[00:00] <blahdeblah> head_v, head_victim: You around?
[00:03] <blahdeblah> cafuego: Still never got to meet you in person at LCA - will you be around today?
[00:04] <dns53> i'm heading off now, probably be there in an hour or two
[00:07] <head_v> Yes at the ubuntu stand now
[00:17] <blahdeblah> head_v: My family has a couple of other plans for me today, but we will be there at some point.  Sorry i can't be more specific than that.
[00:17] <blahdeblah> head_v: Anything particular you need help with?
[00:21] <ikt> head!
[00:21] <ikt> got live stream?
[00:55] <head_v> No live feed here paul just whenever you can is find
[01:29] <blahdeblah> Does anyone know what the tool is to reset your GNOME panel and menus to the defaults, but not lose any of your application preferences?
[04:21] <sagaci> Hey
[04:22] <dns53> hey
[04:33] <ikt> :<
[04:35] <dns53> what are you up to?
[04:35] <dns53> i'm at the linux.conf.au open day with a few of the regulars
[04:50] <ikt> I'm sitting at home
[04:50] <ikt> bored and confused
[04:50] <ikt> bored and distracted!
[04:51] <ikt> I has add, I move from 1 topic to the next every like 10 minutes and then the day is over :/
[05:00] <ikt> hey head_v how r u?
[05:00]  * dns53 pokes head_v
[05:20] <orly_go> What command will securely erase an entire directory?
[05:22] <nisshh> orly_go, to erase an entire directory use: rm -r
[05:22] <nisshh> sorry: rm -r dir_name
[05:22] <orly_go> securely
[05:22] <nisshh> rm doesnt do what shred does
[05:22] <nisshh> but shred doesnt work on dirs
[05:22] <nisshh> only files
[05:23] <orly_go> I know.
[05:23] <nisshh> if you shred the files inside a dir
[05:23] <nisshh> then delete the dir, there will be no data
[05:23] <nisshh> so use shred on the files
[05:23] <nisshh> then cd out a level
[05:23] <nisshh> and use rm -r
[05:23] <nisshh> or just rmdir
[05:24] <nisshh> rm -r i use when removing a non-empty dir
[05:24] <nisshh> otherwise i use rmdir
[05:24] <nisshh> orly_go, why do you want to do it "securely" anyway?
[05:25] <orly_go> for privacy reasons?
[05:25] <nisshh> so your not the only one with access to the drive?
[05:25] <orly_go> yup
[05:25] <nisshh> ok, but most users wont have a clue how to bring back deleted files
[05:26] <nisshh> so you shouldnt have to worry
[05:26] <orly_go> true
[05:26] <orly_go> i think ill use a live cd from now on anyay
[05:26] <orly_go> anyway
[05:26] <nisshh> in my experience, drives shouldnt be shared anyway
[05:26] <nisshh> massive security issue
[05:27] <nisshh> yes, anyway
[05:27] <nisshh> you could either use shred, or just use decent drive encryption
[05:27] <nisshh> orly_go, ^^
[05:28] <orly_go> indeed
[05:28] <orly_go> just semi-surprised that there is no command to erase a dir
[05:29] <nisshh> not true
[05:29] <nisshh> its possible to delete dirs
[05:29] <nisshh> but not use shred on them
[05:29] <nisshh> shred is purely for files, although there is not much value in a bunch of empty dirs being recovered anyway
[05:29] <orly_go> *secure erase a dir
[05:29] <orly_go> mhm
[05:29] <nisshh> so there is really no need to have a shred for dirs
[05:30] <orly_go> unless the dir has files in it
[05:30] <nisshh> so shred the files in the dir
[05:30] <orly_go> k
[05:31] <nisshh> im pretty sure even shred is not a surefire way to "securely" remove data
[05:31] <nisshh> scientists would be able to get it back probably
[05:31] <orly_go> we can always see if it blends
[05:31] <nisshh> like they do with laptops with bullet holes in them :)
[05:31] <nisshh> blends?
[05:32] <nisshh> orly_go, blends?
[05:33] <orly_go> Will It Blend? is a viral marketing campaign consisting of a series of infomercials demonstrating the Blendtec line of blenders,  https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Will_It_Blend%3F
[05:33] <nisshh> uh, ok
[07:36] <head_victim> Home at last
[07:38] <blahdeblah> head_victim: \o/
[07:38] <blahdeblah> Me too
[07:39] <blahdeblah> Just got back from taking a load of computers in for the flood relief folks
[07:39] <head_victim> Yay. It was very goo to see that we had the Ubuntu Release manager and one of the heads of the kernel dev team at our stand!
[07:39] <head_victim> It's a bit fanboy-ish but I still think that was pretty great
[07:40] <blahdeblah> Indeed!
[07:40] <dns-xo> they are just people, and in open source they will help you out if they can
[07:41] <head_victim> I know they're just people but I'm sure they were still on their own time
[07:57] <blahdeblah> What's up with http://www.ubuntu.org.au/ ?  Can anyone else get to it?
[07:57] <blahdeblah> I get DNS server errors.
[08:00] <Phlosten> still borked for me too
[08:04] <Phlosten> head_victim, just to confirm something for you, Linux Australia is registrant for ubuntu.org.au, Solutions First is the registrant for ubuntu.com.au
[08:06] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, it looks to me that ubuntu.org.au and ubuntu.com.au have been dropped from the delegated nameservers
[08:06] <blahdeblah> Phlosten: perhaps it expired
[08:07] <blahdeblah> Unfortunate day for it - when we finally got to hand out lots of cards with the address.
[08:09] <Phlosten> anyone know who is the loco contact at ubuntuwire.com?
[08:10] <Phlosten> looks like there is an #ubuntuwire channel
[08:22] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, its back, thanks to wgrant 
[08:22] <blahdeblah> thanks wgrant
[08:22] <blahdeblah> what happened?
[08:22] <Phlosten> bind had died
[08:23] <blahdeblah> :-\
[08:24] <wgrant> I don't recall why we switched to those nameservers. I recall that Canonical stopped serving them randomly, though :/
[08:26] <wgrant> Stopped serving the two domains, that is.
[08:33] <wgrant> Phlosten: Unfortunately the two domains are held by various people. The password that I have for one no longer works, and I never had a password for the other one.
[08:37] <head_victim> Phlosten & wgrant & others, thanks for fixing that.
[08:38] <Phlosten> wgrant, but you can fix from nameserver onwards?
[08:40] <wgrant> Phlosten: I have access to the nameservers, and Canonical controls everything down from there.
[08:41] <wgrant> Oh good, I still have Drupal admin access.
[08:41] <Phlosten> wgrant, ok cool, handy who to know who fixes what
[08:42] <wgrant> It would be nice if we could convince Canonical to do DNS for ubuntu.(com|org).au.
[08:42] <wgrant> I remember what happened now.
[08:42] <wgrant> DNS/websites/mail used to be hosted on a Canonical-provided ServerPronto server shared by a few LoCo teams.
[08:43] <wgrant> Then that got compromised, so they moved websites/mail to the DC.
[08:43] <wgrant> But not DNS.
[08:43] <wgrant> So I quickly threw DNS on UW and contacted the domain owners to redelegate.
[08:44] <Phlosten> I remember there being a move there somewhere
[08:53] <Fudge> ello guys
[08:56] <Phlosten> howdy Fudge 
[08:58] <Fudge> ello 
[08:58] <Fudge> got a 2tb drive today
[08:58] <Phlosten> internal drive, or external?
[08:58] <Fudge> normally id be pretty happy but its coz i broke my partition on another drive
[09:00] <Fudge> internal 3gb sata
[09:00] <Fudge> the 6gbs i noticed with 64cache too but wow theyd be fast
[09:00] <Fudge> i dont get how they claim a drive to be up to 3gb transfer when i copy stuff i only ever see like 25mbs
[09:03] <wgrant> SATA2 is 3Gbps.
[09:04] <wgrant> The bus can handle 3Gbps, but the physical drive is far, far slower.
[09:04] <Fudge> yes indeed
[09:04] <wgrant> You're probably seeing ~25MB/s, which is 200Mb/s.
[09:10] <blahdeblah> wgrant, Fudge: I would be very surprised to see any new internal drive SATA 3 Gbps drive offer less than 75 MB/s in bursts.
[09:11] <Fudge> oh ok mate, thanks for that
[09:11] <blahdeblah> Fudge: what does hdparm -tT /dev/sd? give as output?
[09:12] <wgrant> blahdeblah: WD Greens can be pretty slow.
[09:13] <wgrant> But yes, 25MB/s is still rather low.
[09:13] <blahdeblah> My nearly-2-year-old 500 GB SATA drives in my server (one of which i believe is a WD Green): http://ubuntu-au.pastebin.com/HnCZk6V5
[09:14] <blahdeblah> (Server is running Debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64, Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU)
[09:14] <wgrant> Huh.
[09:14] <wgrant> Far better than I've ever got from mine.
[09:15] <blahdeblah> don't quote me - can't tell from the model number
[09:15] <wgrant> I get 75MB/s from my new 1TB Green.
[09:15] <wgrant> My older one is quite a bit less.
[09:18] <wgrant> Er, 2TB.
[09:19] <Phlosten> cool, still admin on the website "Member for 4 years 39 weeks"
[09:20] <Phlosten> has it really be that long? sheesh
[09:21] <wgrant> I remember making that theme... those were the days.
[09:21] <wgrant> Member for
[09:21] <wgrant> 4 years 44 weeks
[09:23] <Fudge>  Timing cached reads:   3440 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1720.45 MB/sec
[09:23] <Fudge>  Timing buffered disk reads:  368 MB in  3.01 seconds = 122.27 MB/sec
[09:23] <Fudge> which one do u go by?
[09:24] <Fudge> i have the 1.5tb results too if you wish me to paste
[09:24] <wgrant> The latter.
[09:25] <Phlosten> getting 68MB/sec on this laptop, not bad
[09:29] <Fudge> 96.03
[09:39] <Fudge> indeed
[11:33] <quail> nisshh or any web site admin, can you delete my account on ubuntu.org.au please
[11:37] <ikt> :(
[11:40] <ikt> speaking of the website, is wordpress viable or do we have to stick to drupal?
[11:41] <head_victim> I believe drupal is the ubuntu preferred option. 
[11:42] <ikt> i have no idea why people like it
[11:42] <ikt> it always looked quite eh compared to wordpress cms
[11:43] <head_victim> The theme itself needs an update, I believe some people are looking into the viability of this.
[11:45] <ikt> I was looking around at other ubuntu loco team website
[11:45] <ikt> s
[11:45] <ikt> honestly it's very barren, ours doesn't stand out in that regard
[11:47] <head_victim> Feel free to help out :D I don't know the entire process but I think there's set plugins you can install or something. I'm not really a website kinda person if you couldn't tell so I'm not sure of all the details. But if you're wanting to help...........
[11:51] <ikt> I'm probably not the guy, they don't like change
[11:52] <ikt> I would start mucking around, making the website more pointed?
[11:52] <quail> you can help out first removing my account ;-)
[11:53] <quail> not allowing users the option to delete there account is not good
[11:57] <ikt> :D
[11:58] <ikt> I'll go hack the gibson :P
[11:59] <quail> hacking the gibson might be faster than to getting my account deleted. lol
[12:00] <head_victim> ikt: more pointed with content or layout or?
[12:00] <ikt> layout
[12:01] <ikt> the only content issue is that we need more of it :P
[12:01] <head_victim> Yeah that's ok, just making sure I'm understanding :)
[12:03] <head_victim> quail: will look into the deletion thing for you
[12:03] <quail> head_victim: thanks
[12:03] <head_victim> I think the layout thing the first thing we should look at is the upgrade to the new branded theme
[12:04] <quail> I think vk7 want to delete his account too
[12:04] <head_victim> Because that will bring it from the old branding to the new and integrate better
[12:06] <quail> head_victim: my account is 'Quail'
[12:06] <head_victim> No worries, I make no promises as website stuff is very new to me but I'll make sure it does get looked at 
[12:07] <head_victim> Wiki's I can help you with :) Websites, I'm not so sure 
[12:11] <ikt> especially I assume with the database on canonicals servers
[12:11] <ikt> they're not just gonna let you walk in on there
[12:12] <head_victim> ikt: yeah, I'm slowly starting to understand what is what. 
[13:24] <ikt> i take it quail is now fully interested in debian?
[13:34] <dns53> he always was
[13:34] <dns53> but we don't care as debian is upstream
[23:27] <cafuego> The wd green needs 1) a firmware for under Linux and 2) proper boundary alignment on fdisk and mkfs, otherwise they'll be awful slow.
[23:30] <nisshh> cafuego, hah, lucky i got a WD black then L(
[23:31] <nisshh> :)
[23:32] <cafuego> heh - i get the greens usually. low power use = less heat
[23:32] <cafuego> I just fix 'em before I use 'em :-)
[23:33] <cafuego> need to go and get one, a disk in mythtv has died whilst I was at LCA
[23:35] <nisshh> cafuego, if its an internal your getting i highly recommend getting a WD caviar black, i get excellent read/write speeds on mine (for a non-SSD anyway)
[23:35] <nisshh> and it doesnt use a lot of power either
[23:35] <nisshh> i have so much running off this one 220w PSU its rediculous
[23:36] <cafuego> nisshh: meh, the other 5 greens I have *really* work just fine and aren't slow :-)
[23:36] <nisshh> cafuego, what kind of read/write speeds do you get though?
[23:36] <nisshh> cafuego, the other thing is, i find that the blacks are cheaper than the greens to buy
[23:38] <cafuego> nisshh: Not so much here, a giant $6 difference
[23:38] <nisshh> cafuego, ah right, over here its more like $35
[23:39] <nisshh> although greens still arent that expensive
[23:39] <cafuego> Just under $110 here
[23:39] <nisshh> yeah
[23:39] <nisshh> blacks are $95 here, greens are $35 more
[23:39] <cafuego> both they and the black would be limited by the IO speed my mobos (old!) can manage for sata.
[23:39] <nisshh> ah right
[23:40] <nisshh> i have a somewhat decent mobo for an old comp
[23:40] <nisshh> it had the best sata you could get back in 2004
[23:40] <nisshh> has*
[23:40] <cafuego> my desktop's a shocker
[23:40] <cafuego> transferring from usb to a network device just locks it for ages whilst copying
[23:41] <cafuego> I get a sustained write speed of around 35MB/sec on here
[23:41] <nisshh> heh, yeah, transferring from an internal IDE to a USB SATA or normal USB stick is slow as hell with mine
[23:41] <cafuego> read, as determined by hdparm,. is in the vicinity of 95MB/s
[23:41] <nisshh> thats not bad
[23:42] <nisshh> i can sustain about 48MB/s here
[23:42] <nisshh> hdparm for me says
[23:42] <cafuego> nisshh: especially not bad compared to the 12 I used to get on the sw raid5 that was composed of 9×80G pata disks :-)
[23:42] <nisshh> heh
[23:43] <nisshh> IDE/PATA is slow :)
[23:43] <cafuego> raid5 is slower
[23:43] <cafuego> combine the both and you have woes
[23:43] <nisshh> yeah