| JanC | kreignf: are the modules not loading, or are they loading too late? | 01:41 |
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| JanC | remember that many upstart jobs run in parallel | 01:42 |
| twb | Am I right in thinking that neither --verbose nor --debug show me the FOO=bar values associated with each event? | 01:59 |
| twb | And if so, is there a way to see those values? | 02:00 |
| kreign | SpamapS, I will say this... dear god it's awesome having a system boot 'completely' off of USB before I can walk the 5 feet to my keyboard | 03:11 |
| kreign | ... and log in remotely | 03:11 |
| twb | kreign: you using live-boot? | 03:26 |
| kreign | twb, I'm not sure what live-boot is. | 03:27 |
| kreign | twb, though it sounds interesting; what is it? :) | 03:27 |
| twb | It's a fork of casper | 03:27 |
| twb | With the idea of being useful for everybody, rather than just canonical | 03:27 |
| kreign | twb, hmm no, I'm not all that familiar with it, to be honest. I was just trying to get upstart to work with zfs. | 03:36 |
| kreign | on ubuntu | 03:36 |
| twb | zfs-fuse? | 03:36 |
| kreign | no | 03:36 |
| * twb blinks | 03:36 | |
| twb | There's an Ubuntu kFreeBSD now? | 03:36 |
| kreign | no | 03:36 |
| kreign | it's ubuntu with the CDDL ported modules. | 03:37 |
| kreign | just ubuntu | 03:37 |
| kreign | takes about 10 minutes. | 03:37 |
| kreign | ... just have to figure out the little 'ifs' and 'buts' :P | 03:37 |
| twb | I guess that's OK if you don't redistribute the result... | 03:37 |
| kreign | no | 03:37 |
| kreign | but the knowledge of how to do so, or the deb packages, should be fair game. | 03:37 |
| kreign | twb, if you're curious I'll stick in here tomorrow and give you the info | 03:38 |
| kreign | time to put the kids to bed though | 03:38 |
| twb | Not really; my money's on btrfs | 03:38 |
| kreign | eh | 03:38 |
| kreign | have you used zfs? :P | 03:38 |
| twb | Yes, on osol. | 03:38 |
| kreign | ah | 03:38 |
| kreign | imo btrfs is years behind | 03:38 |
| twb | Granted. | 03:38 |
| kreign | I don't have time to wait around. | 03:39 |
| kreign | for what I need, zfs is the trick | 03:39 |
| kreign | stable or no | 03:39 |
| kreign | (and it appears to be acceptably so, fwiw... I've not been able to break it yet, and the freebsd implementation is somewhat easy to cause issue with) | 03:39 |
| kreign | at any rate | 03:39 |
| * kreign poofs | 03:39 | |
| twb | But CDDL means that Debian can't ever distribute systems that support ZFS out of the box, so I'm not inclined to jump through hoops for it. | 03:40 |
| twb | It's the same reason I avoid MP3 | 03:40 |
| JanC | kreign: there was somebody with the same problem last week or so | 05:05 |
| SpamapS | twb: MP3 has an expiration date though | 05:05 |
| twb | SpamapS: granted. | 05:05 |
| JanC | kreign: and like I suggested before, your problem is that the module gets loaded too late | 05:06 |
| SpamapS | if wikipedia is to believe, decoding may be patent free in the US just about the time the world ends, December 2012 | 05:06 |
| JanC | kreign: you need to make sure all zfs modules are loaded before trying to mount the ZFS filesystem... | 05:07 |
| SpamapS | ahh yes | 05:07 |
| SpamapS | startup and started udev will race with mountall | 05:07 |
| twb | JanC: how do you do that? Do you have to patch the mountall script to say start on [...] && modules? | 05:08 |
| SpamapS | change it to 'start on mounting TYPE=zfs' | 05:08 |
| SpamapS | mountall blocks on mounting and mounted events | 05:08 |
| SpamapS | they are considered hook points | 05:08 |
| SpamapS | its tricky, but if you look at the way nfs-ustils was recently patched in natty, you can actually use them in an and-like fashion with other events. | 05:09 |
| SpamapS | ustils.. my typing has really suffered since losting my old MS elite keyboard.. need to go find another one. :-/ | 05:10 |
| JanC | I think a "task" that loads the zfs modules, and has "start on starting mountall" or something like that might suffice, but I would have to look into the logs what he finally used | 05:10 |
| JanC | well, anything that makes mountall wait on that task to finish ;) | 05:11 |
| SpamapS | starting mountall might work too | 05:13 |
| SpamapS | Actually yeah, since modules will always be on the rootfs, I think thats a nice simple solution. | 05:14 |
| twb | SpamapS: no model M? | 05:23 |
| djszapi | JanC: ping | 11:08 |
| kreignf | JanC, for whatever reason, including the modules in /etc/modules does not result in them being loaded. not sure why. | 15:49 |
| kreignf | JanC, also, I was that person with the problem last week. I never got it resolved then, though I figured out a workaround. :) | 15:50 |
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