| === paul-L101-usher is now known as blahdeblah | ||
| blahdeblah | head_v, head_victim: You around? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| blahdeblah | cafuego: Still never got to meet you in person at LCA - will you be around today? | 00:03 |
| dns53 | i'm heading off now, probably be there in an hour or two | 00:04 |
| head_v | Yes at the ubuntu stand now | 00:07 |
| blahdeblah | head_v: My family has a couple of other plans for me today, but we will be there at some point. Sorry i can't be more specific than that. | 00:17 |
| blahdeblah | head_v: Anything particular you need help with? | 00:17 |
| ikt | head! | 00:21 |
| ikt | got live stream? | 00:21 |
| head_v | No live feed here paul just whenever you can is find | 00:55 |
| blahdeblah | Does anyone know what the tool is to reset your GNOME panel and menus to the defaults, but not lose any of your application preferences? | 01:29 |
| sagaci | Hey | 04:21 |
| dns53 | hey | 04:22 |
| ikt | :< | 04:33 |
| dns53 | what are you up to? | 04:35 |
| dns53 | i'm at the linux.conf.au open day with a few of the regulars | 04:35 |
| ikt | I'm sitting at home | 04:50 |
| ikt | bored and confused | 04:50 |
| ikt | bored and distracted! | 04:50 |
| ikt | I has add, I move from 1 topic to the next every like 10 minutes and then the day is over :/ | 04:51 |
| ikt | hey head_v how r u? | 05:00 |
| * dns53 pokes head_v | 05:00 | |
| orly_go | What command will securely erase an entire directory? | 05:20 |
| nisshh | orly_go, to erase an entire directory use: rm -r | 05:22 |
| nisshh | sorry: rm -r dir_name | 05:22 |
| orly_go | securely | 05:22 |
| nisshh | rm doesnt do what shred does | 05:22 |
| nisshh | but shred doesnt work on dirs | 05:22 |
| nisshh | only files | 05:22 |
| orly_go | I know. | 05:23 |
| nisshh | if you shred the files inside a dir | 05:23 |
| nisshh | then delete the dir, there will be no data | 05:23 |
| nisshh | so use shred on the files | 05:23 |
| nisshh | then cd out a level | 05:23 |
| nisshh | and use rm -r | 05:23 |
| nisshh | or just rmdir | 05:23 |
| nisshh | rm -r i use when removing a non-empty dir | 05:24 |
| nisshh | otherwise i use rmdir | 05:24 |
| nisshh | orly_go, why do you want to do it "securely" anyway? | 05:24 |
| orly_go | for privacy reasons? | 05:25 |
| nisshh | so your not the only one with access to the drive? | 05:25 |
| orly_go | yup | 05:25 |
| nisshh | ok, but most users wont have a clue how to bring back deleted files | 05:25 |
| nisshh | so you shouldnt have to worry | 05:26 |
| orly_go | true | 05:26 |
| orly_go | i think ill use a live cd from now on anyay | 05:26 |
| orly_go | anyway | 05:26 |
| nisshh | in my experience, drives shouldnt be shared anyway | 05:26 |
| nisshh | massive security issue | 05:26 |
| nisshh | yes, anyway | 05:27 |
| nisshh | you could either use shred, or just use decent drive encryption | 05:27 |
| nisshh | orly_go, ^^ | 05:27 |
| orly_go | indeed | 05:28 |
| orly_go | just semi-surprised that there is no command to erase a dir | 05:28 |
| nisshh | not true | 05:29 |
| nisshh | its possible to delete dirs | 05:29 |
| nisshh | but not use shred on them | 05:29 |
| nisshh | shred is purely for files, although there is not much value in a bunch of empty dirs being recovered anyway | 05:29 |
| orly_go | *secure erase a dir | 05:29 |
| orly_go | mhm | 05:29 |
| nisshh | so there is really no need to have a shred for dirs | 05:29 |
| orly_go | unless the dir has files in it | 05:30 |
| nisshh | so shred the files in the dir | 05:30 |
| orly_go | k | 05:30 |
| nisshh | im pretty sure even shred is not a surefire way to "securely" remove data | 05:31 |
| nisshh | scientists would be able to get it back probably | 05:31 |
| orly_go | we can always see if it blends | 05:31 |
| nisshh | like they do with laptops with bullet holes in them :) | 05:31 |
| nisshh | blends? | 05:31 |
| nisshh | orly_go, blends? | 05:32 |
| orly_go | Will It Blend? is a viral marketing campaign consisting of a series of infomercials demonstrating the Blendtec line of blenders, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Will_It_Blend%3F | 05:33 |
| nisshh | uh, ok | 05:33 |
| head_victim | Home at last | 07:36 |
| blahdeblah | head_victim: \o/ | 07:38 |
| blahdeblah | Me too | 07:38 |
| blahdeblah | Just got back from taking a load of computers in for the flood relief folks | 07:39 |
| head_victim | Yay. It was very goo to see that we had the Ubuntu Release manager and one of the heads of the kernel dev team at our stand! | 07:39 |
| head_victim | It's a bit fanboy-ish but I still think that was pretty great | 07:39 |
| blahdeblah | Indeed! | 07:40 |
| dns-xo | they are just people, and in open source they will help you out if they can | 07:40 |
| head_victim | I know they're just people but I'm sure they were still on their own time | 07:41 |
| blahdeblah | What's up with http://www.ubuntu.org.au/ ? Can anyone else get to it? | 07:57 |
| blahdeblah | I get DNS server errors. | 07:57 |
| Phlosten | still borked for me too | 08:00 |
| Phlosten | head_victim, just to confirm something for you, Linux Australia is registrant for ubuntu.org.au, Solutions First is the registrant for ubuntu.com.au | 08:04 |
| Phlosten | blahdeblah, it looks to me that ubuntu.org.au and ubuntu.com.au have been dropped from the delegated nameservers | 08:06 |
| blahdeblah | Phlosten: perhaps it expired | 08:06 |
| blahdeblah | Unfortunate day for it - when we finally got to hand out lots of cards with the address. | 08:07 |
| Phlosten | anyone know who is the loco contact at ubuntuwire.com? | 08:09 |
| Phlosten | looks like there is an #ubuntuwire channel | 08:10 |
| === yama` is now known as yama | ||
| Phlosten | blahdeblah, its back, thanks to wgrant | 08:22 |
| blahdeblah | thanks wgrant | 08:22 |
| blahdeblah | what happened? | 08:22 |
| Phlosten | bind had died | 08:22 |
| blahdeblah | :-\ | 08:23 |
| wgrant | I don't recall why we switched to those nameservers. I recall that Canonical stopped serving them randomly, though :/ | 08:24 |
| wgrant | Stopped serving the two domains, that is. | 08:26 |
| wgrant | Phlosten: Unfortunately the two domains are held by various people. The password that I have for one no longer works, and I never had a password for the other one. | 08:33 |
| head_victim | Phlosten & wgrant & others, thanks for fixing that. | 08:37 |
| Phlosten | wgrant, but you can fix from nameserver onwards? | 08:38 |
| wgrant | Phlosten: I have access to the nameservers, and Canonical controls everything down from there. | 08:40 |
| wgrant | Oh good, I still have Drupal admin access. | 08:41 |
| Phlosten | wgrant, ok cool, handy who to know who fixes what | 08:41 |
| wgrant | It would be nice if we could convince Canonical to do DNS for ubuntu.(com|org).au. | 08:42 |
| wgrant | I remember what happened now. | 08:42 |
| wgrant | DNS/websites/mail used to be hosted on a Canonical-provided ServerPronto server shared by a few LoCo teams. | 08:42 |
| wgrant | Then that got compromised, so they moved websites/mail to the DC. | 08:43 |
| wgrant | But not DNS. | 08:43 |
| wgrant | So I quickly threw DNS on UW and contacted the domain owners to redelegate. | 08:43 |
| Phlosten | I remember there being a move there somewhere | 08:44 |
| Fudge | ello guys | 08:53 |
| Phlosten | howdy Fudge | 08:56 |
| Fudge | ello | 08:58 |
| Fudge | got a 2tb drive today | 08:58 |
| Phlosten | internal drive, or external? | 08:58 |
| Fudge | normally id be pretty happy but its coz i broke my partition on another drive | 08:58 |
| Fudge | internal 3gb sata | 09:00 |
| Fudge | the 6gbs i noticed with 64cache too but wow theyd be fast | 09:00 |
| Fudge | i dont get how they claim a drive to be up to 3gb transfer when i copy stuff i only ever see like 25mbs | 09:00 |
| wgrant | SATA2 is 3Gbps. | 09:03 |
| wgrant | The bus can handle 3Gbps, but the physical drive is far, far slower. | 09:04 |
| Fudge | yes indeed | 09:04 |
| wgrant | You're probably seeing ~25MB/s, which is 200Mb/s. | 09:04 |
| blahdeblah | wgrant, Fudge: I would be very surprised to see any new internal drive SATA 3 Gbps drive offer less than 75 MB/s in bursts. | 09:10 |
| Fudge | oh ok mate, thanks for that | 09:11 |
| blahdeblah | Fudge: what does hdparm -tT /dev/sd? give as output? | 09:11 |
| wgrant | blahdeblah: WD Greens can be pretty slow. | 09:12 |
| wgrant | But yes, 25MB/s is still rather low. | 09:13 |
| blahdeblah | My nearly-2-year-old 500 GB SATA drives in my server (one of which i believe is a WD Green): http://ubuntu-au.pastebin.com/HnCZk6V5 | 09:13 |
| blahdeblah | (Server is running Debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64, Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU) | 09:14 |
| wgrant | Huh. | 09:14 |
| wgrant | Far better than I've ever got from mine. | 09:14 |
| blahdeblah | don't quote me - can't tell from the model number | 09:15 |
| wgrant | I get 75MB/s from my new 1TB Green. | 09:15 |
| wgrant | My older one is quite a bit less. | 09:15 |
| wgrant | Er, 2TB. | 09:18 |
| Phlosten | cool, still admin on the website "Member for 4 years 39 weeks" | 09:19 |
| Phlosten | has it really be that long? sheesh | 09:20 |
| wgrant | I remember making that theme... those were the days. | 09:21 |
| wgrant | Member for | 09:21 |
| wgrant | 4 years 44 weeks | 09:21 |
| Fudge | Timing cached reads: 3440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1720.45 MB/sec | 09:23 |
| Fudge | Timing buffered disk reads: 368 MB in 3.01 seconds = 122.27 MB/sec | 09:23 |
| Fudge | which one do u go by? | 09:23 |
| Fudge | i have the 1.5tb results too if you wish me to paste | 09:24 |
| wgrant | The latter. | 09:24 |
| Phlosten | getting 68MB/sec on this laptop, not bad | 09:25 |
| Fudge | 96.03 | 09:29 |
| Fudge | indeed | 09:39 |
| quail | nisshh or any web site admin, can you delete my account on ubuntu.org.au please | 11:33 |
| ikt | :( | 11:37 |
| ikt | speaking of the website, is wordpress viable or do we have to stick to drupal? | 11:40 |
| head_victim | I believe drupal is the ubuntu preferred option. | 11:41 |
| ikt | i have no idea why people like it | 11:42 |
| ikt | it always looked quite eh compared to wordpress cms | 11:42 |
| head_victim | The theme itself needs an update, I believe some people are looking into the viability of this. | 11:43 |
| ikt | I was looking around at other ubuntu loco team website | 11:45 |
| ikt | s | 11:45 |
| ikt | honestly it's very barren, ours doesn't stand out in that regard | 11:45 |
| head_victim | Feel free to help out :D I don't know the entire process but I think there's set plugins you can install or something. I'm not really a website kinda person if you couldn't tell so I'm not sure of all the details. But if you're wanting to help........... | 11:47 |
| ikt | I'm probably not the guy, they don't like change | 11:51 |
| ikt | I would start mucking around, making the website more pointed? | 11:52 |
| quail | you can help out first removing my account ;-) | 11:52 |
| quail | not allowing users the option to delete there account is not good | 11:53 |
| ikt | :D | 11:57 |
| ikt | I'll go hack the gibson :P | 11:58 |
| quail | hacking the gibson might be faster than to getting my account deleted. lol | 11:59 |
| head_victim | ikt: more pointed with content or layout or? | 12:00 |
| ikt | layout | 12:00 |
| ikt | the only content issue is that we need more of it :P | 12:01 |
| head_victim | Yeah that's ok, just making sure I'm understanding :) | 12:01 |
| head_victim | quail: will look into the deletion thing for you | 12:03 |
| quail | head_victim: thanks | 12:03 |
| head_victim | I think the layout thing the first thing we should look at is the upgrade to the new branded theme | 12:03 |
| quail | I think vk7 want to delete his account too | 12:04 |
| head_victim | Because that will bring it from the old branding to the new and integrate better | 12:04 |
| quail | head_victim: my account is 'Quail' | 12:06 |
| head_victim | No worries, I make no promises as website stuff is very new to me but I'll make sure it does get looked at | 12:06 |
| head_victim | Wiki's I can help you with :) Websites, I'm not so sure | 12:07 |
| ikt | especially I assume with the database on canonicals servers | 12:11 |
| ikt | they're not just gonna let you walk in on there | 12:11 |
| head_victim | ikt: yeah, I'm slowly starting to understand what is what. | 12:12 |
| ikt | i take it quail is now fully interested in debian? | 13:24 |
| dns53 | he always was | 13:34 |
| dns53 | but we don't care as debian is upstream | 13:34 |
| cafuego | The wd green needs 1) a firmware for under Linux and 2) proper boundary alignment on fdisk and mkfs, otherwise they'll be awful slow. | 23:27 |
| nisshh | cafuego, hah, lucky i got a WD black then L( | 23:30 |
| nisshh | :) | 23:31 |
| cafuego | heh - i get the greens usually. low power use = less heat | 23:32 |
| cafuego | I just fix 'em before I use 'em :-) | 23:32 |
| cafuego | need to go and get one, a disk in mythtv has died whilst I was at LCA | 23:33 |
| nisshh | cafuego, if its an internal your getting i highly recommend getting a WD caviar black, i get excellent read/write speeds on mine (for a non-SSD anyway) | 23:35 |
| nisshh | and it doesnt use a lot of power either | 23:35 |
| nisshh | i have so much running off this one 220w PSU its rediculous | 23:35 |
| cafuego | nisshh: meh, the other 5 greens I have *really* work just fine and aren't slow :-) | 23:36 |
| nisshh | cafuego, what kind of read/write speeds do you get though? | 23:36 |
| nisshh | cafuego, the other thing is, i find that the blacks are cheaper than the greens to buy | 23:36 |
| cafuego | nisshh: Not so much here, a giant $6 difference | 23:38 |
| nisshh | cafuego, ah right, over here its more like $35 | 23:38 |
| nisshh | although greens still arent that expensive | 23:39 |
| cafuego | Just under $110 here | 23:39 |
| nisshh | yeah | 23:39 |
| nisshh | blacks are $95 here, greens are $35 more | 23:39 |
| cafuego | both they and the black would be limited by the IO speed my mobos (old!) can manage for sata. | 23:39 |
| nisshh | ah right | 23:39 |
| nisshh | i have a somewhat decent mobo for an old comp | 23:40 |
| nisshh | it had the best sata you could get back in 2004 | 23:40 |
| nisshh | has* | 23:40 |
| cafuego | my desktop's a shocker | 23:40 |
| cafuego | transferring from usb to a network device just locks it for ages whilst copying | 23:40 |
| cafuego | I get a sustained write speed of around 35MB/sec on here | 23:41 |
| nisshh | heh, yeah, transferring from an internal IDE to a USB SATA or normal USB stick is slow as hell with mine | 23:41 |
| cafuego | read, as determined by hdparm,. is in the vicinity of 95MB/s | 23:41 |
| nisshh | thats not bad | 23:41 |
| nisshh | i can sustain about 48MB/s here | 23:42 |
| nisshh | hdparm for me says | 23:42 |
| cafuego | nisshh: especially not bad compared to the 12 I used to get on the sw raid5 that was composed of 9×80G pata disks :-) | 23:42 |
| nisshh | heh | 23:42 |
| nisshh | IDE/PATA is slow :) | 23:43 |
| cafuego | raid5 is slower | 23:43 |
| cafuego | combine the both and you have woes | 23:43 |
| nisshh | yeah | 23:43 |
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