=== paul-L101-usher is now known as blahdeblah [00:00] head_v, head_victim: You around? [00:03] cafuego: Still never got to meet you in person at LCA - will you be around today? [00:04] i'm heading off now, probably be there in an hour or two [00:07] Yes at the ubuntu stand now [00:17] head_v: My family has a couple of other plans for me today, but we will be there at some point. Sorry i can't be more specific than that. [00:17] head_v: Anything particular you need help with? [00:21] head! [00:21] got live stream? [00:55] No live feed here paul just whenever you can is find [01:29] Does anyone know what the tool is to reset your GNOME panel and menus to the defaults, but not lose any of your application preferences? [04:21] Hey [04:22] hey [04:33] :< [04:35] what are you up to? [04:35] i'm at the linux.conf.au open day with a few of the regulars [04:50] I'm sitting at home [04:50] bored and confused [04:50] bored and distracted! [04:51] I has add, I move from 1 topic to the next every like 10 minutes and then the day is over :/ [05:00] hey head_v how r u? [05:00] * dns53 pokes head_v [05:20] What command will securely erase an entire directory? [05:22] orly_go, to erase an entire directory use: rm -r [05:22] sorry: rm -r dir_name [05:22] securely [05:22] rm doesnt do what shred does [05:22] but shred doesnt work on dirs [05:22] only files [05:23] I know. [05:23] if you shred the files inside a dir [05:23] then delete the dir, there will be no data [05:23] so use shred on the files [05:23] then cd out a level [05:23] and use rm -r [05:23] or just rmdir [05:24] rm -r i use when removing a non-empty dir [05:24] otherwise i use rmdir [05:24] orly_go, why do you want to do it "securely" anyway? [05:25] for privacy reasons? [05:25] so your not the only one with access to the drive? [05:25] yup [05:25] ok, but most users wont have a clue how to bring back deleted files [05:26] so you shouldnt have to worry [05:26] true [05:26] i think ill use a live cd from now on anyay [05:26] anyway [05:26] in my experience, drives shouldnt be shared anyway [05:26] massive security issue [05:27] yes, anyway [05:27] you could either use shred, or just use decent drive encryption [05:27] orly_go, ^^ [05:28] indeed [05:28] just semi-surprised that there is no command to erase a dir [05:29] not true [05:29] its possible to delete dirs [05:29] but not use shred on them [05:29] shred is purely for files, although there is not much value in a bunch of empty dirs being recovered anyway [05:29] *secure erase a dir [05:29] mhm [05:29] so there is really no need to have a shred for dirs [05:30] unless the dir has files in it [05:30] so shred the files in the dir [05:30] k [05:31] im pretty sure even shred is not a surefire way to "securely" remove data [05:31] scientists would be able to get it back probably [05:31] we can always see if it blends [05:31] like they do with laptops with bullet holes in them :) [05:31] blends? [05:32] orly_go, blends? [05:33] Will It Blend? is a viral marketing campaign consisting of a series of infomercials demonstrating the Blendtec line of blenders, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Will_It_Blend%3F [05:33] uh, ok [07:36] Home at last [07:38] head_victim: \o/ [07:38] Me too [07:39] Just got back from taking a load of computers in for the flood relief folks [07:39] Yay. It was very goo to see that we had the Ubuntu Release manager and one of the heads of the kernel dev team at our stand! [07:39] It's a bit fanboy-ish but I still think that was pretty great [07:40] Indeed! [07:40] they are just people, and in open source they will help you out if they can [07:41] I know they're just people but I'm sure they were still on their own time [07:57] What's up with http://www.ubuntu.org.au/ ? Can anyone else get to it? [07:57] I get DNS server errors. [08:00] still borked for me too [08:04] head_victim, just to confirm something for you, Linux Australia is registrant for ubuntu.org.au, Solutions First is the registrant for ubuntu.com.au [08:06] blahdeblah, it looks to me that ubuntu.org.au and ubuntu.com.au have been dropped from the delegated nameservers [08:06] Phlosten: perhaps it expired [08:07] Unfortunate day for it - when we finally got to hand out lots of cards with the address. [08:09] anyone know who is the loco contact at ubuntuwire.com? [08:10] looks like there is an #ubuntuwire channel === yama` is now known as yama [08:22] blahdeblah, its back, thanks to wgrant [08:22] thanks wgrant [08:22] what happened? [08:22] bind had died [08:23] :-\ [08:24] I don't recall why we switched to those nameservers. I recall that Canonical stopped serving them randomly, though :/ [08:26] Stopped serving the two domains, that is. [08:33] Phlosten: Unfortunately the two domains are held by various people. The password that I have for one no longer works, and I never had a password for the other one. [08:37] Phlosten & wgrant & others, thanks for fixing that. [08:38] wgrant, but you can fix from nameserver onwards? [08:40] Phlosten: I have access to the nameservers, and Canonical controls everything down from there. [08:41] Oh good, I still have Drupal admin access. [08:41] wgrant, ok cool, handy who to know who fixes what [08:42] It would be nice if we could convince Canonical to do DNS for ubuntu.(com|org).au. [08:42] I remember what happened now. [08:42] DNS/websites/mail used to be hosted on a Canonical-provided ServerPronto server shared by a few LoCo teams. [08:43] Then that got compromised, so they moved websites/mail to the DC. [08:43] But not DNS. [08:43] So I quickly threw DNS on UW and contacted the domain owners to redelegate. [08:44] I remember there being a move there somewhere [08:53] ello guys [08:56] howdy Fudge [08:58] ello [08:58] got a 2tb drive today [08:58] internal drive, or external? [08:58] normally id be pretty happy but its coz i broke my partition on another drive [09:00] internal 3gb sata [09:00] the 6gbs i noticed with 64cache too but wow theyd be fast [09:00] i dont get how they claim a drive to be up to 3gb transfer when i copy stuff i only ever see like 25mbs [09:03] SATA2 is 3Gbps. [09:04] The bus can handle 3Gbps, but the physical drive is far, far slower. [09:04] yes indeed [09:04] You're probably seeing ~25MB/s, which is 200Mb/s. [09:10] wgrant, Fudge: I would be very surprised to see any new internal drive SATA 3 Gbps drive offer less than 75 MB/s in bursts. [09:11] oh ok mate, thanks for that [09:11] Fudge: what does hdparm -tT /dev/sd? give as output? [09:12] blahdeblah: WD Greens can be pretty slow. [09:13] But yes, 25MB/s is still rather low. [09:13] My nearly-2-year-old 500 GB SATA drives in my server (one of which i believe is a WD Green): http://ubuntu-au.pastebin.com/HnCZk6V5 [09:14] (Server is running Debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64, Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU) [09:14] Huh. [09:14] Far better than I've ever got from mine. [09:15] don't quote me - can't tell from the model number [09:15] I get 75MB/s from my new 1TB Green. [09:15] My older one is quite a bit less. [09:18] Er, 2TB. [09:19] cool, still admin on the website "Member for 4 years 39 weeks" [09:20] has it really be that long? sheesh [09:21] I remember making that theme... those were the days. [09:21] Member for [09:21] 4 years 44 weeks [09:23] Timing cached reads: 3440 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1720.45 MB/sec [09:23] Timing buffered disk reads: 368 MB in 3.01 seconds = 122.27 MB/sec [09:23] which one do u go by? [09:24] i have the 1.5tb results too if you wish me to paste [09:24] The latter. [09:25] getting 68MB/sec on this laptop, not bad [09:29] 96.03 [09:39] indeed [11:33] nisshh or any web site admin, can you delete my account on ubuntu.org.au please [11:37] :( [11:40] speaking of the website, is wordpress viable or do we have to stick to drupal? [11:41] I believe drupal is the ubuntu preferred option. [11:42] i have no idea why people like it [11:42] it always looked quite eh compared to wordpress cms [11:43] The theme itself needs an update, I believe some people are looking into the viability of this. [11:45] I was looking around at other ubuntu loco team website [11:45] s [11:45] honestly it's very barren, ours doesn't stand out in that regard [11:47] Feel free to help out :D I don't know the entire process but I think there's set plugins you can install or something. I'm not really a website kinda person if you couldn't tell so I'm not sure of all the details. But if you're wanting to help........... [11:51] I'm probably not the guy, they don't like change [11:52] I would start mucking around, making the website more pointed? [11:52] you can help out first removing my account ;-) [11:53] not allowing users the option to delete there account is not good [11:57] :D [11:58] I'll go hack the gibson :P [11:59] hacking the gibson might be faster than to getting my account deleted. lol [12:00] ikt: more pointed with content or layout or? [12:00] layout [12:01] the only content issue is that we need more of it :P [12:01] Yeah that's ok, just making sure I'm understanding :) [12:03] quail: will look into the deletion thing for you [12:03] head_victim: thanks [12:03] I think the layout thing the first thing we should look at is the upgrade to the new branded theme [12:04] I think vk7 want to delete his account too [12:04] Because that will bring it from the old branding to the new and integrate better [12:06] head_victim: my account is 'Quail' [12:06] No worries, I make no promises as website stuff is very new to me but I'll make sure it does get looked at [12:07] Wiki's I can help you with :) Websites, I'm not so sure [12:11] especially I assume with the database on canonicals servers [12:11] they're not just gonna let you walk in on there [12:12] ikt: yeah, I'm slowly starting to understand what is what. [13:24] i take it quail is now fully interested in debian? [13:34] he always was [13:34] but we don't care as debian is upstream [23:27] The wd green needs 1) a firmware for under Linux and 2) proper boundary alignment on fdisk and mkfs, otherwise they'll be awful slow. [23:30] cafuego, hah, lucky i got a WD black then L( [23:31] :) [23:32] heh - i get the greens usually. low power use = less heat [23:32] I just fix 'em before I use 'em :-) [23:33] need to go and get one, a disk in mythtv has died whilst I was at LCA [23:35] cafuego, if its an internal your getting i highly recommend getting a WD caviar black, i get excellent read/write speeds on mine (for a non-SSD anyway) [23:35] and it doesnt use a lot of power either [23:35] i have so much running off this one 220w PSU its rediculous [23:36] nisshh: meh, the other 5 greens I have *really* work just fine and aren't slow :-) [23:36] cafuego, what kind of read/write speeds do you get though? [23:36] cafuego, the other thing is, i find that the blacks are cheaper than the greens to buy [23:38] nisshh: Not so much here, a giant $6 difference [23:38] cafuego, ah right, over here its more like $35 [23:39] although greens still arent that expensive [23:39] Just under $110 here [23:39] yeah [23:39] blacks are $95 here, greens are $35 more [23:39] both they and the black would be limited by the IO speed my mobos (old!) can manage for sata. [23:39] ah right [23:40] i have a somewhat decent mobo for an old comp [23:40] it had the best sata you could get back in 2004 [23:40] has* [23:40] my desktop's a shocker [23:40] transferring from usb to a network device just locks it for ages whilst copying [23:41] I get a sustained write speed of around 35MB/sec on here [23:41] heh, yeah, transferring from an internal IDE to a USB SATA or normal USB stick is slow as hell with mine [23:41] read, as determined by hdparm,. is in the vicinity of 95MB/s [23:41] thats not bad [23:42] i can sustain about 48MB/s here [23:42] hdparm for me says [23:42] nisshh: especially not bad compared to the 12 I used to get on the sw raid5 that was composed of 9×80G pata disks :-) [23:42] heh [23:43] IDE/PATA is slow :) [23:43] raid5 is slower [23:43] combine the both and you have woes [23:43] yeah