[00:02] Greetings.. Has anyone successfully installed skype on +1 yet? [00:39] hey all [00:54] hey coz [01:09] ok so with kernel .38 I get the 2 finger scrolling available to click [01:09] but it's still not working :p === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [03:26] !info xfce [03:26] Package xfce does not exist in natty [03:26] !info xfce4 [03:26] xfce4 (source: xfce4): Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.8.0~ubuntu1 (natty), package size 4 kB, installed size 40 kB [04:03] messed up pannels on classic desktop anyone? [04:03] the clock/calendar is gone :( === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [04:35] the latests kernel update borks X over here :( [05:35] about those X upgrades [05:35] is there anything I can do about -evdev segfaulting X, or do I just have to wait for more upgrades? [05:37] report a bug? [05:38] I assumed it was just a partial ABI-breakage upgrade, should it be working? [07:01] got an EXA crash with latest xorg stuff from xorg-edgers ppa [08:14] Any recommendations for a quicker combo (DM/DE) than GDM and Gnome? I was thinking of lubuntu because my laptop's at least 5 years old, but I really couldn't figure out how to do a network installation of Lubuntu, so I had to go with natty [08:44] How can I adjust screen resolution when monitor is unknown? [08:48] Howdy. Is it likely that the alpha-2 cd images will fit on a blank CDR? Or, does that work come later? My test system is a pretty good machine, but only has a CD burner for optical media. [08:50] Severian, does it boot from usb? [08:52] I suspect it does, but I have not tried. I did not see a image file to download. I thought those went away. I'll boot the system and check the bios now. [08:53] you can use usb-creator to create bootable usb driver from the cd images (that's why the usb images went away) [08:53] *usb drives [08:55] That would seem to me to be a chicken and egg problem. I have to install natty first to use it's usb creator, don't I? In a previous release, I could not create a USB installer with an older version of Ubuntu. [08:55] or just use unetbootin to create it [08:57] usb-creator is available in older releases too (or use unetbootin, right) [08:58] I have an Intel D865GBF motherboard and it looks like it has good USB boot support. [09:02] First, does anyone know the answer to my question about when the work on making the images fit a CDR gets done? I'd still like to know that. Second, are you saying that I can use USB creator in Maverick to make a natty USB drive? One or two releases back, I tried a similar thing and it did not work. It may be better now, or it may be the alternate installers did not work well with USB creator. I need the alternate installer t [09:02] o setup my disk drive right. [09:03] ah, not sure about the alternate images, as for the size: I don't know, but they usually try to make the alpha* images actually testable, so they should be only slightly oversized if they can't fit it completely [09:09] The alternate image is 4 MB too big. So, it is close. The regular install is 14 MB too big. [09:10] try overburning the disk? 4M should probably fit [09:12] I did not see a way to do that with k3b. I'll see what google can tell me. [09:12] k3b does have that option iirc [09:14] yofel, I tried an overburn a week or so ago to give to a neighbour but it did not work..Had to take a usb stick [09:14] There is a setting to allow overburning. I'll try a burn. [09:56] Well, it is installing. Now, I'll cross my fingers that grub will install and make it a bootable system. I was testing with a VM until I gave up on making it bootable after an upgrade came in. No complaints, though as it is a test system and I know things break. [09:57] nicely done :) [10:00] #ubuntu-beginners here? [11:16] How can I make natty 'lighter?' === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:33] How can I use wine to run an exe file (windows format) [11:33] charliemac: with wine [11:34] not really sure how to make wine successful; I just had to do a force quit on the wine configuration app [11:34] try #wine or #wine-hq === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [11:36] UndiFineD: ahah thanks; i think it's actually #winehq [11:57] Oh well, Alternate Installer fails on real hardware as well as a VM. I updated bug 705755 and I don't see anything else to try at the moment. [11:57] Launchpad bug 705755 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Natty Testing--Alternate OEM Install, grub-pc/grub2 failed to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705755 [12:02] Has anyone had success getting Skype to work on natty? [12:14] yes [12:15] did not have to do anything magical to get it working [12:16] although that might have changed with some recent updates, will check later today [12:33] How can I activate laptop speakers? [13:38] * penguin42 saw a film the other day on Nawhal hunting; apparently their skin is very high in Vitamin C [13:39] G'day all. Will the DRM kernel patches for the (non-Cayman) Radeon HD 6000 series cards be backported to Natty's 2.6.37 kernel? Apparently they aren't too invasive. [13:39] penguin42 - interesting [13:40] scotty^: I don't know; you could try asking in #ubuntu-x and #ubuntu-kernel but I'm not sure, I think NN is due to have 2.6.38 so if they land in that there is a good chance [13:42] Yeah, they have been pulled into 2.6.38 but I wasn't sure if that kernel will make it into Natty given it is only at 2.6.38-rc2 and it is getting late in Natty's development. [13:42] Will try asking in #ubuntu-kernel [13:45] they come and they go :) [14:12] 2.6.38 is in the repo atm [14:20] It is? [14:21] * scotty^ checks [14:21] hey all [14:23] 22 hours ago. Cool! [14:40] Hi folks [14:43] hey guys,, any issues with current updates? [14:50] My Xubuntu seems real slow after updating 10 hours ago [14:52] apparenlty no issues...:) === MichealH is now known as MH0 [14:55] hey [14:55] FINALLY got my X fixed! [14:55] that darn grab handle is really irritating [14:55] BUGabundo, ` cool :) [14:55] I just did wtat the MAN said not to [14:55] upgraded ALL lol [14:55] lol [14:55] missing a few metapacakges [14:55] but its working [14:55] compiz is dead :( [14:55] ooo [14:55] but already was soo..... [14:55] oh on natty? Unity? [14:56] natty OFC [14:56] Classic desktop [14:58] BUGabundo, oh ,,, mmm ... I compiled the regular 0.9.x I dont use the default one ,,, I guess I could try it [14:58] chromium is acting up .... again [15:12] BUGabundo, chromium is not my fav anymore since I started using our tv as a monitor ..it's toolbar and boomarkbar , and tab fonts don't integrate with either gnome or kde settings which have to be much higher on a 1920x1080 scrn [15:14] gotta use FF , which works fine [15:17] BUGabundo, how is chromium acting up? [15:18] it freezes seconds after 1st opening [15:30] And X server suddenly decide to not work :P [15:30] I know. Alpha software. [15:31] naa [15:31] its like that for 4 days [15:31] I fixed mine today [15:32] My monitor enters powersaving state when X starts :( [15:32] and it was working earlier today and no updates and all. [15:32] I'll reinstall natty later. [15:43] topic === eric is now known as Guest17963 === Guest17963 is now known as ebischoff [17:13] hey i am having trouble with synaptic when i try to install some apps (opera) it says its installing for like 2seconds and then just stops without error (just the install not synaptic) [17:30] galamar, did you add the repos ppa? [17:41] hello - I have this error with python2.7-minimal in upgrading to natty and get past it - pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed - what do I need do? [17:46] it only happens with software i download from their websites. my repos dont contain opera? [17:53] galamar, the opera deb file is self installing , just click on the file you downloaded [17:54] i do and it opens with synaptic === wzssyqa is now known as Guest84036 [17:56] Upgraded today, purge packages which can be autoremoved, but now, I can not start gdm now [17:57] Any idea? [18:05] I have an issue with installing Natty on VirtualBox. I have tried with A1 + Latest Nighty. Earlier I had it working, but during Yesterday I lost access to it due to an update. Any one with an advice. [18:07] Kongstan you upgraded kernel? [18:07] lilo [18:07] and grub2 [18:07] Yes [18:08] Kongstad it seems that the new 38 kernel doesn't work well with vb now [18:09] But not only, The old kernel could not start up either. Can it be a change in udev? [18:39] I have tied post 9 in bug report #689306 , but I am faced with the same problem as last post in bug #689615 - any tips ? [18:39] Launchpad bug 689615 in python2.7 (Ubuntu) "pycompile fixes needed for maverick" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689615 [18:55] hoorah, don't know if it's correct, but it's got my upgrade moving again - fix /usr/share/python/debpython/version.py to say SUPPORTED = [(2, 6), (2, 7)] [19:08] VirtualBox is broken it seems [19:10] duanedesign: 4.0? [19:10] charlie-tca: no, the version in natty itself [19:11] That's been broken for a while [19:11] 4.0 is in some ppa ? [19:19] since upgrading to natty, evolution just hangs (sits at 0%) when it tries to connect to a local imap server (dovecot). I haven't changed settings since the upgrade, and both offlineimap and alpine can still connect to it, it's just evolution that doesn't do anything [19:21] can't really get any good debugging information [19:22] dupondje: Not that I know of [19:22] does anyone know, at the least, what component (apt package or something) to investigate about this, or how to make evolution spit out better debugging information? [19:22] dupondje: I downloaded it direct from Oracle. All you need is to the source to /etc/apt/sources.list [19:22] then you can run apt-get update and install it just like any other app [19:30] matrixa1: When I double click the .deb, the mouse goes to the little clock and then nothing else happens [19:31] (skype) sorry for taking so long to get back.. didnt see it [19:34] matrixa1: http://www.chimerarevo.com/2011/01/27/come-installare-skype-su-ubuntu-11-04-natty/ seemed to work [19:36] leifw: Maybe try #evolution, but for sure you need to install packages evolution-dbg and evolution-data-server-dbg. [19:38] leifw: and start gdb /usr/bin/evolution [19:38] some logging information seems more useful [19:39] I don't think gdb is going to help me solve a connectivity problem, at least, not quickly [19:39] http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml [19:39] ok [19:41] leifw: Maybe this will solve your issue CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& evo.log [19:42] this is some interesting output, thanks [20:07] is 11.04 worth waiting for and passing on 10.10? [20:31] anyone seeing a drastic slowdown with the latest updates? I can type my name before the c prints now [20:32] 1ouch [20:32] charlie-tca: This machine seems OK, and it was updated and rebooted a few hours or so ago [20:33] Thank you [20:37] charlie-tca: its fine here [20:37] what kernel? [20:37] .38 ? [20:37] still 37 here [20:38] 38 here [20:38] hmm [20:38] 38 [20:38] suspend seems to have killed my touchpad though, thankfully thinkpads have a trackpoint [20:39] and dmesg tells me nothing except that synptics loaded fine on resume... [20:39] yofel: one of you is lying :P [20:39] hm... [20:39] [ 91100.311] (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" [20:40] and that's it for useful error messages [20:42] well, then, I guess I will troubleshoot after my user days session tonight [20:44] Thank you for the improved notification system, NOW it makes sense [20:44] it does????? [20:44] mine are just STUPID old bubbles [20:44] spent two cycles getting used to the new ones [20:44] and now im back on the old :/ [20:45] heh [20:45] xubuntu [20:45] yeah xubuntu sry [20:46] +1 for xubuntu [20:46] with themes and preferences just amazing :) [20:46] Xfce 4.8? charlie-tca [20:46] jep [20:47] of course [20:48] Is it a big step forward compared to 4.6? [20:50] it's a big step [20:51] um, yes, it is [21:11] hmm, compiz keeps crashing on me in classic mode [21:19] Hi, the latest updates broke X server. My card is ati radeon HD 5850. I removed fgrlx and rebooted but still can't boot. tried recovery and fail X safe but won't boot also, how can I fix this, please? [21:20] edgy: You say it doesn't boot - how far does it get? [21:20] penguin42: it gave me grub menu but won't reach display manager [21:22] what does the failsafe from grub do? [21:24] penguin42: black screen [21:24] edgy: I get that black screen, but after 3-5 minutes, I get the login screen. [21:26] charlie-tca: and you have ati card? [21:26] charlie-tca: I really haven't waited for 3 mins [21:27] * penguin42 has had a ~90s hang on this machine for a few months [21:28] I have, and it is quite frustrating to wait that long for anything to show up. The only way I know it didn't fail is the monitor light stays on [21:29] edgy: Try removing the set gfxpayload= in the grub stansa and then go for the recovert one or take off the quiet splash vt.handoff-=7 and see if you can get any progress info [21:30] penguin42: good point, I will do reboot now and report back. please hang around for 6 mins ;) [21:30] sure [21:45] I am using xubuntu natty daily. I have some questions and comments. [21:46] just ask/comment ;) [21:46] ask the questions [21:46] First, Gnumeric shows up twice in the menu. Once in office and once in science. [21:47] sure it matches in these menus :) [21:47] yes, [21:47] why in science? [21:47] and it is used by both. You can file a bug for it, though [21:48] Second I like the new look but the menu icon is rather small. [21:48] because it is used for spreadsheets for scientific data gathering? [21:48] I guess so, but scientists use word processors and make presentations as well, I'd still put it as office [21:48] I don't know [21:48] nekoCAT: yeah, the icon should have stayed the same, didn't it? [21:49] you should file a bug using "ubuntu-bug gnumeric" for the double menu entry [21:50] I remember there being text after the menu icon in previous versions. Its been a while since I used xubuntu so its new to me. [21:50] hi, I now rebooted the pc and removed those splash quite vt... and it works! penguin42 [21:51] Third thing, what is the triangle thing in the lower right of the screen? [21:51] yes, it was the icon with "applications" after it [21:52] the triangle thingy is reported already. It is a gtk3 "resize grip" [21:52] It will show in almost every window that is not maximized, as 3 slashes in the lower right corner [21:52] humm [21:53] Oh, thanks about the triangle thing. I hope it gets fixed. [21:53] touchpad is tooooo fast [21:53] edgy: Now split and figure out which one broke it - I'd bet on the gfx_mode thing [21:53] hmm, last update took away the western alphabet , setting locales etc didn't help , also it looks like the nvidia driver upgrade broke X as well. Anyone else experience this prob? [21:53] - [21:54] western alphabet? [21:54] no, my nvidia upgraded fine [21:54] well, maybe it didn't and that is what is wrong now. I didn't troubleshoot yet [21:54] yeah, all I have is what seems to to be arabic or hindi script ...very strange [21:57] penguin42: I'm ssh'd into the affected media pc from my den pc , but no updates or upgrades are helping ... booting into recovery mode or setting nomodeset in grub doesn't work either [21:58] I will report the gnumeric bug. Thank you for your help. [21:58] BluesKaj: OK, that's damn odd - do you actually think it's real script or just corrupt? [21:58] penguin42: I can say or sure that it looked like arabic or someother eastern script [21:59] for sure [21:59] got a camera? [21:59] btw ubuntuforums.org is down! may be an X issue ;) [21:59] is it in X or at console? [22:00] I can't boot in to take a picture , X is broken as well , penguin42...I''ssh'd in thekonsole from my other pc [22:01] I haven't upgraded or rebooted on this pc yet ...don't think I will either [22:01] BluesKaj: OK, hmm you could do a ps -eaf and grep for X or gdm to see if X is running [22:02] BluesKaj: You could try chvt 1 to switch to a text console [22:04] BluesKaj: AHAHAHA [22:05] penguin42: I am ssh'd into the affected pc console ..i'm there , kdm is stopped [22:05] BluesKaj: /topic ? :P [22:05] I had to add x-edgers ppa [22:05] and aptitude full-upgraded [22:06] BUGabundo: I knew that but thought we were already past the X upgrade after yesterday [22:06] yeah, me too :\ [22:07] ok BUGabundo got a x-edgers ppa ur;? [22:07] url [22:07] I can add it from here [22:07] # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/nouveau/ubuntu natty main #nouveau [22:07] # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu natty main #xorg-edgers [22:08] cool BUGabundo thanks [22:09] I bumped into that X issue too :( [22:09] I reinstalled natty and then it happened again after the updates. Should have tried xorg-edgers before :P [22:16] BUGabundo: the upgrade is going to remove 6 xserver-xorg packages , did you experience that ? [22:17] the metapackages? [22:17] yeah [22:21] hmm, so I seem to have both libreoffice and openffice installed now [22:21] although it's going to take me a while to stop reading it as lib-reoffice [22:25] ahaha [22:25] is it in the archive ?? [22:26] oh it is [22:26] * BUGabundo install [22:27] it installed it automatically for me [22:29] libreoffice-l10n-pt-br [22:29] eeeeeeeeewwwww [22:30] eew? [22:33] pt-br.... but no pt-pt [22:33] There is a libreoffice-l10n-pt package iirc [22:34] libreoffice-l10n-pt [22:34] yeah it installed it [22:34] darn quick filter sorts are weird [22:35] I have no idea why the pt-br translation sticks with the BrOffice branding [22:35] I don't think there'll be any problem in using the LibreOffice brand in Brazil.