[14:38] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:44] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca 
[15:15] <charlie-tca> alpha2 testing next week, right?
[15:16] <ochosi> hey charlie-tca 
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi 
[15:17] <ochosi> i wanted to ask you for help on finding a specific bug in our default apps
[15:17] <ochosi> it's the widespread plague called "resize-grip in every window"
[15:17] <ochosi> see the xfce4-settings dialog for reference
[15:17] <ochosi> the resize-grip in the right lower corner covers the close-button partly
[15:18] <ochosi> i've already reported two of those (one for xfce4-settings, on for xfdesktop) but this bug can be practically everywhere
[15:18] <charlie-tca> I have seen it, like a triangle or square?
[15:18] <ochosi> yep
[15:19] <charlie-tca> It is not just xubuntu, gnome panel had it on yesterday's daily live cd
[15:19] <ochosi> it's *everywhere*
[15:19] <ochosi> but we need to report bugs about it...
[15:19] <charlie-tca> it's gotta be gtk, isn't it?
[15:19] <ochosi> yes, it's a backport from gtk3
[15:19] <ochosi> a new function for the resize handle that almost no apps support right now
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Oh, you want bugs! I guess I can do that. What do you report them against?
[15:20] <ochosi> assign the bugs you report to this guy: https://launchpad.net/~bratsche
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Okay, I can do that. Just report it as "resize-grip" visible?
[15:21] <ochosi> yeah, you can use the same text i used here, since it's always the same bug
[15:21] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/709282
[15:22] <ochosi> on second thought, maybe don't assign the bugs all to ~bratsche already, mr_pouit already asked for directions in the first bug i reported
[15:22] <ochosi> s/already/yet
[15:24] <charlie-tca> yup, I see that. there are 6 other bugs in launchpad for "resize-grip" already
[15:25] <ochosi> there will be plenty more i'm afraid
[15:25] <ochosi> i really don't get why they did this
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know. bug 704414 is even a papercut
[15:25] <ochosi> yeah
[15:32] <charlie-tca> we need to keep the term "resize grip", though, so all the bugs will show up in one search
[15:36] <charlie-tca> What makes it show up? I don't see it in settings
[15:38] <charlie-tca> nm
[15:38] <charlie-tca> depends somewhat on the theme as to the visibility of it for me
[15:45] <charlie-tca> ochosi: the grip is well defined in industrial theme, even on the apps I haven't seen it in
[15:56] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yes, i know, i tried to use a different engine or pixmap for the grip to make it more visible, but since it's gtk3 i really don't know how... :(
[15:56] <ochosi> i made the change in maverick, but in natty the gtk2 approach doesn't work
[16:05] <charlie-tca> I see. I have it in firefox, gedit, orage global time, probably everything that is not maximized. It shows with industrial theme
[16:05] <charlie-tca> so, I will start filing reports 
[16:24] <ochosi> great!
[16:42] <charlie-tca> ochosi: so what has made the buttons disappear on windows?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> using industrial or crux, I have no buttons at all
[16:48] <charlie-tca> We need a better plan. Every application except calculator appears affected
[16:49] <ochosi> charlie-tca: window-buttons-> i already debugged it and jeromeg has fixed it in git, mr_pouit has promised to upload the xfwm4-patch to natty asap
[16:49] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:50] <ochosi> charlie-tca: about the other bugs: yes, i guess cody/ubuntu needs a better plan
[16:50] <charlie-tca> but every app appears to affected by the resize grips thing
[16:50] <ochosi> yeah...
[16:50] <ochosi> that's why i said before: i don't get why they did that
[16:50] <charlie-tca> well, calc and screen shot are okay
[16:50] <ochosi> they will be flooded with bugreports
[16:53] <mr_pouit> hey there, the xfwm4 was uploaded last night (4.8.0-0ubuntu2)
[16:53] <ochosi> mm nice
[16:53] <ochosi> thanks mr_pouit 
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Thanks