[01:41] <JanC> kreignf: are the modules not loading, or are they loading too late?
[01:42] <JanC> remember that many upstart jobs run in parallel
[01:59] <twb> Am I right in thinking that neither --verbose nor --debug show me the FOO=bar values associated with each event?
[02:00] <twb> And if so, is there a way to see those values?
[03:11] <kreign> SpamapS, I will say this... dear god it's awesome having a system boot 'completely' off of USB before I can walk the 5 feet to my keyboard
[03:11] <kreign> ... and log in remotely
[03:26] <twb> kreign: you using live-boot?
[03:27] <kreign> twb, I'm not sure what live-boot is.
[03:27] <kreign> twb, though it sounds interesting; what is it? :)
[03:27] <twb> It's a fork of casper
[03:27] <twb> With the idea of being useful for everybody, rather than just canonical
[03:36] <kreign> twb, hmm no, I'm not all that familiar with it, to be honest. I was just trying to get upstart to work with zfs. 
[03:36] <kreign> on ubuntu
[03:36] <twb> zfs-fuse?
[03:36] <kreign> no
[03:36]  * twb blinks
[03:36] <twb> There's an Ubuntu kFreeBSD now?
[03:36] <kreign> no
[03:37] <kreign> it's ubuntu with the CDDL ported modules. 
[03:37] <kreign> just ubuntu
[03:37] <kreign> takes about 10 minutes.
[03:37] <kreign> ... just have to figure out the little 'ifs' and 'buts' :P
[03:37] <twb> I guess that's OK if you don't redistribute the result...
[03:37] <kreign> no
[03:37] <kreign> but the knowledge of how to do so, or the deb packages, should be fair game.
[03:38] <kreign> twb, if you're curious I'll stick in here tomorrow and give you the info
[03:38] <kreign> time to put the kids to bed though
[03:38] <twb> Not really; my money's on btrfs
[03:38] <kreign> eh
[03:38] <kreign> have you used zfs? :P
[03:38] <twb> Yes, on osol.
[03:38] <kreign> ah
[03:38] <kreign> imo btrfs is years behind
[03:38] <twb> Granted.
[03:39] <kreign> I don't have time to wait around.
[03:39] <kreign> for what I need, zfs is the trick
[03:39] <kreign> stable or no
[03:39] <kreign> (and it appears to be acceptably so, fwiw... I've not been able to break it yet, and the freebsd implementation is somewhat easy to cause issue with)
[03:39] <kreign> at any rate
[03:39]  * kreign poofs
[03:40] <twb> But CDDL means that Debian can't ever distribute systems that support ZFS out of the box, so I'm not inclined to jump through hoops for it.
[03:40] <twb> It's the same reason I avoid MP3
[05:05] <JanC> kreign: there was somebody with the same problem last week or so
[05:05] <SpamapS> twb: MP3 has an expiration date though
[05:05] <twb> SpamapS: granted.
[05:06] <JanC> kreign: and like I suggested before, your problem is that the module gets loaded too late
[05:06] <SpamapS> if wikipedia is to believe, decoding may be patent free in the US just about the time the world ends, December 2012
[05:07] <JanC> kreign: you need to make sure all zfs modules are loaded before trying to mount the ZFS filesystem...
[05:07] <SpamapS> ahh yes
[05:07] <SpamapS> startup and started udev will race with mountall
[05:08] <twb> JanC: how do you do that?  Do you have to patch the mountall script to say start on [...] && modules?
[05:08] <SpamapS> change it to 'start on mounting TYPE=zfs'
[05:08] <SpamapS> mountall blocks on mounting and mounted events
[05:08] <SpamapS> they are considered hook points
[05:09] <SpamapS> its tricky, but if you look at the way nfs-ustils was recently patched in natty, you can actually use them in an and-like fashion with other events.
[05:10] <SpamapS> ustils.. my typing has really suffered since losting my old MS elite keyboard.. need to go find another one. :-/
[05:10] <JanC> I think a "task" that loads the zfs modules, and has "start on starting mountall" or something like that might suffice, but I would have to look into the logs what he finally used
[05:11] <JanC> well, anything that makes mountall wait on that task to finish  ;)
[05:13] <SpamapS> starting mountall might work too
[05:14] <SpamapS> Actually yeah, since modules will always be on the rootfs, I think thats a nice simple solution.
[05:23] <twb> SpamapS: no model M?
[11:08] <djszapi> JanC: ping
[15:49] <kreignf> JanC, for whatever reason, including the modules in /etc/modules does not result in them being loaded. not sure why.
[15:50] <kreignf> JanC, also, I was that person with the problem last week. I never got it resolved then, though I figured out a workaround. :)