[00:00] <dougal_> but will investigate more
[00:00] <dougal_> thanks.
[00:00] <karni> dougal_: I don't know how's that possible. Perhaps something changed in other version, I'm running 10.04. but I would'nt expect
[00:00] <karni> any chages though..
[00:00] <karni> dougal_: np, yw
[00:01] <dougal_> yup - that was gonna be my question :-)  Have the token attributes changed, or do I not have the right key...  i'm 10.04 too.
[00:03] <karni> good night!
[07:48] <Geoffrey2> for some reason, I cannot get a "synchronize this folder" option when I right click on a folder, is there some file that needs to be installed?
[11:39] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:31] <nessita> ralsina: I found a bug in ussoc (bug #709200) that we need to resolve before alpha2, so I paused my ongoing task and I'm working on a fix
[12:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709200 in ubuntu-sso-client "Service quits even if ref count is not zero (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709200
[12:31]  * ralsina looks
[12:31] <ralsina> ok, yes, that needs fixing
[12:37] <duanedesign> ralsina: cool you are doing a user day session
[12:37] <ralsina> duanedesign: yes. I have noida what that is
[12:37] <ralsina> duanedesign: any tips? ;-)
[12:37] <ralsina> s/noida/no idea/
[12:37] <ralsina> I even volunteered!
[12:38] <duanedesign> ralsina: my first IRC session I ran out of time
[12:38] <duanedesign> :P
[12:38] <duanedesign> and had to hurry through the last half of my talk
[12:39] <ralsina> duanedesign: maybe I should write it down, paste it at the beginning and go away while everyone reads ;-)
[12:40] <duanedesign> haha
[12:42] <ralsina> Anyway, I once joked I could talk 45 minutes about anything in public. Hopefully that also works for IRC
[12:42] <duanedesign> ralsina: i think a brief overview of features, an introduction to the u1sdtool and perhaps rye's U1-indicator and magiccicada
[12:42] <ralsina> duanedesign: sounds good. Maybe mention some of the things we are working on, too.
[12:43] <duanedesign> i see that asked a lot. How do I get more info about what is going on?
[12:43] <duanedesign> ralsina: yeah that is a good idea
[12:43] <ralsina> ok, yes, that should fill an hour
[12:44] <ralsina> I guess I will spend the day typing and asking people stuff then. yay!
[12:44] <duanedesign> :)
[12:44] <ralsina> Not that that would look any different from any other day, really ;-)
[12:56] <nigelb> ralsina: typing it and keeping ready is common ;)
[12:56] <nigelb> YOu can just talk about all the cool things about ubuntu one and the ubuntu one music store
[12:57] <ralsina> nigelb: I will
[12:57] <ralsina> nigelb: I had done a bazillion of these things, but never over IRC
[12:58] <duanedesign> nigelb is everywhere :)
[12:59] <nigelb> duanedesign: haha, I'm on far less places these days ;)
[12:59] <nigelb> ralsina: Its much more easier over IRC.
[12:59] <duanedesign> nigelb: yeah, I know the feeling :\
[13:00] <nigelb> duanedesign: I had far too many windows to be able to see all of them :?
[13:00] <nigelb> :/
[13:04] <rye> mandel, is it possible to set UDFs in ubuntuone-windows ?
[13:12] <ralsina> I wonder who I should ping to get the description here updated to something recent: https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-storage-protocol
[13:15] <alecu> hello!
[13:18] <ralsina> holaalecu
[13:37] <mandel> rye, no, currently is not possible, we only have the ability to sync the root folder, I'm working on it :)
[13:37] <rye> mandel, ok, thanks
[13:41] <alecu> vds, would you mind testing and reviewing the branch for this bug on lucid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/707983
[13:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707983 in ubuntuone-client "zeitgeist integration broken on Lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:42] <vds> alecu, I'm trying
[13:44] <nessita> ralsina: to lucio, chicharra 'owns' that project
[13:44] <ralsina> nessita: context?
[13:46] <nessita> (10:12:29 AM) ralsina: I wonder who I should ping to get the description here updated to something recent: https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-storage-protocol
[13:46] <ralsina> nessita: cool
[13:47]  * ralsina has the atention span of a teenage gnat
[13:48] <nessita> hehe
[13:49] <nessita> ralsina, someone else: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/no-quit-if-client/+merge/47806
[13:49] <nessita> we need that landed asap to build a ussoc package and make a release before alpha2
[13:50]  * ralsina looks
[13:56] <dobey> ralsina: what do you mean by "more recent" for that project's description?
[13:56] <ralsina> dobey: it says ubuntuone is in closed beta?
[13:57] <dobey> oh
[13:57] <dobey> right
[13:58] <dobey> now it doesn't
[13:58] <nessita> me
[13:58] <nessita> ah, 2 minutes left
[13:59] <ralsina> dobey: magic! ;-)
[14:00] <vds> me
[14:00] <mandel> me
[14:01] <nessita> ne
[14:01] <nessita> me
[14:01] <dobey> me
[14:03] <nessita> ralsina, alecu, thisfred?
[14:03] <nessita> CardinalFang?
[14:03] <ralsina> me
[14:03] <thisfred> me
[14:03] <ralsina> sorry, was on the phone
[14:03] <alecu> totally forgot
[14:03] <alecu> me
[14:04] <nessita> vds: go!
[14:04] <vds> DONE: fourth branch for #701029 landed fifth started
[14:04] <vds> TODO: continuing with the views
[14:04] <vds> BLOCKED:nope
[14:04] <vds> mandel: prego
[14:05] <mandel> DONE: Reduce the number of lines of code duplicated from the windows code. Fixed some issues that have been added to the branches when I merged with trunk.
[14:05] <mandel> TODO: propagate the changes to all windows branches. Put everything together.
[14:05] <mandel> BLOCK: no
[14:05] <mandel> nessita, please
[14:05] <nessita> DONE: reviews, a bit of desktopcouch debugging with chad (is not working yet :-(), more shares-subscription branch, added u1cp to the messaging menu (bug #708003).
[14:05] <nessita> TODO: fix bug #709200, also bug #704941 while I'm at it (branch already proposed). Really, finish shares-subscription.
[14:05] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[14:05] <nessita> HATE: the wrist pain I'm having today
[14:05] <nessita> NEXT: dobey
[14:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708003 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu One gone from the Me Menu on Natty (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708003
[14:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709200 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Service quits even if ref count is not zero (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709200
[14:05] <dobey> λ DONE: bug 708183, bug 675675, poked re: couchdb for lucid-backports
[14:05] <dobey> λ TODO: 3rd party apis?, evaluate SRUs for maverick, bug hunting
[14:05] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 704941 in ubuntu-sso-client "Test failure (possible interference between tests depending on the order) (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704941
[14:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708183 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/status_listener.py: No module named status.aggregator (affects: 33) (dups: 29) (heat: 258)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708183
[14:05] <dobey> ralsina
[14:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 675675 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add a property CouchDatabaseBase.server that returns the ._server attribute (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675675
[14:05] <ralsina> DONE: reviews, weekly call, did my canonicaladmin work, read code.
[14:05] <ralsina> TODO: prepare UbuntuDays thing, reviews, management stuff, someday actual coding ;-)
[14:05] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[14:05] <ralsina> LOVE: Les Luthiers
[14:05] <ralsina> HATES: $100 cab fares to come back from the theater
[14:05] <ralsina> thisfred!
[14:05] <thisfred> DONE: messaging/notification wrapup
[14:05] <thisfred> TODO: land messaging branch
[14:05] <thisfred> BLOCKED: no!
[14:05] <thisfred> alecu!
[14:05] <alecu> DONE: fought mumble, weekly meeting, tested new folders branch IRL, found some issues, fixes.
[14:05] <alecu> TODO: spec for less annoying bubbles, branch to show new folders events in messaging menu
[14:05] <alecu> BLOCKED: branch to fix lucid pending a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/disable-zg-on-lucid/+merge/47549
[14:06] <alecu> comments?
[14:06] <ralsina> chad is leaving for mobile next week, but vds is not until one week later
[14:06] <nessita> we miss CardinalFang
[14:06] <alecu> ralsina, lutherapia? +1
[14:06] <nessita> desktopcouch seems not to be working yet
[14:06] <thisfred> nasty mobile hobbitses
[14:07] <ralsina> alecu: +1 indeed
[14:07] <thisfred> stealing our precious chads
[14:07] <nessita> thisfred: take them down!
[14:07] <ralsina> Isn't the chad some sort of fish?
[14:07] <nessita> ralsina: any news about the potential sprint?
[14:08] <mandel> guy, I wont be here in an hour, I need to go to the vet (for the dog, not me), will be back asap
[14:08] <ralsina> nessita: all I saw was Chipaca saying "I'll tell ralsina to start on it" and... well, he didn't ;-)
[14:08] <ralsina> nessita: but I suppose we will have one and it will be awesome?
[14:08] <thisfred> I think it's what comes out when you punch a hole in a piece of paper
[14:08] <Chipaca> or maybe we won't, and I'll blame you for that instead
[14:08] <dobey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADCLE2-7bx0
[14:10] <thisfred> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=chad
[14:11] <nessita> ralsina: I love sprints, they are awesome. And I think we can make awesome things in it. My biggest concern will be location, since april is teaching time and is a bit complicated to me to ask for licenses (specially if I travel to UDS again in May, but who knows)
[14:11] <ralsina> Chipaca: I'll try my best to make it happen boss! My mother in law has a house near Orlando ;-)
[14:11] <dobey> thisfred: the logo for that reminds me of http://whattheduck.com
[14:12] <Chipaca> ralsina: I suspect orlando wil be the cheaper location, but feel free to investigate other options
[14:12] <ralsina> Chipaca: so I expect to work from disneyworld for a week or so, if it's in Orlando.
[14:12] <ralsina> Chipaca: will do.
[14:12] <dobey> please stay away from disney
[14:12] <dobey> downtown ftw
[14:13] <ralsina> nessita: Buenos Aires is just as bad as Orlando for you,right?
[14:13] <mandel> wait! and what about the poor guy in barcelona!!!
[14:13] <nessita> ralsina: not really, I was planning on travel to cordoba the day I have to teach
[14:13] <mandel> todo esta a tomar por saco de aqui!
[14:13] <ralsina> dobey: Idon't think they let you get near any actual disneys ;-) And I have a 3yo boy. He's coming to visit granny (if it's orlando)
[14:13] <thisfred> How about baltimore? It's lovely in April :)
[14:13] <Chipaca> mandel: if doing it in panama is cheaper, and you have somebody on the ground there to confirm the hotel and the wifi, go for it
[14:13] <nessita> ralsina: ideally I would have to teach MOnday morning, so I can arrive to BA Monday afternoon
[14:13] <Chipaca> um
[14:13] <Chipaca> ralsina: ^
[14:14] <dobey> ralsina: UDS was right around the corner from disney
[14:14] <thisfred> PANAMA!
[14:14] <ralsina> Chipaca: whoa, nice idea
[14:14] <dobey> ralsina: the hotel had daily shuttles to it
[14:14] <mandel> Chipaca: I can confirm in barcelona, is not that good enough?
[14:14] <mandel> :)
[14:14] <thisfred> Everything in Panama smells of banana's, I read it in a book
[14:14] <thisfred> bananas even
[14:14] <Chipaca> thisfred: is that a pro or a con?
[14:14] <dobey> thisfred: good, then there will be plenty of mixers for the rum :)
[14:14] <thisfred> a PRO!
[14:14] <nessita> PRO!
[14:14] <mandel> a CON == lost of jokes from me
[14:14] <ralsina> thisfred: and you know the bunchof ripe bananas hides the deadly black tarantula, right?
[14:15] <mandel> that is what she said ^
[14:15] <mandel> hehehehe
[14:15] <mandel> he
[14:15] <thisfred> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYTmAhU12_o
[14:15] <ralsina> ok, I'll checkair fares andhotel rates for a few places, will have a report on monday
[14:16] <Chipaca> ralsina: ok. don't forget the meeting room
[14:16] <ralsina> nessita: you can always join on the 5th if we find the right planes and stuff
[14:16] <ralsina> Chipaca: it's the whole desktop+ team +you or is there anyone else?
[14:17] <nessita> ralsina: yeah, I guess I can always quit teaching (?)
[14:17] <Chipaca> ralsina: at least one somebody from design
[14:17] <mandel> thisfred: only dutch I understand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRUGGy9RVrM
[14:17] <mandel> thisfred: with the subtitles :)
[14:18] <thisfred> mandel: mine  was german :)
[14:18] <mandel> thisfred: for a latin, you all sound the same :)
[14:18] <ralsina> nessita: no, but if you have to teach on monday 4th and leave that night?
[14:19] <thisfred> obrigado! :P
[14:19] <mandel> but that last video, I know the song… in english :)
[14:19] <ralsina> Chipaca: possible origin of said design person?
[14:19] <Chipaca> ralsina: london
[14:19] <ralsina> Chipaca: and you will be at london as well
[14:20] <ralsina> So, how about... london? I guess we have a conf. room there already ;-)
[14:20] <nessita> ralsina: right, I still don't know what subject I'm teaching this semester so I don't know the schedule. I'll start emailing people to ask.
[14:20] <Chipaca> ralsina: :)
[14:20] <Chipaca> nessita: and yes, uds in may, in europe
[14:20] <dobey> ugh, london in april
[14:21] <ralsina> So, conference room for about 10 people with notebooks
[14:21] <dobey> fog and rain, and some more fog
[14:21] <Chipaca> april in paris
[14:21] <mandel> common, we could be in barcelona, hotels are cheaper than london, and food etc too :)
[14:21] <Chipaca> chestnuts in blossom
[14:21] <mandel> I'm being serious
[14:21] <dobey> tokyo
[14:21]  * mandel feels ignored...
[14:21] <dobey> cherry blossom festival
[14:21] <Chipaca> my problem with london is the same as my problem with buenos aires
[14:21] <ralsina> dobey: ohm yeah, tokyo should be soooo convenient ;-)
[14:21] <Chipaca> some of us are going to hate getting there
[14:22] <dobey> well, london is also insanely expensive
[14:22] <Chipaca> my problem with orlando is that some of us are going to love the affection poured on us by security
[14:22] <ralsina> Chipaca: Panama has the same security as Orlando, I think
[14:22] <nessita> Chipaca: did you mean I should schedule UDS in my agenda? (the sooner I get that info, the better I can manage my compromisos)
[14:22] <dobey> Chipaca: that may change by april, i hope.
[14:22] <Chipaca> nessita: yes
[14:23] <Chipaca> dobey: yes?
[14:23] <nessita> ack
[14:23] <nessita> is the UDS date already set?
[14:23] <Chipaca> all of you should pretty much plan on going to uds. We might then cull some if it gets too expensive, but it's easier to not go when you already had the thing arranged than viceversa.
[14:23] <dobey> Chipaca: apparently some airports aren't even running the new scanners, even though they have them set up and everything
[14:23] <ralsina> Ok, I'll check orlando, barcelona, buenos aires, panama.
[14:24] <Chipaca> ralsina: playa del carmen!
[14:24] <Chipaca> don't forget playa del carmen
[14:24] <nessita> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/UDS/O
[14:24] <ralsina> Chipaca: I*may* know the manager of a resort at Punta Cana.
[14:24] <nessita> WHEN: 9-13 May
[14:24] <dobey> Chipaca: and there's some more scrutiny coming from some members of congress
[14:24] <Chipaca> ralsina: there you go
[14:24] <dobey> so hopefully they stop the nonsense soon
[14:24] <Chipaca> dobey: that's good to know
[14:24] <nessita> there are people with flights already booked!!!
[14:25] <nessita> (for UDS)
[14:25] <Chipaca> dobey: it's a racket, and it's strange because the us have usually been able to avoid rackets in the government (compared to other less fortunate governments)
[14:25]  * ralsina really needs to cash his paycheck and book something
[14:25] <dobey> Chipaca: i don't know about that. but i think they've tended to keep the rackets out of the public and behind the doors.
[14:26] <thisfred> I was gonna say
[14:26] <mandel> ralsina: by girlfriend work in a hotel chain, I can ask her to take a look for you in barcelona
[14:26] <ralsina> mandel: please!
[14:26] <Chipaca> dobey: hah
[14:26] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, probably
[14:26] <mandel> ralsina: will do :)
[14:26] <Chipaca> dobey: but that also puts a cap on how egregious they can be
[14:27] <dobey> yeah, they've generally kept it to military/government related things, as opposed to entrenching upon the public
[14:27] <Chipaca> dobey: in this here country because of a combination of industry subsidies and such, we were (are?) actually paying international corporations to take gold out of the country. Actual gold.
[14:27] <ralsina> Radical idea: Brazil. Since we would be in the hotel most of the time, security should not be an issue. It's in the geographically weighted median point of our locations.
[14:27] <dobey> well, it's no platinum.
[14:28] <nessita> ralsina: if e
[14:28] <ralsina> Chipaca: were.
[14:28] <thisfred> Well, the corporations have won, I don't think there's any government on earth that can stand up to them, except maybe China...
[14:28] <nessita> oops
[14:28] <dobey> actually, orlando is the median
[14:28] <nessita> brb
[14:28] <ralsina> dobey: nope, cuba. But that's out of the question ;-)
[14:28] <Chipaca> rats
[14:29] <dobey> i would ♥ cuba
[14:29]  * Chipaca too
[14:29] <dobey> but i just have to fly through canada and have a fake secondary passport
[14:29] <Chipaca> but... internet
[14:29] <thisfred> Chipaca:  http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/12/invaders-from-mars.html
[14:29] <ralsina> I expect getting into cuba would be a pain for the USAians?
[14:29] <dobey> Chipaca: also, something about a trade embargo :(
[14:29] <dobey> ralsina: well, there's always JAMAICA :)
[14:29] <dobey> or bermuda
[14:29] <ralsina> Chipaca: we would have to ask for bzr checkouts by email and such
[14:30] <ralsina> ok, so adding "random caribbean island"
[14:30] <thisfred> costa rica, also? :)
[14:30] <dobey> ralsina: Bermuda or Bahamas are good for me
[14:30] <dobey> airtran flys to them
[14:30] <dobey> or San Juan, PR
[14:30] <ralsina> And on April the caribbean should be cheapish
[14:31] <dobey> caribbean is always cheap because most travellers to it are on cruises
[14:32] <dobey> hmm
[14:33] <ralsina> Ok, I have more than enough ideas now, I think.
[14:33] <dobey> ralsina: http://www.airtran.com/route-map/city_information.aspx <- any of those caribbean cities are great for me :)
[14:34] <dobey> but you can drop bermuda off the list. seasonal flights are pain
[14:34] <ralsina> Punta Cana is where I know the resort guy.
[14:34] <dobey> make it happen :)
[14:34]  * ralsina starts fudging the figures
[14:47] <nessita> ralsina: any news on the review?
[14:47] <ralsina> nessita: got sidetracked. I'll check it right now
[14:48] <nessita> alecu: would you be available for a high priority bug fix review?
[14:51] <alecu> nessita, sure
[14:52] <nessita> alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/no-quit-if-client/+merge/47806
[14:52] <alecu> nessita, on  it
[14:52] <alecu> vds, I've pushed a fix for the branch that should let the tests run on lucid. Would you mind re-reviewing?
[14:53] <vds> alecu, sure
[14:54] <alecu> vds, just a sec. Got a problem while running make check
[14:57] <ralsina> nessita: +1 on the branch
[14:57] <nessita> ralsina: thanks!
[14:58] <ralsina> Are the Radisson hotels expensive? Because they have an awesome proposal generator
[14:58] <nessita> no idea
[14:59] <nessita> ralsina: not sure if you're allowed to, but marianna is the expert on organizing events (sprints, rallys, UDSs) so you may ping her for advice/help?
[14:59] <ralsina> nessita: will do!
[14:59] <dobey> ralsina: you should be discussing with marianna, indeed
[15:00] <nessita> ralsina: you know who marianna is? :-)
[15:00] <nessita> I can introduce you to her, if not
[15:00] <ralsina> nessita: yes, she's pissed at me because I forgot to tell her I was not going to Dallas.
[15:00] <ralsina> nessita: so, while not in the best way, we have been introduced :-(
[15:00] <nessita> ouch
[15:03] <dobey> heh
[15:06] <ralsina> Quick, what's the problem in this image: http://screencast.com/t/gCl7xiHM
[15:07] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: ping
[15:07] <nessita> The May Fair is not a Radisson?
[15:07] <nessita> no
[15:07] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, hi
[15:07] <ralsina> nessita: look at the cities
[15:08] <nessita> London, Maryland?
[15:08] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: still getting a traceback in destkopcouch-replication.log
[15:08] <nessita> everything is on Maryland
[15:08] <ralsina> Except Florida :-)
[15:08] <nessita> right
[15:08]  * ralsina loves guessing at what the bug in their code is
[15:08] <ralsina> They are not clearing the state field when iterating :-)
[15:10] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, me too.  I'm trying to see what's wrong from the server end.
[15:10] <ralsina> And their response mail says "Note: You must use Microsoft Internet Explorer, version 5.0 or higher.  Mozilla, Netscape, AOL and other browsers are not compatible with the StarCite Online RFP response system.
[15:10] <ralsina> "
[15:10] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: I'm on 1.0.5+r261~natty1 and I see r262 is available. Could it make a difference?
[15:10] <nessita> ralsina: we're not going there, then
[15:11]  * Chipaca upgrades just in case
[15:11] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, incidetally, #couchdb doesn't want to talk to me until I try new couchdb release to see if it works.  You were playing with a newer version, I think.  Do you have it handy?
[15:11] <dobey> ralsina: well at least it will work on Mac OS 9 still
[15:12] <Chipaca> nice, gnome-session crashed
[15:13] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: no, I wasn't playing with it, I was toying with it in my mind
[15:13] <CardinalFang> Ah.
[15:13] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: while similar, I'm afraid the difference will disappoint you.
[15:14] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: which version do they want you to try?
[15:14] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, FWIW, I made my own, but it crashes deeper than I want to look.
[15:14] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: well, tell 'em that :)
[15:14] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, they're releasing/released 1.0.2 now.
[15:14] <nessita> Chipaca, CardinalFang: do we have a support contract with coucdb people? if so, how come they 'won't talk to us' until we use the new version?
[15:14] <beuno> PowerSocketFailure?
[15:14] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: remind them that we have patches to make it work with the libmozjs we're shipping :)
[15:15] <Chipaca> nessita: we have a support contract with couch one, yes. I'm assuming it isn't an *actual* threat
[15:15] <dobey> oh, i am supposed to ask mandel something
[15:15]  * dobey wonders what it was
[15:16] <Chipaca> dobey: related to the sea? mandel knows a lot about it.
[15:16] <Chipaca> dobey: especially about the more scatological aspects of maritime life
[15:16] <nessita> Chipaca: to me, it seems ridiculous that people that is contacrted to will not help us :-( what if we can't ship 1.0.2 in natty? no matter the tries we make, we need 1.0.1 (or whatever version is) working
[15:17] <dobey> no, it was not about narwhal feces
[15:17] <Chipaca> nessita: you see that? that's you, overreacting
[15:17] <dobey> it was about the removal of u1sync from ubuntuone-client
[15:17] <CardinalFang> ralsina, send her flowers or something.  You want marianna on your side!
[15:17] <nessita> Chipaca: is the second time that CardinalFang says this. He's having this issue for days now, if I undersood correctly
[15:18] <nessita> Chipaca: so, you think that having delays of days because we can't get help from people we're paying to help is ok?
[15:18] <CardinalFang> Well, since morning yesterday.
[15:18] <dobey> ah right
[15:18] <dobey> hooray scrollback
[15:19] <dobey> mandel: u1-windows-installer has a separate copy of u1sync right? and it has some changes that aren't in the version that's in ubuntuone-client?
[15:20] <ralsina> CardinalFang: I will just try to be my adorable self.
[15:20] <CardinalFang> Uh oh.
[15:20] <ralsina> CardinalFang: I am all fuzzy and nice! Specially fuzzy.
[15:20] <nessita> Chipaca: I'm really interested in your opinion, so I can evaluate adjusting my thresholds taking into account others point of view
[15:22] <alecu> nessita, the branch does what's supposed to do, but I think the timeouts should not be "ignored when they happen" but instead "cancelled when they are no longer needed"
[15:22] <alecu> nessita, http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/gobject-functions.html#function-gobject--source-remove
[15:22] <alecu> nessita, I'll approve, but I'd like to see a bugfix for that.
[15:23] <nessita> alecu: that makes sense, I looked in the doc for a 'timeout_remove' but didn't find any. Thanks! :-)
[15:24] <alecu> nessita, running tests now.
[15:24] <Chipaca> session crashed again
[15:24] <Chipaca> trying a different one
[15:24] <alecu> vds, I've pushed the fixed branch
[15:25] <dobey> ralsina: i'm late, but maybe Radisson doesn't realize that Maryland is no longer part of the UK?
[15:25] <dobey> :)
[15:26] <dobey> and don't listen to thisfred. it will still be snowing in MD come April
[15:27] <thisfred> dobey: no way, march/april is really the nicest time of year here
[15:27] <thisfred> well, or september/october
[15:27] <Chipaca> thisfred: CardinalFang: is it time to revisit the "should we ship 1.0.2 in natty" question?
[15:27] <thisfred> Chipaca: it's released now for one thing
[15:28] <thisfred> I think
[15:28] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, only if 1.0.2 fixes my problem.
[15:28] <thisfred> CardinalFang any progress on the bug you were hunting yesterday?
[15:28] <thisfred> ah so, not yet
[15:28] <Chipaca> thisfred: yes, it's released: http://couchdb.apache.org/downloads.html
[15:28] <dobey> thisfred: i bet baltimurder gets snow this april
[15:29] <thisfred> dobey: I'll take that bet, I think it was high 80s last year
[15:30] <thisfred> http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USMD0018_f.html
[15:30] <thisfred> so it's possible, but unlikely
[15:31] <vds> alecu, https://pastebin.canonical.com/42488/
[15:33] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: I
[15:33] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: 'll look into building a build of 1.0.2
[15:35] <dobey> i thought thisfred said he was going to try building 1.0.2?
[15:36] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, okay.  the 1.9 xulrunner-dev is now virtual and pulls us to -2.0-dev.
[15:37] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, and the source-packaging branch is out of date.
[15:37] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: the apt-get source, or the bzr branch ubuntu:couchdb?
[15:37] <kklimonda> hmm, any idea why u1sdtool --waiting-c throws UnicodeError: String parameters to be sent over D-Bus must be valid UTF-8 ?
[15:37] <CardinalFang> Chipaca,  lp:ubuntu/... is old.
[15:37] <thisfred> dobey I did, but I won't stand in anyone else's way ;)
[15:38] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: right (lp:ubuntu/.. is ubuntu:, and is often a little behind, sadly)
[15:38] <alecu> nessita, approved.
[15:38] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, there's a bigger problem and a bug filed.  dobey and I are subscribed to it.
[15:38] <dobey> Chipaca, CardinalFang: if it's behind what's actually in ubuntu, you should ping the udd guys about it, because there's probably an issue blocking the imports
[15:39] <dobey> or i guess there already is a bug for it
[15:39] <CardinalFang> :)
[15:39] <Chipaca> ah, glad to know that
[15:39] <dobey> i can't keep up with bug emails
[15:39] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: is it behind only in changes under debian/ ?
[15:40] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, er, the sources are in that branch, if that's what you're asking.
[15:41] <alecu> nessita, and also assigned new bug 709301 to you.
[15:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709301 in ubuntu-sso-client "Shutdown timeouts should be cancelled, not ignored (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709301
[15:41] <nessita> alecu: thanks!
[15:43] <alecu> dobey, vds is running "make check" on lucid, and getting this u1trial error: https://pastebin.canonical.com/42488/
[15:43] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, my failed attempt from yesterday:  http://sandbox.chad.org/couchdb-1.0.2-debian/
[15:44] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, note, most patches are unneeded, but there are two "--old" that I was unsure about.
[15:44] <alecu> ralsina, catching up with the backlog, I see that you mention Panamá. While I'm not strongly opposed to that, both you and nessita should know that we need to have some vaccines in order to enter Panamá
[15:45] <dobey> alecu: weird.
[15:45] <ralsina> alecu: yes, yellow fever, right?
[15:45] <alecu> ralsina, right. Not a nice vaccine, you know.
[15:45] <dobey> vds: seems like dbus-daemon isn't starting, perhaps becuase the path is too long?
[15:45] <ralsina> alecu: actually I had it two years ago :-)
[15:46]  * CardinalFang requires coffee.  brb
[15:47] <dobey> weird though
[15:47] <ralsina> dobey: surprisingly, Buenos Aires is not in the tropics.
[15:48] <dobey> nope it's temperate
[15:48] <vds> dobey, alecu then what do we do? :)
[15:49] <dobey> vds: copy the tree to /tmp/foo or something short like that, and re-run autogen.sh and make check there, and let me know if it still works
[15:50] <dobey> err, still fails
[16:00] <Chipaca> thisfred: have you been able to build 1.0.2?
[16:01] <thisfred> Chipaca: have not tried
[16:01] <Chipaca> thisfred: ah
[16:01] <thisfred> I was waiting for an official release and possible retraction, as has happened the past few times
[16:02] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: I get errors even with 'make', pointing at xulrunner's 2.0 js
[16:02] <thisfred> I'm very proactively lazy
[16:02] <thisfred> Chipaca: did you do the whole configure -with-xulrunner-* dance?
[16:03] <Chipaca> thisfred: ./configure --with-js-include=/usr/include/xulrunner-2.0b10/ --with-js-lib=/usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0b10/
[16:03] <Chipaca> thisfred: that ^ ?
[16:04] <thisfred> yeah that
[16:05] <thisfred> Chipaca:  shouldn't those be -dev though?
[16:05] <Chipaca> thisfred: nope, the packages are -dev
[16:05] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, http://sandbox.chad.org/couchdb-1.0.2-debian/rules
[16:06] <thisfred> oh right
[16:08] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: ah
[16:08] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, at least, my "make" didn't error.  I still had problems at runtime.
[16:16] <Chipaca> nessita: do you get prompted to subscribe to UDFs when signing in on a new machine?
[16:20] <nessita> Chipaca: if you add a new machine from the control panel, once logged in, you get the panel opened in the Folders tab
[16:20] <nessita> not sure if that means 'prompt' for you, but is what we decided to do in UDS
[16:21] <nessita> Chipaca: if you want, I can easily add a message dialog popping up in that particular case (I don't think design people will be happy)
[16:21] <nessita> bah, none of us like popups, I guess
[16:24] <dobey> lunch, bbiab
[16:24] <Chipaca> nessita: I ask because of http://askubuntu.com/q/23715/711
[16:24] <Chipaca> nessita: when you say "you get the panel opened in the Folders tab", what do you mean?
[16:26] <Chipaca> nessita: and, are there any other ways of adding a new machine, and if so, what do we do about them?
[16:26] <nessita> Chipaca: the control panel morphs itself into the management main notebook, and the FOlders tab is automatically selected
[16:27] <nessita> Chipaca: anyone using ussoc can 'add a machine' to U1
[16:27] <Chipaca> nessita: right, I'm fine with it not being great for dbus hackers
[16:28] <Chipaca> nessita: if somebody does u1sdtool -c, say
[16:28] <Chipaca> nessita: do they get the ussoc prompt?
[16:28] <nessita> Chipaca: yes, as requested by some people here. But if syncdaemon tries to connect without explicit request, it will not add the machine
[16:29] <nessita> Chipaca: so, u1sdtool -s will not add it, u1sdtool -c will
[16:29] <Chipaca> nessita: ok
[16:30] <Chipaca> nessita: would it be reasonable for u1sdtool to detect the case and print out a message to inform users?
[16:30] <Chipaca> nessita: (might be hard to do, but also sounds like the right thing to do)
[16:31] <nessita> Chipaca: what would u1sdtool print? 'use the control panel to subscribe to folders since we no longer autosubscribe them'
[16:31] <Chipaca> nessita: a more userfriendly version of that, yes
[16:31] <nessita> sure
[16:32] <nessita> Chipaca: u1sdtool could just open the u1cp in the folders tab:
[16:32] <nessita> ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk --switch_to=folders
[16:32] <nessita> Chipaca: though that may be a little but invasive?
[16:34] <Chipaca> nessita: yeah
[16:35] <nessita> Chipaca: ideally, users will not need to use u1sdtool anymore
[16:35] <Chipaca> nessita: we still have people trying to use u1sync --auth
[16:35] <Chipaca> nessita: it's documented in too many places to go away before the next lts
[16:37] <nessita> wow, I wasn't aware of that
[16:37] <nessita> is that even working?
[16:38] <vds> dobey, alecu same problem with dbus in /tmp
[16:39] <Chipaca> nessita: no, it isn't working :)
[16:40] <Chipaca> nessita: dobey: we could ship a u1sync that is a sh script that calls ussoc, that only takes --auth :)
[16:40] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: ^ ?
[16:41] <nessita> Chipaca: why no call the u1cp?
[16:41] <Chipaca> nessita: yeah, that
[16:41] <nessita> make u1sync an 'alias' for u1cp-gtk
[16:42] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: we really don't want people using u1sync though...i realize it's out there in the wild and references are made to it, but it's not helping matters imo
[16:43] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: precisely. So we could ship it such that it just prints out "please don't use this", or it could additionally open u1cp-gtk
[16:44] <Chipaca> otherwise, I can see the posts "i couldn't find it, so i grabbed it off this old copy and it ATE MY DOG"
[16:44] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: right, so putting in that placeholder seems like a good plan
[16:49] <Chipaca> dobey: whaddya think?
[16:49] <Chipaca> ah, I think he thinks lunch is a good idea
[16:49] <Chipaca> I concur
[16:49] <Chipaca> bbiab
[16:51] <joshuahoover> heh
[16:52] <ralsina> Chipaca: dobey was all for killing it
[16:52] <ralsina> The only one that seems to be using it for something actually useful is lucio's team
[17:00] <nessita> lunchtime!
[17:01] <Chipaca> ralsina: *if* it's working (and I haven't tested it lately), it is useful for using u1 as a backup / server-side thing
[17:01] <Chipaca> ralsina: so I'm not sure if I would kill it entirely
[17:01] <Chipaca> ralsina: but we could split it into its own project, package it into universe, and use the alternatives system to make it all work
[17:08] <alecu> back
[17:08] <Chipaca> front
[17:09] <Chipaca> alecu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ITwUu_a20
[17:25] <nessita> leg
[17:25] <beuno> arm
[17:27] <nessita> CardinalFang: any news on the DC issues? (sorry to ping you so much, but alpha2 will be frozen next Monday/Tuesday)
[17:28] <nessita> we need a working desktopcouch...
[17:29] <CardinalFang> nessita, nothing yet.  I'm getting SEGVs in couchjs.
[17:29] <nessita> that's version 1.0.2, right?
[17:41]  * dobey reads the backlog
[17:43] <CardinalFang> nessita, no,  1.0.1-0ubuntu8 , which landed this morning.
[17:44] <ralsina> CardinalFang: could you try with 1.0.2? Because if that fixes it, then we just need to push for a new version.
[17:45] <dobey> Chipaca: my plan was to put it in its own project or move it to u1-servers where it's used for tests. but own project is probably better. though i wouldn't package it for narwhal. we can have nightlies builds, but i think we should try to get it out of the way asap
[17:49] <Chipaca> dobey: does it work?
[17:49] <Chipaca> ralsina: we haven't been able to build a working 1.0.2 yet
[17:50] <CardinalFang> ralsina, I started on 1.0.2 yesterday, but ran into problems.
[17:50] <ralsina> Chipaca CardinalFang: ouch
[17:50] <ralsina> CardinalFang: And you mentioned that to the couchdb support?
[17:52] <dobey> Chipaca: i don't know. it's practically unmaintained. and the windows version and the u1client version need to come back into alignment. putting it in a separate project makes that a bit easier
[17:52] <CardinalFang> I was working on (what I think is) an infinite loop in couchdb 1.0.1.   #couchdb told me to try 1.0.2, as it fixes something similar.
[17:52] <CardinalFang> ralsina, ^
[17:52] <ralsina> CardinalFang: right. But if 1.0.2 is not building, and we have a very limited timeframe before alpha2, make sure you mention that :-(
[18:03] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: ping, talking with jan in #couchdb
[18:14] <amorphous1> Hello folks...can someone guide me to debug a tomboy notes sync issue?
[18:23]  * pmatulis eats some chips
[18:33] <dobey> amorphous1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/HowDoIGetTomboySyncLogs
[18:35] <amorphous1> dobey, I got that. I have the Caught exception. Message: The remote server returned an error: (404) NOT FOUND
[18:35] <amorphous1> dobey, I already tried all the workarounds from the bug report
[18:36] <amorphous1> dobey, It won't work even on a fresh install
[18:38] <dobey> when do you get that error?
[18:38] <dobey> and which bug report?
[18:39] <amorphous1> when I hit the Synchronize Notes button
[18:39] <amorphous1> dobey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/575937
[18:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575937 in tomboy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't synchronize Tomboy Notes: Server returned 404 NOT FOUND (affects: 25) (dups: 5) (heat: 123)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:41] <thisfred> alecu: if you're around, I finally have a branch with working messaging menu
[18:41] <thisfred> It includes a manual test
[18:41] <amorphous1> dobey, I'll make a test using a livecd
[18:41] <thisfred> but it's in an ugly place: if __name__ == "__main__":
[18:42] <thisfred> I think I will take it out and put it in the merge proposal
[18:43] <dobey> amorphous1: hrmm. it seems to have worked for me just fine :-/
[18:44] <amorphous1> dobey, It doesn't work from the livecd..it's something wrong with mu ubuntuone profile then
[18:46] <dobey> amorphous1: maybe. i don't know enough about notes to help you any further unfortunately. let me see if someone else can
[18:46] <dobey> rodrigo_: ping
[18:46] <amorphous1> dobey, ok...thanks...
[18:52] <alecu> thisfred, nice!!!!
[18:53] <thisfred> alecu proposing now
[18:54] <thisfred> it's embarrassingly small. The main problem I was having is that the message disappears whenever the indicator object goes out of scope, so I was doing the right thing all along, just not seeing it :(
[18:54] <dobey> amorphous1: well, the europeans are all off now, and no response on irc yet, but i assigned the bug and asked for more input on there, so someone will hopefully poke at it soon
[18:56] <thisfred> alecu: (and others) https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/dammit-janet/+merge/47847
[18:58] <amorphous1> dobey, so it's rodrigo moya who deals with this?
[18:58] <dobey> amorphous1: rodrigo wrote a large part of the notes syncing, yes
[18:59] <amorphous1> dobey, ok then..thanks :)
[19:01] <nessita> thisfred: I'll review!
[19:12] <thisfred> nessita: you're gonna hate it
[19:13] <thisfred> I have not figured out a good way to test it. I think we'll test the higher level stuff that uses it
[19:13] <dobey> rye!
[19:14] <rye> dobey!
[19:14] <dobey> rye: amorphous1 is having some issues with syncing tomboy. bug 575937
[19:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575937 in tomboy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't synchronize Tomboy Notes: Server returned 404 NOT FOUND (affects: 25) (dups: 5) (heat: 130)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575937
[19:14] <dobey> rye: can you debug?
[19:16] <rye> dobey, this has been going on for quite a while. For some _unknown_ reason Tomboy tokens get physically removed from our database causing OAuth errors, I even wrote a work-around to reauth tomboy again and stuff this info into gconf, since I was not able to find any reference to token removal in api
[19:17] <dobey> rye: amorphous1 was saying he also got the issue when authing from a live cd :(
[19:19] <nessita> thisfred: AWESOME branch!
[19:19] <nessita> approved
[19:19] <thisfred> thx!
[19:19] <dobey> ok, need to reboot and check something in bios, and boot new kernel, brb
[19:19] <nessita> keep it coming!
[19:21] <amorphous1> rye I have the note files in .local/share and I can see them on the web. I have the same issue when using a live cd. It worked perfect for 6 months now
[19:22] <rye> amorphous1, live cd? when was the authorization last time
[19:23] <amorphous1> rye, 20 mintes ago
[19:23] <amorphous1> rye, I was on the licecd session, open tomboy, choose "Ubuntu One service"
[19:24] <amorphous1> rye, it said I'm connected and that I can sync now...but then the same error
[19:25] <amorphous1> rye, 2 days ago I started to have problems after I modified one of the noted from the web interface note
[19:26] <amorphous1> rye, I modified the note from a computer that wasn't connected to ubuntuOne. I accessed it through firefox and then I tried to sync with tomboy on my main computer
[19:26] <amorphous1> rye, from that moment on I can't sync
[19:37] <rye> amorphous1, hmmm, is your file sync working? Which probably does not make sense on live cd...
[19:38] <rye> amorphous1, could you please open seahorse and see whether you have ubuntuone token there?
[19:39] <amorphous1> rye, I deleted the tokens in seahorse because I wanted to start fresh...
[19:39] <rye> amorphous1, hm, but tomboy caches the token info
[19:39] <rye> amorphous1, in its private gconf branch
[19:40] <amorphous1> rye, I have a Ubuntu One key in seahorse
[19:40] <amorphous1> rye, I could try the livecd with the Ubuntu One files
[19:43] <amorphous1> rye, the filesync works on the livecd...it's downloading the files...in tomboy I have the same error mess
[19:45] <rye> amorphous1, could you please open gconf-editor and navigate to /apps/tomboy/sync/ubuntuone and see whether that token info can match anything on https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/ ?
[19:47] <amorphous1> rye, the tokens are different
[19:47] <rye> amorphous1, i.e. the relevant string is oauth_token
[19:49] <amorphous1> rye, on the live-cd the tokens match
[19:49] <rye> amorphous1, on live-cd the token match yet you receive 404 ?
[19:50] <dobey> well even with an invalid token, it shouldn't 404
[19:50] <dobey> but maybe that is couchdb doing the 404
[19:53] <amorphous1> dobey, rye  on the live cd I have the same messages as on my main computer EXCEPT the 404
[19:53] <amorphous1> dobey, rye these 2 mess are consistent though: "Synchronization failed with the following exception: String was not recognized as a valid DateTime."
[19:53] <amorphous1> dobey, rye "GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed"
[19:54] <rye> amorphous1, great, serialization error
[19:54] <amorphous1> rye, so this is bad news?
[19:54] <rye> rodrigo_, is it possible for us to get some sort of simulated tomboy sync client? something that is not compiled?
[19:57] <dobey> rye: it's just http+oauth, should be easy to write one in python
[19:59] <rye> dobey, true
[20:02] <rye> amorphous1, so, i suspect that web ui stored the note in a format that is not supported by tomboy
[20:02] <rye> dobey, maaan, we need such kind of tests for notes sync, otherwise we will never get it working
[20:02] <rye> i need a cloning machine
[20:03] <dobey> we need such tests for everything; continuous integration would be a huge win
[20:03] <amorphous1> rye, Should I delete the one from the UI and then try to sync?
[20:04] <amorphous1> rye, it's the only note that I modified through the ui
[20:06] <rye> amorphous1, if that's acceptable (and you have the backup) - could you please try that?
[20:06] <amorphous1> rye, sure, 1sec
[20:11] <amorphous1> rye, dobey it works on the livecd. I've deleted the note that I modified throught the web UI
[20:11] <amorphous1> rye, what should I delete/remove from the other computer to make it work?
[20:12] <rye> amorphous1, in case your another computer fails with 404 error - that's missing token issue and reauthorization is needed
[20:16] <amorphous1> rye, dobey thanks guys
[20:17] <dobey> sure
[20:40] <alecu> anyone up for one more review? https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/listen-new-volumes/+merge/47843
[20:41] <nessita> alecu: did you fill a bug for the blank sso name?
[20:42] <alecu> nessita, no. What project should I fill it with?
[20:42] <alecu> nessita, sso server?
[20:43] <nessita> I'm filling it in achuni's project, can you please fill it in our ussoc?
[20:43] <alecu> sure!
[20:49] <alecu> nessita, #709494. should I assign it to you?
[20:49] <nessita> yes please
[20:53] <nessita> I filled bug #709496
[20:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709496 in canonical-identity-provider "Need a way to set the 'name' property for newly created accounts using REST API (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709496
[21:11] <vds> alecu, so what do I do with the branch in which dbus doesn't want to work? :)
[21:12] <alecu> vds, we should file a bug for u1trial, and let dobey know about it.
[21:13] <alecu> vds, can you try running tests on trunk on lucid, to see if they fail like that?
[21:13] <dobey> huh
[21:14] <vds> alecu, I could but it wasn't failing until the last update so I'm not sure how useful that would be...
[21:15] <alecu> vds, the last trunk update?
[21:15] <alecu> vds, I believe ubuntuone-client was changed to use u1trial not so long ago.
[21:15] <vds> alecu, last branch update, in which you fixed the tests
[21:16] <alecu> vds, well, the last pastebin you pasted looked like some problem when u1trial is starting dbus-daemon, so I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the ubuntuone-client code in my branch.
[21:17] <alecu> vds, so that's why I'd like to know if "make check" fails just like that on your lucid install.
[21:17] <vds> alecu, yes, I'm sure it is not related
[21:17] <alecu> oh, ok. sorry
[21:19] <dobey> vds: you could branch lp:ubuntuone-dev-tools and run ./run-tests in it
[21:20] <vds> alecu, dobey btw, if you have few minutes I could use a review here lp:~vds/ubuntuone-servers/filestorage_developers_rest_APIs_5
[21:20] <vds> dobey, same issue in that branch
[21:21] <vds> dobey, https://pastebin.canonical.com/42525/
[21:21] <dobey> ok, thanks
[21:35] <ralsina> Bad news about the sprint.
[21:36] <ralsina> It's in the middle of spring break. So... beach hotels are packed and expensive.
[21:36] <ralsina> That includes probably everything in the caribbean, and orlando.
[21:36] <nessita> Buenos Aires!!!
[21:36] <nessita> Good airs!
[21:37] <nessita> :-D
[21:37] <ralsina> nessita: and here I was hoping to travel somewhere some day ;-)
[21:37] <ralsina> I will have to ask marianne anyway, but that's what my contact in Punta Cana told me.
[21:39] <nessita> ah
[21:39] <nessita> ralsina: you get to go to Budapest, don't you?
[21:39] <ralsina> I suppose yes
[21:40] <nessita> ralsina: and, btw, you got your US visa?
[21:40] <nessita> I know that can be a pain
[21:40] <ralsina> nessita: still a work in progress
[21:40] <nessita> ralsina: well, you may need to consider that for the sprint...
[21:40] <nessita> if not buenos aires, another non-US location
[21:40] <ralsina> yes. It should be there for that date, but you never know.
[21:40] <nessita> right
[21:41] <dobey> ralsina: nobody goes to orlando for spring break
[21:41] <ralsina> dobey: well, that's good.
[21:42] <ralsina> But I really, really don't want to organize a sprint where I may not be able to attend :-(
[21:43] <dobey> ralsina: actually, we had a sprint last year the exact same week
[21:43] <dobey> the grand ole tri-virtual sprint thing
[21:43] <ralsina> dobey: don't know what that was. Was not around yet ;-)
[21:43] <dobey> ralsina: and it was in orlando.
[21:44] <dobey> ralsina: the usians went to orlando, the europeans went to london, and the argentines went to buenos aires
[21:44] <ralsina> ok, so orlando still is in the running. Too bad about going to a beach resort, though.
[21:44] <dobey> ralsina: for those on the desktop+ team
[21:44] <dobey> ralsina: going to the beach in florida would be expensive anyway, unless we had it in miami or ft. lauderdale
[21:45] <ralsina> dobey: yes. I was hoping somewhere in the caribbean would be cheap enough.
[21:45] <ralsina> dobey: less homeland security, for instance.
[21:46] <dobey> eh
[21:46] <dobey> not for us
[21:46] <dobey> downtown orlando isn't too bad, if we do go there
[21:48] <ralsina> dobey: well, US citizens are a clear minority :-)
[21:48] <ralsina> it's 4 europeans, 3 args, 3 US, if I count correctly.
[21:49] <dobey> that doesn't seem clear, or a minority :)
[21:50] <dobey> and if any of the europeans have to layover in the US, they probably have to deal with tsa anyway
[21:53] <ralsina> dobey: 4 out of 10?
[21:54] <ralsina> you are a minority specifically about "how much TSA we all get if we move it outside the US" :-)
[21:54] <ralsina> IN the US: 6, OUT: 4 ;-)
[21:54] <dobey> depending on flights
[21:55] <ralsina> dobey: yes, that is correct
[21:56] <ralsina> But for example, for Barcelona, it's 6/4
[21:56] <ralsina> For anywhere in Europe, really.
[21:56] <ralsina> Same for Argentina
[21:56] <ralsina> Not the same for central america
[21:56] <dobey> and it doesn't matter
[21:57] <ralsina> dobey: no, it really doesn't. If it's cheaper, it'll be Orlando anyway :-)
[21:57] <ralsina> And I pretty much expect it will be cheapest.
[21:58] <nessita> ralsina: chuaper than Argentina? weird
[21:58] <nessita> cheaper*
[21:58] <ralsina> nessita: traveling here is expensive for everyone but us.
[21:58] <ralsina> And moving inside the US is very very cheap.
[21:58] <nessita> anyways, I may go to Disney again with alecu
[21:58] <nessita> :-)
[21:58] <nessita> alecu: right?
[21:59] <dobey> wow
[21:59] <dobey> orlando flights do suck that week. my direct flight option is almost sold out
[22:00] <ralsina> dobey: so some people take the plane to Orlando for spring break even if they don't stay there
[22:00] <dobey> ralsina: the parents probably go to disney
[22:01] <alecu> nessita, absolutely. And this time amelia may probably join us :-)
[22:01] <ralsina> well. had I been more popular as a kid, I could have a college-age son. That explains why I may go to disney too ;-)
[22:01] <ralsina> alecu:  and tato, too :-)
[22:03] <ralsina> OTOH, bringing mandel here costs half of what going to orlando costs, says orbitz.com. That's weird.
[22:04] <nessita> ralsina: given the time in the year, makes sense
[22:04] <dobey> hrmm, to fly to EZE cheapest for me is going to be like $1600 probably
[22:04] <nessita> ralsina: Argentina in April is low fares
[22:05] <nessita> dobey:  where are you flying from?
[22:05] <dobey> and LGW is about $2000
[22:05] <dobey> nessita: PHF
[22:06] <dobey> hrmm, maybe i read that wrong
[22:07] <dobey> hrmm, no
[22:07] <dobey> hrmm, to LHR is a lot cheaper right now it seems
[22:07] <ralsina> vds is $230 more expensive for EZE
[22:08] <dobey> but it's US/United, the bane of the air
[22:08] <ralsina> And vds's flight plan is Pisa -> Munich -> newark -> Houston -> Buenos Aires :-)
[22:09] <ralsina> All that for $1728 final
[22:09] <dobey> plenty of tsa there :P
[22:09] <nessita> ralsina: there has to be a better option with Alitalia
[22:09] <ralsina> nessita: probably, that's the cheapest, on continental and 2 or three others combined
[22:10] <ralsina> Alitalia is $2117 pisa->rome->baires
[22:11] <ralsina> Anyway, I better do real work instead of playing orbitz roulette
[22:11] <dobey> ralsina: it's cheaper for me to go to tokyo than it is for me to go to either london or buenos aires :)
[22:11] <nessita> dobey: Delta can bring you via ATL for USD1000 according to despegar.com (though that is EZE->PHF->EZE)
[22:12] <nessita> only one stop!
[22:12] <dobey> yeah i flew delta last time i went to ba
[22:13] <nessita> is awesome
[22:13] <dobey> i really wish i had more airline options
[22:13] <dobey> i hate delta and us/united
[22:13] <nessita> so, PHF -> EZE -> PHF is USD 1100~
[22:13] <ralsina> nessita: going backwards, delta is $1400
[22:13] <nessita> ralsina: on despegar.com is USD 1082
[22:13] <dobey> of course, i may actually be able to buy cheaper flights by doing 2 different airlines
[22:13] <ralsina> + taxes and fees?
[22:13] <nessita> my bad
[22:14] <dobey> like i did last summer for london sprint
[22:14] <nessita> you're right, is more expensice
[22:14] <nessita> expensive
[22:14]  * dobey votes tokyo
[22:14] <nessita> ok, I better shut up and make these test pass!
[22:15] <ralsina> EZE -> TOKYO is... 2177 each
[22:15] <dobey> wow
[22:15] <dobey> pesos?
[22:16] <ralsina> nope. US dollars
[22:16] <dobey> boo
[22:16] <dobey> but eze->{lhr,lgw} is probably more than that
[22:16] <ralsina> Besides I expect the hotel in tokyo to cost about the same as buying a house here ;-)
[22:16] <dobey> nah
[22:17] <ralsina> U$S 1550 EZE->LHR
[22:17] <dobey> you just gotta know which family owns which hotels
[22:17] <dobey> wtf
[22:17] <dobey> that's cheaper than it is for me :)
[22:17] <dobey> and i'm halfway there already
[22:17] <dobey> anyway
[22:18] <ralsina> Direct on British Airways, too
[22:18] <dobey> this week is done.
[22:18] <dobey> ah of course
[22:18] <dobey> i just need to become a billionaire and buy a jet
[22:18] <ralsina> Ok, EOW forme! Except for the part where I work tomorrow :-)
[22:18] <ralsina> Have a nice weekend everyone
[22:18] <dobey> later
[22:19] <nessita> ralsina: bye, enjoy the weekend!
[22:26] <nessita> bye everybody! I'm eow-d