[00:02] <cjohnston> Greetings.. Has anyone successfully installed skype on +1 yet?
[00:39] <coz_> hey all
[00:54] <BUGabundo_noX> hey coz
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> ok so with kernel .38 I get the 2 finger scrolling available to click
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> but it's still not working :p
[03:26] <histo> !info xfce
[03:26] <histo> !info xfce4
[04:03] <alex_mayorga> messed up pannels on classic desktop anyone?
[04:03] <alex_mayorga> the clock/calendar is gone :(
[04:35] <alex_mayorga> the latests kernel update borks X over here :(
[05:35] <SheeEttin> about those X upgrades
[05:35] <SheeEttin> is there anything I can do about -evdev segfaulting X, or do I just have to wait for more upgrades?
[05:37] <rww> report a bug?
[05:38] <SheeEttin> I assumed it was just a partial ABI-breakage upgrade, should it be working?
[07:01] <hifi> got an EXA crash with latest xorg stuff from xorg-edgers ppa
[08:14] <charliemac> Any recommendations for a quicker combo (DM/DE) than GDM and Gnome?  I was thinking of lubuntu because my laptop's at least 5 years old, but I really couldn't figure out how to do a network installation of Lubuntu, so I had to go with natty
[08:44] <charliemac> How can I adjust screen resolution when monitor is unknown?
[08:48] <Severian> Howdy.  Is it likely that the alpha-2 cd images will fit on a blank CDR?  Or, does that work come later?  My test system is a pretty good machine, but only has a CD burner for optical media.
[08:50] <bazhang> Severian, does it boot from usb?
[08:52] <Severian> I suspect it does, but I have not tried.  I did not see a image file to download.  I thought those went away.  I'll boot the system and check the bios now.
[08:53] <yofel> you can use usb-creator to create bootable usb driver from the cd images (that's why the usb images went away)
[08:53] <yofel> *usb drives
[08:55] <Severian> That would seem to me to be a chicken and egg problem.  I have to install natty first to use it's usb creator, don't I?  In a previous release, I could not create a USB installer with an older version of Ubuntu.
[08:55] <bazhang> or just use unetbootin to create it
[08:57] <yofel> usb-creator is available in older releases too (or use unetbootin, right)
[08:58] <Severian> I have an Intel D865GBF motherboard and it looks like it has good USB boot support.
[09:02] <Severian> First, does anyone know the answer to my question about when the work on making the images fit a CDR gets done?  I'd still like to know that.  Second, are you saying that I can use USB creator in Maverick to make a natty USB drive?  One or two releases back, I tried a similar thing and it did not work.  It may be better now, or it may be the alternate installers did not work well with USB creator.  I need the alternate installer t
[09:02] <Severian> o setup my disk drive right.
[09:03] <yofel> ah, not sure about the alternate images, as for the size: I don't know, but they usually try to make the alpha* images actually testable, so they should be only slightly oversized if they can't fit it completely
[09:09] <Severian> The alternate image is 4 MB too big.  So, it is close.  The regular install is 14 MB too big.
[09:10] <yofel> try overburning the disk? 4M should probably fit
[09:12] <Severian> I did not see a way to do that with k3b.  I'll see what google can tell me.
[09:12] <bazhang> k3b does have that option iirc
[09:14] <twager> yofel, I tried an overburn a week or so ago to give to a neighbour but it did not work..Had to take a usb stick
[09:14] <Severian> There is a setting to allow overburning.  I'll try a burn.
[09:56] <Severian> Well, it is installing.  Now, I'll cross my fingers that grub will install and make it a bootable system.  I was testing with a VM until I gave up on making it bootable after an upgrade came in.  No complaints, though as it is a test system and I know things break.
[09:57] <bazhang> nicely done :)
[10:00] <charliemac1> #ubuntu-beginners here?
[11:16] <charliemac> How can I make natty 'lighter?'
[11:33] <charliemac> How can I use wine to run an exe file (windows format)
[11:33] <UndiFineD> charliemac: with wine
[11:34] <charliemac> not really sure how to make wine successful; I just had to do a force quit on the wine configuration app
[11:34] <UndiFineD> try #wine or #wine-hq
[11:36] <charliemac> UndiFineD: ahah thanks; i think it's actually #winehq
[11:57] <Severian> Oh well, Alternate Installer fails on real hardware as well as a VM.  I updated bug 705755 and I don't see anything else to try at the moment.
[12:02] <cjohnston> Has anyone had success getting Skype to work on natty?
[12:14] <matrixa1> yes
[12:15] <matrixa1> did not have to do anything magical to get it working
[12:16] <matrixa1> although that might have changed with some recent updates, will check later today
[12:33] <charliemac> How can I activate laptop speakers?
[13:38]  * penguin42 saw a film the other day on Nawhal hunting; apparently their skin is very high in Vitamin C
[13:39] <scotty^> G'day all.  Will the DRM kernel patches for the (non-Cayman) Radeon HD 6000 series cards be backported to Natty's 2.6.37 kernel?  Apparently they aren't too invasive.
[13:39] <scotty^> penguin42 - interesting
[13:40] <penguin42> scotty^: I don't know; you could try asking in #ubuntu-x and #ubuntu-kernel but I'm not sure, I think NN is due to have 2.6.38 so if they land in that there is a good chance
[13:42] <scotty^> Yeah, they have been pulled into 2.6.38 but I wasn't sure if that kernel will make it into Natty given it is only at 2.6.38-rc2 and it is getting late in Natty's development.
[13:42] <scotty^> Will try asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:45] <scotty^> they come and they go :)
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> 2.6.38 is in the repo atm
[14:20] <scotty^> It is?
[14:21]  * scotty^ checks
[14:21] <coz_> hey all
[14:23] <scotty^> 22 hours ago. Cool!
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:43] <coz_> hey guys,, any issues with current updates?
[14:50] <charlie-tca> My Xubuntu seems real slow after updating 10 hours ago
[14:52] <coz_> apparenlty no issues...:)
[14:55] <BUGabundo> hey
[14:55] <BUGabundo> FINALLY got my X fixed!
[14:55] <coz_> that darn grab handle is really irritating
[14:55] <coz_> BUGabundo, ` cool :)
[14:55] <BUGabundo> I just did wtat the MAN said not to
[14:55] <BUGabundo> upgraded ALL lol
[14:55] <coz_> lol
[14:55] <BUGabundo> missing a few metapacakges
[14:55] <BUGabundo> but its working
[14:55] <BUGabundo> compiz is dead :(
[14:55] <coz_> ooo
[14:55] <BUGabundo> but already was soo.....
[14:55] <coz_> oh  on natty?  Unity?
[14:56] <BUGabundo> natty OFC
[14:56] <BUGabundo> Classic desktop
[14:58] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh ,,, mmm   ... I compiled the regular 0.9.x   I dont use the default one ,,, I guess I could try it
[14:58] <BUGabundo> chromium is acting up .... again
[15:12] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, chromium is not my fav anymore since I started using our tv as a monitor ..it's toolbar and boomarkbar , and tab fonts don't integrate with either gnome or kde settings which have to be much higher on a 1920x1080 scrn
[15:14] <BluesKaj> gotta use FF , which works fine
[15:17] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, how is chromium acting up?
[15:18] <BUGabundo> it freezes seconds after 1st opening
[15:30] <Daekdroom> And X server suddenly decide to not work :P
[15:30] <Daekdroom> I know. Alpha software.
[15:31] <BUGabundo> naa
[15:31] <BUGabundo> its like that for 4 days
[15:31] <BUGabundo> I fixed mine today
[15:32] <Daekdroom> My monitor enters powersaving state when X starts :(
[15:32] <Daekdroom> and it was working earlier today and no updates and all.
[15:32] <Daekdroom> I'll reinstall natty later.
[15:43] <zniavre_> topic
[17:13] <galamar> hey i am having trouble with synaptic when i try to install some apps (opera) it says its installing for like 2seconds and then just stops without error (just the install not synaptic)
[17:30] <BluesKaj> galamar, did you add the repos ppa?
[17:41] <Bauldrick> hello - I have this error with python2.7-minimal in upgrading to natty and get past it - pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed - what do I need do?
[17:46] <galamar> it only happens with software i download from their websites. my repos dont contain opera?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> galamar, the opera deb file is self installing , just click on the file you downloaded
[17:54] <galamar> i do and it opens with synaptic
[17:56] <Guest84036> Upgraded today, purge packages which can be autoremoved, but now, I can not start gdm now
[17:57] <Guest84036> Any idea?
[18:05] <Kongstad> I have an issue with installing Natty on VirtualBox. I have tried with A1 + Latest Nighty. Earlier I had it working, but during Yesterday I lost access to it due to an update. Any one with an advice.
[18:07] <Guest84036> Kongstan you upgraded kernel?
[18:07] <Volkodav> lilo
[18:07] <Volkodav> and grub2
[18:07] <Kongstad> Yes
[18:08] <Guest84036> Kongstad it seems that the new 38 kernel doesn't work well with vb now
[18:09] <Kongstad> But not only, The old kernel could not start up either. Can it be a change in udev?
[18:39] <Bauldrick> I have tied post 9 in bug report #689306 , but I am faced with the same problem as last post in bug #689615 - any tips ?
[18:55] <Bauldrick> hoorah, don't know if it's correct, but it's got my upgrade  moving again - fix /usr/share/python/debpython/version.py  to say  SUPPORTED = [(2, 6), (2, 7)]
[19:08] <dupondje> VirtualBox is broken it seems
[19:10] <charlie-tca> duanedesign: 4.0?
[19:10] <dupondje> charlie-tca: no, the version in natty itself
[19:11] <charlie-tca> That's been broken for a while
[19:11] <dupondje> 4.0 is in some ppa ?
[19:19] <leifw> since upgrading to natty, evolution just hangs (sits at 0%) when it tries to connect to a local imap server (dovecot). I haven't changed settings since the upgrade, and both offlineimap and alpine can still connect to it, it's just evolution that doesn't do anything
[19:21] <leifw> can't really get any good debugging information
[19:22] <charlie-tca> dupondje: Not that I know of
[19:22] <leifw> does anyone know, at the least, what component (apt package or something) to investigate about this, or how to make evolution spit out better debugging information?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> dupondje: I downloaded it direct from Oracle. All you need is to the source to /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:22] <charlie-tca> then you can run apt-get update and install it just like any other app
[19:30] <cjohnston> matrixa1: When I double click the .deb, the mouse goes to the little clock and then nothing else happens
[19:31] <cjohnston> (skype) sorry for taking so long to get back.. didnt see it
[19:34] <cjohnston> matrixa1: http://www.chimerarevo.com/2011/01/27/come-installare-skype-su-ubuntu-11-04-natty/ seemed to work
[19:36] <Kongstad> leifw: Maybe try #evolution, but for sure you need to install packages evolution-dbg and evolution-data-server-dbg.
[19:38] <Kongstad> leifw: and start gdb /usr/bin/evolution
[19:38] <leifw> some logging information seems more useful
[19:39] <leifw> I don't think gdb is going to help me solve a connectivity problem, at least, not quickly
[19:39] <Kongstad> http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml
[19:39] <leifw> ok
[19:41] <Kongstad> leifw: Maybe this will solve your issue CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& evo.log
[19:42] <leifw> this is some interesting output, thanks
[20:07] <magicianlord> is 11.04 worth waiting for and passing on 10.10?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> anyone seeing a drastic slowdown with the latest updates? I can type my name before the c prints now
[20:32] <penguin42> 1ouch
[20:32] <penguin42> charlie-tca: This machine seems OK, and it was updated and rebooted a few hours or so ago
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[20:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: its fine here
[20:37] <BUGabundo> what kernel?
[20:37] <BUGabundo> .38 ?
[20:37] <penguin42> still 37 here
[20:38] <yofel> 38 here
[20:38] <penguin42> hmm
[20:38] <charlie-tca> 38
[20:38] <yofel> suspend seems to have killed my touchpad though, thankfully thinkpads have a trackpoint
[20:39] <yofel> and dmesg tells me nothing except that synptics loaded fine on resume...
[20:39] <BUGabundo> yofel: one of you is lying :P
[20:39] <yofel> hm...
[20:39] <yofel> [ 91100.311] (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
[20:40] <yofel> and that's it for useful error messages
[20:42] <charlie-tca> well, then, I guess I will troubleshoot after my user days session tonight
[20:44] <nysosym> Thank you for the improved notification system, NOW it makes sense
[20:44] <BUGabundo> it does?????
[20:44] <BUGabundo> mine are just STUPID old bubbles
[20:44] <BUGabundo> spent two cycles getting used to the new ones
[20:44] <BUGabundo> and now im back on the old :/
[20:45] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:45] <charlie-tca> xubuntu
[20:45] <nysosym> yeah xubuntu sry
[20:46] <charlie-tca> +1 for xubuntu
[20:46] <nysosym> with themes and preferences just amazing :)
[20:46] <Kongstad2> Xfce 4.8? charlie-tca
[20:46] <nysosym> jep
[20:47] <charlie-tca> of course
[20:48] <Kongstad2> Is it a big step forward compared to 4.6?
[20:50] <nysosym> it's a big step
[20:51] <charlie-tca> um, yes, it is
[21:11] <penguin42> hmm, compiz keeps crashing on me in classic mode
[21:19] <edgy> Hi, the latest updates broke X server. My card is ati radeon HD 5850. I removed fgrlx and rebooted but still can't boot. tried recovery and fail X safe but won't boot also, how can I fix this, please?
[21:20] <penguin42> edgy: You say it doesn't boot - how far does it get?
[21:20] <edgy> penguin42: it gave me grub menu but won't reach display manager
[21:22] <penguin42> what does the failsafe from grub do?
[21:24] <edgy> penguin42: black screen
[21:24] <charlie-tca> edgy: I get that black screen, but after 3-5 minutes, I get the login screen.
[21:26] <edgy> charlie-tca: and you have ati card?
[21:26] <edgy> charlie-tca: I really haven't waited for 3 mins
[21:27]  * penguin42 has had a ~90s hang on this machine for a few months
[21:28] <charlie-tca> I have, and it is quite frustrating to wait that long for anything to show up. The only way I know it didn't fail is the monitor light stays on
[21:29] <penguin42> edgy: Try removing the set gfxpayload= in the grub stansa and then go for the recovert one or take off the quiet splash vt.handoff-=7 and see if you can get any progress info
[21:30] <edgy> penguin42: good point, I will do reboot now and report back. please hang around for 6 mins ;)
[21:30] <penguin42> sure
[21:45] <nekoCAT> I am using xubuntu natty daily.  I have some questions and comments.
[21:46] <nysosym> just ask/comment ;)
[21:46] <penguin42> ask the questions
[21:46] <nekoCAT> First, Gnumeric shows up twice in the menu. Once in office and once in science.
[21:47] <nysosym> sure it matches in these menus :)
[21:47] <charlie-tca> yes,
[21:47] <penguin42> why in science?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> and it is used by both. You can file a bug for it, though
[21:48] <nekoCAT> Second I like the new look but the menu icon is rather small.
[21:48] <charlie-tca> because it is used for spreadsheets for scientific data gathering?
[21:48] <penguin42> I guess so, but scientists use word processors and make presentations as well, I'd still put it as office
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[21:48] <charlie-tca> nekoCAT: yeah, the icon should have stayed the same, didn't it?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> you should file a bug using "ubuntu-bug gnumeric" for the double menu entry
[21:50] <nekoCAT> I remember there being text after the menu icon in previous versions.  Its been a while since I used xubuntu so its new to me.
[21:50] <edgy> hi, I now rebooted the pc and removed those splash quite vt... and it works! penguin42
[21:51] <nekoCAT> Third thing, what is the triangle thing in the lower right of the screen?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> yes, it was the icon with "applications" after it
[21:52] <charlie-tca> the triangle thingy is reported already. It is a gtk3 "resize grip"
[21:52] <charlie-tca> It will show in almost every window that is not maximized, as 3 slashes in the lower right corner
[21:52] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:53] <nekoCAT> Oh, thanks about the triangle thing.  I hope it gets fixed.
[21:53] <BUGabundo> touchpad is tooooo fast
[21:53] <penguin42> edgy: Now split and figure out which one broke it - I'd bet on the gfx_mode thing
[21:53] <BluesKaj> hmm, last update took away the western alphabet , setting locales etc didn't help , also it looks like the nvidia driver upgrade broke X as well. Anyone else experience this prob?
[21:53] <nysosym> -
[21:54] <penguin42> western alphabet?
[21:54] <charlie-tca> no, my nvidia upgraded fine
[21:54] <charlie-tca> well, maybe it didn't and that is what is wrong now. I didn't troubleshoot yet
[21:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, all I have is what seems to to be arabic or hindi script ...very strange
[21:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  I'm ssh'd into the affected media pc from my den pc , but no updates or upgrades are helping ... booting into recovery mode or setting nomodeset in grub doesn't work either
[21:58] <nekoCAT> I will report the gnumeric bug.  Thank you for your help.
[21:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, that's damn odd - do you actually think it's real script or just corrupt?
[21:58] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  I can say or sure that it looked like arabic or someother eastern script
[21:59] <BluesKaj> for sure
[21:59] <penguin42> got a camera?
[21:59] <edgy_> btw ubuntuforums.org is down! may be an X issue ;)
[21:59] <penguin42> is it in X or at console?
[22:00] <BluesKaj> I can't boot in to take a picture , X is broken as well , penguin42...I''ssh'd in thekonsole from my other pc
[22:01] <BluesKaj> I haven't upgraded or rebooted on this pc yet ...don't think I will either
[22:01] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, hmm you could do a ps -eaf and grep for X or gdm to see if X is running
[22:02] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You could try chvt 1 to switch to a text console
[22:04] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: AHAHAHA
[22:05] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  I am ssh'd into the affected pc console ..i'm there , kdm is stopped
[22:05] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: /topic ? :P
[22:05] <BUGabundo> I had to add x-edgers ppa
[22:05] <BUGabundo> and aptitude full-upgraded
[22:06] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo:  I knew that but thought we were already past the X upgrade after yesterday
[22:06] <BUGabundo> yeah, me too :\
[22:07] <BluesKaj> ok BUGabundo got a x-edgers ppa ur;?
[22:07] <BluesKaj> url
[22:07] <BluesKaj> I can add it from here
[22:07] <BUGabundo> # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/nouveau/ubuntu natty main #nouveau
[22:07] <BUGabundo> # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu natty main #xorg-edgers
[22:08] <BluesKaj> cool BUGabundo thanks
[22:09] <Daekdroom> I bumped into that X issue too :(
[22:09] <Daekdroom> I reinstalled natty and then it happened again after the updates. Should have tried xorg-edgers before :P
[22:16] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo:  the upgrade is going to remove 6 xserver-xorg packages , did you experience that ?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> the metapackages?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:21] <penguin42> hmm, so I seem to have both libreoffice and openffice installed now
[22:21] <penguin42> although it's going to take me a while to stop reading it as lib-reoffice
[22:25] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:25] <BUGabundo> is it in the archive ??
[22:26] <BUGabundo> oh it is
[22:26]  * BUGabundo install
[22:27] <penguin42> it installed it automatically for me
[22:29] <BUGabundo> libreoffice-l10n-pt-br
[22:29] <BUGabundo> eeeeeeeeewwwww
[22:30] <penguin42> eew?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> pt-br.... but no pt-pt
[22:33] <Daekdroom> There is a libreoffice-l10n-pt package iirc
[22:34] <BUGabundo> libreoffice-l10n-pt
[22:34] <BUGabundo> yeah it installed it
[22:34] <BUGabundo> darn quick filter sorts are weird
[22:35] <Daekdroom> I have no idea why the pt-br translation sticks with the BrOffice branding
[22:35] <Daekdroom> I don't think there'll be any problem in using the LibreOffice brand in Brazil.