bigcalm> Nasty
[10:58] <Myrtti> I knew there was some other reason for not getting an iphone than the need to use crippleware to manage it ;-)
[10:58] <davmor2> morning all
[10:58]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski morning
[10:59] <bigcalm> Myrtti: have you modded your n1?
[10:59] <Myrtti> bigcalm: nah, apart from the stickers I have on it
[10:59]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[10:59] <bigcalm> Awww ;)
[11:00] <Myrtti> my only reason for it would be to get openvpn to work, and that's not good enough reason
[11:00] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[11:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're just going out of you way to freak me out now aren't you ;)
[11:00] <Myrtti> since froyo enabled tethering, my main reason for rooting it disappeared
[11:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: cannot wait to see you next week :)
[11:01] <Myrtti> besides, my adventures with the warranty proved the point of not messing with the phone
[11:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:02] <Myrtti> "hi, my phone is broken, it is jammed in boot, no I don't have a receipt, I got this for free in California"
[11:02] <bigcalm> :O
[11:02] <Myrtti> "ok, let's see" - two weeks pass, the phone is sent to UK and back - "ok, here's a new phone"
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: Nice :)
[11:02] <Myrtti> "our bad"
[11:04] <MooDoo> czajkowski: davmor2 what the heck are you two playing at?
[11:04] <andylockran> howdy
[11:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: We're trying to figure out the best way of freaking out the channel is it working :)
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's working, hugging czajkowski isn't natural
[11:08] <czajkowski> :o
[11:08] <czajkowski> oi
[11:08]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski to show how natural it is :P
[11:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski i'm going to be sick
[11:10]  * czajkowski hugs MooDoo 
[11:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: don't be disgusting
[11:13] <MooDoo> czajkowski: er you stopped why?
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: She saw the effect the hug was having on you and ran
[11:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: i melted, she's good, think i'm in love :)
[11:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: run faster
[11:15]  * MooDoo runs after czajkowski with flowers and chocalate :)
[11:15] <DJones> MooDoo: 2 weeks + a few days to valentines day, don't forget the card & red roses
[11:15] <MooDoo> DJones: i don't know you that well ;)
[11:15] <DJones> Damm
[11:15]  * AlanBell whispers "white chocolate" to MooDoo 
[11:16]  * MooDoo is very thankful his wife doesn't use irc :)
[11:16] <AlanBell> :)
[11:16] <AlanBell> moving on, anyone else about for the expo on Thursday?
[11:17] <andylockran> czajkowski: is helpdesk-coordinator a mgmt role or secretarial ?
[11:17] <czajkowski> andylockran: not sure tbh
[11:17] <czajkowski> andylockran: I only poke the adverts, Kelly is dealing with them
[11:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't look now but guest1234445 is looking really steamed
[11:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: huh?
[11:18] <andylockran> czajkowski: ok, I might ping a email over to kelly in time.
[11:18] <czajkowski> ok
[11:18] <AlanBell> davmor2 have you been giving Mrs MooDoo IRC lessons?
[11:18]  * MooDoo cottons on :)
[11:19] <davmor2> guest1234445 is now know as MrsMooDoo
[11:19] <andylockran> czajkowski: how you enjoying life since the move?
[11:19] <czajkowski> yup all good thanks
[11:19] <czajkowski> 3rd month down
[11:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: pmsl, i can't get her off windows never mind irc
[11:19] <czajkowski> kinda flown by tbh
[11:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know they do irc clients for windows right :D
[11:20] <Myrtti> well, according to the Telegraph IRC is  used by Russian hackers and criminals anyway
[11:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm not worried, she finds computers boring
[11:20] <DJones> There's also freenodes webchat
[11:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: infact they do pidgin for windows :)
[11:21] <daubers> Myrtti: Which are you then?
[11:21] <daubers> :p
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes they do indeed, but she checks facebook and reads the entertainment news and that's about it lol
[11:22] <andylockran> czajkowski: you going to any of the 6nations ?
[11:23] <czajkowski> andylockran: nope
[11:24] <czajkowski> andylockran: we do have this planned though http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/
[11:25] <andylockran> look at the second registered :p
[11:25] <andylockran> oops - I've dropped down the list
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: people travelled back in time to register before you!
[11:32] <bigcalm> Just had my company xmas meal reimbursed. Better late than never :)
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: wow, just over a month :)
[11:32]  * bigcalm throws it at his credit card bill
[11:33] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: looks like it :p
[11:33] <andylockran> bigcalm: I've got expenses from Nov outstanding.
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: call The Doctor :)
[11:33] <bigcalm> Ack
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> my employer guarantees payment within 2 weeks, as long as you collect all relevant signatures :)
[11:35] <andylockran> I don't mind too much - stops me spending it... and quite nice to get a lump sump put in now and again.
[11:35] <bigcalm> Aye, I like that too
[11:49] <daubers> HAH!
[11:50] <daubers> Just had an email from Microsoft which contains the text "Upgrade upto three PCs running XP and Wista to Windows 7 for only £149.99"
[11:50] <daubers> I must have missed Windows Wista....
[11:52] <daubers> http://yfrog.com/h8yn0p
[11:55] <shauno> tweetie for mac eh.  didn't peg you for a freedom hater ;p
[11:55] <daubers> shauno: Useful for testing stuffs with. A lot of my customers use OSX.
[11:58] <davmor2> shauno: we all hate freedom that's why we follow popey and jono :D
[11:59] <bigcalm> Freedom is overrated
[12:00]  * bigcalm caresses his electronic tag
[12:07] <iclebyte> am i correct in thinking that /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf should have 4 entries? 2 per array when using RAID1
[12:07] <mattt> don't think so
[12:07] <mattt> at least not on mine
[12:07] <mattt> it's one per array
[12:08] <iclebyte> should it be the UUID of the mdX device or of the one of the hard disks?
[12:09] <iclebyte> fstab has the UUID's of the arrays rather than specific devices
[12:09] <mattt> i'd imagine the mdX device
[12:09] <iclebyte> can you check for me?
[12:10] <mattt> yeah, i'm using it on lenny tho -- so there's no UUID reference
[12:10] <iclebyte> type blkid into your shell as root
[12:10] <iclebyte> oh  =(
[12:10] <mattt> :(
[12:10] <iclebyte> i'm trying it on 10.04 and it's just causing issues. if i do a warm reboot after hitting rescue mode the system comes up fine. as soon as i do a cold boot it fails
[12:12] <iclebyte> this is driving me insane in the membrane
[12:15] <daubers> iclebyte: I've got a raid 1 on 10.10 which has one entry per raid1
[12:15] <daubers> in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[12:15] <daubers> THats a 2 disk raid1
[12:16] <daubers> and my fstab uses the blkid of /dev/md0 :)
[12:16] <HazRPG> morning
[12:17] <HazRPG> or afternoon rather
[12:18] <daubers> iclebyte: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/102228
[12:19] <bigcalm> "Incorrect table definition; there can be only one TIMESTAMP column with CURRENT_TIMESTAMP in DEFAULT or ON UPDATE clause
[12:19] <bigcalm> " Why?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: which RDBMS?
[12:20] <bigcalm> ?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: what kind of database engine are you talking to
[12:20] <gord> why would you need two timestamp columns in a table?
[12:20] <bigcalm> Oh
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> gord: lots of reasons
[12:21] <bigcalm> I'm just wondering why the limit should be in place
[12:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: checking
[12:21] <gord> i don't see a single reason
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: postgresql, mysql, sqlite, etc.?
[12:21] <bigcalm> oh, mysql
[12:21] <bigcalm> I thought you meant something else :)
[12:27] <iclebyte> daubers, and is that the UUID of the RAID array?
[12:31] <Twinkletoes> If I want to install the kernel headers, if I use apt-get install "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" will that package also get updated when I update my kernel? (or just do apt-get upgrade?)
[12:32] <daubers> iclebyte: The UUID in mdadm.conf is the UUID given by mdadm, not of the blkid of /dev/md0
[12:33] <daubers> iclebyte: To get that UUID do "sudo mdadm --query --detail /dev/md0" where md0 is the identifier of you RAID device
[12:34] <bigcalm> Twinkletoes: I don't think so as you are specifying a perticular kernel. Have a look for the dummy package instead
[12:34] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: Is that just linux-headers-2.6?  THe one that's listed as a virtual package?
[12:34]  * bigcalm shrugs :)
[12:35] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: Haha! - Ok, thanks :)
[12:35] <bigcalm> My knowledge stops there
[12:39] <bigcalm> gord: to counter your statement. There is already a column that is updated with the current timestamp on each write. The column I want to add is a 'created_at' that will only be set once.
[12:39] <iclebyte> daubers, this has gone totally pear shaped
[12:39] <iclebyte> i've ended up rebuilding the array in the rescue mode - i did think it was strange that when i instructed the 10.04 install to build the array it never performed a sync
[12:45] <daubers> Woot!
[12:45]  * daubers has just written a more or less generic python built in type to xml and back again library
[12:46] <daubers> Now I can send my dicts and tuples across the wire without having to worry about them \o/
[12:48] <iclebyte> daubers, playing with python? =)
[12:50] <daubers> iclebyte: Kinda, doing this for work though
[12:53] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> afternoonigon :)
[12:55] <brobostigon> afternoonings MartijnVdS :)
[12:59] <HazRPG> wow... my hearing must be dying O.o
[12:59]  * HazRPG watching hak5
[13:00] <HazRPG> apparently they played a 16000hz sound in the background to prove a point, but I couldn't hear it...
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> point proven :)
[13:01] <HazRPG> oh hey brobostigon :)
[13:01] <brobostigon> hey HazRPG :)
[13:01] <HazRPG> hey MartijnVdS
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> hey RPG
[13:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah they played it in the background to show that as you get older you can't hear that sound anymore... hold on, I'm going to ask my sis if she can hear it xD
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: your stereo might be filtering it ;)
[13:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I like how you assumed it was stereo ;)
[13:03] <HazRPG> 5.1 Surround ftw ;D
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: "a stereo set" could be a home theatre system imho :)
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: and have 21.6 for all I care ;)
[13:04] <HazRPG> I guess
[13:04] <HazRPG> (googles for a 16000hz file)
[13:07] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: it stops at 52s for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUkNvl8mQw
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> volume drops around 40, but still audible
[13:08] <HazRPG> all the way throught :O
[13:08] <HazRPG> through*
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> there is no sound after 52.. I hear a *click*
[13:08] <shauno> I'm always wary of those, because compression codecs vary in their handling of high frequencies too.  and with youtube recoding everything you hand it, you don't control that
[13:08] <dogmatic69> hi all
[13:09] <HazRPG> true
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that might explain the click -- the codecs truncating inaudible frequencies
[13:09] <HazRPG> I'm having a feeling the podcast I'm watching might have put in a sound file for 16,000hz... but the codec compression might not have done it right
[13:09] <dogmatic69> trying to get usb wifi working, its a tl-wn821n v3.1 but not having any luck
[13:09] <HazRPG> cos my sister said she couldn't hear anything either
[13:10] <shauno> clicks off at 52s for me too, and others in the comments.  not gonna claim I'm not getting old, but that's suss ;)
[13:12] <HazRPG> well I can hear up to 18000hz on this site: http://www.freemosquitoringtones.org/hearing_test/
[13:12] <HazRPG> maybe my hearing isn't as bad as I thought
[13:13] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: have you looked inside lsusb  and dmesg , to see if the kernel is picking it up properly, and then have you installed bluez, bluetooth drivers.
[13:13] <HazRPG> might explain why I always hear a buzzing noise in my computer room
[13:13] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: sorry, yousaid wifi, ingnore the last bit of what i said.
[13:13] <HazRPG> too much electrical stuff floating around
[13:14] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: lsusb shows it i think
[13:14] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: and does "ls /dev/wlan*" return anything ?
[13:14] <dogmatic69> atheros comms
[13:15] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: hmm, have you done a search "sudo apt-cache search" to see if there any specific drivers you need to install for atheros.
[13:16] <dogmatic69> ls /dev/wlan says no such file or folder
[13:16] <brobostigon> ls /dev/wlan*
[13:16] <dogmatic69> yes
[13:16] <brobostigon> dont forget the *
[13:16] <dogmatic69> nothing found
[13:16] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: do a search, you might need a firmware blob for it.
[13:17] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: try the hw database on help.ubuntu.com/commmunity
[13:17] <dogmatic69> i have
[13:17] <brobostigon> and ?
[13:17] <dogmatic69> last 6ish https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsTP-Link
[13:17] <dogmatic69> right at the bottom
[13:17] <dogmatic69> everyone says 'works out the box'
[13:18] <dogmatic69> i have followed the instructions on the last one and installed the drivers but still nothing
[13:19] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: can you check dmesg before and after you have plugged it in, and pastebin the output, also lsusb please.
[13:20] <BigRedS> Quick sanity check, if I have a script with a bash shebang, but I call it as `sh script.sh`, sh ignores the shebang and it gets parsed by /bin/sh, doesn't it?
[13:20] <BigRedS> so bashisms wotn work
[13:20] <dogmatic69> i cant paste the output cos its not connected :D
[13:20] <dogmatic69> ill give you a summary, one sec
[13:20] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: how did you install drivers then, you mentioned?
[13:21]  * brobostigon  goes to make a cuppa.
[13:23] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: have you had a lookat https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[13:24] <brobostigon> !info ath5k
[13:25] <brobostigon> !info madwifi
[13:26] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/248045309
[13:26] <dogmatic69> line 800ish where the gap is was after connecting it
[13:28] <brobostigon> [ 1325.450988] ath9k_hif_usb: probe of 2-1:1.0 failed with error -22
[13:28] <brobostigon> looks like it knows it there, but is trying to load it, with error, not seen it before,
[13:29] <dogmatic69> :(
[13:30] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: that last link 'Install the package using either Synaptic or apt-get' is not an option
[13:30] <dogmatic69> all i got is my laptop to download things with
[13:30] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: it ispossible,  get the debian package from packages.ubuntu.com and copythe debian package to this machine, and inst6all it using dpkg.
[13:31] <dogmatic69> right
[13:35] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: is this the stuff? http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick-backports/allpackages
[13:37] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: what is the package name youneed ?
[13:38] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: and which version of ubuntu are youusing?
[13:38] <dogmatic69> it says 'Look for the ath5k module, located in the package linux-backports-modules-intrepid.'
[13:38] <dogmatic69> 10.10 x32
[13:38] <dogmatic69> x84
[13:38] <brobostigon> 86*
[13:38] <dogmatic69> 3x lucky :D
[13:39] <brobostigon> there isnt an ath5k pckage that i can find, for maverick.
[13:42] <brobostigon> well i thought atheros drivers were directly inthe kernel now, as my eeepc has an atheros wifi chipset, and it worked straight out.
[13:43] <BigRedS> mm, i'm fairly sure it's in the kernel now
[13:43] <brobostigon> thats what i thought BigRedS.
[13:44] <BigRedS> wikipedia agrees, but with no citation
[13:44] <brobostigon> my eeepc also agrees, :)
[13:44] <BigRedS> Haha, ah yeah :)
[13:45] <BigRedS> Hm. I've just found a bunch of files with suffixes 'old', 'older', 'evenolder' and 'oldest' :/
[13:45] <brobostigon> Linux debian 2.6.37-trunk-686 #1 SMP Thu Jan 6 14:39:08 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:45] <BigRedS> rather than the expected date +%F...
[13:45] <brobostigon> interesting.
[13:46] <shauno> sounds like the kind of thing I'd do.  I still dread finding random 40Gb directories named 'stuff'.
[13:46] <BigRedS> haha
[13:47] <bigcalm> Anybody here got their Nexus One to link to their car via bluetooth?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> works fine
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> well my dad's car, but same thing really ;)
[13:48] <bigcalm> What's the car?
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Meriva
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> (Opel/Vauxhall)
[13:49] <popey> bah, did I miss a meeting?
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's a HFP system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#Hands-Free_Profile_.28HFP.29
[13:50] <AlanBell> eggs fried in chilli oil are yummy
[13:51] <AlanBell> popey: yup
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> oooh - mince pie :-)
[13:51] <popey> :( sorry
[13:51] <AlanBell> never mind
[13:51] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I've never been able to get my 407 to link :(
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: what kind of set/radio? or is it built-in?
[13:52] <bigcalm> Built in
[13:52] <bigcalm> Linked with my GF's old phone
[13:52] <bigcalm> I should see if it will link with her HTC Wildfire
[13:52]  * bigcalm ponders
[13:52] <dogmatic69> will a download from today be different to the one from a month ago?
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: download of what?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> the ubuntu  that is
[13:53] <dogmatic69> like 10.10 x86
[13:53] <AlanBell> not if it is a released version
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: if it's the same version, the download should be the same, but you can always check against the MD5SUMS file
[13:55] <dogmatic69> k
[13:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: take a look at bug 700966 Sounds like there is a simple fix.
[13:59] <AlanBell> oooooohhhhhh
[14:00]  * AlanBell beats openerp with the chown stick
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> clown stick!
[14:01] <czajkowski>  
[14:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: lost for words?
[14:02] <czajkowski> yup
[14:02] <czajkowski> :)
[14:04] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I didn't know you were ever lost for words
[14:04] <czajkowski> it happens from time to time
[14:05] <AlanBell> Pendulum is far enough away to say stuff like that :)
[14:06] <Pendulum> AlanBell: nah, czajkowski just loves me too much. She needs me to get nice rooms with without windows in the showers and with jacuzzis in them at UDS ;-)
[14:06] <czajkowski> Pendulum: awwwww you know you're more to me than a room buddy :(
[14:06] <czajkowski> who else is going to listen to youtube wake up calls!
[14:07] <Pendulum> or bring you salt water taffy
[14:07] <czajkowski> this is true :D
[14:07] <czajkowski> nyommy
[14:07] <Pendulum> btw, was the taffy from Baltimore superior at all? because I'm going to be in Baltimore again in March...
[14:08] <czajkowski> yes was nice, it did have a lot of the chocolate one in it, which isn't the nicest, but had lots of the red and white ones:D
[14:11]  * daubers makes a pot of coffee
[14:13] <Pendulum> czajkowski: was it better than the stuff from Martin?
[14:13] <MooDoo> yum yum yum subway eaten :)
[14:13] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye
[14:13] <czajkowski> nicer
[14:13] <czajkowski> chewie
[14:13] <czajkowski> r
[14:14]  * Pendulum adds buy czajkowski salt water taffy to the BAltimore todo list
[14:14] <czajkowski> :D
[14:14] <czajkowski> awww
[14:14] <MooDoo> creep ;)
[14:14] <hamitron> :)
[14:16] <Pendulum> oh, I take that back. I have seen czajkowski speechless. And it generally involves her mouth having salt water taffy in it
[14:16] <czajkowski> Pendulum: to be fair then I just mumble
[14:16] <czajkowski> or stop talking mid sentence
[14:17] <Pendulum> or interrupt yourself to mumble about taffy
[14:17] <czajkowski> ideed
[14:18] <Pendulum> "What do you think about the changes beind ma-- oooh taffy!"
[14:19] <MooDoo> Pendulum: "<insert anything witty here-- oooh taffy!"
[14:19] <Pendulum> MooDoo: nah, it was generaly an Ubuntu related statement
[14:19] <MooDoo> pah Pendulum we could of had some fun here at czajkowski 's expense :)
[14:20] <Pendulum> I don't think she ever interrupted herself saying "Let's go to breakfast" for example
[14:20] <czajkowski> yup pretty much sums up Orlando hotel
[14:20] <Pendulum> MooDoo: well it was at UDS
[14:20] <Pendulum> I love that hotel
[14:20] <czajkowski> and breakfast did mean bacon and syrup
[14:20] <Pendulum> I really hope we go back
[14:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski: pancakes bacon and maple syrup.....ftw!
[14:21] <AlanBell> ^^ WRONG
[14:22] <AlanBell> pancakes and syrup is full of win, bacon is full of win. These are separate things
[14:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eh no your wrong
[14:22] <MooDoo> no no no no
[14:22] <czajkowski> why nobody gets this is beyond me
[14:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i get it :) i love it :)  lets do breakfast.
[14:22]  * hamitron agrees with AB
[14:23] <czajkowski> MooDoo: indeed
[14:31] <Pendulum> AlanBell: have you tried them together?
[14:36] <daubers> If I want to duel boot OSX and Ubuntu do I still have to muck around with rEFIt?
[14:36] <AlanBell> I will try anything Pendulum
[14:36]  * AlanBell isn't sure that came out quite right
[14:37] <shauno> daubers: it should work without, but much smoother with refit
[14:37] <shauno> that said, I haven't poked grub-efi for a while
[14:37] <daubers> shauno: Smoother how?
[14:37] <X3N> is duel booting where each OS battles each other until one wins?
[14:37] <AlanBell> I have had bacon with syrup on it, it isn't quite as good as bacon with syrup off it
[14:37] <X3N> I want that
[14:38] <daubers> X3N: Surely thats what Windows does when another OS is present :)
[14:38] <shauno> daubers: bootcamp can be a bit obnoxious in expecting windows. refit is on your side
[14:38] <AlanBell> X3N: with the new trend of 4 primary partitions all used, Windows wins :(
[14:39] <X3N> haha
[14:39] <AlanBell> it really is a nasty thing to do
[14:39] <HazRPG> hmm, is there anything like cPanel for ubuntu - but with a lil more sauce ;)
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Microsoft's Windows revenues plunge 30% http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9206799/Microsoft_s_Windows_revenues_plunge_30_
[14:40] <BigRedS> blimey
[14:41] <BigRedS> HazRPG: virtualmin?
[14:41] <Neoti|work> HazRPG : webmin
[14:41] <BigRedS> I've not seen cPanel in a Looooooong time, but find virtualmin quite agreeable
[14:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> HazRPG: What do you want to do? I find things like CPanel, Plesk, Webmin etc all just get IN MY WAY
[14:41] <MooDoo> i <3 cpanel
[14:42] <dogmatic69> webmin is pants
[14:42] <HazRPG> well I'm thinking of changing my hosting provider - but thinking of going the VPN way instead of a regular web host
[14:43] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: handy thing with virtualmin is that it keeps the files all human readable, so if you want to go crazy with vi you still can
[14:43] <HazRPG> but I'm not exactly a linux server guru just yet (heck I still haven't even used one yet)
[14:43] <dogmatic69> HazRPG: im with slicehost and they are pretty good
[14:43] <BigRedS> ...and also webmin, virualmin's just an extension to it
[14:43] <AlanBell> HazRPG: get a VPS running Ubuntu server or Debian
[14:43] <HazRPG> AlanBell: that is the plan ;)
[14:44] <AlanBell> bytemark or bitfolk
[14:44] <MooDoo> or memset
[14:44]  * TheOpenSourcerer notes how AlanBell is coming round to the idea of servers *without* GUIs. :-)
[14:44] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: but webmin's idea of structure and the new ubuntu / apache ideas clash
[14:45] <BigRedS> what's changed in new ubuntu/apache?
[14:45] <HazRPG> I just want to finally shift over my 5 or so domains away from GooHost.co.uk cos I'm getting royally screwed over with them
[14:45] <BigRedS> I thought we'd put it on a relatively modern ubuntu server
[14:45] <HazRPG> at first, wasn't so bad @ £49 - I could deal with it, but not that they've pumped the price up, not so much
[14:46] <AlanBell> £49 per month?
[14:46] <HazRPG> a year
[14:46] <HazRPG> should have pointed that out ^^,
[14:46] <AlanBell> an
[14:46] <AlanBell> ah
[14:46] <AlanBell> I was going to sell you something a little cheaper :)
[14:47] <HazRPG> like what? lol
[14:47] <AlanBell> we do fairly big VPS boxes for some of our customers
[14:48] <HazRPG> see you said a little cheaper, I have a feeling your going to say its something like £30p.m.
[14:48] <AlanBell> £40
[14:48] <HazRPG> ah
[14:48] <shauno> I believe ebox is the closest thing to a suggested replacement for webmin now.  it's still not great tho.  servers are pretty much sticking to "tty or go home".  we may never be free from 1970 :)
[14:49] <AlanBell> itym Zentyal
[14:49] <HazRPG> see, the most I've ever done with my server was try and get tty (or similar) access - and after a month of e-mailing managed to get some access... and all I really needed it for was cron jobs
[14:52] <HazRPG> I hate trying to work out how much bandwidth one would need - its mind boggling
[14:52] <gord> i love sd cards, you can "copy" 500mb across in two seconds but it'll take half an hour to unmount
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> gord: \o/ cache
[14:53] <shauno> ugh, who's idea was it to rename ebox to sound like an off-brand pharma?
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Tesco Value Ebox
[14:58] <HazRPG> is Zentyal essentially eBox?
[14:59] <HazRPG> cos the logo looks exactly the same
[14:59] <BigRedS> I hate websites like that
[14:59] <AlanBell> HazRPG: yes, it was rebranded
[15:00] <lazarus_> hey
[15:00] <HazRPG> hey
[15:01] <HazRPG> hmm, 100GB doesn't sound like an awful lot of bandwidth - might just be me though
[15:01]  * HazRPG is thinking of going with bitfolk
[15:01] <AlanBell> it is rather a lot, unless you are hosting .isos or videos
[15:01] <BigRedS> yeah, I only ever hit my 30GB limit at around release day
[15:02] <HazRPG> BigRedS: release day for what if you don't mind me asking?
[15:02] <BigRedS> ubuntus
[15:02] <HazRPG> ah
[15:02] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Well I plan to put mumble and host maybe 6-7 domains
[15:02] <BigRedS> it's a torrent node for ubuntus and debians. I almost don't notice debians
[15:03] <HazRPG> none of which have real heavy traffic
[15:04] <AlanBell> don't worry about it at all then
[15:04] <AlanBell> and bytemark are really nice about traffic spikes
[15:04] <HazRPG> I worked it out, if I set the limit on 560Kb/s per session (I think its per session) that it comes down to about 3GB per month (I think)
[15:04] <AlanBell> we got slashdotted a few times and they gave us more ram temporarily and we never discussed bandwidth
[15:06] <AlanBell> HazRPG: look at the total size of your websites, multiply by the total number of visitors per month, bet it is under a GB if everyone read everything
[15:08] <HazRPG> not sure how many visitors I get (if any haha)
[15:08] <lazarus_> grr windows is going bye bye
[15:08] <HazRPG> I know I do all the time, cos I tend to put up important files/exes/scripts that I might need to help someone out
[15:08] <shauno> I think my average weight per page is pretty obscene, and 100Gb would still give me about half a million pageviews
[15:09] <HazRPG> total comes to around 200MB of files so far though
[15:10] <HazRPG> I should really learn to monitor how much bandwidth I use :/
[15:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: is bitfolk a company you've dealt with before?
[15:11] <AlanBell> yes
[15:12] <HazRPG> just noticed "consultancy services £50/hour" I'm guessing that's not for general support is it
[15:13] <AlanBell> no, that would be for consultancy services :)
[15:14] <HazRPG> yeah, I was just having a dumb moment
[15:16] <Database> Hey people.
[15:17] <sandfly> I am looking for a little advice, i have ascanner is not being recognised, Should i file a bug report and with whom
[15:17] <popey> sandfly: which make/model of scanner?
[15:18] <sandfly> its  combo
[15:18] <sandfly> tho printer works
[15:18] <HazRPG> thanks for the help gusy
[15:18] <HazRPG> guys* even
[15:18] <popey> ok, which make/model of scanner multifunction device is it sandfly ?
[15:18] <sandfly> photosmart B110
[15:18] <popey> canon?
[15:19] <popey> oh, hp
[15:19] <sandfly> hP
[15:19] <popey> http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-HEWLETT-PACKARD
[15:19] <HazRPG> typical, guys I'm working for are on holiday - and the FTP is down :/
[15:19] <popey> not listed unfortunately
[15:20] <popey> bug 685583
[15:20] <popey> sandfly: known bug :(
[15:20] <sandfly> ok
[15:20] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1639975
[15:20] <popey> some tips there sandfly
[15:20] <sandfly> how did u find that
[15:21] <popey> google :)
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> magic :P
[15:21] <sandfly> i am rubish at finding any thing on launchpad
[15:21] <popey> use google, it finds stuff in launchpad
[15:21] <sandfly> ok
[15:21] <popey> I used the terms photosmart B110 scanner ubuntu
[15:22] <popey> second hit was that forum post, which links to the bug
[15:22] <sandfly> cool
[15:23] <sandfly> just back fram a long trip so i haven't hard your show for a while , looking forward to catching up
[15:24] <sandfly> And thanks for the pointers
[15:25] <popey> no probs and thanks! :)
[15:30] <dogmatic69> should i install this for my tp-link wifi issue? http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/
[15:32] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: its packages inthe repos,i think.
[15:32] <brobostigon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.36-maverick-generic
[15:32] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: uname -a == 2.6.35-22
[15:33] <dogmatic69> how can i update the system 'manually'
[15:33] <brobostigon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=compat+wireless&searchon=all&suite=maverick&section=all
[15:36] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: i dont see anything to download there
[15:37] <moreati> !backports
[15:37] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: that is the list, when i did a search for compat wireless.
[15:38] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: youneed to work out which package matches your system, get the debian package fromtthe package page, and then download it,copy it to said machine, and instll it manaullywith dpkg.
[15:43] <dogmatic69> well i just downloaded on and it wont install
[15:44] <dogmatic69> software center opened and 'install' is not clickable
[15:44] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: install it from cli will dpkg.
[15:45] <brobostigon> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[15:46] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: dependency problems
[15:46]  * hamitron spanks popey
[15:47] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: look lower down the package page, for things it depends on, its listed on the same package page lower down.
[15:47] <utrinqueparatus> how do i joing a ubuntu server to a samba based centos PDC domain?
[15:47] <dogmatic69> i downloaded this http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.36-maverick-generic/download
[15:48] <brobostigon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.36-maverick-generic/
[15:48] <utrinqueparatus> it will be acting as a fileshare
[15:48] <brobostigon> lookfuther down the page, it klists its package dependencies.
[15:52] <popey> hello hamitron !
[15:52] <popey> hamitron: love the volcano!
[15:53] <utrinqueparatus> is it possible to have a fileshare with domain authentication from a samba pdc?
[16:14] <andylockran> hey guys
[16:15] <andylockran> anyone good with perl?
[16:15] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/362962/
[16:16] <andylockran> or just logic :p
[16:18] <moreati> andylockran: what's the question?
[16:19] <andylockran> moreati: looks like the last two lines are out of order.
[16:19] <andylockran> in that swap the two round
[16:21] <moreati> yes: also remove the semi-colon from line 8, and place the swapped line 7 in {}
[16:21] <moreati> andylockran: why does line 6 end  with + 1?
[16:22] <moreati> actually, i don't get that whole paste. What exactly is being tested for?
[16:27] <andylockran> moreati: actually, looking at it
[16:27] <andylockran> the last line is part of the previous line (as no colon) so it returns as expected..
[16:27] <andylockran> it's meant to be checking for a sane vat value.
[16:28] <andylockran> I don't get the paste either.. I'm not a dev :;p
[16:52] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: even using it on my upto-date ubuntu10.10 does not work, i do not know how people have on the site that it works out the box
[16:53] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: i am not sure then, there might be someintricasy in said usb adaptor or you computer thats causing aproblem, i dont know.
[16:54] <dogmatic69> gonna try it on windows tonight
[16:54] <dogmatic69> there is not even a led on the stupid thing to show that its working
[16:55] <dogmatic69> tx for the help though
[16:55] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: i am quite used to that, no seeing hw do things like that, i look in other places.
[16:57] <hamitron> damn phone, popey: had serious lag
[16:58] <hamitron> but gone now
[16:58] <popey> :(
[16:58] <popey> when was that?
[16:58] <hamitron> when I said "LAG" on server
[16:59] <hamitron> just after 3:30 I think
[16:59] <popey> ace, will look at log
[16:59] <popey> AM?
[16:59] <hamitron> PM
[16:59] <hamitron> I am not hardcore enough for AM
[16:59] <hamitron> :)
[16:59] <hamitron> got work and rl ;/
[17:01] <hamitron> maybe all the kiddies got home from school :/
[17:02] <popey> hamitron: have suspended the map generation jobs, and moved them all to early morning 6-8AM
[17:02] <popey> should make it less wobbly
[17:02] <hamitron> cool :)
[17:02] <Azelphur> popey: did you see my android screenshot earlier? :P
[17:03] <popey> nope
[17:03] <Azelphur> popey: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/Janurary%202011/andshot.png
[17:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sheesh - I've just got a renewal bill (£20) for my driving license - That never used to happen. Been driving for 25yrs. Got to send a new photo.
[17:03] <Azelphur> That's an FTP server, SSH Client, Skype, Playstation emulator, Remote notifier, XMPP client, IRC Client, Overclocking profiler, vnstat-like thing, tasker, and 2 voip accounts
[17:03] <Azelphur> all at the same time :D
[17:04] <Azelphur> do that on an iphone, lol
[17:05] <popey> :)
[17:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:06] <bigcalm> popey: track finished
[17:06] <Azelphur> popey: it actually manages all that fine too, the emu is running happy at 50+fps all the time :D
[17:06] <Azelphur> I could run more, I just couldn't find anything else to run, lmao
[17:06] <popey> bigcalm: yay
[17:06] <popey> setiathome?
[17:06] <bigcalm> popey: would be more of a yay if it worked :P
[17:06] <popey> well, yes
[17:07] <bigcalm> I think that the number on thing that servers need is passwords
[17:07] <popey> oh?
[17:07] <bigcalm> You don't think?
[17:07] <HazRPG> rofl, have you seen how numb3rs describes irc?
[17:07] <popey> power
[17:07] <popey> cooling
[17:07] <HazRPG> I think its using IRSSI xD
[17:08] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
[17:08] <gord> i love setting something "going" only to return to it half an hour later with it sitting on a password dialogue
[17:08] <popey> Yay! http://www.graze.com/b/GQXPP
[17:08] <daubers> Woot \o/ Missus is having dinner with her parents, which means it's take away and geeky tv night!
[17:08] <popey> tomorrows box is on the way
[17:09] <popey> yay daubers
[17:09] <popey> daubers: minecraft!
[17:09] <daubers> popey: I'm all Minecrafted out
[17:09] <popey> bah, unpossible!
[17:09] <daubers> I built my massive underground railway last night
[17:09] <daubers> Got fed up trying to keep the damn thing moving under it's own power....
[17:10] <daubers> I could sit and paint some Warhammer miniatures and watch Thunderbirds with a curry from the place down the road.
[17:10] <popey> but but but
[17:10] <popey> join us on the popey server :)
[17:11] <popey> or not :)
[17:11] <gord> daubers, do you know about boosters?
[17:11] <daubers> :p
[17:11] <daubers> gord: Yeah, I can't get them to work particularly well :(
[17:11] <gord> they aren't too tricky, poke me some time and i'll take a look
[17:11] <popey> tracks seem broken in smp
[17:11] <gord> no they work fine
[17:11] <popey> no, laying them
[17:12] <popey> put 10 in a row, the last one is wrong orientation
[17:12] <popey> lay the 11th, and that one flips, and the 11th is wrong
[17:12] <popey> so lay 100 in a row and you end up with a few here and there the wrong way round
[17:12] <popey> there's loads of them on the bridges in the popey map
[17:13] <gord> weird, doesn't happen on my server
[17:13] <popey> wonder if mine is outdated
[17:14] <hamitron> you not gonna reset? :(
[17:14] <popey> no
[17:14] <hamitron> thank gawd
[17:14] <hamitron> ;/
[17:14] <popey> just wondering if I need an updated jar file
[17:15] <gord> last one i got was for the colours update thingy
[17:15] <gord> i really need to figure out a way of farming sheep, seems like there is no good way of getting wool
[17:16] <hamitron> how much you need?
[17:16] <gord> hundreds and hundreds
[17:16] <hamitron> if you can put it to good use, can have mine
[17:17] <gord> meh i abandoned the giant zx spectrum mascots idea
[17:17] <popey> hmm, mine is outdates
[17:17] <popey> *outdated
[17:17] <popey> will update it later on
[17:17] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:18] <bigcalm> Hopefully not losing much
[17:19] <popey> gord: you could probably farm them with fast moving water :)
[17:19] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asImTDkPWKA
[17:20] <gord> yeah there are ways of building traps to basically farm anything that spawns on land, but those always feel like cheating
[17:20] <hamitron> help
[17:22] <popey> :)
[17:23] <bigcalm> Just set this video to full screen
[17:23] <bigcalm> I'm being sucked into the monitor
[17:24] <popey> :)
[17:33]  * brobostigon shakes fist @ the adsl
[17:33] <n1md4> hello.  anyone know if it's possible to upgrade hardware RAID disk capacity on SAS1068.
[17:34] <directhex> n1md4, you're already using 8 disks?
[17:35] <n1md4> directhex: Sorry, 2 disk RAID1.
[17:35] <Azelphur> anyone know of an IRC bot that'll read an RSS feed and chuck new entries into a channel?
[17:36] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I'd suggest running an eggdrop and finding a tcl script to do that
[17:36] <OmNomSequitur> AnnoyBot6000.
[17:36] <Azelphur> bigcalm: :)
[17:37] <Azelphur> OmNomSequitur: haha, you know there's a bot in here that does it right? ;)
[17:37] <popey> ubuntuuk-planet <-
[17:37] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:38] <n1md4> Citing http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/LSI "LSI MegaRAID SAS (megasr crap): This is the first of the broken cards series by LSI. I hope you don't have one." Well, I have! Lovely when that happens.
[17:42] <popey> :(
[17:42] <popey> whats broken about it?
[17:43] <popey> ahh, fakeraid
[17:43] <popey> say no more
[17:44] <popey> useful page
[17:44]  * popey hugs bigcalm 
[17:44] <bigcalm> popey: I've just disconnected
[17:45] <popey> so i saw :)
[17:45]  * popey pokes gord with a disconnection :)
[17:45] <selinuxium> Evening   o/
[17:45] <bigcalm> Omnipresent!
[17:46]  * bigcalm drums his fingers
[17:47] <czajkowski> oh a selinuxium
[17:47] <bigcalm> I have trees to plant!
[17:47] <popey> yay
[17:48] <gord> popey, okay done that, sorry was logged in and left it running in the background, was just keeping the server from sleeping so my grass would grow
[17:48]  * popey backs up first
[17:48] <popey> heheh
[17:48] <bigcalm> Gooooooooooooood
[17:48] <selinuxium> I do love joining the end of a conversation... :)
[17:48] <bigcalm> End?
[17:48] <bigcalm> It's pretty much constant
[17:48] <selinuxium> Well, not the beginning...
[17:49] <selinuxium> there is no end...
[17:49] <selinuxium> :)
[17:49] <bigcalm> There is no end to the minecraft talk
[17:49] <selinuxium> How is everyone today?
[17:49] <selinuxium> OH! I have yet to play it...
[17:49] <popey> dude!
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> You have yet to play today?
[17:50]  * AlanBell also admits to a lack of minecraft experience
[17:50] <selinuxium> *cough*   ....ever ?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> are you a Minecraft virgin, AlanBell?
[17:51]  * AlanBell resists crude puns
[17:51] <AlanBell> never played it, yes
[17:51]  * Darael sees no problem with not having played minecraft.  He hasn't either.
[17:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: so am I, I don't have enough hours in the day to play too
[17:51] <popey> bigcalm / gord it's back
[17:51] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:52] <shauno> I can't touch minecraft.  I'm still recovering from a 3 year warcraft addiction.  And minecraft seems to just suck people right in
[17:52] <brobostigon> or the spare money, to buy it.
[17:52] <selinuxium> So has someone done a PPA for minecraft? or do I have to just download it?
[17:52] <bigcalm> popey: track is fixed
[17:52] <popey> its payware
[17:52] <popey> !
[17:52] <popey> seriously?
[17:52] <selinuxium> popey, O_o
[17:52] <bigcalm> popey: But we have to manually correct all of the kinks
[17:52] <popey> selinuxium: its cheap
[17:52] <popey> sure
[17:52] <popey> can do that in a train :)
[17:52] <selinuxium> People... Paying... For game.... On Linux... ;)
[17:53] <bigcalm> selinuxium: every platform
[17:53] <popey> selinuxium: its java
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> If you pay for Minecraft, you pay ORACLE
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> *ahem*
[17:53] <popey> haha
[17:53] <popey> yay, home time
[17:53] <popey> ttfn all
[17:54] <selinuxium> ttfn
[18:32]  * daubers ponders which takeaway to go to
[18:32] <daubers> Chinese, nepalese, indian or the chippy
[18:32] <brobostigon> +1 indian
[18:33] <Darael> indian++; chinese++
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> indianese!
[18:33] <brobostigon> lol
[18:42] <directhex> korean!
[18:42] <maco> mmm bibimbap
[18:43] <directhex> korean's really uncommon in the uk, but i had some in cambridge
[18:43] <maco> hmm UK loses a point for lack of korean food then
[18:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> ++indian - and grab me a bag of Onion Bhaji too would you please?
[18:44] <directhex> maco, "ethnic foods" are tied to immigration. the uk is filled with people from india, bangladesh, and pakistan - not so much korea
[18:44] <directhex> or mexican
[18:46] <maco> i know theres at least some ethiopian there too
[18:46] <maco> because i looked up ethiopian restaurants in edinburgh to figure out the likelihood Riddell wouldve already tried it before visiting DC
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> Look what I found: http://www.imgur.com/dFYri.jpg
[18:49] <maco> directhex: one of the ethiopian restaurants in the city i grew up in was started by a lawyer who fell in love with the food while visiting DC all the time. DC has high ethiopian immigration, Pittsburgh does not
[18:49] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: nice
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: 12" -- another nice find at the local record store :)
[18:52] <directhex> maco, well, "tied to", not directly a part of ;)
[18:58] <daubers> \o/ went to the indian
[18:58] <brobostigon> :)
[19:38] <HazRPG> hurray, my google extension is published :D
[19:38] <HazRPG> https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gmkbolemmamlpfbnieckhgaghdccmkhe?hl=en
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: cool
[19:39] <brobostigon> wicked,
[19:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: thanks :)
[19:39] <HazRPG> brobostigon: thanks :)
[19:39] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[19:39] <HazRPG> finally I feel I gave back a lil ^^,
[19:40] <HazRPG> granted, can't take full ownership since the base is google's version - but I think I done some good tweaks to it :)
[19:40]  * brobostigon gets HazRPG a congratulatory beer
[19:40] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hurray :D
[19:40]  * HazRPG raises beer glass
[19:40]  * brobostigon joins in.
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> congratulatory beer? count me in!
[19:41]  * brobostigon gets MartijnVdS one.
[19:46] <HazRPG> \o/
[19:47]  * HazRPG wondering if there's actually a need for an RSS subscribe addon to open up juice
[20:09] <gord> popey, maps don't seem to be generating :(
[20:10] <popey> yeah, supressed for a bit because they were bogging down and possibly causing lag
[20:10] <popey> did you notice any?
[20:10] <gord> nope
[20:10] <gord> do you not run the map gen with nice?
[20:11] <brobostigon> gammon, yummy, :)
[20:12] <gord> grass still hasn't grown far enough... left it for two hours already!
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> it's like watching grass grow/paint dry/etc.
[20:16] <popey> gord: hmm, nice idea
[20:17] <popey> GEDDIT!
[20:23] <popey> \o/ gord
[20:23] <popey> gord:
[20:23] <popey> gord:
[20:23] <popey> gord:
[20:23] <popey> :)
[20:23] <gord> you broke the server?
[20:23] <popey> minecraft, fullscreen in unity. IT R FIXED!
[20:23] <gord> oh cool
[20:23] <gord> wonder what went wrong
[20:23] <popey> oh, server broke?
[20:24] <gord> i alt tabbed back and i was disconnected, tried to connect and can't log in it seems
[20:24] <popey> it seems "busy"
[20:24] <popey> i blame you for recommending nice -19 :)
[20:24] <popey> "oops"
[20:25] <dogmatic69> hows the pizza?
[20:25] <popey> not arrived yet
[20:25] <gord> i didn't say nice -19!
[20:25] <popey> how do you specify +19?
[20:25] <gord> nice -n19
[20:25] <popey> ahh
[20:25] <popey> swapping its poor little heart out
[20:26] <gord> i'm not supprised :)
[20:26] <gord> "stop running the kernel! need to generate maps!!!"
[20:28] <popey> should be okay now
[20:29] <gord> ah there it goes
[20:29] <popey> unity fail
[20:30] <popey> well, sloppy focus fail
[20:30] <popey> i should turn that off
[20:32] <dogmatic69> popey: when did you start that map?
[20:32] <dogmatic69> before the updates or after?
[20:40] <czajkowski> hmm I am all out of something nice to eat ;( no goodies
[20:41]  * czajkowski needs treats 
[20:41]  * brobostigon scp's czajkowski some of his chocolate buttons.
[20:42] <gord> chocolate buttons are so great
[20:42] <czajkowski> :D
[20:42]  * Darael looks disappointed that brobostigon used scp - now he can't intercept them.
[20:43] <brobostigon> hehe, :)
[20:59] <brobostigon> is there a prog i can use for google latitude, without acutally using google's latitude app. ?
[21:02] <HazRPG> what sort of things are you wanting that latitude provide?
[21:02] <Neoti> hey anyone use Trixbox/asterisk/freepbx?
[21:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: friend location, and broadcastof mylocation. without the massive battery drain.
[21:04] <HazRPG> ah, is that on the android?
[21:04] <brobostigon> yes
[21:05] <brobostigon> 2.2.1
[21:08]  * MartijnVdS has 2.2.2
[21:08] <brobostigon> :(
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: on Nexus One
[21:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: htc dream.
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> is that the G1?
[21:10] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:10]  * MartijnVdS strokes his Nexus
[21:10] <brobostigon> samething, justdifferent names.
[21:10]  * brobostigon also strokes his g1
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> gave my magic to my dad
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> he has 2.2.x now as well
[21:10]  * brobostigon wouldnt say no to a donated upgrade.
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you're a bit young to be my dad, sorry :P
[21:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: very true, iamsure, :)
[21:41] <czajkowski> popey: did you ever have a job working with trains
[21:50] <popey> czajkowski: nope :)
[21:51] <czajkowski> popey: just a child hood love :)
[22:19] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmmm, trying to find something for ya but can't see to find anything, you could always try to make your own?
[22:19] <HazRPG> the API's are out there
[22:19] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I have a Nexus One too :)
[22:20] <HazRPG> well worth the import :)
[22:20] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i thought so, iihavent found anything either.
[22:22] <AlanBell> tax return done \o/
[22:24] <brobostigon> :)
[22:25] <HazRPG> \o/
[22:26]  * AlanBell rewards himself with a hot chocolate with Baileys
[22:27] <brobostigon> yummy,
[22:29] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ^5
[22:29] <AlanBell> ^5
[22:30] <Azelphur> Oh dear, anonymous just declared open season on the UK police force
[22:30] <Azelphur> I think we're kinda screwed now
[22:30] <gord> oh noe, they might make a website go offline
[22:31] <Azelphur> lol
[22:31] <Azelphur> gord: or take out a call center, or start a huge protest
[22:31] <Azelphur> or DDoS a fax machine, who knows with those nutters. I'm sure they'll come up with something inventive.
[22:32] <brobostigon> or DDoS'ing the number10 website. who-ho.
[22:34] <gord> they never actually do anything big, they do one thing that gets them some attention then skulk off declaring victory even though nothing has changed
[22:35] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[22:36] <brobostigon> hmm,
[22:36] <brobostigon> !
[22:47] <drt494223> how can i extract the audio from flv files? (wanting to get youtube mp3 rips)
[22:47] <brobostigon> ffmpeg
[22:48] <gord> mplayer foobar.flv -dumpaudio
[22:48] <drt494223> danke ,
[22:49]  * brobostigon implors gord to say bitte,
[22:51] <drt494223> didnt work :(   it creates a file called stream.data  ; not playable by mplayer
[22:59] <ali1234> drt494223: i've used ffmpeg for that before, let me check ...
[22:59] <ali1234> specifically i decomposed a flv to wav audio and png sequence so i could put it back together and have the audio stay in sync
[23:00] <drt494223> i tried using ffmpeg just now,   with this cmdline : ffmpeg -i bqpXy991dGY.flv  -f mp3 -vn -acodec copy ouputfile.mp3
[23:00] <drt494223> file outputfile.mp3 says its an audio file, but still mplayer cant play it
[23:01] <drt494223> ali1234: how would i do that?
[23:01] <ali1234> hmmmmmmm my usb drive has gone funny
[23:01] <brobostigon> drt494223: have youtried toplay it with vlc , which uses ffmpeg.
[23:04] <drt494223> brobostigon: didnt work
[23:05] <brobostigon> drt494223: have you got ubuntu-restricted-extras installed.
[23:06] <drt494223> brobostigon: how to check?
[23:06] <brobostigon> drt494223: in synaptic, searchfor it, and it will tell you.
[23:07] <drt494223> i have ....buntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted   in sources.list
[23:08] <brobostigon> drt494223: ubuntu-restricted-extras is a package, not a repo.
[23:10] <drt494223> brobostigon: ok, its installed now
[23:12] <brobostigon> drt494223: it inscludes packages for restrcited formats, hence the name,like mp3, which is according to dfsg a restricted format.
[23:13] <drt494223> well i managed it now with this:   ffmpeg -i bqpXy991dGY.flv -acodec copy bqpXy991dGY.aac
[23:13] <drt494223> thnx all
[23:14] <brobostigon> you're welcome drt494223.
[23:15]  * brobostigon rocks out to hendrix, (bbc4)
[23:16] <brobostigon> :( only one song.
[23:53] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well all.
[23:53] <BigRedS> g'night brobostigon!
[23:54] <brobostigon> nos da BigRedS