[14:38] Good morning [14:44] morning charlie-tca [15:15] alpha2 testing next week, right? [15:16] hey charlie-tca [15:16] Hello, ochosi [15:17] i wanted to ask you for help on finding a specific bug in our default apps [15:17] it's the widespread plague called "resize-grip in every window" [15:17] see the xfce4-settings dialog for reference [15:17] the resize-grip in the right lower corner covers the close-button partly [15:18] i've already reported two of those (one for xfce4-settings, on for xfdesktop) but this bug can be practically everywhere [15:18] I have seen it, like a triangle or square? [15:18] yep [15:19] It is not just xubuntu, gnome panel had it on yesterday's daily live cd [15:19] it's *everywhere* [15:19] but we need to report bugs about it... [15:19] it's gotta be gtk, isn't it? [15:19] yes, it's a backport from gtk3 [15:19] a new function for the resize handle that almost no apps support right now [15:19] Oh, you want bugs! I guess I can do that. What do you report them against? [15:20] assign the bugs you report to this guy: https://launchpad.net/~bratsche [15:20] Okay, I can do that. Just report it as "resize-grip" visible? [15:21] yeah, you can use the same text i used here, since it's always the same bug [15:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/709282 [15:22] Ubuntu bug 709282 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "resize handle in xfce4-settings" [Undecided,New] [15:22] on second thought, maybe don't assign the bugs all to ~bratsche already, mr_pouit already asked for directions in the first bug i reported [15:22] s/already/yet [15:24] yup, I see that. there are 6 other bugs in launchpad for "resize-grip" already [15:25] there will be plenty more i'm afraid [15:25] i really don't get why they did this [15:25] I don't know. bug 704414 is even a papercut [15:25] Launchpad bug 704414 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "In status bar, Resize grip overlaps synaptic's progress bar" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704414 [15:25] yeah [15:32] we need to keep the term "resize grip", though, so all the bugs will show up in one search [15:36] What makes it show up? I don't see it in settings [15:38] nm [15:38] depends somewhat on the theme as to the visibility of it for me [15:45] ochosi: the grip is well defined in industrial theme, even on the apps I haven't seen it in [15:56] charlie-tca: yes, i know, i tried to use a different engine or pixmap for the grip to make it more visible, but since it's gtk3 i really don't know how... :( [15:56] i made the change in maverick, but in natty the gtk2 approach doesn't work [16:05] I see. I have it in firefox, gedit, orage global time, probably everything that is not maximized. It shows with industrial theme [16:05] so, I will start filing reports [16:24] great! [16:42] ochosi: so what has made the buttons disappear on windows? [16:43] using industrial or crux, I have no buttons at all [16:48] We need a better plan. Every application except calculator appears affected [16:49] charlie-tca: window-buttons-> i already debugged it and jeromeg has fixed it in git, mr_pouit has promised to upload the xfwm4-patch to natty asap [16:49] okay [16:50] charlie-tca: about the other bugs: yes, i guess cody/ubuntu needs a better plan [16:50] but every app appears to affected by the resize grips thing [16:50] yeah... [16:50] that's why i said before: i don't get why they did that [16:50] well, calc and screen shot are okay [16:50] they will be flooded with bugreports [16:53] hey there, the xfwm4 was uploaded last night (4.8.0-0ubuntu2) [16:53] mm nice [16:53] thanks mr_pouit [16:53] Thanks